As long as California agrees not to then immediately export those goods to conservatives and conservative-owned businesses incorporated in other states.
It's not how this shit works. Gavin (et al) hold the flag up high to tell the world they are the greatest. Now the felon is ruining the country so he hides it behind his back and begs for aid. America broadly put the tariffs on. Deal with your leader, fight your own fight. The world doesn't care
Putin's dream - a fragmented USA - dont do it - depose the mad king and sort out a new system of government where you have parties that represent the people not big business and mad kings are barred from power.
It is. But it doesn’t really help these countries to pay a tariff and still do business with California when they can build alliances with other nations. Would be nice but not in their best interests long term.
California created the monsters that are now trying to destroy us. Gavin Newsom is MAGA. So, no. California is the last state that should be getting tariff relief.
Last year California exported $183.3 billion of goods. Read the details including 43% came from small and medium sized business. https://ustr.gov/map/state-benefits/ca
As a Canadian I do have an appetite for punishing red states but my overwhelming response is punish the American economy with all our buying power. Your( collectively) fight, not ours
Former Senate Staffer @senategabe.bsky.social has organized a citizen's impeachment project, aiming to get at least 1 volunteer from each district who can be relied upon to send an email tomorrow morning. The goal? Pressure ALL of congress. We're almost there!
The only source I could find for this was a satire post. Folks thought it was real and the OP was like noooo… this is an onion-style joke. Another commenter here said there was a video of mills saying it but I haven’t found it.
I think they should refuse. California is not monolithic. While it’s nominally a blue state, it has many red districts, and many MAGAs in blue districts.
I live in red Texas, which has many blue districts, and many democrats in red districts.
…
Boy bye, it’s giving a crabs in a bucket.
We are California ✨ THE favorite !
Being so, we should be exempt from all matters that could impact us negatively. 🤭 k bye
The problem with this is that it would be a one way street. I see ZERO upside for the other countries. I mean, I’m not remotely an economist and may be wrong.
But I can imagine Trump increasing tariffs on any country that would agree to it…because he’s petty like that.
Don't hold your breath. Economically the US has become the Nexus of Numbskulls; instead of begging to be spared from the consequences of US economic policy, you need to get to work on fixing things at home.
As much as I would like to see solidly democratic states not have to deal with the trump tax, a significant percentage of EVERY state still voted for this dipshit
I say, help out your democratic friends and family if you have the means to do so and let the trump idiots starve and live in the street
Most of my siblings moved to red states years ago. I chose to stay here in my home. They are Trump trash and in the tornado zone right now. I couldn't care less about them anymore because my children and grandchildren are half Hispanic and I have a transgender child. They chose him.
There is benefit to going easy on the blue states and anyone who openly opposes Felon, but is there enough benefit? It would further split the country and benefit us by weakening the red states.
If the blue states gang up on Trump, they could kick him out of office.
The blue states have the horsepower, they are 80% of the US economy. The Democrats have to start using their muscle.
If the Democrats start talking about blue state independence, it will scare the crap out of the Republicans, guaranteed.
The Democrats could make demands. Like abolish the electoral college.
Here’s the problem with succession - once you start where does it end? Take CA succeeding - the red parts which are most of the state by geography are going to want to form their own territory away from the coasts. Same with Oregon and Washington
It seems crazy. Because there's no constitutional way to leave the union. And we had a civil war over it. However, if the president is breaking the law and Congress refuses to intervene, blue States have a pretty solid argument imo.
Trump has already seceded from America by not following the Constitution. CA would just be upholding the Constitution by separating itself from this false America.
Good for them. If you never try, you'll never know
Remember, CA is a state, they can't do this for other states. Each state has to do it for themselves.
Also California is the 5th largest economy in the world, produces about 1/2 of the produce of the US, has silicon valley, etc. They can become their own country.
Time for California to succeed from this shattered Union.
We are a Country by ourselves supporting several other states with our taxes. Now we are supposed to feed you while you round up the people who do the work. We can negotiate our own deals with the world!
Not unless you secede first.
And then apply properly to become a province so we can vote on the proposal.
