Because I will always repeat this when we see measles circulating again: if you were born 1957-1972 and did attend college or 1957-1987 and didn't attend college, you should get your MMR immunity tested with a simple lab test or one adult dose of MMR booster if your insurance won't cover labwork. - ThreadSky

rahaeli.bsky.social • 372 days ago

Because I will always repeat this when we see measles circulating again: if you were born 1957-1972 and did attend college or 1957-1987 and didn't attend college, you should get your MMR immunity tested with a simple lab test or one adult dose of MMR booster if your insurance won't cover labwork.

Reposted from Ars Technica

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ladymarm.bsky.social•372 days ago

I get to have my shingles done this year finally, so I need to remember to ask her to check all my titers also.

ezbenson.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Wait, what? I’m just a stupid shit-poster but what? Measles infections can go to school? More proof that Trump and his crew are searching for a huge problem.

rahaeli.bsky.social•8 hours ago

They added the second shot to the schedule in 1989 but a lot of people's pediatricians didn't catch them up, so they discovered when providing proof of vaccination for college enrollment that they needed the second shot. Without that prompt from college, a lot of people never got it.

rahaeli.bsky.social•8 hours ago

(The reason I say "1987" rather than 1989 is the second dose is supposed to be at 2 years old, so if you were older than 2 then, your doctor may not have caught you up.)

rahaeli.bsky.social•8 hours ago

I was one of the people who discovered at enrollment time that I never got the second dose! And then the doctor who gave it to me didn't record it in the state system, so I had to get another dose 7 years later for the attempt at college that finally stuck, heh.

patrick-ohlson.ms-dot.net•8 hours ago

This is all so weird, for us looking from the outside😔🤗

rahaeli.bsky.social•8 hours ago

I'm almost positive Sweden didn't add the second dose of MMR until the mid-90s when the WHO recommendations changed; the US was one of the first countries that switched from 1 to 2 doses.

kwangger.bsky.social•3 hours ago

According to my records I got mmr in 2019. Don’t remember why but at least now I don’t need to worry about it.

keffy.bsky.social•372 days ago

I'm in the second group and did attend college, but iirc, there wasn't another booster or titre check, they just were like, do you have paperwork? Cool.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

Oof! Most colleges in that time period did require documentation (I had to get a MMR booster to enroll because I'd never gotten my second). I would definitely get it checked now to make sure you don't need one because your immunity has waned.

keffy.bsky.social•372 days ago

I think I did get a booster in 89 iirc, but it's been long enough that checking has been on my to do list... It's just a long list

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

I absolutely feel you

needmorecoffee.bsky.social•357 days ago

Something I forgot to say before in my tested and newly vaccinated post is that I'm in the groups that probably don't need to be tested and I still flunked Mumps and Rubella.

rahaeli.bsky.social•357 days ago

I honestly thing we should be checking MMR titers every 10 years when people do TDAP boosters. There's enough people that mount an immune response but only short term that it's worth finding them! We've relied on herd immunity and low circulation for so long and it's gonna be a rude awakening

lucykemnitzer.bsky.social•357 days ago

The last time I got my covid shot the pharmacist just straight up offered me an MMR booster because it had probably been long enough.

(Puzzled by people saying no MMR available before 1971 because I know I had it. Also the R didn't take or wore off by 1978 & I spent my 1st pregnancy terrified)

rahaeli.bsky.social•357 days ago

Yeah, 1971 was the combo shot. Measles was approved in 1963, mumps in 1967, rubella in 1969. MMR combo shot was 1971, MMRV (+ chickenpox) in 2005. (I have done a ridiculous amount of research on approval dates because of this voluntary vaccine education side gig I've picked up, lol)

lucykemnitzer.bsky.social•357 days ago

I thought that was it. I remember gettinng each vaccine as it came out. Actually got both polio vaccines.

mbbrownsf.bsky.social•371 days ago

Thank you. This thread has a ton of good information. Been procrastinating scheduling my shingles shots, will stop procrastinating and add measles and pertussis to the list.

rahaeli.bsky.social•370 days ago

Hooray!

