We can argue about whether Musk was honoring Hitler and wishes a return of the third Reich, or if he's just an edgelord that spends too much time in 4Chan and thought it was funny "for the lulz". But we cannot argue whether he did a nazi salute, that is an incontroversible fact.
I'm of the stance that it's a serious enough offense that if they're joking, assume they're not. It's like signing a contract "as a joke." It's morally binding no matter what your intent is.
It is also a distraction from all the other things that Trump is doing to keep everyone from being focused. All smoke and mirrors making people look at the shiny object while the real stuff is being done behind our backs
And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. I truly believe he is the antichrist
This does make sense as Musk is a weird little dude who believes the conspiracy theories posted on his dying platform. But sadly he is now the most influential presence in the trump administration.
I know what you mean, I speak German, but look at the origin. The salute started as a unique party symbol. Just like people now revere Trump instead of the party it evolved in use and how it was referred to. Like Obamacare doesn’t mean care for Obama the salute was tied to Hitler in referring to it.
In any case it’s very clear now that Musk has allegiance to white supremacy and nationalism (in a country that is not his nation of birth) inspired on Nazis.
Remember when Prince Harry dressed as a nazi for halloween? Well, this isnt a child and this isnt halloween. Definitely a nazi bootlicker. Next stop Austwick for Elon and lets fire up the good ol "chamber" ready for 1 elon plus followers.
I think it’s both, or actually all three: 1. He is a 4chan shitposter. 2. He genuinely holds Nazi beliefs. 3. It was a calculated exercise of power - forcing commentators to either bend the knee by pretending it wasn’t what it was, or stand up and be counted. Those who stood up will be on a list.
They are all trolls, and we need to troll back. When we protest in the streets, we need to dress like up like *rump. Imagine the optics of police harassing, tear gassing and arresting 1000s of *rumps. He will be livid!
He will probably outlaw dressing like him. Bye bye congressional mini-mes!
Before I knew who, or rather what, Elon Musk was, I thought it would be a good idea to build his factory in Berlin. Electric cars, good for the environment, an image boost for Berlin and Germany...
Now I would like to demolish the factory myself. Damned!
YES!!!! Musk and Trump are identical. They are needy, fragile, narcissists. They need the spotlight. Their bromance won't end well and I'm here for that.
1/2 He has the maturity of a six year who is obsessed with making “potty” jokes.Musk is emotionally stunted just like Trump. But Musk’s racism runs deep. Musk has said that he bought Twitter to halt the advance of a “woke mind virus” spreading online. His grandfather wrote his tracts to raise an
alarm about what he called “mind control,” where “an unconditional propaganda warfare is carried on against the White man.” Musk has said he bought Twitter as a tribute to his grandfather who was a pro-apartheid, antisemitic who blamed much of what bothered him about the world on Jewish financiers.
He's playing with superficial irony, but he actually endorses it. He's not a "secret acolyte" like it's some kind of mystery cult; he's an overtly racist megalomaniac who agrees with Nazi tenets and tactics.
The alt-right "Schrödinger's douchebag" gambit has been well-documented for over a decade.
You’re spot on. And after today’s spectacle of Muskolini being beamed into rally the ADF in Germany, there is literally no doubt where he stands. #Musk #fascism
The fact of the matter is trolls who joke about being nazis and actual skinhead freaks are indistinguishable from each other, they’re both nazis plain and simple.
Yes but... lest we forget, Elonia is from Apartheid S. Africa. Whether or not he admits to being a Nazi, he was raised with that dogma. A form of childhood trauma of you will, and it must be consciously overcome.
He doesn't think there's anything wrong with it and therein lies the problem.
Yeah, but when is the line crossed between cosplaying a neo-nazi and being one? When he backs neo-nazi political parties all over the world? Because yeah, he's doing that.
Thing is, both are true. Look at what he likes and shares and he's straight up a literal nazi. He is also a pathetic wannabe edgelord troll, but he 100% believes in all that white supremacist bullshit.
I think it’s important to acknowledge both sides because it explains to all those “why would a nazi out himself” apologists. He is a nazi and he outted himself because he thinks he’s the most clever lil edgelord in the sandbox and believes he can get away with it. He's an idiot AND nazi.
Exactly. He doesn’t know he’s a nazi. He is the most pathetic out of all the robber barons. I hope I live to see him looking absolutely dumbfounded as he’s found guilty at the next version of the Nuremberg trials
His need to be liked and admired will make him say or do anything if it will draw enough eyeballs. This is why he's more dangerous than a True Believer. What lines he is wiling to cross and when are unpredictable. He's a child playing with the World's matches.
