There is a far-right…and a far-left. Both are more interested in their own selfish issues than the whole of their party. I met a few of them this morning. “Lovely” people. 😉
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This is very true and very much a problem in this country. I have dear friends and relatives who can’t even allow themselves to politely disagree with me.
I hate losing friends and loved ones. I will always try to respect their views but it sucks when they can’t allow me my own opinions
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the real "far left" is often bigoted and racist, too. They just present with paternalistic platitudes or other soft lines of otherisms instead of clear epithets.
I'm what you'd probably consider a "far leftist." I'm interested solely in improving conditions for my fellow people. Neither Democrats or Republicans are doing that. I believe we need a new party that represents and advocates for all workers, not the rich.
I’ve never understood people who say they won’t vote for a specific candidate because they’re not left enough (or not right enough). Voting is usually the lesser of two evils.
Suck it up and vote against the worse one if you don’t want to live in a hellscape of your own making.
Uhm both parties have abandoned the people. With a few exceptions they are not compelling. The “far left” or whatever, actually represents the majority of poor and working poor Americans who have been abused by the system. I could not care less about parties. They waste money and do nothing. F them
Both parties over season a dish which completely ruins something that was good as is. That’s what the extreme end of the parties do. But I would say the Cult is far more extreme than the Dems. And they are a Cult not a party anymore. Let’s call them that.
And BOTH of those extremes are utterly convinced that they are completely correct and have the moral obligation to literally force everyone else into that position but I find the extreme left to be more insufferable because I actually agree with a lot of their principles but I’m not an absolutist
I call them extremists. The extreme right, and left, have lost their damn minds! Most of our country is near the center, leaning right or left depending on the issue.
“Les extrêmes se rencontrent” (extremes meet). That’s why I have no problem calling leftwing extremists “fascists” (ie rightwing extremists): even though the details of their respective ideologies may differ, the end result is +/- the same. Prefer Aristotle’s “in medio veritas” (truth is in middle).
Anti-democracy sorts tend to be alike in their hubris and often their egoism. They suppose themselves ethical arbiters of society and have no interest in discussing, debating issues with people who disagree with them in a democratic context, voting, incremental changes, negotiation, that sort.
However, I would say at the present time the far right is vastly more powerful than the far left in the USA. That's where the money is, where the international help is. The "far left" is just some people blathering away online, typically serving as tools or useful idiots of the far right.
I think the danger in talking about an anti-democracy far right and an anti-democracy far left in an unrealistic way just now, as suggesting they're both powerful political movements, is it plays into conservative arguments that fascism is necessary to fend off authoritarian communism, Marxism.
I’m a former republican who voted for W, McCain, and Romney before leaving the GOP in 2016. The country is center left on so many issues, and we don’t need to bend the knee to the extremes of either party.
Common sense solutions will be popular with most Americans, regardless of party.
Bend the knee? Define extreme left. Drop the labels. Is extreme left alliance with LGTBQ? Universal Healthcare? Defund the Police? Free Palestine? Taxing Billionaire out of existence? Neoliberalism, starting with Clinton handed this country over to corporations. I want my country back.
I got assaulted online yesterday by an angry trans mob for a meme they found offensive (which was directed at politicians who hate them). I took it down and said I support your cause. And they spent all day telling me I was not a real ally to them. Marginalized groups who push away support? 🤷♂️🤔SMH
I am far left, but not in the same way. I am the way I am precisely because I love this country, the highest of the ideals on which it was founded, and the potential for greatness we still hold.
The far-left in America (and even in Canada) does not have a party and our ideology is literally a response to the selfishness of everyone to our right, whether conservative or liberal. Maybe read a book or talk to one of us.
I have found that the far left is just as intolerant as the right. You can agree on 99%, but their indignation and name calling over the 1% is astounding.
HRC lack of purity, according to many, painted a huge target on her. Thus donnie
Much like the right, OP is never going to answer this because he'd rather paint in broad unspecific strokes that make him seem wise and centrist (when in fact he's just a coward enabler).
You’re not smart or “above” both right and left. If you think they’re two sides of the same coin you have no grasp of their meaning.
And yet you are, as all arrogant centrists, placed firmly within the status quo. And that status is conservative and reactionary which by definition is right wing.
Basically, they've been told that "far left" means transitioning all children and aren't willing to hear otherwise. There's so much work put into talking about any cultural issues that can distract from workers rights.
Politics is like a Circle. Eventually, Far-Left and Far-Right spectrums curve round and join to complete a circle. Human nature kicks in: power is abused & both equal a Dictatorship. This is why coalition Govts are more tolerant and liberal - i.e Scandinavia: they also have the happiest electorates.
There is a far-right and a far-left. The far-right is called the Republican Party. The far-left is a minor part of the Democratic Party - sometimes, when it suits them.
My dude, I'm not even in America and even I know the two US parties are corporate centre-right Dems and foaming demagogue-fellating-right Republicans. All you've done with this tone-scolding concern-troll nonsense is illustrate that you're blinkered enough not to understand shit.
