I would prefer people who aren’t politicians and who keep major arteries of this country running continue to get paid especially with the holidays coming. But I do understand the sentiment
Don't want to see it while Biden is in the White House. But don't worry, the next Congress will be at the breach again soon and then it will all be on R's.
Mixed bag here. I think Democrats genuinely like Johnson as Speaker because he is willing to work with them. They are willing to give him some space now so he's on the other side of negotiations for the debt ceiling in a couple months.
Totally understand your thinking! We saved Johnson again. They were at war now all good ! We could have delayed Trumps agenda . Elon won ! Good news we didn’t give Trump debt ceiling but we will ! Dems too easily give in ! Federal worker here
I feel like the Republicans benefit when the government crashes and burns even when they’re the cause. A government shutdown is bad for the country and I don’t see any benefit for Democrats in letting bad things happen when they can prevent them.
It was Catch 22 because you know the GOP messaging would be that it was Dems fault. The electorate is so ignorant & disengaged they’d believe it. I do wish the pediatric cancer funding & drug caps had remained. Perhaps some bluff calling and 11th hour negotiating could have gotten us there.
Disagree, they wouldn't have been able to communicate it, Biden is still President, the transition is ongoing, and it would have given Trump the opportunity to "fix" it.
Once Trump (Musk) is actually POTUS, yes, let every bill fail.
An open government means Biden has 30 more days to get grants committed, and clean energy loans out of the LPO. People are rushing to get those out before inauguration, and cutting those off would have meant huge loss to communities.
Please don't. This sort of thing infantalizes the importance and nuance of legislative wins. The Dems got most of what they wanted. And government employees get a Christmas without anxiety.
If Republicans manage to avoid a shutdown in 3 months I agree with you, otherwise I think a March shutdown in Trump’s first 100 days is a bigger and more damaging story than this would have been (and a second shutdown then would be old news)
He isn't even in office so giving Trump two chances to shape a bill that should have been passed back in September because back then it would have been properly called the 2025 Budget...Well, it is giving Trump too much say on something that should have been Biden's to sign... back in September
Hakeem won the day - not by being angry or kicking anything - but by being slow, steady and on the side of truth - a genuine leader. I’m counting on him in the coming months to show Dems the way to win as he did today!
@jamellebouie.net HELL no that was the worst idea ever. it's not even about Biden looking good, he needs that extra month to get shit confirmed, and do whatever else he can to fucking help communities. a thousand times no.
and how the fuck can you even suggest fucking our troops on christmas?
But really, what were you hoping the Democrats would hold out for? And how does shutting down the last 30 days of the Biden administration advance any goals of the left?
Let the GOP burn it down. A lot of people ;(including myself)' will get burned. But let's make sure American is unable to avoid witnessing (and suffering through) what it has become.
I wanted Key Bridge aid for Baltimore. Glad it was included. Glad people have their jobs during the holidays. Proud of Dems for staying united as a minority against a fractured majority.
Democrats came to the rescue and this will be buried under headlines about Johnson, Musk, and Trump. The whole thing will be memory-holed by Christmas.
And we of course could trust the media to report on it fairly and accurately- there’s no way they’d have blamed Democrats and then declared Trump the hero of the working class when it eventually resolved as he’s walking into the Oval!
I like that 1. The Democrats saved Xmas for federal workers, veterans, children w cancer etc. and showed they care more about the ppl than playing games. 2. Biden gets the last 30 days of his government to do what he can. 3. Trump got nothing of what he wanted and exposed who is really in charge.
A shutdown would have caused short term pain, but the damage it could have done to Trump’s presidency before taking office would have potentially prevented a lot more pain in the long term by thwarting his agenda.
Takes like this are why progressives keep costing Democrats elections. Tone deaf to the very people who are leaving the Democratic Party. Working people who live paycheck to paycheck would have been the only ones to pay for this kind of foolishness. Stop it.
Contrary to worldwide ignorance, what we see "happening" in Palestine at this very moment is an attempted genocide that is funded by the taxpayers of the United States of America.
Republicans and Democrats pay for the genocide of Palestinian people.
#PAL4
You realize that, like, they also have to maintain their own health insurance while not getting paid, right? Including the ones who are being treated for cancer?
I don't believe that any benefit payments due to members of the public would be affected by the shutdown. If you're an employee, the next paycheck would be due on January 3rd, which creates plenty of time to pass a CR so staff get paid by then.
I'm glad that children's cancer research is a bridge you're willing to burn to collect a paycheck. Certainly not a sign of what's wrong with the world and this country in particular. But at least you get your pay! Doesn't matter how many fascists we compromise with as long as the checks keep coming.
