A short position seems like an excellent hedge against the coming recession that Treasury Secretary Lutnick says we should "absolutely not" be preparing for.
We had our local tesla dealership damaged and swastika signs put on the windows. There have been protests there on Saturdays.
I don't condone the vandalism but agree with the protest. Elon is not an elected official and needs to butt out of OUR GOVERNMENT!!!
I hope it doesn't get to that, but I defended Democracy for Vietnam and sure as HELL will do it here in the United States of America. I want the same FREEDOM for my grandchildren I grew up with.
Most of the vets I know are extremely pissed that they are trying to eliminate benefits we all earned by serving our country. We have a
fantastic VA health care facility in N Colorado that provides great care.
We all care about our FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. I won't want to hear about the republic BS.
I'm pissed at the faithlessness and dishonoring of vet's service...the systematic destruction of principles on which the country is founded. There is great honor in vets Resistance to this ongoing disaster. It's a model of right action.
Americans really do not see its culture war even if you try and have class war. The cancer is attached to all systems. Everything is linked. Thats why they (oligarchs) are so emboldened. They know the corruption is absolute. You attack them you attack yourself and people in bad situations too.
I'm close to retirement age, and moved 80% of my IRA account to CDs in November, also moved my 401k to a stable value fund. Did the same for my wife's account.
That’s long been the advice, but in an age where bonds trend in step with equity, not true anymore. A higher proportion of *defensive* stocks paying dividends is a better bet.
In 2008 and in 2022 bonds lost value in step with stocks. The assumption that bonds are low risk may now be invalid, especially now with US Treasuries quite possibly being under threat.
Vbtlx was pretty flat during the financial crisis, especially compared to stocks. Extremely low fed rate made things weird in the 2010s and the rates going back up in 2022 hit bonds hard. Changing a simple investment strategy away from bonds due to all that is trying to time the market though.
A key principle of investing is diversification: if you pick one stock to throw all your money at and it sinks, well sucks to be you but it was your own fault.
My sympathy for you and your brother's family, but your brother did this to himself alas.
I know … just making sure we have all the data .. like the percentage drop of sales in Europe .. the percentages are great the actual numbers are rounding errors … let’s get those percentages working in the USA
Not quite. Companies often do that in the form of buy backs. That reduces the available trading pool and increases the cost. But, at the moment, there are a lot of legal controls in place for how that can be done. Has the major stockholder, he would have to announce that he was going to do that.
And keep in mind that he doesn't actually have the money to do that. Just because he's the "richest" person on Earth, doesn't mean it's liquid assets. It's all stock. He doesn't actually have hundreds of billions of dollars in a savings account somewhere.
Don't just watch Tesla stock. Tell your reps in DC what you think. Resist. It only takes few minutes and it doesn't cost any money. We don't need money in politics. We just need people participate. https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
I was watching Tesla stock through the end of January and into Feb. It didn't move near as much as I had hoped then. But yes, it's nice to see it falling finally.
It saddens me to think the Nazi salute didn't hurt the stock at all.
Imagine Kamala is the president and those 3 billionaires paid $210 billion taxes
For them would be the same
No Medicaid cut, no social security cut, no education cut, no veterans cut, no any cut
And stock market would be still go up
Just imagine
You’ll probably find that Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg and Trump shorted the market before he tanked the price and will make a killing when they cover their positions.
It’s called manipulation, insider trading and illegal.
Sorry to put a downer on the optimistic hope that they might be suffering a bit.
Bezos might have. Of the three you named, only he has any lick of actual competence when it comes to business without committing fraud or failing upward repeatedly.
Donnie Dipshit and Apartheid Clyde the Emerald Mein Herr couldn't make money selling water to travelers through Death Valley.
I know I checked it out, and it was down to 225.00 a share, and I got a happiness rush that I haven't felt since I thought for sure Harris was going to win. It felt good, just like I knew it would. Sorry, at my age, you talk in songs.
I had to look the word up, and you're absolutely right . I got a whole shit load of Schadenfreude off of Tesla stock dropping like a rock. Beautiful!!! Thank you for the new word. I love it
I think what musk has been doing with doge is appalling. What is this our best comeback? Do you and I really feel responsible for this stock slump? Or are we just admiring Karma over this?