If dems really cared about ANYTHING left of center they wouldn't have so aggressively be trying to court christian nationalists (Moulton saying they need to abandon LGBT folks), the miltary industrial complex (aka the Cheneys), and oligarchs (Mark Cuban, et al).
I beg to differ. Bill Clinton defined Centrism. He ran on it and won. His wife ran on it and lost. Not sure where you've been since the 1980s but I was trying to be a democrat.
Hillary lost. Get over it. She ran a centrist campaign in a populist environment and got creamed by an ORANGE FUCKING CLOWN and you still can't see the relevance. She called the populist working class deplorable and sunk herself.
Get over it? Yah thanks I don’t care and I’m well aware. That doesn’t change that she had 2.9 million votes than the Oompa Loompa who won the electoral race. She called people worshipping him deplorable. Working class is not same/same with MAGA.
I'm left or accurately, left of center...what's bad about it, at least here in Canada is the self flagellation they want everyone to go thru..the extreme politically correct shit, the renaming of streets and squares because of (mostly inaccurate) assumptions of slavery relevance. Just one example.
I’ll agree that (like any group) the Left in America can become prone to its share of group-think. There are some issues that go critically unexamined. That, however, is really a function of any human group. So not much you can do about that other than trying to be a thought leader in that group.
The far left believes in the rights of human beings, the strength of the collective, and mutual reliance. “Selfish issues” you mean human rights, economic justice, and self determination?
That's childishly simplistic. How much moral responsibility do you assign to the parents of those children who - at least in some cases - chose lower premiums over quality coverage because bad things happen to other people? I hate insurance companies but...
You can have an opinion whether the murder was justified or not. It is still murder. What about me would suggest to you that I am in favor of child murder?
I consider myself to be a leftish moderate. Yet MAGA has gaslighted us into believing we all fit the extreme left narrative. There are definitely extremes on both sides.
There is no far-left in power or close to it. The far right, on the other hand, is mainstream and occupying the SCOTUS, Senate, House and soon to be Presidency.
The online far left....
Are not helpful to their own goals. Purists, hostage takers, nihilists, children. Never accomplished.
It's cute that you think "far-left" is as terrible as the maga nuts. I think maybe the centrists are the crazy ones, seeing as they are are the ones that actually get to pick and choose what serves them from both sides. Seems like you're just trying to stir shit up, and I'm not here for that.
I attended a PA Fair Districts conference this past weekend - and someone explained; the primary voters are usually the far R & far L voters. And this is how we've ended up with the reps we now have.
I vote for people aligned with my interests and against people who don't. Some people chose not to vote for Kamala, voted for Trump or Jill Stein or sat out entirely, only to discover Trump wants to pave over Gaza for hotels and deport American citizens.
IME the root cause of both is developmental delay, specifically in adolescence: the age when you discover the grownups are wrong about some things, so you assume they're wrong about everything; that you have all the answers; and you believe that 💯 because you can't process complexity.
You got me, man. I care far more about the people who can't afford housing, food, or medical care than I do about the good of the party. Politics isn't sports and I'm not a cheerleader. I guess surviving is a selfish issue to comfortable centrists.
Extremes can seem divisive, but there’s a difference: the far-left fights for healthcare, fair wages, and justice—lifting everyone up. The far-right often rolls back rights and concentrates power for a few. Let’s focus on progress that benefits us all!
Nope. That’s not the folks I’m talking about. And there is no difference between the folks that everyone else seems to easily understand I’m talking about.
I appreciate that. I absolutely am far more interested in fixing problems than I am in party loyalty. Selfish problems like genocide, or the deaths of those denied health care.
The last 8 years have made me realize I am definitely more middle ground than either side. Both go too far and cater more to their pride than the well being of anyone else.
you do know that the republican party is now the far right party and they’ve pulled the democratic party to the center right, right? and that there is no real leftist party of consequence? and the reason the dems lost is they pandered to republicans?
What party? Show me a worker's or labor party. Workers should vote for the master that doesn't use slurs over the one that does, doesn't make either choice good.
I think it's a fair question. These are confusing times. But one example that I've observed are the ones protesting the tragedy in Gaza, but they take it so far they are shouting terrorists propaganda and embracing antisemitism.
I detest anyone who I see as an extremist,tgey are usually selfish fucks,unbending and lack empathy,that goes to both ends of the political spectrum, all the far left do is damage our cause
My attitude is far left? You have clearly never met an actual leftist. The dem establishment is a milquetoast, pandering bunch of elites there to run interference for the right.
Most don't do community service, contact their representatives, get involved.
They come out full force during election season, blast Dems, come off as morally superiority, then quiet with the GOP. The far-left is only angry with Dems and complicit with the GOP.
Don’t even play that bullshit. The moment someone pulls the old “Who are they?? Do they even exist??” I know I’m not dealing with someone playing with a full deck.
Our politics are in fact SO PURE that any suggestion that the purity gets in the way of results will be deemed impure. When the purity is so pure that impurities can't even theoretically exist... purefection.
Fact. I simply can't take anyone seriously who pretends we don't have "far-left" extremists who label every perceived "misstep" some Goddamn "violation" of humanity lol.