There are a ton of last minute high impact climate things that need to get done - just to name a few friends are working on - the Solar for All program at EPA needs 50+ agreements signed to deliver $7bn to states, $5bn in EV programs at DOT, etc.
Ehh, I think the negative impact is roughly the same as one in 3 months. There might be a bit more anger towards the GOP now because of the holidays, but them shutting down 3 months into their unified control, while confirming appointees and raising the debt ceiling is just as bad for the GOP.
I get the hardball approach, and federal employees would eventually be OK, but the lower level contractors would get burned badly along with others. It’s not worth taking the option to hurt Republicans in this situation.
Agree. It would have been painful for my household, but I would have proudly endured if it meant republicans, President-elect musk and vp dumbo went down in flames.
Understand the sentiment, but as someone who would lose their paycheck and not be reimbursed, I hope that we can fight the battle elsewhere. Yes it would blowback worse for Rs than Ds, but I don't think we should use our voters' paychecks as political leverage.
Because of who Trump/Elon cult followers are, they would have believed Elon's and Trump's lies and propaganda that Democrats were to blame especially since Biden is president now. Hold the full on #resistance until Trump in in power. They will be fully to blame and we need to up our messaging game!
As much as I want to win the political game, the human game has more value. Easy to say burn it down when you won't be the one scorched. People have to get paid. Plus, I'm not sure that isn't playing into Elon's hands. The government running is normal and they don't want normal.
I think they should do it *at some point*, but not necessarily now. Once Republicans have control of both houses and President, with Musk/Trump wanting something different from the Freedom Caucus loons, they can stand aside and let the GOP light itself on fire.
And something else: while a shutdown leads some to blame a party, or both parties, I’m sure it leads others to ask, why not just get rid of congress? Congress is in the way of government. Why not make the trains run on time?
Not sure what the difference is between this shutdown and 4 years of raping democracy and canceling the government. It’s what project 2025 is all about.💙✌🏻🇺🇸
Same, however, In a rebuke to incoming President Musk and Vice President Trump, the House has voted. The bill does not suspend the debt limit, as Musk and Trump had wanted. The 34 no votes were all Republicans. They didn’t get what they were hoping for
Either way he’s more wealthier now than ever. I’m hoping the Dems can re-strategize for the long game because come end of Jan they will have no headway in anything. If this was any indication we now know there are at least 35 on the right with common sense…at least for now
Come end of Jan the House will be 219-215 with several lunatics on the GOP side, and bills on anything more contentious than apple pie, motherhood, and taxcuts for billionaires will need Dem votes to pass.
If the government shuts down, military and federal employees do not get paid but are still expected to go to work. At Christmas this can be a huge blow to families. One of the only things Democrats are hanging on to is being for the people (not all, but at least the good ones are trying)
Theoretically yes, but people like my husband who is a disabled Vet and my son who works Civil Service would not get paid. For a lot of people that would mean no money for food, rent, meds etc.
Ideally, but with Democrats still controlling the WH and Senate, that was always less likely. But, hell yeah, I’m pretty worried that Democrats don’t have it in them walk away from the Republican chaos vortex
Continually compromising, until campaign finance & the judiciary are so corrupted there's no way back
Pretending theyre making a Faustian bargain to protect the little guy, when their behavior over time shows leadership clearly DGAF and just wants to do insider trading & get lobbyist $$$
Jeffries at a minimum should have said "We refuse to let American children die from cancer, so Trump's foreign owner can take their money" and forced that concession to flex some muscle.
Yes. They negotiated in good faith with Johnson and had a deal, then Musk kicked up a fuss and Johnson reneged. That's bad and should not be rewarded by (checks notes) screwing with funding for pediatric cancer. Goddammit.
They held out for the best available outcome and got it.
As one of those "essential federal employees" ignored by the media, I appreciate that I'm not going to have to go without a paycheck through the holidays and can save that delight for sometime in March of next year.
I live in the DMV and going into a new year on a shutdown is awful. Almost everyone's income around here depends on the government in some form, whether it be as an employee, a contractor, or your services depending on the prior two spending money. Most are already uneasy about the next admin.
I've given more than 20 years of my life to the military and the federal government. Love knowing that half the country supports these people who openly think of me as dead weight returning no value to the public.
I was going to be a contractor until I could no longer work. My husband is a vet and worked as a contractor after separating from the military. He's lucky he's found a job that doesn't rely 100% on contracts anymore, but they do account for a lot of his work. We're worried.
People in this thread who are pointing out the practical consequences of a shutdown are correct to do so, but are also reinforcing the point. Politically, it would be a disaster for Trump and GOP for a shutdown. Could it hurt real people? Yes. Would people blame Trump? Also yes.
What. If you lived in DC during a shutdown when essential workers have to work or don’t get paid, you wouldn’t say that. At Xmas?? If we are the party of the little guy, go meet one who doesn’t get paid.
