America had the world's 16th highest death rate from COVID (technically 17th but San Marino is not a real country) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-1... - ThreadSky

michaelhobbes.bsky.social • 6 days ago

America had the world's 16th highest death rate from COVID (technically 17th but San Marino is not a real country)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

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dwildstr.bsky.social•6 days ago

Aw, San Marino's real enough. What it's not is statistically significant. The expected variation on most measurements there are swingy enough that San Marino could be first or last in pretty much any per-capita measurement without it saying anything at all about San Marino.

catebridget.bsky.social•6 days ago

very very interesting that the top of the list is dominated by the Iron Curtain

wirelessben.bsky.social•6 days ago

This is assuming all the countries were properly counting all their Covid deaths. The US was not.

A better metric would be excess deaths compared to the normal death rate.

marihan.bsky.social•6 days ago

But they were participating in Eurovision....

greelygodmother.bsky.social•6 days ago

Damn the Slavic states got slammed

sp2799.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yet, Austria borders the region and Serbia is in the region and neither are on the list. What did they do different?

coleefy.bsky.social•6 days ago

San Marino's reaction after seeing your skeet:

tmoney2007.bsky.social•6 days ago

Its good to be in the company of such bristling success as [checks list]... Nevermind. Actually most of those countries seem to be about right given the current state of the US.

Most of them are doing okay given that they don't have all the advantages that we do.

jamiehurlburt.bsky.social•5 days ago

Canada hanging out down at #86 despite having so many cultural and demographic similarities really drives home the role public healthcare and a weakening-but-not-MAHA-level-bad faith in vaccines play here.

statsboyandi.bsky.social•6 days ago

Wow. Anti San Marino and micro country tax shelter bias much

reubenkarabekian.bsky.social•5 days ago

Only 100M cases in the US is so fake too. Almost everyone I know has had it, and most multiple times. The real number is probably more like 5-10x as high. Ugh

tunalapumpie.bsky.social•6 days ago

This administration thinks we can do better obviously, as their actions will put us higher on the list.

slowdog.bsky.social•5 days ago

Looks like we have a new variant headed our way from China.
Kennedy sees 1 million Covid deaths under Trump 1 and says, "Hold My Beer"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-reports-cases-new-covid-variant-nb-1-8-1-behind-surge-china/

kansasblueblood.bsky.social•6 days ago

Damn Michael. Slamming San Marino outta nowhere

philadlj.bsky.social•6 days ago

jeffjanis.bsky.social•6 days ago

What was going on in Eastern Europe? They dominate this terrible stat

tristopher.bsky.social•6 days ago

I think it has to do with general distrust of government after communism

maxtropolitan.bsky.social•6 days ago

Smoking.

nellieo.bsky.social•6 days ago

Not surprised, but wondering WTF was happening in Eastern Europe, too. The U.S. stats are prescient of our current political reality - where policy in the broad public interest is spun as an attack on freedom.

hatmattman.bsky.social•6 days ago

Are you familar with the current political reality in Eastern Europe?

nellieo.bsky.social•6 days ago

Somewhat. Thanks for being hostile and condescending for no reason.

hatmattman.bsky.social•6 days ago

Rightwing / russian propaganda influence is strong in eastern europe as it is in right-wing circles in the US. Esepcially in the US South. If you look at a heatmap of US voting and US Covid deaths you'd see a similar overlap. Same in Eastern Europe. There are parellels here that can be drawn

nellieo.bsky.social•6 days ago

Makes sense.

miguelmallet.bsky.social•6 days ago

Also I’d be stunned if our cases and deaths aren’t undercounted.

jlindy.bsky.social•6 days ago

I expect we aren't alone in that.