We're not American. We're not annexing anyone.
NOPE🖕🏻 As long as Trump is in power you are all seen as one shitty nation. Either leave the Union or put two in the back of Trumps head, but you are all MAGA until proven otherwise by taking action.
The article states: "Furthermore, the available data on Native American voters was often flawed, leading to dangerous conclusions about the Native American vote" right before using that 65% as an example of those flaws, just saying.
True but even with flaws don't you think that that number would STILL be too high. Like why vote for the people who want to keep taking your land. Overreach into your laws and make it harder to get the money that you're owed? Like ok it's flawed by 15%(which is being generous) that's still way too
Yeah I agree that would be pretty strange and nonsensical, but clearly people be doing some things that I think are kinda nuts these days...
I just hope the data was wildly inaccurate
Yeah, no. Don’t lump us all together. Either you’re not educated on America and the different groups and issues with those groups over the history of America or you think America is only made up of Republican straight, white males… and it’s definitely not.
Here is the rub, I understand and am Canadian so educated isn’t the issue like many in the US. The rub, is that where I can empathize with you folks, I can’t enable. Your mess, not mine, your nations mess is threatening not only my nations sovereignty, but economy, my job directly. So, where I can
see your side, at this point you folks have to do some fucking work or be prepared to wear the same hat that MAGA does because it won’t matter to non Americans who you voted for. It will matter on what you let continue to happen. So, sorry, not sorry☺️ Have a great day.🇨🇦
How would this work, reciprocally? (genuine question, I’m very interested in this but don’t understand, as a Brit, the way that states can function autonomously in that way?).
I’d like to know if they could do it too. States can do their own thing for a lot of things. California has the 5th largest economy in the world and funds many of the poor red states. They have power with their money….I like that they are being creative. NY could do it too and cover the East Coast.
New England States are profitable on our own, and we DON'T need New York to subsidize us one bit. The same holds true for the other Blue States of The Mid-Atlantic.
A person's vote in Red Rural Wyoming, which is very sparsely populated, and whose population is less than that of The City of Washington D.C. —the Wyoming Citizen's vote in a Presidential Election is 48X times more powerful than a Citizen of California's vote, the most populous state.Needs fixing...
No offense was meant on my part, I earlier simply wanted to state the facts regarding other Northeast Blue States being relatively selfsufficient, and the fact that ALL Blue States subsidize Red States - who like the ingrates that they are, hate, loathe & despise us.
Sorry, that is honestly my mistake. I indeed thought you were saying that New York subsidizes New England States & the Mid-Atlantic States/the whole Northeast, which ISN'T the case, of course. All Blue States DO economically subsidize Red States & yet we're UNDER REPRESENTED in The Electoral College
CA, WA, OR and maybe NV if they are up to it. A straight trade route from Canada to Mexico and the possibility of being part of Mercosur and/or the EU, the way that the Republic of Ireland is without the rest of the UK.
Can’t see how it could fail…
I'm not sure if many Americans understand that their circumstances don't alter other countries' responsibility to abide by international conventions & agreements.
I wonder how many know that persecution for gender, race, religion, or politics can be grounds for refugee status in other countries.
California pays more in federal taxes than it gets back. A fact that the Orange Urinal Cake seems to forget whenever he's threatening to not help us with natural disasters.
California could not send that money to the feds and help people out with it. Sounds more efficient. That's what those Dogebags and tRump want, isn't it?
Yes, exactly! Blue States need to band together to strengthen & save each other. We are stronger together than we are apart. If we band together we can forge our own destiny, away from Red State MAGA Trump Fascism. We've already had far too much of the Red States Rightwing nonsense!
I forgot about the deep Blue state of Hawaii, which can be added onto the other Pacific States/West Coast States of Washington State, Oregon, and California.
Blue U.S. Territories:
Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, etc.
Mid-Atlantic Blue States: New York, New Jersey, Delaware Pennsylvania, Maryland, and yes Washington D.C. itself, Virginia from the Upper South can be added onto this group by proximity & being adjacent.
Purple States:
Nevada & Arizona in Mountain West.
