I think solidarity is different for elites. Our system is made FOR and perpetuated BY them. Even if they screw each other over, at the end of the day, if they keep up the status quo, they stay the ruling class. All that changes are levels of profit. For us, it means having to actually work together.
Of course! Workers should rise up, we never should have let it get this bad. But atp its blaming scam victims for the actions of the scammer. The reality is...
Those in power have created a life where most ppl are so concerned with survival that they are (or believe themselves to be) incapable of taking a stand or are brainwashed against it. That's why "solidarity" is so easy for them and difficult for us. For them its a given, we actually need to try.
Between workers it's because of either artificial scarcity or bourgeois propaganda encouraging hyperindividualism and bigotry. This serves the rich because it keeps the working class divided.
Well, if we are being honest, most billionaires would push any other billionaire under a bus if they got a fraction of their worth added to their own. They know they don't have to share with us, but they also don't want to share with each other.
The "ruling class" is the oligarchy, not some incompetent liberals who tried. Also, still not proof of the rich eating each other. That's merely infighting.
You probably wanna see that as some big victory, but you're shitting yourself if you think that the same people that overthrow entire countries for a little bit of oil couldn't deal with one single vaguely wealthy dipshit if they actually needed to
Where are you getting that notion from because according to the article regarding the ongoing investigation: "The three suspects fled the stabbing on foot. They are described as being in their 20s with dark complexions."
It doesn't link to an article, it's a screenshot. I am happy to take the down post if there is an active investigation. The only thing I have read previously is that the friend the victim was with was also stabbed but survived and he provided the information in the quote and that's it.
Ok. One of the earlier replies before yours linked to an ABC News article about it giving details which is why I was wondering. Thanks for the clarification.
What you didn't find it compelling when they tried to link Luigi's actions to a runaway successful social deduction game that peaked during COVID lockdown, especially among people in his age group?
Right, the people who give service to others and act in self defense vs drug crazed lunatics with a vendetta who act out of rage. Makes plenty of sense to me
even though unlike Jordan Neely, that CEO has caused great pain and suffering on innocent people and has blood on his hands stemming from his own choices?
I feel no sympathy for the CEO, but Jordan Neely was a violent person who assaulted several people on the subway. He broke a woman’s nose and eye socket in an unprovoked attack in 2021. Tell me why he should have been on the streets to begin with.
The lives of the people on the subway weren't in danger. The man murderer was homeless and begging for help, his murderer took matters into his own hands and took an innocent life.
That's not what the other people on the subway car said. Do you not believe them? If not, why not? Surely his violent criminal past lends credibility to their fear.
A schizophrenic homeless guy got on a subway car and started ranting that he was going to kill somebody. People on the train testified they feared for their lives. Penny restrained him while they waited for the cops and he died from a combination of the drugs in his system and a genetic condition.
No. Daniel Penny put Jordan Neely (he has a name too, not just “homeless guy”) in a chokehold. It was more than just simply restraining him. And he continued to choke him even after Neely had stopped struggling. And that’s what killed him.
Also Neely never threatened anyone. He said that HE was ready to die or go to jail over living in his current circumstances and ppl took that as a threat. It was a cry for help.
Exactly. I could see why folks on the subway were nervous, or even frightened. But he wasn’t harming anyone. He should not have been choked, and certainly not to death.
To anyone who stumbles across this comment and decides to jump in, just read the thread and you'll see all I'm going to say about it. If it makes sense to you, great. If you disagree with it, fine. If it leads you to insult or threaten me, I won't engage and you'll just be blocked. Peace out.
Tried to have a civil, fact-based conversation here based on information I have that I know most people don’t. Sorry a few people had to go down the ad hominem attack road, but appreciate that some folks could simply disagree and leave it at that. If you didn’t get blocked you know which you are.
Here is an article with actual hematologists in it explaining that SCT does not cause crisis and can't cause asphyxiation, specifically calling out medical examiners on misuse.
