It's complicated.
The right uses this for what they do. Even though the only rights they care about are guns, religion(their interpretation or Christianity) and controlling their women.
The left still believes in legislation (representative government) even though that is a thing of the past.
The Founding Generation actually upheld that Americans no longer held this right, both during Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion. They believed that this portion of the Declaration was no longer valid given the representative form of government now held in the United States.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment of your statement, but just wanted to point out one of many instances of the hypocrisy that is baked into the US gov't since its inception.
Second Amendment types would argue that this is the most important reason for that amendment. Isn't it ironic that the vast majority of '2A' types and groups support the Felon and his regime?
The electoral college, equal representation in the senate, needlessly high bar for amendment, legacy of slavery, vague language, lifetime appointments for SCOTUS, presidential pardons, 3rd amendment deprecation… all this shit can get flushed down the toilet. We can do better.
What lot of people not only America but also other Democracies have forgotten what a duty is to their Society is.
It is a responsibility towards your society to maintain it peace and harmony within it. When forces within that Society create chaos within it it is their responsibility to quell it.
Everyone kisses up to Trump except Jasmine Crockett and the Democrat Senator that calls them Jefferys are the only ones that stand up for the American people today
I have noticed that myself looking in. Those two should be in positions with the elder democrats mentoring them. They need to rid themselves of the old guard that lives in the past and replace them with more younger cool even heads that know when to really fire up & fight like blue blazes their way
and currently we can still do that By election... as in every election there is a revolution.. so that is the best course to take now.. get elected to election boards and country boards... make sure the elections are fair...
This is the premise that the jan 6 insurrectionists were operating from. And if our democratic leaders who know full well what's going on, couldn't make moves to rally the people to protect democracy, I'd like to know how we are going to do it. Im not even capable of enacting whats stated there.
If you aren't interested in a revolution then asking Congress to defend the Constitution is the solution. It starts by voting to allow Trump to lawfully serve as he is currently inelligible to hold office under Section 3 of the 14th Ammendment. Sometimes a strategic loss is necessary to win a war.
Thomas Jefferson thought they'd redo the Constitution every 20 years or so, precisely to stop this bullshit so malicious little bitches don't use loopholes and gaslighting to turn in fascists.
Unfortunately, they found that if you own SCOTUS, then get Congress, you've got it all in your pocket.
Turns out, SCOTUS is the weak link. If you get your lackeys in there, they declare the President king - or as Germany called it "Fuhrer" and all your official actions become unprosecutable.
All your executive actions have the force of proclamation and Congress just vote to fund it.
Read this well, folks. As our ideas gain traction, the oligarchs will begin to call us us communists, insurrectionists, terrorists, anything to keep us quiet. Don't let them squelch our ideas. They are a rich ruling class. They can only be stopped when enough of us recognize and expose!
Hell, if we could practice communism in an environment where the greed of a select few did not dictate the welfare of the many, I'd gladly brand myself a communist
Exactly. (poll results)
Cory Booker said he polls voters blind on 'socialism' issues & gets the same results. Also shares excellent advice from his mom on how not to be defeated. Two little things. See if you can spot them - and share, share, share, people. 🙏 Onward. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NEXnq2qD4B5f2Gai1gb9W?si=2nh1M0ofTrmFH06BYCCYTg
We’re getting a new constitution when this is over whether we like it or not, and there won’t be fifty stars on the next flag. Pull the plug now and hopefully we can save a few million lives.
This was the justification to throw off the British monarchy. Once victorious, the American states required a new form of government, and delegates wrote the Constitution.
Meaning we'd need to overthrow our current form of government and write a new constitution.
Do it legally, or they'll use it as an excuse and stamp you out. This should have been done long ago,before the military industrial complex took control of politicians.
It's funny how the same people who constantly warned of tyranny, and how we were only protected if we all followed the Constitution... are the ones allowing a tyrant to violate the Constitution by taking advantage of weaknesses in the system they hate for letting them down.
The problem is he is fantastic, in the past. Like, he was truly great. But even he knew peaceful protest would only go so far. He didn't depose a government.
The thought is disturbing, but no one ever peacefully voted a dictator out of power. South Korea needed to use force to back up the impeachment. Trump already showed us in 2021 how he acts when the law requires him to relinquish office.
You start by learning what it was like to protest during the civil rights movement in the 60s. Seek out those kinds of people and organize. Do not be afraid. If you have more questions let me know.
This is not something that happens with 1 march overnight. It is a series of civil disobedience over the course of multiple years, putting yourself in harms way for the rights of yourself and others.
I will also add that your generation didn’t have to work to pay for college and if you did, tuition was about $5,000 per year. That college degree guaranteed you’d have a job to buy a house and raise a family, so you had time to protest and spend years doing it. The world has drastically changed.