Wisconisn & Michigan in Midwest.
There are areas of this country (the Blue States) that did not vote for him, and he likes to punish in retaliation. California is one. NY, NJ, Illinois for starters. During the pandemic, he withheld much needed aid to the West Coast, and the NE, and sent it to Russia. I can say, we like our allies.
I think all fed up blue states should apply to Canada. The US shrinks in money and power until eclipsed hy a reformed Canada that spans the entire North American continent- except for the broke-ass isolationist south, who will be left on their own.
Not a good idea. CA is one of the blue states that supports the red states that got us in this mess. Red states need to feel the full weight of the consequences they voted for. So very sorry to everyone who voted for Kamala, but the entire US needs to rise up united and fight against this stupidity
Please take action @5calls.org @indivisible.org @50501movement.bsky.social @generalstrikeus.bsky.social
Tax breaks and tariffs they want to bankrupt the working and middle class the extort our work and assets. Economic terrorism. Their greed will not end. Hands off protest April 5th.
I do not think that helps, there should be an #uprising against the #MAGA #fascists anf if necessary with decisive #violence #tariffs #Trump #California #fighttheoligarchy
IMO: three reasons,
1) outside interference, just look at the alt-right media viewership now verses before the election.
2) Liberals CONSTANTLY acting in good faith with those who would rather see liberalism and liberals die.
3) Generational memory failings exasperated by social media.
Yes OBVIOUSLY the maga, trump, yadda yadda, but that shit doesnt become mainstream naturally. The environment must provide fascism a place to fester and grow, long enough to then overthrow whatever is holding it at bay... I think the list above created that environment.
I posted the article because it explains his reasoning. That’s all. The only thing I know about him, is the impressive way he handled the Coronavirus pandemic.
Blue states should unite and secede and beg the rest of the world to please not blame us. Democrats in red states are welcome to join us. We'll make room. That's what true Americans do.
There might not be another way then to split up. 🫤 This chaos is planned and executed by bad people. Better to stay ourselves , stay strong and united. And don’t let the world be dragged into it.
I feel that many deals will be made soon… without the US government
The problem is California cannot reciprocate with Canada. Unless they can make a deal, so there is no tarifs both ways, we’d be happy to get their oranges back in Canada
Right but also Gavin Newsom is a two faced schmuck who has some nerve asking for exemptions when he won't even acknowledge many of the problems Trump has caused, and may even be in support of some of his policies.
Rights for women and gay people but not trans people, I guess.
I'm sorry but human rights are an all-or-nothing issue for me. If he doesn't support equal rights for trans people I don't support him. Being a good leader for women and gay people isn't an excuse to be a bad leader for trans people.
My family has lived in California for generations. All I said was that he has a lot of nerve, but I'll say more now: his comments about trans athletes was a mask-off moment. If people choose to ignore it that's on them. Don't come crying to the rest of us when the mask finally slips all the way off.
What happened to “..to the Republic..one nation under God, indivisible..”? I guess the same thing that happened to “..with 𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐥𝐥.”
It makes me sad that while there are always challenges with countries with huge physical geographies of getting people to agree and be of one "mind", that the orange moron is the one who is potentially going to take down a very proud country and have it split up. Demand politicians stop enabling him
Massachusetts, and Rhode Island, and MOST of New England is VERY distinct from The Midwest & The South. We have some similarities to SOME of The Mid-Atlantic States, SOME of The Rocky Mountain States, MUCH of The West Coast. Lived in all of these areas, can attest that in my experience this is true.
Huge FO to California right now. The tech bros ensconced there lessen my desire to see any relief for that state. Btw, FO Gavin. Get off the pod casts and back to work! You act like you think you are Teddy Cruz or something.
One way to escape the evils of Trump is for a State to Succeed from the Republic I can see States doing this California probably doesn’t even need any Fed funding that no longer exists in Trump regime anymore anyway
The US will balkanize. Its time to think about what life will be like after trump fractures the Union. Are you going to live in modern Russia equivalent? Latvia? Perhaps Ukraine? What do you think the future for your state is on its own?