Naw. He’s a Nazi. He’s supporting the reemergence of the German Nazi party. The salute is just more confirmation of who he really is. Stop gaslighting us. He’s not the puppy you once knew. He’s Rolf from the Sound of Music. Evil and dangerous.
what it did do is push more nazi groups into thinking they have a direct line into power.. they saw that as a Huge sign of aproval, i bet many of them were doing there daft jerkoff salute to the tele .. daft
No. He's a Nazi. He did it because he is emboldening Nazis. It carries a lot of gravitas when the richest man in the world shows he stands with a particular ideology.
Reminds me of some schoolmates 50 years ago who loved to do Nazi cosplay and knew all the Third Reich history, just to troll people. They were 16-17. By 18 they’d grown out of it.
Oh, he IS a 4chan troll, but he might also be an actual nazi. One doesn't rule out the other, and his history of liking or agreeing with anti-semmitic post on Xitter points in that direction.
Yep, Leon is playing footsies with the Far Right. He may not be anti semtic but some of their other stances, he 100% approves. Kind of pathetic for #RonaldLauder and the #ADL to join the Vichy because they think THEY are safe. You can’t harness hate once it’s unleashed.
Wiki says the Nazi salute begins with the right hand at the shoulder extending straight forward and up ~45-60 degrees. The symbolism is a pledge of devotion and obedience to Hitler. Musk started with his hand on his heart swinging outward to encompass the crowd as he thanked the voters, democracy.
Also—he’s an outrage farmer whose antics provide cover for what the administration is doing—like getting rid of NIH Research study sections (will impact university funding) and civil rights law that gave women and minorities a fair shot at Fed contracts.
had to turn off the latest pivot pod when *that man* you work with shaped up his mouth to associate “benefit of a doubt” with OBVIOUS balls out nazi bullsht shoved right in our fckn faces.
Because even if he didn't mean it that way (which I mean... c'mon...) a lot of true blue dyed-in-the-wool Nazis saw it and are taking it as a sign of support from the gov't.
Him at least saying, "totes unintentional, 100% not a Nazi lulz" would be responsible even if it's not true
This guy's been snorting, injecting, and injecting the same elicit substances as Musk. And people who believe this garbage probably have the same issues. Fortunately, I can block this garbage here.
The only issue I have with this is that Musk probably told his speech writer to include something in the speech to justify it. I highly doubt that he writes his own speeches, or that he's capable.
No it's not. His father has explained that his mother's parents were Nazis who moved from Canada to South Africa because they sympathized with the Afrikaners and wanted to live in the apartheid state. Musk hates his father and being a real Nazi is a way of filling that void with mommy's approval.
Totally agree. 4chan is full of that teenage purile shit. My 10 year old nephew thinks it's hilarious. I have to pull him up on it frequently. Apparently he gets it from you tube. Good old friendly you tube.
Nope. Anyone that's been following elon should recognize by now that he isn't capable of regulating or consciously masking his emotions and expressions. He can't hold back inappropriate, childish laughter/behavior. The salute was a very serious moment for elon. Re-watch the clip. It was sincere.
(Like others have said) it feels like the trolling is just cover for the real beliefs. We can't let him off the hook an inch. Do we really think he believes in the equality of all? Not a chance, imo.
Supporting Tommy Robinson in the UK. Convicted criminal and founder of a violent racist political movement. Supporting a guy here who was convicted of organising race riots and called for all mosques and synagogues to be burnt down, and was arrested carrying knives in the way to a mosque.
Since you seem confused, none of these people are 4chan trolls. None of them were raised by Nazis. It's actually a person's character that makes the difference.
It's an English saying, certainly not a term of indearment! 😂 And if you knew anything about Nazi ideology, National Socialism, you'd understand why calling people nazi's just makes you look ridiculous.
If you do it in front of millions of people it does not matter whether you are just cosplaying or not. You are NORMALIZING the gesture. Now Nazis may defend themselves like "I just threw my heart at him, just like Elon." in Germany where this symbol is forbidden for reasons.
I'm too old to tolerate either. I want to be on the right side of history. It's not the kind of thing to joke about, or tolerate joking about. Mass death isn't funny. When its a billionaire who could end a lot of poverty and misery with just one percent of his wealth pulling that shit, fuck no.
All of these people preaching to people with nothing generally wouldn't give you the steam off their piss when you look closely into it. It's all about wealth acquisition overall. Makes me so tired. And then they bring back nazi salutes into politics for a joke? >_<
He should try this "cosplay" here in Germany. His audience will be a full courtroom and the judge will be his biggest fan. And his reward for first place is three years in jail, as trivializing or glorifying Nazi insignia, mottos or the Hitler salute are prohibited in Germany.
Not saying they are. Just that SA has its own Nazi powder keg to contend with and perhaps this is an issue to be dealt with at its root and where the doctrine originated. It would send a clear message to the AfG, that Melon Usk has open advocated for, that it won’t be tolerated.
Thing is, I support his right to show us who he really is with his speech. My bigger concern is everybody trying to deny that which is clear as day, and continue to support this regime.