ftmshepard.bsky.social•370 days ago

As someone who was mmr vaccinated do I need a shingles vax

niq.aeli.net•370 days ago

MMR is unrelated to shingles. Did you receive the varicella vaccine in your childhood schedule? If yes, you don’t need to worry about the shingles vaccine, you’re protected already.

niq.aeli.net•370 days ago

If you didn’t receive it in childhood and you have never had chickenpox, then you can receive the varicella vaccine now as an adult. If you had chickenpox, then you’ll want to wait until your and your doctor agree you should get the shingles vaccine. (The standard schedule is 50, I think.)

niq.aeli.net•370 days ago

Or possibly later, I don’t remember. Anyway, the reason for delaying the shingles vaccine for people who’ve had chickenpox until later in life is that they aren’t sure yet how long the coverage from it lasts and whether boosters will have similar efficacy as the original.

curtosis.bsky.social•370 days ago

Good for you! I’m stopping by to be especially encouraging on the shingles shots. I was a year short of eligibility when it got me (in a particularly rare and nasty form) and now, 4 years on, still have lingering nerve pain.

(And I’m gonna get my measles vax updated next.)

gordon227.bsky.social•372 days ago

So many people don't realize how dangerous measles is. My grandfather's two oldest sisters died of measles, five days apart -- ages 17 and 20. It's not just a disease of little kids, and it's not just "a low fever and a rash" (like I heard one nitwit call it).

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

The success of vaccination for some diseases is making people lose their fucking minds, I swear

legalminimum.bsky.social•372 days ago

“Low” fever? I had both the Ms as a kid. I remember measles. I was 103 degrees for 2 weeks. Do not recommend.

Explanation: for reasons relating to small town Canada in the 1970s I didn’t get MMR because they were worried I would somehow infect my mother through a skin rash on her hands.

ed3d.net•372 days ago

Mumps vaccine is one of the less effective ones apparently; I got it in my mid twenties and it was literally the worst week of my life

legalminimum.bsky.social•372 days ago

The actual disease is, I would guess, a fuckton worse. I had it when I was 3 so don’t remember but that’s my guess. For measles I made it to 15 before it ran like a hot knife through butter in my boarding school. School nurse took one look and noped out. It became Lord of the Flies in Sick Bay.

ed3d.net•372 days ago

Sorry, that’s what I meant, we all got deliriously sick and swollen up like stoplights because of like a 15% failure rate on the vaccine

ultragotha.bsky.social•372 days ago

I've had more MMR vaccines than your average bear.

The usual in childhood. Then a family friend got mumps when I was about 10 so I had it again.

Then I topped up a few years ago during the measles outbreak in New York.

I the side effects were very mild.

ed3d.net•372 days ago

(Something like six people from a grad student’s party at Tufts all got it and nobody really even tried to connect the dots, in hindsight surprising? But also not)

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

It is so very common for mumps outbreaks at colleges that some colleges are recommending a third dose of MMR for the increase in mumps prevention (and I think we'll see a third dose added to the schedule eventually!)

lauredhel.bsky.social•372 days ago

Those people need to have their eyelids propped open to watch the entire illness course of a person with subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.

ejpratt40.bsky.social•372 days ago

As someone who had a half dose as a kid and and had mumps, I highly recommend this course of action.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

They added an additional dose of MMR to the childhood schedule in the US in 1989, and a lot of people's pediatricians didn't catch them up after if they didn't have to prove their vaccinations for college. (It's also possible for measles immunity to wane over time.)

archangelbeth.bsky.social•371 days ago

So if I got my shots in 1998, I'm probably fine? 😅

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

Probably, but make sure you got both doses!

archangelbeth.bsky.social•371 days ago

I... can't recall! The doctor knew that I was correcting my sire's antivax issues, and I know I had to come back because she told me I couldn't get a polio shot after she'd checked with the CDC. So there were two visits.

josephinerobertson.com•372 days ago

Yeah I was born 77 and needed a booster when I went to college so I suspect the born range is later than 72?