Sounds like a belated April's Fool joke. Hopefully, all countries say NO WAY. For one thing, if US big tech in Cal. doesn't suffer from this s*itshow, it's megalomania will continue. Also, unfortunately, ordinary Americans all over the US need to pay a price for this in order for things to change.
CA, WA, OR and maybe NV if they are up to it. A straight trade route from Canada to Mexico and the possibility of being part of Mercosur.
Can’t see how it could fail…
Can you take New York State as the 12th province? Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence River will be under full Canadian control if you do! Plus, you will have the Adirondacks and Catskills as well!
As they should they're all Trumpers who put us in this situation, blue states contribute to 80% of our GDP. Yet we allow them to control us politically.
Exactly...if Democrats fought as hard for the working class as the Republicans are for the elite, we wouldn't be in this mess. You can't crush a strong democracy with happy citizens in 2 months. It's been a long time coming.
Actually, the Declaration of Independence cites this exact situation. It speaks about the abolishment of a destructive government and the “Right to Revolution”.
And it would serve them right I agree it’s so maddening to have the smaller percentage of this country determine what all of us do and how we live it’s bullshit. I say we all self fund and let red states take care of themselves.. the whole boot strap thing.
Yep. Time for Dems to have no empathy. Fuck em. If they don't want to use our federal money for good stuff, then that's fine, they can all just whither and die. Blue states are where the money is. Sorry to all the blue dots in red states, though. We love you.
I'm sitting here "hell yeah"ing and then it hit me that my stolen state of PA is now a red state. 🤬 Though I bet our blue governor would be on board, and same probably goes for NC...
California already has the highest number of industrial workers of any state. The Republicans who claim California is bad at business are dumber than a pallet of bricks.
First step toward independence? I know old-fashioned Civil War secession is unconstitutional, but California alone is the world’s 5th-largest economy and is probably the only state on its own that could be economically independent.
True, but imagine the mounties marching in, taking all the guns and melting them down. Sudden spike in metal exports, or reduction in imports, and then the idiots move to a state that didn't secede. Win win for Canada. And popcorn sales rocket.
The WH has imagined a queue of leaders (foreign states and companies) sneaking i by the back door, hats in hand, to ask for exemption from tariffs - and now this! How embarrassing ...
I'm in IL, our Governor just went to Mexico to try and maintain a decent relationship with them. I absolutely support governors undermining this administration.
I’m pretty sure we’d do what other countries that don’t have everything would do. Buy it. Negotiate for it. California is the world’s 5th largest economy. I think it would do ok.
Cali carries this country on its back. They deserve an exempt in fact “da Republic of New California” sounds a bit nice.. 20 points to anyone who can catch the reference
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Geez isn’t there a big port in … California?
Gonna get interesting state vs federal.
I would say ' ignorant ' though rather than ' stupid ' poorly educated - the group Trump loves and wants to make bigger.
Overall California is Democrat but not business
Yes - if it’s in your house, it’s your mess.
After a thorough inspection and explaining how they will have to lose the guns (which they don’t use to defend from tyranny anyway).
Multi stage process.
Sorry.
Wanna help get Alabama done? 👇
For what? So they can steal our money?
No thanks.
SECESSION!
Start the process and I’ll be packing to move there tomorrow.
I live in red Texas, which has many blue districts, and many democrats in red districts.
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And unfortunately Republicans across the country will need to personally feel the pain before they’ll turn on Trump.
We are California ✨ THE favorite !
Being so, we should be exempt from all matters that could impact us negatively. 🤭 k bye
Exactly who played this wrong? Who held the strongest hand? Trump is a conman.
#ConmanTrump
But I can imagine Trump increasing tariffs on any country that would agree to it…because he’s petty like that.
I say, help out your democratic friends and family if you have the means to do so and let the trump idiots starve and live in the street
If lots of states secede..they can fight amongst themselves.
The blue states have the horsepower, they are 80% of the US economy. The Democrats have to start using their muscle.
The Democrats could make demands. Like abolish the electoral college.
Trump would stroke out.
