Fleeing is exactly what bullies want you to do. IMHO they yearn for the exhaustive reactions of their targets and if the panic reactions stop they'll have nothing to feed on and a good majority will disappear.
I like it how the corporate media just treats it as normal that people are contemplating fleeing their home country for fear of persecution by the felon’s regime.
Yes, let's just turn and run. The only way to contain Trump is to be here, on the ground, standing firm. So let's leave that to somebody else and enjoy Belize.
1) People who have the means are going to leave, make themselves and their families safe, and watch to see if there's an organized, productive opposition worth joining.
There's a stunning lack of leadership and organization on our side of the aisle. Social media posts don't count.
2) The threats are real, not imagined. Complaining about people moving to make themselves safer ought not to be the first response. That should be: where the hell are our leaders?
Give me a fucking break. All of these people have the resources to weather whatever bullshit is coming. Try being a human being and helping those who can't.
The people the US really needs to worry about are law Enforcement and military. If they decide their politics, ideology or pay check are more important than an oath then …… pray for them to value ethics, morals and honour.
I've been planning to retire overseas for many years. This election has made me think about moving plans ahead ahead a few years. Were I a billionaire, I would live all over the world. I don't plan to disengage. I just want to be out of the ugliness for a while, if that's possible anywhere.
Well, Trump explicitly threatened to come after them with the DOJ in his campaign. I mean the only silver lining in their plan to mass fire federal employees who don’t sign loyalty pledges and do his bidding without question is that it could render those agencies so understaff they’d be ineffective.
How about Reid just gives me 100 million or so and I'll stay here and fight the fucking fascists for him so he can be safe to come back some day and continue to make billions?
Not entirely fair. It’s self preservation for some. I ended up in the hospital after that jerk was elected the first time. Pericarditis…enlargement of the sac around my heart. All due to stress.
To be honest, he & many others should be worried. Trump & Pam Bondi will be investigating leading Democratic politicians, liberal donors, & media figures who don't "bend the knee."
There are so many variables in a situation like this. The biggest liability could well be a failure of imagination. Thinking “it couldn’t happen here” has doomed many people throughout history. It’s always better to have a plan and decide what events would drive you to leave before it’s too late.
We are now in a repeat of 1930’s Germany. Those who could got out of Germany. They knew what was coming. But not the severity of what actually happened. We to see what’s coming. But underestimate the severity of what the Republicans are going to unleash on America. All the norms have vanished.
If you have the means to leave a country you view as on the brink, is morality a reason to stay? Is it wrong not to support your country when you think it’s led by people who are selfish and ignorant? Truly curious.
I’m not a billionaire, but I’ve thought about it. My mom lives in Italy & have considered the move there to get some rest & not have to work as hard as here. Working since I’ve been 12 and I’m tired. Add on Trump, it’s a strong push towards sell everything in 2 yrs and retire at 50.
Forget that he is worth billions of dollars. His reaction is not dramatic. It’s an acceptance of reality. It’s where most of us losing voters are living, in reality.
Hence, leaving the USA is an appropriate response, now.
If I had the money I would at the very least help my trans daughter leave this country and the hate coming her way. Remember when the fascists and bigots kept their heads down? Now they’re loud and proud with their hate. And their violence - implied or real. Not everyone can live with the hate
This. Anyone likely to be rounded up by jack booted thugs should have plans just in case. And make sure your Trump loving pals know what propaganda is coming so when they spout that shit, you can remind them that they claimed it wouldn't happen.
Don't be quick to judge. this is something I am hearing from many people. very dark times are coming. and the heads of corporations have very good intel. he may be able to fight more effectively from another country. we don't know yet, what we don't know.
Sorry, no surprise to see Americans fleeing abroad with the onset of Trump and his promised reign of terror. Expect the hack he hires as AG to go after any and all who Trump targets. Keep it up, we'll get another civil war yet.
Honestly, I kinda get it. One of the first things the Nazis did was make it difficult to leave. Later, of course, they made it impossible for large groups of people.
I’m not really scared for myself, I’m scared of having to watch a horror show because Trump is not a funny joking around type guy and he’s sadistic as hell.
That’s sad because we need people like him now more than ever, but his departure is also a sign of immense privilege. Most of us do not have the option to move overseas.
He'll be more useful alive and out of the country. He'll likely support anti-trump measure from afar and continue to vote blue. Certain people have giant targets on their back and I don't blame them for leaving.
Oh come on what? Why wouldn’t people with options want to get away from a people hell bent on destroying themselves, everyone around them and their country. 🤷🏻♀️💔
Exactly! We all enjoyed "resisting", marching, and getting all shouty about our rights when we had the upper hand, but there's a turn for the worse, we just fold? We fought a civil war that tore us apart but ended the abomination of slavery. We got better. So you're gonna let this clown scare you?!
Because Dems aren’t going to start shooting MAGA’s. Also because the stress of living in this toxic environment is really bad for our health. It might be self preservation. I’m plenty tough, but this has taken a physical toll on me.
Every action the magats have made thus far telegraphs an extremist agenda. Threatening to deport millions, charging opposition members with treason, installing lunatics at every level of the government. Their agenda will begin in Denver, CO, the backlash will be immediate.