"SCT is a benign genetic condition; it is not a disease and is not associated with decreased life expectancy like sickle cell disease. SCT does not cause “sickle cell crisis,” “cardiac hypertrophy,” or “positional asphyxia,” which has been cited in several cases. "
It's being increasingly cited as a reason to ignore the violent deaths, often by choking, of black people. They tried to cite it during Derek Chavin's defense.
It is BLUNTLY incorrect and blames the death not on the obvious proximate cause of chokeholds, but inferior genetics.
It is racially motivated, a dereliction of justice, and will directly contribute to other miscarriages of justice if it's allowed to take hold as a reasonable defense. *10*! of the African American community has this BENIGN genetic finding. Do you see how this is a problem?
He had the sickle cell TRAIT not sickle cell. That's not a "genetic condition" that's being the carrier of a recessive gene. It doesn't cause any symptoms in the carrier. ~10% of the AA community is a silent carrier of just the sickle trait. Thalassemia Alpha and Beta is also common.
A hemoglobinopathy trait does NOT affect the carrier biologically. It's why you only see problems when the genes combine in kids and the parents are shocked. Sickle cell trait did not, and literally could not, contribute to his death. Being denied oxygen past unconsciousness did!
What was the doctor's name? Where are they licensed? Were they a hemotologist/oncologist? Do they specialize in treatment of either hemoglobinopathies in general OR SCD specifically? I've never heard of sickle cell TRAIT being called a "genetic disease".
I am a 70 year old woman - married to a white man for more than 50 years with two white sons. We have all been aware of the different kinds of justice for decades. Have you experienced the privilege of being a white man?
I'm seeing more of them exposing the shooter's personal life, including his hobbies, friends and family, than them actually discussing about the real reason for why he did it. It's like they are purposely trying to hide it.
Because it’s not as popular or useful to say that a privileged young man just lost his shit unibomber style, than it is to have a denied healthcare drama story that sells better.
When you choke a guy to death? You were trained how?
Another guy who helped u take him hold him said ok stop! He is out!
You do not want to catch a charge?
Keeps choking him out? Manslaughter at the minimum is in order!
I speak from 22 years behind the Wire! My first 4 years 1989-1993 CT 35th for inmate Population. 19,000.
We were #1 for inmate on inmate assaults.
#2 for Inmate on Staff assaults! I survived by 1/2 centimeter and wear a 7” scar from front right to back to past ear! 45 stitches. Seen many lose
Control! Both Inmates and Staff. Both you must snap them out of it! It is Fight! flight! Cerebral cortex brain!
You see it enough you recognize it! I was that guy! Hey hey we got him we got him! Yo stop!
Many times they turn the Rage to you! Then you win! They come back to using Frontal lobe Brain
If a crazed zionist jew was attacking a subway passenger for wearing a kafiyeh, was then strangled for nearly 6 minutes, then left to die, would the Post be writing this?
I’m not even going to worry about it I just pray when the nightmares start coming he can’t get any rest. God has his dash under his control. What so ever a man sow them shall he reap he is the devil and when God get tired of him he will treat him like Saul.
I thought that headlines was misleading or exaggerated. But god damn that shit was actually real. And remember this is In a blue city like new york. Now imagine Alabama.
The news cycle is ferocious. I sadly already forgot about this from last week. Largely, bc nobody is reporting on it!!! I follow a lot of different news outlets. Why hasn't this comparison been elevated in op Ed's or actual headlines?
Have 2 disagree. Unless this Supreme court doesn't do it, the ultimate objective of the fascists may be to call another continal congress and write another constitution possibility leaving out freedom of speech, religion and other rights we take 4 granted.
This is the result of Trump's constant verbal attacks on immigrants. Now he's waging war on Canadians and Mexicans who are not even in the USA. Trump is the assassin.
Maybe 2 years ago there was another similar incident. A mentally-ill man was having an episode on the subway and a bunch of Scandinavian tourists who happened to be police went over and managed to talk the man down and took care of him until the police arrived. THAT'S how it's done.