I'm sorry how fuckin old do you think I am? I grew up in the 80s and graduated in 92. I was demonstrating during Occupy when my friends and family were losing homes due to a massively corrupt banking industry.
…if those in power don’t care about opposition. As said, women’s march 2017 made history as largest yet, Roe v Wade overturned, a rapist is now President, the VP and Musk, the shadow president says it is our duty to birth children etc. nothing was accomplished.
I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about. That shit was 8 fuckin years ago. You don't get to march 1 time and then think the world is a better place.
After the Women's March, we won the house in 18 and took the white house in 20. That doesn't mean shit though if you're not vigilant.
1/2 It’s condescending. Boomers weren’t the only 1’s to ever protest. Other gen’s have protested and marched. Your marches were a factor in pulling out of Vietnam but it weren’t the sole cause. Marching for civil rights accomplished some good but did not end systemic racism. Protests won’t help if …
That's nice but in this case everyone knew who trump was and they voted him in knowing exactly what he will do. Until that changes nothing will and by the time it does it could be to late without a national war.
Kind of lol b/c this is what fat orange criminal would use to back up why he's changing the govt.....always yapping about the enemy within (in reality they/we are the enemy b/c we're normal
But, yes we should take note👍
Pretty sure the Founding Fathers could not imagine a time when the military holds all the might. Are we ready for a revolution? Are we ready to die on the hill of democracy? Can we win back our nation? I truly don’t know.
“He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.”
What mechanism do Americans have to throw off their government? Usually, it’s voting, but we see that can be corrupted. Americans can’t call in air strikes or roll tanks on their government. This seems to be suggesting some… other way.
But beware: this was the basis of argument that many southern secessionists laid out in their arguments against Lincoln for maintaining slavery, and that necessitated the Civil War to resolve... So, are you really willing to do what is necessary rather than see if the "system" rights itself again?
"It says right there in the Constitution
It's really A-OK to have a revolution
When the leader that you made
Just don't make the grade
Oh mommy, I ain't no commie
But I hate to bust your bubble
'Cause there's gonna be some trouble soon"
- Michael Brewer and Tom Shipley
I think we're still at the part you skipped. "...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
He released the J6 criminals to start a brownshirt movement like Hitler. Everyday they will be recruiting and organizing all over the country. If the military won’t do his bidding the brown brigade will
Honesty is never pointless. Neither are full facts. American Fascists, among others, have been using & abusing are founding documents toward their goals for decades. Before them, the Confederates.
Not sure why you chose to snark at me. I don't know you and you certainly don't know me. If you had asked me why I referenced their use of the passage we could have had a talk about how they abused the passage & how we can counter them.
This was written before the government could kill is in mass from the fucking sky if they wanted to. What the hell are we going to be able to do against the most violent and powerful military in the world? Please someone explain it to me like I’m 5. 🙄😒
Do you not realize this has been exactly what the right has been advocating for years?
Do not use the Declaration as any justification to do violence. This administration would use any action like this to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution.
I would like a new government where billionaires aren’t possible, where workers are protected, and where government is required to improve peoples’ lives, not make them worse.
When I first heard Nic Cage repeat these words in National Treasure, I was gobsmacked. I’ve heard them over and over in my head since then and it’s never been more important than now!
The us constitution doesn't apply to the rich it never has. They will buy the court. Elon isn't even american and he's bought a president.
The problem the us has is obscene wealth. And a massive disparity between rich and poor.
If I added an amendment. It would be max wealth limit.
I was actually thinking something very similar. Most of the MAGA crowd already believed that they were wresting the country from usurpation by despotism.
We'll soon see what this generation is worth. If this is still the home of the brave, willing to fight tyranny like past generations, or if we're good as long as we have food and stay entertained. Revolution or Bread and Circuses.
The declaration of Independence is not a governing document. The duties and rights and the structure of govt are only described in the Constitution. Additional informations comes from supreme Court cases and the papers pro/against the Constitution when it was to be ratified.
All politicians shld be considered guilty until proven innocent. Such evidence, proving any politician innocent, shld be updated on a monthly basis and offset by their actual votes and behavior. Any ambiguities shld be decided in favor of guilt on the part of any politician.
Correct. All who wants to become politician should be subjected to stringent whetting and endorsed by the people (not by political party members) before they stand for election.
It's astonishing how deferential we are to our elected representatives, down to their having the title "the honorable," which is absolute horseshit and completely puts the whole relationship on the wrong footing. They should be public servants, not people to whom the public are subservient
Many haven't read the constitution and as with England many haven't read Magna Carta which effectively removed the devine right of Kings allowing the King & his government to be subject to Common Law.