The argument should never be about what we believe his intentions were. It should be about what he did. Which was perform two Nazi salutes. We saw him do it we know what it was. The white supremacists also saw him do it and they thought "He's one of us" and took succour from it.
Ok, but he could also actually be a Nazi like his grandparents. His parents and grandparents also supported and benefitted from apartheid in S. Africa. Rotten fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
It’s all of the above. He’s having fun, being pathetically himself. And he and Putin and his orange putridness have been planning this disassembly of our country and rule of law for years. It’s fun stuff for sociopaths. And it’s moving fast while we stand here staring in shock with our mouths open.
Indicative of the real welfare queens and terrorists you need to worry about, not someone from another country, they're right in your backyard, running multi-billion dollar corporations, and holding office.
Your oppression is their profession
This is what I love about the 4chan boys: they always think this shit is funny until you’re about to break his nose than he’s suddenly all like “it was a joke!!” Bitch do you see anyone laughing??
I never heard of that drug MDMA. I’m going to Google it. I wonder what it is with some billionaires needing harsh drugs? All I need is a hunk of clay or paper, ink, and a roller. I wish they would engage in a hobby instead
Agree with others. It's both. His beliefs are now far right. He's made that clear. He trolls and makes it a game to see what he can get away with and push acceptance farther right.
That's not what I was doing. Sorry you took it that way. He is unwell in every sense of the word. I am not condoning any of his behavior. He's a sick mfer.
The salute was like a shiny object the whole world looked at. Neo-Nazis celebrated, ADL said it’s NBD. Meanwhile
•human beings are preparing to be rounded up by ICE
•qualified military leaders forced out
•wind energy projects shackled
•health agencies silenced
•Jan6 felons free & free to own guns
Could it be that a clown went on stage showing us his beliefs and letting it play down by his believers as a distraction to everything else happening that and the coming days?
#Project2025
See, the thing is: your brain doesn’t distinguish between sarcasm and seriousness so if you’re saying you believe *insert n4z1 shit* eventually, you are going to actually BELIEVE and perpetuate the nonsense you’ve been spouting
But I still do not understand what has turned him so hard right to MAGA (i’ve avoided saying ‘radicalised’). Is it purely money? And the stuff about Sam Altman that he’s posting seems so vindictive and petty - can anyone explain?
People can hide a lot if they believe showing it in public would harm their image.
But when he thinks that now all think alike he has no reason to hide anymore? He can now show everyone. He can now NORMALIZE it.
This so far is the best explanation i’ve read. The ‘my heart goes out to you’ line never made sense to me. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if he was ‘Nazi/Adolf-curious’.
They are bad humans. This isn't new, and don't delude yourself into thinking its just kids playing around. Neo-nazi groups recruit heavily from these spaces because there are so many true believers.
They literally giggle about your perspective here.
One of my frustrations about this whole thing is people not getting this
Everyone shrugs but people who have been terminally online for decades know exactly the shit he's pulling IRL. & people are still waving it off as "online behavior isn't reality" it's not just online anymore! It *is* reality
Came here to say this. They totally mean it, but they joke about it to cover that they mean it. But it's done ironically (in their minds), so it makes it a "meta joke" to them, giggling into their hands that they're gaslighting everyone, which is what's fun for them.
It's the same thing abusive narcissists do to their victims. Say incredibly cruel things, then mock the victim for getting upset. "You're so sensitive!!"
The perspective you're advocating, is literally what they are exploiting. They know it capes for them socially. You need to stop and start listening to people when they tell you who they are.
It's like a third of the country believes everything one media source says about a guy, practically worships him, but then don't listen to what he actually says, and then waits for an 'interpretation' of what he said/did.
Why does any of it matter? The Federal and state sanctions of his running an antiblack workplace is enough to prove without having to deconstruct his being raised by pro Nazis who by the way were failed attempt to replicate US(as was apartheid) so why the obsession with Nazi hand gestures?🙄not news.
You're right, their actions are plain. It only matters to me that the AfD chud and the OP here are caping for them and denying the truth. @karaswisher.bsky.social would delete this if she cared about people being correctly informed.
Their denial of fact just shows their lack of credibility. He has been sued at every level&responds w Campaign to prove himself right to denigrate BP. This isn’t new, Jefferson himself extolled the importance of undermining black advancement globally as it threatens ideology behind US-Euro empire.
Idiocy of Musk using every medium to claim anti-black racism is in the past&it was ok bc everyone did it(both lies)&then using the same Rand-based lies to continue it now should discredit him (&Sacks, Thiel,Shiong)from any leadership but it doesn’t bc power left&right uses same anti-black lens.
I don’t care about his Nazi salute; but his actions over the past 6 months prove beyond any doubt who he is.