Trump should resign and take his economic crew with him. If Trump is trying to lower the deficit it's all in vain. Lowering the deficit should have started 30 yrs ago. I believe Rump is trying to put us into bankruptcy. Something he really enjoys doing!
While it's true that significant transformation at the Federal level must happen, do it with discipline over time. Not whatever the fuck this is.
Just... set the growth rate of government to perhaps half the growth rate of the economy. Would only take a few years for debt-GDP to become reasonable.
Actually, what it would take is reducing the rate of growth of the national debt to about half the rate of growth of GDP. And the rate of growth of the debt is simply the annual deficit divided by the total debt at the start of the year.
The rate of growth of nominal GDP is currently about 5 percent. So we would need to reduce the deficit to about 2.5 percent of the national debt. The debt is about $36 trillion. Multiplying $36 trillion by 2.5 percent sets the upper limit on the deficit to $900 billion.
As of yesterday 42 stock analysts had Tesla at a average target price of $344. I had no idea that many graduates of Trump University had gone into stock analysis.
Bearish analysts would get stalked and harassed by fanboys for the past 5 years to the point that only bearish ones publish. Look up "Gordon Johnson" on YouTube and you'll see literally THOUSANDS of videos seething about him and encouraging fans to review bomb him.
Serious question from someone who admittedly knows little about the market: is this somehow engineered so that Elon or others can buy at rock bottom and make a ton of $?
Companies "buy back" Stock and make millions on their own Stocks! Insiders like Trump and Musk who know what He's going to do with Tariffs, etc... buy low and sell high!
The Stock Market is the Biggest Rigged Game in the World...
Well I don’t know whether scenarios like this are realistic. Or if they would be caught by the SEC before damage was done. But I listen to and learn from what others say. That’s where my little knowledge comes from.
I was joking (not poking fun) but serious too! The Stock Market is absolutely rigged, the SEC is a Joke because it knows the Market is rigged and can't do anything about it.
The Rules the SEC operates under make it a toothless Agency.
Some of us are wondering what magnificent (and definitely not rushed” press release or event will happen this week to try to provoke a rise.
Will it be mythical Roadster?
Will it be mythical Cybercab?
Will it be mythical New Small Tesla?
Place your bets, folks!!!
I based my number on the 2024 earnings of 0.66 a share. Multiply by 20, for a result of $13.2, but I took one more dollar off because of the weak sales going into 2025.
If they were a normal company I would have averaged it over the last five years, but they ain't normal.
Musk borrows against his stock for perosnal working capital. I wonder at what point a margin call is triggered and if they are going to start selling off some of his stock???
Unfortunately I don't see this as some great win against Elon. His net worth's down, but that's all imaginary anyways. He bought a position in government, and this is a price he was willing to pay.
I think he heavily leveraged his stock to make other purchases, like Twitter. The stock dropping is going to hurt him. Plus, it's not done going down. As long as the pressure keeps up, the awareness and toxicity builds. MAGAts love oil & gas - they were never going to buy Tesla either.
It won't be stopping anytime soon. And just wait until he puts the tariffs back on for 16 hours on April 2nd before he "saves the day" and takes them back off for ANOTHER 30 days.
Absolutely!! Don't forget Peter Thiele, a fellow Immigrant S. African working behind the scene with Muskrat & tRump.
Defund, Divest, Deport both of them.
You're right. Once Muskrat is dealt with, the rest will be dealt with as well and will be held accountable by consumers and the law. Their government contacts must be cancelled.
Perhaps. But it doesn't matter at this point. TESLA will soon be either acquired or go bankrupt. Ain't nobody buying that shite as long as the Neo-Nazi Apartheid-loving democracy-killing clown is meddling with it and other companies he owns.
Same!!! I called fidelity to inform them I didn't want them to hold TESLA in the smaller stock mgd acct I had (yes, you can open a stock mgd acct with $5000 at fidelity. I do so love my former employer). I'm a small fish I know. But I was soooo proud to be doing my part to crash that stock!!!!!!
I thought I was the only one lol. Tesla lost about 700 billion. Amazon 100 billion and target 10 billion. POWER TO THE LITTLE GUYS AND GALS!!! UNITED WE STAND!!!