I don’t understand why anyone believes Penny saved anyone?Saved who? Jordan Neely having an episode wasn’t even threatening people on the subway to be put in a choke hold. Whites automatically assume the worst in Black Americans if they get slightly upset towards whites. Racism begets violence.
the baffling part about this one is that they gave us all a few days to piss on the grave before the “this guy mattered, you don’t” script was approved
It is. Sad part is folks want to believe ONLY this is how white supremacy looks. In fact, folks' ability to believe an overqualified Black woman slept her way to the top is the face of white supremacy. Especially those who can't admit it to themselves; there was just "something about her".
It is sad that publications like the @newyorkpost.bsky.social owned by Rupert Murdoch’s @NewsCorp perpetuate racism in America. Another rich foreigner who came to America to expand his media domination and personal wealth but is insulated from the damage he has caused in our cultural fiber.
Headline
Daniel Penny found not guilty in NYC subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely
Excerpt
After police arrived, officers administered Narcan to Neely, performed CPR and used an AED, but were unable to revive him. Neely was pronounced dead at the scene.
The responding officers testified in Court that the assailant was still alive when they arrived and died after they took custody of him, most likely on the way to the hospital.
And, P.S. the answer you received yesterday reminded me of what Trump said about pardoning J6ers who beat police. "They had no choice!" What? Astounding lack of awareness of the world outside of himself. 'Me, me, me. They had no choice, they were protecting/operating on behalf of me.' SMDH
My god, yes. Aren't police supposed to render care to a person with whom they were in a shoot-out with, once that person has been hit and is no longer a threat? I am just stunned by some of the replies here, and stunned by the Penny verdict. "Subdue" does not mean "render lifeless."
- A sleeper hold puts pressure on the sides of the neck limiting blood flow. Rarely deadly
- A choke hold puts pressure on the front of the neck crushing the wind pipe. Dangerous and deadly
Having done and dealt with both, choke = intent to harm
I've choked someone out more than once. Two situations where it was neccesary. Both times it seemed to take forever for them to pass out (when in reality it didn't take long at all) and once they were out everything went by very quickly. I held on longer than I should by about a minute. Both lived.
Not unless the Marine Corps has changed since the 80s. We were trained to end life, zero training in pain compliance. Maybe different with Military Police training.
As someone who wrote the subway so many times, this just infuriates me because anybody who has been in a similar situation, knows that it was unequivocally murder.
This is the EXACT bullshit that allowed Trump to win. Have you not seen the vid of people, including black women, getting off subway saying he protected them?? White guy playing the woke race card is so pathetic. He did the right thing against a dangerous man. Doesn’t fit in your bias tho right?
Gotta protect your cognitive bias right?! I was too emotional but I am sick of this old playbook. Every single topic should be evaluated on its own merits. Period. Politics is designed to make sure that doesn’t happen. Objectively Penny was in the right - has nothing to do with race.
he murdered an innocent person that did not commit a crime. the jury are a bunch of fash racists helping a biased justice system let murder by whites go unpunished (again). it isn't over until the "protector" meets street justice.
If you have any ounce of intelligence and follow this garbage paper then you help them spewing garbage.
Don't follow it, don't encourage it keep their number low. Let them go back to MuskX, they don't belong here on Blue
It's really fascinating that you say you are pro democracy, but clearly, from all your posts, it is so far from the truth that the label 'Grade 2 dropout' suits you well. You don't know what a fascist is, much less what democracy means. Grade 2. American education. your best and brightest.
I hope you MUSKX Grade 2 drop-outs feel better spewing what Musk taught you. Such Dodo's. Now go sit at the kiddie table and let the adults talk. There's crayons and Barbie coloring books for you, so you don't get bored.
So do I have this right? A black man is choked by a white man and dies, but the white man is not a murderer. Then a rich white man whose wealth is based on denying health claims resulting in deaths and suffering, is killed by a victim and that is murder. Right? They both sound like murder to me.