I honestly care less about the actual provisions of the bill compared to the fact they just rolled over due to the demands of a Nazi oligarch. Why are you letting him have an influence in this process??
I get it, but Dems still have POTUS/senate - media would've blamed them. GOP is incompetent & will probably cause a shutdown even when they control it all in 2025. A shutdown would simultaneously have been blamed on Dems & been seen as a Musk win. Better to force GOP to hold the hot potato next year
I see the point of this stunt by the GOP to try to get the Dems on board with removing the debt ceiling to enable Trump looting the treasuring and blasting the debt into the stratosphere. That failed.
Agree, but Maga knows that democrats really truly do not want Americans getting hurt and Maga do want Americans hurt as we see what they did to the bill, so it is EASY for Maga to punish everyone to get control!
It doesn't help. The enormous propaganda machine, Fox et al, spins it to make it the Democrats' fault & keeps repeating the spin in one voice, incessant chorus, until the disinformation becomes the only truth Trumpers will believe.
Trump shut the gvt B4, did they blame him? Do they even remember?
It didn't have to be a binary choice - this bill or shut down. Could have told them "we will vote yes on the original deal, and ONLY on the original deal. We'll stay through Xmas if that's what it takes. Fix your shit."
I’m in two minds, because letting it end immediately upon Trump’s inauguration would have looked bad politically, but in general I’m really worried Democrats are gonna accept “better than nothing” again and again until it gets pared down to “barely above nothing”
Come January 20, the Dems will have essentially no power in DC. They only become relevant if the GOP fractures, at which point they should demand concessions.
Letting your bluff be called on a shutdown (albeit during the worst time of a year for one) does not exactly bode well for your opponent's assessment of your negotiating position going into the threat of default
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And then Biden could have used emergency measures to keep it open... A heroic act
hand it to Trump and let Elonald personally, all alone shut it down
Well I do understand, that's loser shit and they are perpetual fucking losers.
Once Trump (Musk) is actually POTUS, yes, let every bill fail.
There'll be another chance soon enough, and Republicans will be in charge then, so the mess can be all theirs.
And only if it DID affect the rich.
Plus, pulling research funding for kids with cancer is now a stand alone piece of evil that should rightly get all the attention
Have we learned nothing? Can we stop going high now? How about if we start with the scrotum kicking?
and how the fuck can you even suggest fucking our troops on christmas?
Let the GOP burn it down. A lot of people ;(including myself)' will get burned. But let's make sure American is unable to avoid witnessing (and suffering through) what it has become.
We also know that the Republican lead house and senate will cause a government shutdown before 2026.
This was a temporary fix. A sad, wet bandaid.
Easy to shut things down when you don’t have skin in the game, and don’t care about people who do.
The half that doesn't affect my own life in any way.
Was it the right move? Feels good now.
Not sure if that translates forward.
My gut says yes…but my gut also just demanded a protein bar that tasted like SHIT so what does it know
A shutdown would have caused short term pain, but the damage it could have done to Trump’s presidency before taking office would have potentially prevented a lot more pain in the long term by thwarting his agenda.
Elon: now cut kids cancer research & other stuff for nothing in return.
Dems: ok.
Trump: And raise the debt ceiling.
GOP: Not now but in June we'll raise it by $1.5 trillion and also cut $2.5 trillion in spending.
Trump: ok.
Dems: We just stopped Elon and Trump and won big!
Contrary to worldwide ignorance, what we see "happening" in Palestine at this very moment is an attempted genocide that is funded by the taxpayers of the United States of America.
Republicans and Democrats pay for the genocide of Palestinian people.
#PAL4
Repubs found issues and 34 of them said NO last night
Could Dems not find ANYthing wrong with it to justify a NO vote and pin this solely on Repubs
Let folks work a bit more first.
In the meantime your thesis is validated: Trump is not politically invincible, even among House Rs
On the “bright side”, I’m sure this will happen again in the upcoming months or weeks.
democrats don’t want to feed dissent though
Pretending theyre making a Faustian bargain to protect the little guy, when their behavior over time shows leadership clearly DGAF and just wants to do insider trading & get lobbyist $$$
As one of those "essential federal employees" ignored by the media, I appreciate that I'm not going to have to go without a paycheck through the holidays and can save that delight for sometime in March of next year.
I've given more than 20 years of my life to the military and the federal government. Love knowing that half the country supports these people who openly think of me as dead weight returning no value to the public.
Trump shut the gvt B4, did they blame him? Do they even remember?
Play hardball. Fight like you aren't taking money from the same corrupt business people & you actually care about america
Republicans have the majority in the House
Let them figure it out
There's no upside with helping Trump do anything.
Seems to me it was the Republicans.