Remember, CA is a state, they can't do this for other states. Each state has to do it for themselves.
That’s not how that works.
We are a Country by ourselves supporting several other states with our taxes. Now we are supposed to feed you while you round up the people who do the work. We can negotiate our own deals with the world!
Fuck the #TrumpTax and Fuck Vice President “Trade War” Plump
#fiftyfiftyone #5Calls https://indivisible.org #Teslatakedown #MomSky #HandsOffHerVote #SignalGate
And then apply properly to become a province so we can vote on the proposal.
We're not American. We're not annexing anyone.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-native-american-vote-in-the-2024-presidential-election/
I just hope the data was wildly inaccurate
They can't reciprocate enough while being part of the US.
If they left, then it might work.
Can’t see how it could fail…
Until then, it's improper.
I wonder how many know that persecution for gender, race, religion, or politics can be grounds for refugee status in other countries.
(🤔 both more countries with freedoms, and more freedoms in other countries)
Of large Blue States
CA,OR,WA,CO in the west
NY,NJ,etc East
Maybe MN,IL Midwest
Blue U.S. Territories:
Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, etc.
Purple States:
Nevada & Arizona in Mountain West.
Wisconisn & Michigan in Midwest.
Rocky Mountain West States: Colorado, New Mexico.
Midwest Blue States: Illinois, Minnesota.
New England Blue States:
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut.
Love you California
Tax breaks and tariffs they want to bankrupt the working and middle class the extort our work and assets. Economic terrorism. Their greed will not end. Hands off protest April 5th.
Ask the former slave states.
Do something about the fascism going on in the country and stop threatening us.
So we’re doing our part
Unless CA secedes……
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gavin-newsom-pushes-back-podcast-145516701.html
1) outside interference, just look at the alt-right media viewership now verses before the election.
2) Liberals CONSTANTLY acting in good faith with those who would rather see liberalism and liberals die.
3) Generational memory failings exasperated by social media.
I feel that many deals will be made soon… without the US government
You want exemptions, secede.
Newsom has done a lot for California
I’m not happy with his recent podcast
But that doesn’t take away from having a great economy
And rights for women and gays
He’s helping rebuild Los Angeles after the fires
I'm sorry but human rights are an all-or-nothing issue for me. If he doesn't support equal rights for trans people I don't support him. Being a good leader for women and gay people isn't an excuse to be a bad leader for trans people.
California should have about eight governors
We have one
the strongest economy
Again, I don’t agree with everything he’s done or said, but you don’t realize how big the state is.
He does have to make compromises.
Californians also have a 2nd amendment .. use it🫤
#Democracy #Accountability #Vote #3E
Red states can take care of themselves
Secede though and you can apply to become a province; our government would then vote on it after that.
@pattymurray.bsky.social @jayinslee.bsky.social what do we have to do to get this ball ROLLING
Also they need to apply first so our government can vote on it. It's a thing.
Beautiful.
I guess you are referring to its actual size, which isn't very big.
Didn't know that.
Got you.
Can’t see how it could fail…
Red states should suffer what they voted to experience.
It's illegal for a state to initiate diplomatic relations that aren't authorised by the state.
This is the downside of being the side that values rule of law.
Besides, I can't see many foreign countries agreeing to trade deals with rogue states.
If these states secede, that all changes, of course. 🤞
Take it up with them.
I'm just the messenger, champ.
No.
Secede though and we can make some trade deals.
Sort of.
They are part of the United States or they are not.
How about your oil?
How about your electricity?
How about federal funding to mitigate your constant natural disasters?
California is very, very far from independent. You would not survive.
#CaliforniaStrong
This is OUR democracy; we stand up; speak out!🇺🇲🐻🪧
🗣📢🪧🚨🇺🇲⚖️🚨🪧👥️🇺🇲📜🪧 🇺🇲🗣📢✊️
Resist.
These are insidious ways to raise taxes on people while claiming it pays for tax cuts. My guess is he will lower tariffs and stick US with a VAT tax
all 3, ca-wa-or = new sovereign democratic republic
or join british columbia.
Then Minnesota can join ontario.
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