This makes it worse, how tf do you arrest a mentally ill person 44 times and still don’t put him in some type of facility? This doesn’t justify him being killed it just shows how shitty our justice system is at their job
He wasn’t killed for being mentally ill he was killed because he was being restrained from hurting people. Mentally ill or mentally stable doesn’t make it ok. But yes the justice system does not do their job efficiently.
From my research witnesses said he did not get violent nor have a weapon so there was no reason for him to be restrained. There’s been multiple cases of people being able to calm down these types of events without force or killing the person
No waaay
You brought up the Race Card..
What an original
Like Penny got up that Random day and Said I'm going to go kill a Random Black guy on the Subway..
Lemme guess, you would've Videod Neeley Strangling a Woman he was threatening.
Instead of Subduing him
In case you didn't notice, the topic is in part about, "...whose lives have value in America and whose don't." Race is part of it. But no, it isn't all about race. Don't be so sensitive.
That may be true, but a black male is generally viewed by whites as a greater threat than a white male. Call it what you want. And therefore whites act differently to them because of their race.
If im reading the post correctly, hes saying the rich guy is murder, the poor guy is not murder. But wasnt the subway a negligent homicide charge? Guy didnt set out to kill him, things got out of hand while trying to subdue him right? I mean its still bad but its not straight homicide right?
He was trained to use the hold, so even if there weren't witnesses telling him stop because the man couldn't breathe, he should have known the risk - yet he continued choking long after his victim lost consciousness, long enough that his victim quit breathing. That's not "things got out of hand."
Your post neglects the evidence presented-which the jury chose to believe-that Mr. Neely was high on synthetic marijuana, had mental disease, and sickle cell trait all of which contributed to his death independent of Mr. Penny's actions. It's also worth noting that Neely's hyoid bone was not broken
"…all of which contributed blah blah blah"
Literally nobody knows what health conditions a person has when they're putting them in a chokehold, especially when all those conditions get fatally triggered BY THE CHOKEHOLD
I'm so tired of "they had all these other things" being used as a defense/excuse
I have never sen it stated that Penny "knew the man couldn't breathe." It has been said that the man stopped resisting. That may have been evident after the fact.
In the video presented to the jury, you can literally hear people warning Penny that his victim wasn't breathing. There's no way he wouldn't have known that his victim went limp, and he sure as hell would have known his victim soiled himself.
I must admit that as a subway rider I feel for Penny. His problems are not over. You may know that there is a civil case against him. I know the wrongs of the medical insurance industry, but I don’t think murdering a CEO will solve the problem.
It’s really quite simple. Felons who threaten to kill innocent people deserve to die and people who are just doing their job don’t . Get a new health insurance provider if you have a problem
Don't be silly. Perry didn't plan his attack. Video also shows him being assisted by other passengers, and other passengers said that they were frightened.
When was the last time you rode the NYC subway? When was the last time you saw someone threatened in the subway? Me? Last week.
Try living in the NYC shelter system and eating breakfast surrounded by schizophrenics. Try it every day for two years. After you've done this, bring me your middle class sanctimony.
Have you ever shared a room with a violent schizophrenic on meth? Try it for two years and tell me how you slept.
this is also bad, but in the williams case it seems that there was more violence involved, still, not reason to stab someone to death, I would call that excessive force, that warrants manslaugter charges, but there are not many infos about what really happened
The courts just made it legal to kill mentally ill people without fear of punishment. All they have to do is say we were acting crazy and making them nervous. It's now legal to kill me, a schizophrenic.
Seriously, I am sorry. I've known people who suffered schizophrenia, just decent people, maybe facing some challenges, but decent people trying to get by. In reality, the 'Psycho Killer' is the far end of rarity. MENTAL HEALTH CARE in the US sucks. Ironic, it's so unaffordable. Who just hit a CEO?
I just blocked another person who scolded me about taking meds as if the meds are a cure. And then added that we can't "act crazy in public anymore'. That's what we deal with. People who haven't got a clue what they're talking about but talking about it anyway.