From his open support of Germany’s AfD, the party literally born out of the original Nazi party, and his offer of $$$ to any anti-immigration uk personalities - Farage, Lenin, Tate.
He’s Nazi
I dunno. Named after a nazi. Same fascination with female fertility and eugenics. Same ideas around lebensraum (but with Mars). Has tried to mainstream far right party in Germany. I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I believe that he actually is the AntiChrist, and that belief is derived from rationalisation not religion.
I'll need to discuss with some people who know their bible to confirm if it fits the scripture.
He is the Prince of Lies and he is working to bring about the Apocalypse.
What more do you need?
Except emperorship and technocracy are his desired governance . Very much the same as early 20th century Italian and German “builders” . He well knows how their ideas ended. He wants their reinstatement more than lulz. You don’t need gov contracts to do standup . ;(
The heart is not on the left side of the chest next to shoulders, it is tilted toward the right, where the seat of the soul sits. When you touch your heart the hand touches the center of your chest.
So maybe that guy doing the salute was a robot?
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Openly did a Nazi salute on live television after our new dictator was elected, and then immediately started saying that that isn't what happened.
This is terrifying.
He will probably outlaw dressing like him. Bye bye congressional mini-mes!
Now I would like to demolish the factory myself. Damned!
The other oligarchs are fine with financial domination but musk is just as maniacally corrupt as drumpf.
Those two tarantulas in a jar is dangerous for country.
The alt-right "Schrödinger's douchebag" gambit has been well-documented for over a decade.
Not getting tricked by that any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4&t=620s
https://bsky.app/profile/heathermoandco.bsky.social/post/3lgbkpurk422n
Elons bestest president thinks Hitler did some good stuff: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-said-hitler-did-some-good-things-and-wanted-generals-like-the-nazis-former-chief-of-staff-kelly-claims
The European political parties that Elon supports harbors Nazis:
1) Tell AllyFogg to close Twitter and come over here.
2) Close your Twitter account.
He doesn't think there's anything wrong with it and therein lies the problem.
He owns Trump. Yes, it's a little kid game, but it is also done gleefully knowing not even Trump will say anything.
https://youtu.be/j-IW7o1mDMk?si=8baGGi9jBMqg9cR5
He's always had a screw loose.
Bedminster or the Elipse, maybe?
The Elipse Trials has a ring to it 😁
If he admires edgelords so much, perhaps some edgelords should give him some back about Vivian?
Just sayin'.
what it did do is push more nazi groups into thinking they have a direct line into power.. they saw that as a Huge sign of aproval, i bet many of them were doing there daft jerkoff salute to the tele .. daft
He would say "I am not a Nazi".
Him at least saying, "totes unintentional, 100% not a Nazi lulz" would be responsible even if it's not true
The word again is embroidered in grey on a black cap using Fractura font, which was favoured by the German Nazis.
And I'm not your dear.
Fucking nothing.
Because it is corrosive. It damages any sense of empathy and concern for others. It's a path to becoming a true monster.
I’m an expat in Germany and terrified.
Leon’s a white supremacist except when he needs to hire tech workers out of country Nazi
Your oppression is their profession
He wasn’t in the church when the nasty lady scolded the orange guy, was he?
Most of those reprobates *hate* Elon. He's disliked by everyone.
@insuret.bsky.social
Don’t be like Elon
Another child.
•human beings are preparing to be rounded up by ICE
•qualified military leaders forced out
•wind energy projects shackled
•health agencies silenced
•Jan6 felons free & free to own guns
#Project2025
But when he thinks that now all think alike he has no reason to hide anymore? He can now show everyone. He can now NORMALIZE it.
4 chan trolls don't just emulate fascism ironically. They do it ironically to abuse free speech & they kek about getting away with it.
Underneath that most of them are also true believers.
They are bad humans. This isn't new, and don't delude yourself into thinking its just kids playing around. Neo-nazi groups recruit heavily from these spaces because there are so many true believers.
They literally giggle about your perspective here.
Everyone shrugs but people who have been terminally online for decades know exactly the shit he's pulling IRL. & people are still waving it off as "online behavior isn't reality" it's not just online anymore! It *is* reality
They wanted it.
Abusive relation may be a better term that Cult at this point.
Yes. And they are narcissistic to the maximum.
This is exactly what Musk is doing.
https://bsky.app/profile/areidross.bsky.social/post/3lggffets6s27
0 credibility from them, ever. ✊🏻🖤
From his open support of Germany’s AfD, the party literally born out of the original Nazi party, and his offer of $$$ to any anti-immigration uk personalities - Farage, Lenin, Tate.
He’s Nazi
Scion of an Apartheid mining dynasty.
Nazi.
I'll need to discuss with some people who know their bible to confirm if it fits the scripture.
He is the Prince of Lies and he is working to bring about the Apocalypse.
What more do you need?
So maybe that guy doing the salute was a robot?