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

They changed the schedule to add the second dose in childhood in 1989, so for most people born 1972-1987 it depends on how alert your pediatrician was. Most colleges required proof of two doses so a lot of folks in that range got their second dose when enrolling, but not everyone.

very-simple.com•371 days ago

I definitely didn't get a second dose then, but I went to college in 1992, so it may have been close enough the change in protocol that it wasn't updated yet.

(as mentioned before, I *did* get them all later for travel-based reasons)

princejvstin.com•371 days ago

when I enrolled in College in 1989, they made me get several vaccinations on that basis, yeah.

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

Yup, ditto! It was annoying for me because my records were a mess thanks to spotty health care as a kid.

rainbowwar71.bsky.social•371 days ago

I had to get a measles shot to start grad school.

niq.aeli.net•371 days ago

Some places require 2 doses *after* 1 year of age; born 1985 and I actually had documentation of 2 doses, but I was six months old for the first dose, so ASU wouldn’t accept it. (I said fuck it and got the booster that day from them rather than fight with bloodwork for the titers.)

mostlybree.kitrocha.com•371 days ago

Is this why they came into my high school and gave us all MMR shots in 1995??? I went to a private school & had always assumed it was just a thing, then other people I talked to didn't have it happen.

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

Yes, probably! Or there was a mumps outbreak -- the mumps vaccine really should be on a different schedule than measles and rubella, alas, but a lot of public health agencies will boost widely during an outbreak to raise the VE.

totallydonna.kitrocha.com•371 days ago

I had to get my extra MMR dose summer of '95 before starting college in the fall.

josephinerobertson.com•371 days ago

Same! Got tetanus at the same time "because you don't know what those college students will get up to" 😂

stinaleigh.bsky.social•371 days ago

There was a scare one year I was in college ('90-'94) where the school did a vaccination drive so I got my second then.

codenameminali.bsky.social•371 days ago

that explains why I got the booster in '94 (I'd thought it was earlier, but when they were discussing titration a few years back, I called my old pediatrician's office to check)

aside: that booster hurt like hell, but it was so worth it.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

Not every insurance will cover the blood test, so it's common for doctors to just say screw it and give you the extra booster (which is covered) instead. Either way, the US population is under herd immunity thresholds in 100% of the country. Protect yourself and check your immunity!

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

(Also, if it's been more than 8 years since your last TDAP booster, get that as well. Pertussis is on the rise too.)

jonquil.bsky.social•372 days ago

Tetanus lurks everywhere!

eventsforgood.bsky.social•371 days ago

CDC says every 10 years, not 8, unless you are pregnant.

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

The CDC also says you can end isolation 5 days after you test positive for COVID even if you're still testing positive, so it's not like they're grounded in reality. The schedule for TDaP is 5 years when you have risk factors for tetanus or pertussis is circulating.

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

If you tell people "10 years" they will round up badly. "8 years" catches the rounding up and the people who should be getting boosters every 5 years, and TDaP is one of the lowest risk boosters you can get.

neolithicsheep.bsky.social•371 days ago

Yeah I'm on the five year schedule because farmer

ibumichele.bsky.social•372 days ago

Seriously. Is had been a while since my last booster and we were in Manila and I got to tell you that is a cough you do not want to go through.

bravolimapoppa.bsky.social•372 days ago

As an adult who caught pertussis because he thought his vaccines from college protected him, please for the love of God get the vaccine.

It sucked horribly and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

kensey.bsky.social•370 days ago

I read an article not that long back by a writer who had just gotten pertussis as an adult. “Whooping cough” sounds not-that bad, but the reality described in the article was pretty horrible. https://newrepublic.com/article/115551/jenny-mccarthy-anti-vaccination-movement-blame-whooping-cough

bravolimapoppa.bsky.social•370 days ago

Spot on description of symptoms.
Never vomited (iron jaw), but everything else is spot on.

rds773.bsky.social•372 days ago

Yes

My spouse caught it when his booster wore off and it was fucking terrifying

chryssf.bsky.social•372 days ago

But college was just yesterday...(checks calendar)...I hate linear time.

seawall.bsky.social•98 days ago

OK, uh, I'm doing the math... My kid turns 8 in December, I definitely got 💉 while pregnant and he got all his recommended by the schedule in NZ in his first 4 years.