Everybody is replying telling me their market cap is huge, but also everyone in this thread is saying they are massively overvalued. So which is it? You can’t simultaneously say “they’re the biggest because they have the biggest market cap” and “ their market cap is nonsensical/fake/etc”
Tesla was the 16th largest producer of cars in 2023 and is currently the 10th largest car company by revenue. Definitely not a little guy, but to your credit, also not at the top of the food chain
Their stock value is all about future prospect of the company like self driving software and other stuff. Not that I agree it should be worth that much because of it.
I'm not cheering on a recession. I'm cheering on the demise of a corrupt billionaire who has caused his own downfall. The recession is going to happen regardless. But seeing that someone like musk is going to take a massive hit makes it just a little easier to deal with the shitshow to come.
My dad bought a Tesla Model 3 when it came out, which was long before Elon outed himself as a Nazi. It was still a nice car though (not to mention super expensive), so he kept it despite coming to hate Musk as any sane person would. Recently he got one of those “F Elon” bumper stickers.
If you wanna get technical about it…
If he never uses tesla chargers and the car is paid for and he doesn’t pay for some subscription nonsense, there’s no more money going to musk.
But if he were to ever need to fix it, for whatever reason, and tesla parts are involved, then that’s money going.
Well I know he has a Tesla charger in his garage, but that was probably a one-time fee. I know he does use Tesla superchargers, but I think I remember him saying he gets it discounted (or even free, I don’t quite recall). And as far as I know he doesn’t pay for any Tesla-based subscriptions. (1/2)
When you consider the actions that Elon Musk takes with his companies consider what decisions, as the head of DOGE, he has been making. Then, look at what the side effects of Ketamine is doing to his brain.
Yes.. science does show that there is a positive health result from praying. The same results from any form of belief but the actual healing is happening within your own brain. When you pray, meditate etc. there's an increase in T-helper cells that help in healing. I don't deny it. I just deny relig
Yeah, I dunno. Seems like Space-X can blow itself up without outside assistance to take it down. Did see some kind of science article about taking down drones with microwave weapons today. Wondering about their reach. It's a scientific curiosity.
it's so funny checking it rn, cause so far today it's going up!... after a major dip from the past 5 days... after a massive dip from the last month... after a crazy dip in the past 6 months.... after a massively deep dip from the mountain it was a bit ago...
Trump is so out of the reality, he thinks he's going to help Elon by buying and promoting Tesla. He's just making it worse. I'm french, I know how European minds work. It's going to get worse.
It is. I alone can't bring down a company. I choose for myself only and because people from concentration camps were forced to work in their factories, as well as BMW & Mercedes, I wouldn't buy so much as a key chain with those brands on it. But that's me. None are free until all are.
Have to disagree. Perturbed as they may be about fluctuations in the markets, I don't think they actually care that much about money; oddly... because it means so little to them IRL. Is Elon worried about losing $30 billion in a day? Unlikely. There are other things these sociopaths "care" about.
It was obvious to everyone from the start, everyone that is except for the MAGAs who lost their retirement fund or their kid's college money. Stupidity is an expensive hobby.
… and probably the *least expensive*…! P.S.: I love your work. The two-parter on pinball machines scratched a mechanical engineering itch I didn’t know I had…!
Down about 30% this month. You never see straight lines on a stock chart but trends can be obvious. You should probably just hold and go down with the ship.
Like Icarus, DOGE boy musk just flew too close to the sun. Going to Tesla protests brought me out of despair, like so many others…thank you all everywhere, this isn’t over but musk is finally feeling the ramifications of his actions.
Freedom for one freedom for all. Government shutdown if only one have a ear. Meaning the Government don't hear the people. the followers not people the government need to hear. The people the government need to have a ear for are rejected #DEI not included.
They're gonna need to remove him from the board and force him to sell his shares to save the company. Then, rebrand. Maybe Rivian will buy them out if they oust the muskrat. 🤞
It's neat and all but it's just down to where it was pre-election so eh, also dude has his hands on the jewels now, does he care about his little car company?