I'm probably looking at that one, debating if I should say something to challenge the ignorance or let it go. I'm inclined to the first b/c ... well, never much for twitterX & new here. I imagine this is why people leave X. If ignorant asses feel unwelcome, that's a start. Keep doing you & be well.
I never used Twitter or Instagram or snap chat or whatever the heck else is out there. I joined this one because of all the complaints from right wingers about it. Anything that pisses them off is worth whatever effort it takes to endure some of the stupid comments.
I deleted my original post re the report cuz it had misinformation. My post should have said: I read today--and I wish now I had kept the article--that Steven D'Antuono said the FBI could not use the GPS information because for some reason it was too corrupted to read. So yeah BS.
The lives of countless passangers are important, the life of the mentally ill man who died was important, the life of the man protecting others lives is important. What's not important is this incessant need to politicize everything instead of looking at it for what it was. Seriously, drop the bias
Yep. Nobody cared about Williams doing the same thing. Yet people are marching in the street in opposition to Perry’s release, after years being locked up. Weird.
This. The media fuels the racial fire. So do posts like this. It was one person stopping another. If it was two white guys it would be a non story. It was a horrible accident. The media wants you to not pay attention to what’s really going on. They want you to fight each other.
I would say it's more social media than news outlets. I mean, I get that media in general has flaws and they rush to get a story out - which causes inaccuracies in reporting. But, they correct mistakes. Is it their fault we, as a whole, don't pay attention to the corrections.
I don't think the point is that it was somehow planned against a person of another race. The point is that people come in, like this, and tell other people to ignore it, and that only seems to happen when it can be blamed on the media making up crap about race.
Do you not see the irony of coming in here and saying the media just wants you to ignore what's really going on by telling people to ignore new stories? It's not binary. We can pay attention to multiple different flaws/wrongdoings at once. It's not all bogus or all legit. 🤷♂️
Lol, I just don't do partisan politics. Had he been convicted of criminally negligent homicide I'd have accepted the verdict. That's the only charge that was remotely close to fitting. However, in ANY stand your ground state I doubt a trial would be needed at all. NY has BS self defense laws.
I'd imagine sociopolitical leanings would determine sympathy, no? An almost instant emotional response forming opinions is neither important or responsible. Breaking news stories release facts as they can therefore facts are subject to change. I had sympathy from day one but I didn't form an opinion
Until after things had been released, heard from all witnesses, etc. Manslaughter should have never been on the table. And in the end the Jury has more insight than you or I do. So, their decision is in accordance with NY self defense laws.
Thinking scared passangers lives are less important than Neely's is political. Vice versa, thinking scared passangers lives are MORE important is political. What matters is whether it was self defense or not. Jury said yes. You can pretend it's not political if you want, though.
People can identify as anti-racist & actually be anti-racist. I'm pretty sure I fit that description.
Great evidence above. I don't care who choked out who, if the individual had reason to fear for their safety & others they shouldn't be guilty. Good job jury.
The anti-racist view requires race essentialism. As such, it requires different treatment based on race, and that’s a racist take. Agree on the self defense assessment, though.
What happened to using de-escalation tactics first, and if the person goes on the attack, then neutralize? It doesn't matter their ethnicity or sex. There's a thin line between justifiable and negligent homicide.
Waiting for someone to attack means you have lost control of a situation & makes you reactive. Not good, defense is proactive.
Would you ask a woman who is threatened with SA whether she acted to de-escalate the situation? No. Because we have a right to protect ourselves from a perceived threat.
Once someone has been neutralised, and several other people are helping to restrain them, is it necessary to keep choking them for a further 10 minutes? What about if other people are telling you to ease up with the choking and you ignore them? Sounds pretty negligent to me
No, but I would take the effort to de-escalate if I were in the area, which includes telling the fucker to calm the fuck down to pushing the fucker as far away as possible.
If I decided to off someone because they were threatening, I'd be in jail by now.