But now this is happening 😬
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/534519/new-zealand-declares-whooping-cough-epidemic

seawall.bsky.social•98 days ago

Wait, I also stepped on a rake about four or five years ago and saw the doctor... Do they give tetanus shots alone for that or is it all TDAP/DTAP... Aaaah, I don't remember, I hate this 😩

rahaeli.bsky.social•98 days ago

I don't know if NZ uses the Tdap or the Td (or if it's luck of the draw) for tetanus boosters! Ask your doc to check your records I guess

lolalolajoaquin.bsky.social•1 day ago

Just do the TDAP. easy peasy and all bases covered.

outseide.bsky.social•371 days ago

That is what happened to me, except my insurance is shit and I had to pay for the vaccine too. Worth it!

ngaio.bsky.social•372 days ago

If you're in the UK it's worth asking your GP surgery if you need a top up. I was offered it a few years ago when attending for a different matter due to my age/what jabs of received as a child. I think the NHS is trying to make sure people are covered where they may be a gap/drop in effectiveness.

corvuscoax.bsky.social•371 days ago

Every infectious disease in the world laughs at the US health care system.

ckshowalter.bsky.social•372 days ago

I had to boost in 2019 during one of the Texas outbreaks because Dad had cancer, and my doc was hemming and hawing about the need for a titer test.

Doc, I get it, but I’m not bringing measles home on an emergency visit.

bluebelletrist.bsky.social•371 days ago

I had measles (both kinds!) when I was a kid (1963/64). Had to be tested for grad school and was confirmed immune. But would a booster be a good safeguard?

rahaeli.bsky.social•370 days ago

If grad school was more than 20-25 years ago, get the immunity checked!

bluebelletrist.bsky.social•370 days ago

Nope, this was 8 years ago. But I may get a booster when my physical rolls around, just to be safe.

passeriform.bsky.social•372 days ago

I had both measles and rubella 60 years ago. Do I need a top-up?

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

It's still a good idea to get your titers checked to make sure, because immunity can wane later in life, but you're probably okay!

passeriform.bsky.social•372 days ago

It itched so much. My mom was worried and still angry at my father for not seeming to be 50 years later.

racheline.bsky.social•370 days ago

Yes! I was in college in 90-94 and I did not have another MMR booster for that. Got mine checked and upped when I did a bunch of travel vaccines a few years ago

librarybunny.bsky.social•370 days ago

Hmmm…though Mom knew I was vaccinated for MMR, our old doc died and the records never transferred, so I got another MMR in 1991 for college. Should I get tested?

racheline.bsky.social•370 days ago

You’re probably okay, but if you’ve had Covid (which can mess with past immunity) I’d mention it at your next check-up

hersheykiss.com•8 hours ago

This is why I hate being born in 1956. I can’t be sure my parents got me vaxed but I also have some memory of my mom telling me I had measles.

rahaeli.bsky.social•4 hours ago

This is what they made titer tests for!

lysapadin.bsky.social•3 hours ago

The horrified sound I made when I read that headline...! Good fucking god.

Got my TDaP on Monday! In retrospect, that's probably why I felt like I got run over by the fatigue semi Monday night, lol.

travelincatdoc.bsky.social•372 days ago

hmm this seems to leave out those born pre 57…

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

If you were 6 or older in 1963 when the first measles vaccine was released, you're considered to have what's known as "presumptive immunity" aka "we presume you had it" because of how widespread it was. If you know you didn't have it or are uncertain, get your titers checked or get a vaccine!

marag.bsky.social•372 days ago

I'm just...stunned? No, furious is a better word. Anyway, I'm incandescent with rage at how cavalier Florida "health" officials are being about a virus that's pretty much the most contagious thing out there. A virus that we can prevent with a few doses of an incredibly safe vaccine.

marag.bsky.social•372 days ago

I know I got my booster in college, because it was a clusterfuck that caused me to spend a day sitting in the campus health center. And I had my titres checked when I was pregnant. Of course, my kids have gotten every dose of every vaccine they're eligible for. I wish I could help the kids in FL.

mudshark58.bsky.social•371 days ago

Was wondering about that. I turned 5 in 1963 and I know I did have both mumps and measles. I don't specifically recall a vaccination following that, but I was called to the Health Center after I went back to school in the 1990s -- it had been long enough that they wanted me to have a new MMR shot.