jctenton.bsky.social•6 days ago

i'd assume every country's total is an undercount tbh. it's not an easy thing to record accurately, even ignoring the countries that intentionally undercounted to make their response look better

jctenton.bsky.social•6 days ago

rip to your mentions when the san marino weebs find this

jctenton.bsky.social•6 days ago

also i wonder what's up with everyone in the balkans dying of covid. that's weirdly concentrated

jakobpunkt.bsky.social•6 days ago

Lots of anti vax sentiment in that part of the world

ajaxsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

Also some of the highest smoking rates in the world which means some of the highest COPD rates

robi-cedilnik.bsky.social•5 days ago

Do you really trust Russia, Belarus, Serbia or China to reveal the real numbers of COVID deaths?
If they did, they would figure on the list, and on high places.
All former communist countries have a high rate of deaths. I don't believe Belarus or Serbia are exceptions.

originalaurelia.bsky.social•6 days ago

Many of those deaths happened during the first wave of Covid that swept over Europe when barely anyone had PPE and masks.
Huge peak of cases and deaths all at once, dramatically fewer after

catebridget.bsky.social•6 days ago

anecdotally (i know ppl in Ljubljana), it was very bad senior care management. it ripped through old folks’ homes

originalaurelia.bsky.social•6 days ago

Like the US and Ontario, Quebec….though I will say that being at home with family didn’t do much to help seniors either in multiple countries, considering that so many homes had bad ventilation and too much contact between families.

catebridget.bsky.social•6 days ago

small overcrowded Soviet era apartments

maxtropolitan.bsky.social•6 days ago

Check out the percentage of adults who smoke, then check the elevated covid death rate for smokers.

jctenton.bsky.social•6 days ago

if it were just cigarettes then east asia should be up at the top too. i'm sure that's a factor but there's more

catebridget.bsky.social•6 days ago

true, but East Asia had true lockdowns and they believe in masking

jctenton.bsky.social•6 days ago

believe in pretending to mask, in my experience. noses out or pulled down everywhere, fake masks were common

jackslipperyeel.bsky.social•6 days ago

Novak Djokovic just checked into the chat.

alrom.bsky.social•6 days ago

All 4 San Marino weebs died from COVID-19

frankitodevito.bsky.social•6 days ago

It still blows my mind that there was no national day of mourning, no memorial built, nothing. We lost a million people. A million people. Where is all that grief supposed to go?

eigenvogel.bsky.social•6 days ago

If you look at past pandemics it's the same way. People didn't want to remember.

rosemmalove.bsky.social•6 days ago

I can find some for HIV/AIDS but that might be because of the specific harm it's done to the LGBTQ+ community.

eigenvogel.bsky.social•6 days ago

That's true, but I'm thinking of culture-wide ones like the 1918 flu epidemic. It killed a huge number of people over two years and not only are there few monuments to it, it's barely mentioned in popular literature of the time.

rosemmalove.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yeah, true. I also wonder if that's because it was just after World War I which maybe took up more attention.

originalaurelia.bsky.social•6 days ago

People were so burned out with grief after World War 1, millions died and no homes, no businesses, and then seeing the 1918 pandemic as soldiers came home, (and brought waves of disease with them) was just too much.
Excellent portrayal of that WW1 & pandemic and memorials in Downton Abbey btw

juanarto.bsky.social•6 days ago

And it was sickeningly ignored and therefore horrifically protracted.

originalaurelia.bsky.social•6 days ago

There should be Memorials and days of Remembrance…part of the problem is that even though we don’t want to “count” it, we still have a high death rate from COVID among many vulnerable folks.
So it’s not over yet, maybe the “peak” is.
(Diseases never end until we vaccinate kids and babies)

masterbunny.bsky.social•6 days ago

I am guessing you gotta take age into account for this. Like geriatric heavy population has gotta suffer worse outcomes, no? Deaths per x seems like a blunt measure. Excess deaths…

300ps.bsky.social•6 days ago

Dude why'd you have to go unleash the San Marino discourse we're cooked

misshap.bsky.social•6 days ago

Michael will use any opportunity to push his "micro states aren't real" agenda

butlerofdogs.bsky.social•6 days ago

We never did the lockdowns we needed, and red states did not vaccinate.