Let us know when you start feeling more than uncomfortable when a psycho starts screaming in your encolosed space that he's going to kill someone. Maybe a signal, like clutching your pearls or pointing to your skull and sticking out your tongue.
In both cases, the victims are
a type of person that’s HATED
by people who live and work
in Manhattan.
Mr. Mangione is very likely to
walk this off. Just sayin.
The CEO was part of a company who caused the death and disabilities of thousands of Americans while under a bad Healthcare system, and the man who died at the subway was the result of that same system failing him for years, and yet the CEO is the "victim" to the NYP.
Okay that's actually a very vaild point, the NYP is basically a trashy tablot. I do however think this front page of their magazine does a good job highlighting a lot of older Americans thoughts though when it comes who's more worthy of outrage, since the homeless man's death was just as tragic.
The New York ComPost. If a 2000 lb bomb dropped through the roof of that place in midday, not a single thing of value would be lost except the building.
Homeless people's lives are worthless and the killer gets off the hook. CEO's lives matter above everyone else's given the massive amount of police assets used to apprehend that killer. Even if the CEO in question was a lying sack of shit who ripped off their company's customers and shareholders.
One man was responsible for the deaths of thousands, the other was responsible for the deaths of no one. Remind me who was a victim and who was a killer here?
The POS CEO should've been in jail along with 90% of health insurance executives. That doesn't change the fact this was premeditated murder.
The other was a deranged man with a long history of violent assaults, actively threatening to kill others. His death was by accident while being subdued.
Accidentally choking a man for 6 minutes? Broad view of what constitutes an accident. Meanwhile the other guy owns the government so the only way we have to punish his obvious crimes is what Luigi did. The homeless guy could've kept his life and no one would be hurt, Thompson couldn't've.
You hold a man as long as he poses a threat; it is that or deliberately kill him to stop him from being a threat. The Neely was still alive and with a heartbeat when the police took custody of him.
Vigilantism is a rough path, should Fauci be next?
Yeah, after he had been permanently injured at best after being CHOKED FOR 6 MINUTES. He was long past being a threat and needed a fucking ambulance not a police car. Best you should be able to argue is temporary insanity on a manslaughter charge.
The media verbage is so biased it's sickening. The killer must have been past his last straw to have done this. I'm sorry but either way, the insurance boss killed uncounted lives with denials. This is justice. What happened to the CEO is justice, and the killer gets justice. Death begets death.
It really shoes the horrible way these rich people try to control others. Cheer a guy who unnecessary killed a man with mental issues, condemn another who killed someone who's choices resulted in the deaths of thousands
News Corp. Just another Murdoch rag. An extension of the Fox News family that taken mass media to new lows, perhaps none lower than the Wall Street Journal, which used to be onne of most respected papers in world. #fuckfoxnews.
Acquit the man who killed the man who needed mental health care - convict the man who killed the man who withholds care from a man needing mental health care …
I saw the original video - can't fucking find it now - Neely was having a breakdown. He hadn't ate or had anything to drink, he was poor, he had been hauled in for vagrancy multiple times - but if it got him fed he didn't care if he went to prison again.
I don’t believe there was any intention to kill this man. It is in fact a tragedy when people die. It’s also a tragedy when innocent lives are subjected to violent people who commit assault multiple times (2019 and 2021), both victims were senior citizens.
We're telling the mentally ill, "we cant afford to help you, but if you display symptoms of illness you are expendable." I'm certain my brother marine would have wished for a different outcome.
New York Post is the right wing rag of Murdoch. Don’t give it oxygen please. It’s akin to The Enquirer, the bat-shit crazy rag that graced the checkout aisles of supermarkets to entertain you with crazy headlines as you waited to check out.
To be fair, New York Post is owned by staunch right-wing billionaire Rupert Murdoch and unsurprisingly his news outlets always have massive bias towards the elite/wealthy - can't really blanket all Americans of having the same views
The news has taught me that is someone murders a black person they don’t like or someone who doesn’t speak English that’s perfectly fine. Just don’t dare ever kill a ceo
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They seem to keep trying to undermine each other.