There are some people on Youtube who had nearly their entire portfolios in TSLA as a "high conviction" stock. Incidentally, some made really cringey pro-Trump vids after the election. Oh, sweet Schadenfreude!
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Not the cars—I drive on the same roads.
But kinda wish more that NASA was doing it.
I don't condone the vandalism but agree with the protest. Elon is not an elected official and needs to butt out of OUR GOVERNMENT!!!
Appeasememt has never worked in human history.
fantastic VA health care facility in N Colorado that provides great care.
We all care about our FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. I won't want to hear about the republic BS.
2021 sales vs cap revenue vs cap
My sympathy for you and your brother's family, but your brother did this to himself alas.
Grateful to have a 401k but also soul crushing? What’s that called
🤘😉
Now if employees would all just walk out and quit on him!
https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3ljzqeyqr2c2m
Meanwhile Donald Trump has the mind of a reckless idiot...
It saddens me to think the Nazi salute didn't hurt the stock at all.
If he was then able to recover in this term, it would appear he saved it.
For them would be the same
No Medicaid cut, no social security cut, no education cut, no veterans cut, no any cut
And stock market would be still go up
Just imagine
It’s called manipulation, insider trading and illegal.
Sorry to put a downer on the optimistic hope that they might be suffering a bit.
They sell now and they will buy it back at some point?
It looks too dangerous, legally or economically
Because it can fall like house of cardt
Donnie Dipshit and Apartheid Clyde the Emerald Mein Herr couldn't make money selling water to travelers through Death Valley.
#SendTheCatalogue
#Canada #SupportCanada
The truth is...no, requires more suspension of disbelief than fiction.
Just... set the growth rate of government to perhaps half the growth rate of the economy. Would only take a few years for debt-GDP to become reasonable.
deficit / debt < (1/2) * change in GDP / GDP
1. Reduce the deficit to $900 billion or less, and/or
2. Increase the rate of growth of GDP
Unfortunately, Trump’s policies are doing exactly the opposite of both of these desired outcomes.
That’s not aging well.
The Stock Market is the Biggest Rigged Game in the World...
Their reporting on the Stock Market lays it all bare.
The system has been rigged from the very beginning.
It is a huge scam with Insider Trading built in!
The Rules the SEC operates under make it a toothless Agency.
What Trump is doing to all Gov't Agencies!
I invested my fortune, and Lost a fortune!
The Market recovered, I didn't.
Will it be mythical Roadster?
Will it be mythical Cybercab?
Will it be mythical New Small Tesla?
Place your bets, folks!!!
If they were a normal company I would have averaged it over the last five years, but they ain't normal.
The only good Muskrat companies are the ones that go bankrupt! Americans must stop funding neo-Nazi, apartheid-loving, democracy-destroying clowns!
Defund, Divest, Deport both of them.
#targetakedown
But since Elon's worth is largely from his Tesla stock... I'll jump on this bandwagon. FUCK THAT GUY
#ShortTeslaStock
If he never uses tesla chargers and the car is paid for and he doesn’t pay for some subscription nonsense, there’s no more money going to musk.
But if he were to ever need to fix it, for whatever reason, and tesla parts are involved, then that’s money going.
Yah I dunno. I think anyone that has the comfortable means to switch, should.
If they can’t, do what they can to reduce sending money to that company.
We the People can do this.
No stocks to crash... 😂😂😂
https://www.newsweek.com/poland-donald-tusk-radoslaw-sikorski-elon-musk-marco-rubio-ukraine-starlink-2042034
https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/technology/carlos-slim-cuts-ties-with-elon-musk-s-starlink-invests-22-billion-in-independent-network/ar-AA1AsQCT
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ontario-s-contract-with-starlink-is-canceled-even-if-us-tariffs-are-lifted/ar-AA1AoIQB
Tesla sales down, stocks dive…and suddenly the president of the US is personally promoting someone’s car company!
Boycott Amazon, X, Meta, Tesla, Walmart, Target..
All of them.
Knowing Trump - the coming four years could be four years wasted.
Freedom for one freedom for all. Government shutdown if only one have a ear. Meaning the Government don't hear the people. the followers not people the government need to hear. The people the government need to have a ear for are rejected #DEI not included.
Or wait, it is…