Depending on what weird
incubation tube a fascist is spit out of they think people who want kids to be fed at school and to not have book bans are “radical left”. This is why we ask, these pejorative words are used by fascist propaganda systems and do not have agreed upon definitions. It’s no game
We will play that bullshit actually. The moment someone asks that person to define the far left or give examples and this kind of wanker response is what we get, I know I’m just dealing with a propaganda fed wet wipe and hasn’t any idea of what they chat about. I will play somewhere else, ya melt.
I can talk about this for hours. Every single practical solution to climate change is stymied by the movement because it is “accommodationist”, or “ignores the concerns of the global south”. It’s about emissions for fucks sake. Reducing emissions.
And then there’s the “No climate justice without freedom for Palestine” which literally took over COP29. The coalition who tried to promote their referendum at COP were literally called Nazis because they just want to stay out of ME politics and talk about emissions reductions.
How about, “we’ve got to dismantle capitalism in order to do anything about climate change”. My daughter is in a coalition trying to get a referendum up to set aggressive climate targets and literally 90% of the climate movement are calling them out for being “centrists”. Ridiculous.
I can tell you what my idea of far left or far right is, I don’t know that it’s necessarily a professional definition but I’m always willing to discuss it.
It was an offer, I wasn’t going to waste my time if you didn’t actually want to talk. Far right is easily Christian Nationalists, MAGA is overlapping with them. Far left are the people screaming they want men allowed in breast feeding help groups, people refusing to vote because of Gaza even though
I mean there is a difference. Far left wants the workers to have democratic control of the means of production, healthcare, education and retirement. The far right wants to kill nonwhite people. Libs tend to side with the far right based on history
And then there are self-righteous folks who have it good, aren't in any danger, haven't had anything happen to them, and are posturing about being the "normies."
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I hate losing friends and loved ones. I will always try to respect their views but it sucks when they can’t allow me my own opinions
Suck it up and vote against the worse one if you don’t want to live in a hellscape of your own making.
Common sense solutions will be popular with most Americans, regardless of party.
I just think our governments should look out for our best interests over and above the best interests of corporations.
Our problems are complex, but looking at them using the above simple proposition would undo a lot of the status quo, and start us on a good path.
According to them, I am a "far left radical" for expecting my government to make health insurance companies accountable so they stop ripping us off.
HRC lack of purity, according to many, painted a huge target on her. Thus donnie
Watch the hate I get.
Horror! Now donnie again
Right made Rittenhouse a hero
Left makes Manigone some kind of Robin Hood
🤷♂️😳🤔
Hissy fits when everyone doesn’t fall for their crap.
And yet you are, as all arrogant centrists, placed firmly within the status quo. And that status is conservative and reactionary which by definition is right wing.
My dude, I'm not even in America and even I know the two US parties are corporate centre-right Dems and foaming demagogue-fellating-right Republicans. All you've done with this tone-scolding concern-troll nonsense is illustrate that you're blinkered enough not to understand shit.
One side wants little girls to have babies, the other side wants them to have lunches...
Yeah, both just as bad. I blocked this waste of an account, I recommend everyone else do the same. Do not engage.
Far-left is by definition not selfish
Don’t scapegoat - reflect
The real problem is a shortage of people wanting and willing to do the right thing for everyone.
Centrists, sigh. They just keep losing and can't figure out why.
If dems really cared about ANYTHING left of center they wouldn't have so aggressively be trying to court christian nationalists (Moulton saying they need to abandon LGBT folks), the miltary industrial complex (aka the Cheneys), and oligarchs (Mark Cuban, et al).
The online far left....
Are not helpful to their own goals. Purists, hostage takers, nihilists, children. Never accomplished.
The far right is about to be in the White House, the Senate, and the House.
The right is based on nothing more than selfishness.
because right now there isn't one
I'm far left. The democrats stopped working for stuff like CIVIL RIGHTS.
Not the same thing or even two sides of the same coin
You're either militantly in favor of human rights or you're a collaborator with those who want to take them away.
We can criticize Bill as a C+ President.
He has faults. He fights, kept Gingrich at bay. We know Bill will play the game to his best to preserve our democracy.
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I see the far-left only complain. And throw everyone Dem under the bus. Whether it is Clinton, Obama, Biden, others.
Troll media and complain all day.
But if all they do is spend their energy attacking Dems with superiority, I consider that the far-left. Out of touch & empower the GOP and fascists.
The far-left is useless and destructive. Never accomplishing a damn thing. Only complaining. Never doing.
They come out full force during election season, blast Dems, come off as morally superiority, then quiet with the GOP. The far-left is only angry with Dems and complicit with the GOP.
The far-left is milquetoast.
Go play that game somewhere else.
incubation tube a fascist is spit out of they think people who want kids to be fed at school and to not have book bans are “radical left”. This is why we ask, these pejorative words are used by fascist propaganda systems and do not have agreed upon definitions. It’s no game
-The ones who bitch and complain, holding an air of superiority, fault find every chance they get while adding nothing of value.
-Unwilling to compromise. Hostage taking.
-Couch warriors
-Nihilists and accelerationists.
-The ones who play both-sides are the same
As opposed to just left? I’ll wait….
you use those things too, Jack.