Capital is labor.
That's why Marx thought the people who produced capital are the only ones who can stop it.
If the workers refuse to do that, they'll base it on the right to keep the fruits of their labor.
If anything ever really threatens the system, they all immediately defend it.
It's why workers kill and discriminate against one another.
Meaning, I have a right to the value I create with my hands.
That's the basis of our society.
https://youtu.be/tFG_5PBl2K8
So the ruling class didn't really want to put Trump in jail? That was just a show?
The ruling class doesn't always get what it wants.
They're not playing on God-mode.
The media treated everything Trump said as an impeachable offense.
All the appointments are appointments of the ruling class
You probably wanna see that as some big victory, but you're shitting yourself if you think that the same people that overthrow entire countries for a little bit of oil couldn't deal with one single vaguely wealthy dipshit if they actually needed to
Don't you remember what happened in South Korea?
That's where politics comes in, and even if they'd rather see Trump in a cell, it wouldn't be politically viable to do so.
Including the Russia investigation?
lol you fucking coward.
It was shitty was better than what we had. Unregulated healthcare is dangerous.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/some-medical-examiners-say-sickle-cell-trait-causes-sudden-death-theyre-wrong/
Here is an article with actual hematologists in it explaining that SCT does not cause crisis and can't cause asphyxiation, specifically calling out medical examiners on misuse.
It is BLUNTLY incorrect and blames the death not on the obvious proximate cause of chokeholds, but inferior genetics.
Another guy who helped u take him hold him said ok stop! He is out!
You do not want to catch a charge?
Keeps choking him out? Manslaughter at the minimum is in order!
We were #1 for inmate on inmate assaults.
#2 for Inmate on Staff assaults! I survived by 1/2 centimeter and wear a 7” scar from front right to back to past ear! 45 stitches. Seen many lose
You see it enough you recognize it! I was that guy! Hey hey we got him we got him! Yo stop!
Many times they turn the Rage to you! Then you win! They come back to using Frontal lobe Brain
I guarantee you, this pig knew exactly what he was doing.
Where is the massive manhunt by police? Where are the rewards? Why no video or pics of the murderers yet?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrant-teens-stabbed-nyc-1-fatally-after-asked/story?id=116523495
-Some genuinely stupid people I've met
NYP is a daily tabloid
hold downs.
I can do this without
chokes or joint locks.
I also know
if I choke someone
for 6 minutes..... I'm
a murderer.
Same as the kneeler.
not on the street.
Judo is all about
respect.
I've never needed it
outside of the dojo.
All hail.
Wierd that you advocate for criminals
Headline
Daniel Penny found not guilty in NYC subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely
Excerpt
After police arrived, officers administered Narcan to Neely, performed CPR and used an AED, but were unable to revive him. Neely was pronounced dead at the scene.
Great research guys.
#WhitePrivilegeStrikesAgain
The responding officers testified in Court that the assailant was still alive when they arrived and died after they took custody of him, most likely on the way to the hospital.
You should find an honest news sources.
I didn’t follow this case closely so I have no clue if he was trained or winging it.
Either way this sounds fucked.
But also, I've never choked someone out, but I know to stop doing it when they are no longer conscious.
- A sleeper hold puts pressure on the sides of the neck limiting blood flow. Rarely deadly
- A choke hold puts pressure on the front of the neck crushing the wind pipe. Dangerous and deadly
Having done and dealt with both, choke = intent to harm
https://youtube.com/shorts/6pwpHbwRco8?si=Cz5ZTf72s8iZTfwS
https://rumble.com/v2mkzss-new-footage-reveals-former-marine-daniel-penny-putting-jordan-neely-in-reco.html
I have choked people out. I’ve always immediately released the hold when they’re limp. It’s common sense for the most part.
https://hellgatenyc.com/two-manhattan-murder-investigations/
Don't follow it, don't encourage it keep their number low. Let them go back to MuskX, they don't belong here on Blue
Target:CEOs
Enough is enough.