Charles 1st was executed for treason and crimes against the state by Common Law.
We don't have a Parliament so a vote of 'no confidence' won't initiate an election process.
In two years, every member of the House will be (re)elected. In the Senate, about a third will be up for reelection.
Slow as it is, elections are how we create a new government in a legal constitutional way.
As slow as it seems, it is how the Constitution was intended. Anything else will be civil war and won't end well for us as citizens and the Constitution was destroyed. We should have learned that already for the Insurrection of 1860.
We have to use the legal process and Constitution as intended.
That if the Constitution is not protecting us now, perhaps we shld rely on an older statement of the rights and duties of citizens, signed by the founders of our nation, who were in rebellion at the time of that signing…
It’s the only way to keep us from going down the drain entirely. The question is, when it comes down to it will they sell their souls completely and betray this country definitively? Based on past actions, there’s not much hope but a tiny bit.
Trumpism has so twisted things that MAGA believes Democrats, and perhaps democracy itself, is the very despotism the Constitution calls us to strike down.
Everybody except a few is too coward to do anything and Trump and his minions knows it.These MAGAt racist have been preparing for this moment for a long time.MAGA It’s the revenge of the confederate,the Nazi and the apartheid.
With this new generation of rotten brains because of socialmedia,we are F
I don’t think we need a new form of government. We need better people to go into government. But given today’s nonsense, who in their right mind would want to?
King Ketamine and his court Jester El Trumpo don't care what the Serfs think. They expect the American people will bow to Trump and take whatever he dishes out. MAGA, 31% of the electorate, already does. Will Americans cave in. Many already are and they are the ones that would snitch Anne Frank out
It's even easier than that. After the Jack Smith report and Trump pardoning the J6th insurrectionists, Congress needs to enforce the 14th Amendment, Section 3 per SCOTUS last year.
I actually think that's why Vance has been keeping his distance. But nah, they can get them both out. Guilty by association, he doesn't even have to be convicted by a court to be deemed ineligible under sec.3.
To enforce the Constitution and uphold their oath. He's also an agent of chaos, so it's not EVERYTHING they want. SCOTUS also declared only Congress can enforce this. Now there's more justification after the pardoning, if they have the courage.
There are going to have to be a whole bunch of amendments to the constitution after Trump is gone that hardens the US against corruption. First off: presidential Executive Orders must undergo Constitutional review before being enacted.
And unconstitutional acts by elected officials is treason.
Extremist theists are massively outnumbered, emboldened by moderate theists.
How bad will it have to get before the non-extremist majority have had enough and rip the influence of evangelicals out of their government by the roots?
But pandering to theists is necessary to even get elected.
I am assuming we all agree there will be no peaceful transfer of power in 4 years time.
If we assume Electoral College system is rigged now, how much more rigged or crooked in four years.
I believe he said you will never need to vote again.
I really just want to see some evidence. I see people making all of these claims about it, I read articles and google, and the most evidence I see is something indirect like some crazy shit that he said. Or those screenshots. There is censorship going on but it proves nothing about the election
sadly, I'd love to believe that but in 2020 they said Biden stole the election. There is no way to find out and even if you could, there is no way to convince ppl.
Sure, a large portion that’s not too bright voted for him, they also shared the spotlight and were given a mega(MAGA)phone via corporate MSM - who know how the wind was blowing while jockeying for state TV position.
In no way does that prove the election wasn’t messed with.
Two things can be true.
yes two things can in fact be true. But not everyone who voted for him were not too bright. Many saw the benefit to them personally and did not care what happened to anyone else.
Agreed, but we/you/they need a strategy. People are going to be mowed down by the government if they try to take back the power. There are several historical examples showing how willing the U.S. government has been to kill its own citizens.
Yes, if there is no access to the ballot box. The problem here is that the largest group decided not to go to the ballot box and the largest group of those who did -- a coalition of the uninformed and uneducated -- voted for this result. We have the solution at hand; we just need to use it.
No way of doing that without military support and mass uprisings. Let’s see what happens with the protest movement, because that’s where it will begin.
I'm Canadian & I know what has to happen. Your success means our success so we are in your corner in many ways! This needs to be settled fast as China & RU have played rump to destroy the American empire. Don't let the axis of evil (rump/China/Russia) win. I'm in your corner! Our vote is this year!
The Democrats did, weakly and with about as much fervor as eating a baloney sandwich. So it’s as forgotten as the 36 convictions will be, also handled as weakly as a wet bagel. Congress is fucking worthless. The Senate unanimously passed Trumps minions. Yeah, that’s showing the Nazis.