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

Yeah, it's a rule for populations as a whole but individuals can always be exceptions, so people who are right near the cutoffs often should behave differently!

aliendial.bsky.social•371 days ago

My neighborhood in the 50’s/early 60’s had all the diseases, and since all the kids played with each other we just passed them around. So glad that’s no longer the playbook (except in Florida…)(and antivaxxing families and and.. sigh)

travelincatdoc.bsky.social•372 days ago

is "had it" considered to be lifetime immunity? asking for a friend hehe

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

For most people, yes, but it's still worth checking with the blood test if you can!

rds773.bsky.social•372 days ago

Get your titers checked and find out for sure!

btwnthesepages.bsky.social•372 days ago

There is an assumption that people born pre 1957 had measles and therefore do not need the vaccine. If anyone you know has born before 1957 and did not have measles then they should get checked like everyone else. People who HAD measles should still be fully protected.

dvandom.bsky.social•372 days ago

Yep, added it to my checklist of things to bring up at my next doctor's appointment.

kimberlydairine.bsky.social•371 days ago

is the "attended college" because colleges generally require boosting vaccines?

rahaeli.bsky.social•371 days ago

Yes, most schools required documentation of the two doses. It's a broad rule, though, and it's worth checking your titers anyway even if you're outside the windows.

atomicshrub.bsky.social•372 days ago

I was born in the 80s, received two childhood doses of MMR, and got my titres checked at 30 when I started working in a frontline health service. Zero measles immunity. Got another booster, but I’m terrified to check again and potentially find out I’m a non-responder

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

Ughhhhh. I hope for your sake that's not the case!

atomicshrub.bsky.social•372 days ago

Yeah I really do not want measles

sagenatural.bsky.social•372 days ago

I had them in a relatively mild way given the spectrum of options and... yes, you definitely do not want them.

sagenatural.bsky.social•372 days ago

xanboni.bsky.social•355 days ago

This is me. Please do this. I caught measles in a hospital when my daughter was born, despite being vaccinated as a child. We both nearly died. Please make sure all of your vaccines are up to date.

kalidestroyer.bsky.social•372 days ago

Local health departments can give these vaccines, in Michigan at least, insurance or not. When COVID vac became available, I got mine there and then gradually got all my other vaccinations updated.

kerenlavelle.bsky.social•356 days ago

What if you had measles in childhood?

alizinha.bsky.social•372 days ago

Thank you so much for sharing this crucial info! I'm sharing this with everyone I know.

tyrotcm.bsky.social•372 days ago

What about earlier years? Trying to convince a parent to get titer checked.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

If you were 6 or older in 1963 when the first vaccine was approved you are presumed to be immune from having had it as a child. If they know they didn't or can't remember if they did, get the titers checked.

tyrotcm.bsky.social•372 days ago

He's had it, but a long long time ago.

One of his brothers is deaf in one ear from measles. He's a musician.

elsieyork.bsky.social•372 days ago

This is important in the UK too (where there are also measles outbreaks) and the NHS is encouraging people to get MMR vaccination from their GP.

(I don’t know if titer checks is a thing in UK.)

