Trump and Vance didn’t chase him around the Oval Office the way Hitler and Goering chased Schusschnigg in the Berghof, so we at the NYT are NOT replicating our mistakes from 1938s. Everything IS fine.
Busy unengaged Americans who trust name brand media to tell them if something was actually wrong got phone notification headlines that Zelenskyy shouted at Trump and left the White House. We all saw the ambush and ejection, they will never know.
If we back Israel and Russia in their invasions, the unofficial, unspoken rule that the world has agreed to that says “you can’t attack the Americans on American soil” is gone. We cannot expect any nation to continue to honor that unofficial agreement if we do this.
If thousands of Ukrainians and Russians die because of this, historians will point the blame at J.D Vance. He came into this with a plan to derail Zelensky and it worked. He baited Zelensky and unfortunately Zelensky took the bait. A dark day for the world.
Zelensky is so relatable. I, too, would be at the end of my patience if I was a war-hardened leader being talked down to by a convicted felon, rapist, and soft boi. Apply the categories as needed.
Today Zelensky was gang rated by Vance and Trump and then to top it off Lindsay Graham had to get his dogs in and accuse the Ukranian President of being insulting to the two schmucks who threw him out of the Oval Office.
I do not see a way out of this situation for the US. Trump will usher in an alliance with Russia and mimic their grip on all portions of our government and society. We will bow in fealty, or be eliminated.
Likely they’ll reconstruct a meme that says: Biden take egg. Thereafter they’ll leave the planet, shrug their tentacles and write a report saying we deserved it.
SON: Dad, what happened to the people who invented jazz?
HISTORY BUFF DAD: Uh, why don't you go into the holo-pornography chamber until you're not worried about it anymore?
Voting to keep Trump out of office was the easiest, most obvious thing in the world and we couldn't even do that, there won't be any easier paths...there's no way forward but down. It's optimistic to think there will be archeologists in the smoldering heap of our future.
People still cosplay as Romans, so I guess maybe we’ll live on as pantomime and a warning to the next empire that falls under the weight of its own stupidity.
Based on this, Zelenskyy is the only person with agency in this situation. According to the NYTimes, Trump and Vance have no influence on the course of their meeting.
They call that "Make America Great Again". It's about bringing back stuff of the past they like, like nazis, measles and the Russian Empire.
What will be next ? Slavery, witch hunts and burning, child brides and polygamy, lynch mobs, the plague, clysters and bleeding as panacea, rotary telephones ?
I think the NYT and WaPo may be fucked, this is an outlier take among even a lot of legacy journalism outfits. Heck, I mistook Timothy Snyder for a psychotherapist for a moment on NPR for his take down of POTUS and VPOTUS in contrast to normative adult behavior.
No, we deserve the harshest possible judgment and condemnation of future generations.
Our current national identity is as a global embarrassment. We are a punchline to an unfunny joke, and — by all rights — that’s how we ought to be remembered.
Nah, humanity is as stupid as it always has been, we just have more shoulders to stand on. We've taught virtue for 4000 years, but all they will remember is humans never learn. And then they will make the same mistakes we did. Until the next species comes along.
Stop the big mouthed talk at least whilst your president tries to blackmail a country with sacrificing them to the ruSSians. Wear a paper sack with slits for vision for the next years when you continue to do nothing
You got the wrong cat, man. I've been rabidly anti-republican since Reagan, forty years ago. I left Texas voting with my feet, I'm in a blue democratic state, and may be moving to Mexico. I have neither the power or influence to change 1/2 of the U.S. Maybe try bothering Elon's boys on Twitter.
That's exactly the problem, you refuse responsibility, you refuse to consider what the left has failed to arrive at this situation, and now you refuse to do anything. You won't even do a strike or something 👋
It's not "humanity" that committed heinous treason of Budapest Memorandum and democracy as such yesterday, it's the real estate con man and his gang you elected.
It's not humanity staying silent, hunker down cowardly and searching lame excuses, it's the "blue" Americans.
Quite frankly, I think at this point I think it’s just going to come down to individual writers’s alliances more than ever. These fascist, self-destructive, psychotic fucking crap is bad for EVERYBODY from any even REMOTELY fucking long-term
perspective. The only reason for a writer/journalist to not call it out is if they’re a bootlicker for Trump, Musk, Putin, etc.. Nobody’s going fucking want to work with or ally with us anymore, and the countries that WOULD are already failing goddamn shitholes right now!!!
Very weird that they omitted the fact that the reporter that was asking Zelenskyy about his outfit is Marjorie Taylor Greene’s boy toy. Everything was a planned ambush.
I am considering this a hopeful sign. The guy who left this comment is a Trump voter who is horrified by this. It has over 1.2K likes. If he's losing people like this, there is hope.
I have such little hope i havent seen any trump supporter in my life turn on him. Until i see evidence i have a hard time believing that his brain dead morally corrupt zombies can change. I think they will need to suffer a lot more directly to care. They have no empathy so until they are hurt.
I've seen a few. I've also seen one who still supports Trump, but is convinced Elon Musk is doing all the horrible things behind his back. Modern day if only the czar knew about this at its finest. At least he opposes this crap I guess.
President Donald J. Trump, who I do not support, was absolutely right to publicly berate an ungrateful shitlib warmonger like Zelenskyy for eagerly provoking an invasion by his neighbor President Putin, who I also do not support.
That framing is garbage. But yeah of course. The NYT. I look forward to next week’s hard hitting “here why these Ohio diner patrons have had enough of Ukraine” expose. God we’re a farce
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I hope the Ukraine never again wastes its time with the USA
Why can’t we judge him now?
You're missing the story. I know you know that.
Soon you're going to be missing your subscribers.
It's gonna be so ugly.
Well and truly.
Treason that will not be forgotten.
SON: Dad, what happened to the people who invented jazz?
HISTORY BUFF DAD: Uh, why don't you go into the holo-pornography chamber until you're not worried about it anymore?
Get foreign policy made for TV
What will be next ? Slavery, witch hunts and burning, child brides and polygamy, lynch mobs, the plague, clysters and bleeding as panacea, rotary telephones ?
Our current national identity is as a global embarrassment. We are a punchline to an unfunny joke, and — by all rights — that’s how we ought to be remembered.
It's not humanity staying silent, hunker down cowardly and searching lame excuses, it's the "blue" Americans.
They still can’t or won’t look the nature of the Trump junta in the face.
by Glenn Greenwald
It’s just inconceivable to me that anyone could have watched that meeting and genuinely come to that conclusion.
"Strongman summons head of client state to his office for ritual humiliation, gets more than he bargained for"
Go fuck yourself New York Times.