Just look at the thumbnail if you doubt it.
So our solution for the mental ill is to ignore them and wait until someone decides to choke him to death as others look on.
Not that's 🐂💩!
You brought up the Race Card..
What an original
Like Penny got up that Random day and Said I'm going to go kill a Random Black guy on the Subway..
Lemme guess, you would've Videod Neeley Strangling a Woman he was threatening.
Instead of Subduing him
Yall think this is the 1800`s.
This Country is Not as Racist as you think.
And again, as I said, it’s not ALL about race.
Penny didn't mean to kill him.
Just Subdue him and Protect himself and others.
Race Has Nothing to do with it
What would you be saying if they both were White?
Or when it's a WHITE Ceo of United Health getting Murdered
He was breathing when cops arrived.
They wouldn't do CPR for fear of Diseases.
He was Full of Drugs.
Literally nobody knows what health conditions a person has when they're putting them in a chokehold, especially when all those conditions get fatally triggered BY THE CHOKEHOLD
I'm so tired of "they had all these other things" being used as a defense/excuse
He knew. He just didn't care.
When was the last time you rode the NYC subway? When was the last time you saw someone threatened in the subway? Me? Last week.
Have you ever shared a room with a violent schizophrenic on meth? Try it for two years and tell me how you slept.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
They found Saddam Hussein in a fucking spider hole. They found Osama bin Laden’s bedroom.
He was acting in capacity of Good Samaritan
Yet one of them is facing life in prision the other is free.
The difference is class.
-K
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Anti-racists are so racist now.
Maybe NYC should put some cops in the subways instead of taking everyone off patrol to hunt for Robin Hood.
People can identify as anti-racist & actually be anti-racist. I'm pretty sure I fit that description.
Great evidence above. I don't care who choked out who, if the individual had reason to fear for their safety & others they shouldn't be guilty. Good job jury.
Would you ask a woman who is threatened with SA whether she acted to de-escalate the situation? No. Because we have a right to protect ourselves from a perceived threat.
If I decided to off someone because they were threatening, I'd be in jail by now.
a type of person that’s HATED
by people who live and work
in Manhattan.
Mr. Mangione is very likely to
walk this off. Just sayin.
Nice
it’s about what I would expect
https://nypost.com/covers/
I'm not denying reality.
The title of his post was the part I took objection to.
Don't you see the problem?
"It's rare you get such a clear illustration of whose lives have value in America and whose don't".
Since when does the New York Post an indicator of any value? The paper that is famous for page six is supposed to represent the American public?
Abuse and kill black people left, right & centre with impunity..?
They've been at it for years..
The other man accidently died while being subdued after threatening to kill people.
Do you always place equal value on victims and assailants?
The other was a deranged man with a long history of violent assaults, actively threatening to kill others. His death was by accident while being subdued.
Vigilantism is a rough path, should Fauci be next?
Street justice is all we have left
It would be only fair.
And even if true, this would not give a white vigilante killer the right to murder.
Cue the racist dog whistle!
Translation: DISGUSTINGLY RICH PEOPLE WANT YOU TO FEEL BAD FOR THEM...
( sorry but true )
I saw the original video - can't fucking find it now - Neely was having a breakdown. He hadn't ate or had anything to drink, he was poor, he had been hauled in for vagrancy multiple times - but if it got him fed he didn't care if he went to prison again.
And then Perry killed him.
He'd been arrested for homelessness.
You know what having a criminal record because of that does?
It makes it fucking *I M P O S S I B L E* to get out of that situation.
Employers avoid you.
Shelters might avoid you.
Cops "Know" you
I'm hoping you're being semi sarcastic, but there are people who genuinely think that justified the extrajudicial death penalty.
more than two dozen cases of vagrancy.
Clearly a threat to humanity that deserved to be executed in broad daylight in front of a crowd.