(I know you shared John Walton’s posts too.)

brechtgies.bsky.social•1 day ago

What is the connection between college and vaccination?

rahaeli.bsky.social•1 day ago

The extra dose of MMR was added to the schedule in 1989: many people's pediatricians didn't catch them up, so colleges began requiring documentation of 2 doses to enroll. A lot of people in that window therefore got their second dose at 18 when going to college.

lizamazel.bsky.social•9 hours ago

oh. hm. maybe I am covered then. but fuck it, no harm in getting the booster anyway, neh?

lizamazel.bsky.social•9 hours ago

i can't remember a goddamn thing about requirements for uni, least of all whether booster vax was part of it. it doesn't feel right. but that was long and long ago

rahaeli.bsky.social•8 hours ago

Yeah, if the state you were living in at the time doesn't have a central registry a doctor can look it up in, get the titers checked or get a booster. We're already at 1/3 of the total 2024 measles cases and it's fucking February.

brechtgies.bsky.social•1 day ago

Wow that must mean a lot of adults in the USA have really low titres.

rahaeli.bsky.social•1 day ago

Hence why I am so diligent about reminding people to get checked! Many countries have the same problem, though, it's not just the US.

mediapathic.bsky.social•372 days ago

This is exactly the weirdly precise information I needed, thank you.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

I am a huge fan of checking titers even if you're outside that window (especially if you're older, since the pre-1957 date is just *presumptive* immunity) but you should definitely check at least once as an adult if you're in that window! We did ours right before travel to a measles-endemic region.

lenorarose.bsky.social•372 days ago

I believed in checking titers after getting Rubella as a fully vaxxed adult despite being too young for that precise window. I wasn't pregnant so it was thankfully a relatively painless experience but it was a goodwarning.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

Also, I've now added to the thread -- if it's been more than 8 years since your last TDAP booster, get one of those, too; pertussis is also on the rise.

tigana99.bsky.social•372 days ago

As someone who is allergic to the pertussis vaccine, please get vaccinated. I didn't use to have to worry about getting whooping cough and I'm so mad that we've let it make a comeback.

eternalcatwar.bsky.social•372 days ago

I checked my hepatitis titers a few years ago and boosted, turns out I wasn’t as protected as I thought I was. I work with human blood, and the screening’s never as good as you think it is.

rahaeli.bsky.social•372 days ago

Amen! My wife just finished a second round because she had it 25 years ago and also works with human blood and the newer vaccines have a meaningfully higher VE over the old ones

amybutmoreso.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes!

aj-finch.bsky.social•356 days ago

this is a bit confusingly worded, do you have another version I can share with my neighbors? Or some sources they can check for more info?

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

With the usual caveat about the CDC being a compromised source of public health information, they have a checker (https://www2.cdc.gov/nip/adultimmsched/ ) and the adult immunization schedule (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fvaccines%2Fschedules%2Feasy-to-read%2Fadult.html )

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

The issue is that anyone born 1957-1987 was vaccinated under the old schedule, which called for a single dose of MMR in infancy. They added a second dose at age 2 in 1989, but anyone who was older than 2 in 1989 didn't necessarily receive that 2nd dose: it depended on your childhood pediatrician

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

*Most* people born 1972 through 1987 who went to college were required to document both doses of MMR to enroll in college, so a lot of people in that age range who hadn't had both doses got the second dose at age 18 for college enrollment.

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

But it depends on the college and how fast they updated their vaccination requirements to reflect that enrolling students needed two doses of MMR. Given that overall vaccination rates for measles are below the herd immunity threshold in 100% of the country, checking your immunity is a good idea.

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

The number of measles outbreaks happening right now is significantly higher than usual (there's always a few every year, but this is a really high number and the number of individual cases in every outbreak is likewise high). Checking your immunity is a simple way to protect yourself.

kauantai.bsky.social•356 days ago

Unless you're an immigrant, in which case the anti-vaxx hotbed insists you get all the vaccinations, x-rays to see if you've got TB (even if you're from a country with a lower pop than yours and close to no cases)...

Yeah, you know, goal posts

cmraman.geek.org•356 days ago

I didn’t get MMR as a child as it didn’t exist until 1971. According to my childhood vaccination records I got one dose each of the separate vaccines. And I started college in 1988, so before the updated requirements. Should I be concerned?

rahaeli.bsky.social•356 days ago

If you've had one dose each of the separate vaccines, the recommendation is for one MMR booster dose in adulthood unless you have a specific counterindication!

cmraman.geek.org•356 days ago

Okay, will mention this to my doctor next time I see her.

obi-dawn.bsky.social•8 hours ago

And now those links are just two different 404 messages. Sigh.

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