Repeating it and understanding it are two different things though. If there were still fairness in media laws, and corporate media still acted like real journalists that held power accountable, we wouldn't be in this situation with a population who's so wildly misinformed on a daily basis.
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The right uses this for what they do. Even though the only rights they care about are guns, religion(their interpretation or Christianity) and controlling their women.
The left still believes in legislation (representative government) even though that is a thing of the past.
The only problem is that anyone can see the other side's actions as corrupt and their own defended by this
The electoral college, equal representation in the senate, needlessly high bar for amendment, legacy of slavery, vague language, lifetime appointments for SCOTUS, presidential pardons, 3rd amendment deprecation… all this shit can get flushed down the toilet. We can do better.
It is a responsibility towards your society to maintain it peace and harmony within it. When forces within that Society create chaos within it it is their responsibility to quell it.
Tell that to Henry V at Agincourt.
Americans have more of a CoCo Chanel vibe than Anne Frank if you know what I mean...
Unfortunately, they found that if you own SCOTUS, then get Congress, you've got it all in your pocket.
All your executive actions have the force of proclamation and Congress just vote to fund it.
Oops.
i am a child shooting from the hip but my guess is that we could have avoided the deadlocked congress and thus avoided legislation from the bench.
I DNGAF what they call me. The irony is everything I support, Trumpers think is great...until I mention it's socialism.
Half of America are idiots.
Cory Booker said he polls voters blind on 'socialism' issues & gets the same results. Also shares excellent advice from his mom on how not to be defeated. Two little things. See if you can spot them - and share, share, share, people. 🙏 Onward.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NEXnq2qD4B5f2Gai1gb9W?si=2nh1M0ofTrmFH06BYCCYTg
They just want to be called liberal or socialist...
This was the justification to throw off the British monarchy. Once victorious, the American states required a new form of government, and delegates wrote the Constitution.
Meaning we'd need to overthrow our current form of government and write a new constitution.
HARD PASS.
And by funny, I mean 🥺
Me neither.
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But remember when MAGA tried to overturn the election they lost?
They don't, but we sure do...
I posted a video about this today on my profile. Feel free to check it out.
This is not something that happens with 1 march overnight. It is a series of civil disobedience over the course of multiple years, putting yourself in harms way for the rights of yourself and others.
I'm aware the world has changed.
After the Women's March, we won the house in 18 and took the white house in 20. That doesn't mean shit though if you're not vigilant.
But, yes we should take note👍
Unfortunately.
A grievance against King George III.
Actually a lot of these grievances sound familiar.
#ThisIsWar
https://mathewhauer.com/publication/2022-01-01_half_lead_exposure/
It's really A-OK to have a revolution
When the leader that you made
Just don't make the grade
Oh mommy, I ain't no commie
But I hate to bust your bubble
'Cause there's gonna be some trouble soon"
- Michael Brewer and Tom Shipley
see how pointless that statement sounds? try again.
A hard climb back but no other choice nor want does this outsider see.
Your oath is to The Constitution. Nothing more.
Do not use the Declaration as any justification to do violence. This administration would use any action like this to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution.
How do you think Hitler became a dictator?
Never read it in its entirety, it's a Gold Mine!
The problem the us has is obscene wealth. And a massive disparity between rich and poor.
If I added an amendment. It would be max wealth limit.
#teammangione
#ThisIsWar
Or do you not know actual 2A history?
vote out any incumbent
run off all the existing politicians, make all parties scared
Charles 1st was executed for treason and crimes against the state by Common Law.
Learn from history, don't repeat it!
In two years, every member of the House will be (re)elected. In the Senate, about a third will be up for reelection.
Slow as it is, elections are how we create a new government in a legal constitutional way.
We have to use the legal process and Constitution as intended.
He’s supposed to uphold the Constitution NOT destroy it!
He’s on his way. This time it will be Republicans!
There can be a turning point for them as Trump changes norms everyday.
With this new generation of rotten brains because of socialmedia,we are F
Trump's hurting all the people the hate, and helping anyone who they like.
He's doing everything they want.
Besides, SCOTUS has declared all official actions of Trump are perfectly legal.
They'll do no such thing.
Besides, that will leave Vance in charge.
And unconstitutional acts by elected officials is treason.
How bad will it have to get before the non-extremist majority have had enough and rip the influence of evangelicals out of their government by the roots?
But pandering to theists is necessary to even get elected.
If we assume Electoral College system is rigged now, how much more rigged or crooked in four years.
I believe he said you will never need to vote again.
you should work on that.
that is not even close to what happened this time.
In no way does that prove the election wasn’t messed with.
Two things can be true.
Clearly, sources that used to be reliable have been co-opted and are no longer trustworthy.
#ThisIsWar