Flee or fight? Flee...downsizing to my 1BR unit, selling off my possessions, and looking at jobs abroad. Paying off a line of credit w/variable interest ASAP.
This country’s new “values” are dangerous to us all. Fascism is here.
You know this incoming administration is different. Mitt Romney may not have moved but he's packed some of his bags. Despot usually start with non-public influencers. This guy counts. Going after the figureheads like Biden himself at the start is dumb, but very Trumpian. Biden should pardon Hunter.
None of this is new news🤷♀️ Several immigration attorneys talked about how their elite wealthy clients were visiting in record numbers in preparation to flee if DT won
Billionaires, who took the wheel and wrecked our political system with corruption and meddling, are now thinking of leaving the country to avoid facing the consequences 😑
IF Tя☭mp actually won this election (which I am incredibly dubious of), that indicates a majority of “our fellow Americans” support this fascist which is a HUGE warning sign for me. The fact that we elected Dems in 2020 to “save Democracy” and they did NOTHING is beyond words. #ClearAndPresentDanger
Can't blame him. No other president in US history has come into office outwardly threatening retribution and violence against his perceived "enemies" and a willing bunch of lackeys willing to do his bidding. What would you tell people in 1930's Germany who feared the rise of an antisemitic fanatic?
The inherent corruption of a system that allows people to “donate” hundreds of millions to political parties boggles my mind. 1.5 billion was wasted on that election and by the end people still didn’t what either party really stood for. The whole system is so corrupt
My family and I are thinking about it too. If you can, it's a good thing to be dual citizens. It just sucks that we have to suffer for the stupidity of Maga and the non-voters.
I have a lot of (not the wealthiest 10%) friends and we’ve been talking about it for years
but here I am lazy years later with no passport thinking no worries Harris is absolutely 100% going to landslide win
now my plan is illegally cross the Canadian border get a passport and figure out what next 😭
I’ve wanted to leave the US since W was president. It’s actually incredibly hard to move to another country, especially if you’re neurodivergent like me.
Well, the infamous "replacement theory" did originate in France, after all. And the country has been, at times, notoriously collaborative with fascists, anti-semitic, remarkably bigoted, parochial, protectionist, colonially racist, and chaotically disorganized. Surprised more MAGAs aren't attracted.
It's realistic and wise for his position, wealth and history with trump. He has the means to cause trump and his minions many issues. Better to fight from afar when in that position.
There are times I want to leave this country. In many ways we are going backward. But that is a slap in the face to cut and run when so many people can’t just pick up and leave. We have to resist and do what we can to make things better.
The justice system during the last 4 years has proven to all Americans, it will not protect them
It is about to guess worse when Trump gives the worst of the worst officers immunity and has made it very clear to women of SA and abuse that they either STFU or report it to men who support rapists
If your first reaction is fear and flight, take a minute and remind yourself that Fight is your only survival instinct left that will define the who you are in the next 4 years #bindingchaos
Yes, well that's why we have Israel now. Having a safe haven is absolutely important. Still, we've stood up for 2,000 years and have managed to persist against so many waves of attempted genocide. We could have given up and faded into history. We didn't. And we won't.
I was referring to the ones who didn't make it out for one reason or another. But, your point is taken. History is repeating itself. Don't underestimate the threat.
I don't. That's why I am constantly standing up for Jewish self determination, against antisemitism, and against other forms of ignorance, bigotry, and authoritarianism.
Hey, we’re talking about it too. It’s a legitimate consideration. We’re not rich, but could rent a nice apartment somewhere in Europe. I’m not sure I can live in a country where half of the population is this ignorant and cruel.
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There's a stunning lack of leadership and organization on our side of the aisle. Social media posts don't count.
They ran so far away.
https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/09/24/mitt-romney-donald-trump-retribution-move-overseas/
Hence, leaving the USA is an appropriate response, now.
And to anyone who says Harris lost for supporting my trans brothers and sisters, fuck off.
I can't blame him for thinking about packing up and heading out of town.
I left LinkedIn after it became a MAGA loving, AI-bro fest, crypto cult with fake job listings.
When things got to heck, time to leave.
I've been looking at Spain.
If he doesn’t, what’s the point of having a billion dollars?
This country’s new “values” are dangerous to us all. Fascism is here.
Been fighting the good fight since 1967 marches against Vietnam War. Since that MFer came down escalator, all bad!
If he's financing litigation against tfg, he's got to have a target on his back..no?
Already moved from a red state to a blue state this year in anticipation of the country's insistence on doubling down on utter stupidity.
but here I am lazy years later with no passport thinking no worries Harris is absolutely 100% going to landslide win
now my plan is illegally cross the Canadian border get a passport and figure out what next 😭
It is about to guess worse when Trump gives the worst of the worst officers immunity and has made it very clear to women of SA and abuse that they either STFU or report it to men who support rapists
Let him go to Russia and build a building without windows
"Mildred, the Goldsteins moved to America last week. Do you think we should bw worried."
"Henry, you're such a pessimist. This Hitler guy is alright. He's promising to make the trains run on time."