A good chunk was SCOTUS allowing churches to congregate.

spacebandito.bsky.social•6 days ago

It's interesting that the list is basically entirely Central and Eastern Europe, but then what happened in Peru?

ryanrobinson.ca•6 days ago

This is my biggest question now, too: Peru, a bunch of Central and Eastern Europe, statistical outlier, the US... Wait, Peru doesn't feel like it belongs at the top of this list.

belahaensch.bsky.social•6 days ago

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/27/1057387896/peru-has-the-worlds-highest-covid-death-rate-heres-why I would have guessed it was because of the elevation, but no.

spacebandito.bsky.social•6 days ago

Honestly surprised it's that low

forgethere.bsky.social•6 days ago

Official numbers are way undercounted

surpluscornbread.bsky.social•6 days ago

Wow, just gonna through the oldest country on that list under the bus eh? Respect your elders Michael!!!

chasmac77.bsky.social•6 days ago

And that’s with severe underreporting in many states that didn’t want to hurt Trump’s fee fees.

kstewto.bsky.social•6 days ago

*Has, not had. People continue to die

princetonyimby.bsky.social•6 days ago

Highest death rate in the G7, right? That's awful. And also remarkable considering Italy got absolutely blasted with COVID at the start of 2020 when most western countries were sleeping on it.

onionbroth.bsky.social•6 days ago

Eurovision fans in shambles.

onionbroth.bsky.social•6 days ago

Though "Tutta l'Italia" isn't doing them any favors in this regard.

scdemandred.bsky.social•6 days ago

They made it to the final, my man is a national hero. So what if they were dead last? 😅

onionbroth.bsky.social•6 days ago

I like the song! It's a banger! I just don't think it's great for establishing real country status for San Marino.

scdemandred.bsky.social•6 days ago

I feel like that’s an uphill climb for any landlocked micro state, but yeah, fair.

artemiss812.bsky.social•6 days ago

God forbid we do any real research to confirm why

engaged19x.bsky.social•6 days ago

San Marino reading this post like

juanarto.bsky.social•6 days ago

Given who was the so-called president and his anti-vax anti-mask campaign at the time, I’m surprised we’re not higher.

iveseenenough.bsky.social•6 days ago

Wow - it’s us and the Iron Curtain.

zawehzaweh.bsky.social•5 days ago

deaths that we know of at least :/ we can't forget how many states explicitly began to forbid attributing covid to deaths. But the case numbers....yeah that tracks.

publichealthguy1.bsky.social•6 days ago

these need to be age adjusted

beninquiring.bsky.social•6 days ago

-epitaph on all demographers’ gravestones

publichealthguy1.bsky.social•6 days ago

😅

wowthatscoolmyguy.bsky.social•6 days ago

Why? Do the deaths count less if they were old and supposed to die? I get it in every other situation, but a chart of absolute deaths isn't one?

wowthatscoolmyguy.bsky.social•6 days ago

We must get a true report of those who died of COVID not including those that died with COVID

forgethere.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sorry, why?

forgethere.bsky.social•6 days ago

Like not to be sealioning and ask you to explain statistics to me, I understand what age-adjusting means. I just want to know why you feel that should be applied in this case. Do you have a sense that the US did better/worse than these other countries in a specific age range?

professor-recipes.bsky.social•6 days ago

Considering the demographics of the USA skew younger compared to just about any other developed economy, if anything weighting Covid death rates by age bracket would probably just make them look worse since they achieved more deaths with fewer (relative) old people.

maxtropolitan.bsky.social•6 days ago

And if you factor in things like smoking rates and other risk factors in some of the countries that with higher death rates than us, we look even worse.

catebridget.bsky.social•6 days ago

and alcohol (Czech. Latvia etc)

docstock.bsky.social•6 days ago

Man, Eastern Europe really got hammered, eh? I don’t think I really realized that previously.

beten0ire.bsky.social•2 days ago

Still ongoing:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-more-300-people-us-090201801.html

bigfarts420.bsky.social•6 days ago

It's very funny that the official count was ~1.3m in early 2022 and then started going backwards. I guess we resurrected some people

forgethere.bsky.social•6 days ago

They changed the definition of who died "from covid" to massage the numbers retroactively. People died because they stopped breathing, not because they had covid, duh

bigfarts420.bsky.social•6 days ago

"With, not of" was horrible messaging with profound impacts on public health going forward

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