Asmon gold is like mind blowingly successful, to a point that totally eclipses Hasan or like anyone else. I’ve only seen him be nasty, is he also an incredible content creator? What’s going on there
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He doesn't do anything on purpose because he's genuinely too dumb for it, but he presents himself honestly with all his flaws and that resonates with all his viewers who relate to those flaws. This is not a good thing.
He was a really big Wow streamer. I don't play WoW or follow the community at all so idk what exactly he did there but that's where he got his main audience.
I'm by no means an expert, but being good at content creation and being popular as a content creator are in my experience far more independent variables than we would like them to be
My best explanations for Asmongold are a) luck (critical factor in reaching baseline "popular") b) content that appeals to a young audience (i.e. people who have the time to sit around and watch youtube all day) and c) nastiness is watchable - the same reason why people watch tv about trashy people
I think b) is especially important. The real people who drive youtube success are anywhere between toddlers who like bright colors to in this case 14 year old boys in their edgy phase. He stumbled into a type of content that appeals to teenage boys who discovered 4chan for the first time.
He reacts and does so on a very basic easily understandable way and then when people got bored he decided to be openly shitty and transphobic. Even sharing people's user names uncensored so his fans can harass people he doesn't like or disagrees with
I'm just a simple country sage Shaun but when I was a young warthog I desired to learn all that I could and stay upright and virtuous, in fact, I got much better about the hygiene as well despite the depression, don't really relate to these youths today
Yeah hes the embodiment of selfish entitlement and validates those who dont want to have to put any effort into anything. If theres something bad, theres always a scapegoat, never have to take responsibility for their own actions. Asmond is successful and hes just like them so why should they change
his audience was applauding nazis the other day when they found out the books they were burning was of trans science. asmon said, yeh, its because it was written in jewish. and his fans are like oh yeh, that makes sense. its insane an obv over the top racism that no one seems mind all that much
I only watched him while he was playing FF14, but he was an incredibly entertaining dude. His react content was always less interesting to me, but even that was a lot better than his competition. I wish I still liked the guy because, honestly, I still enjoy a lot of the clips I see.
You know what, a lot of people here, myself included don't seem to get the appeal. So for the sake of illumination: what specifically is this guy's appeal? What does he scratch in your brain? Why are people watching him?
Asmon was always an angry WoW content creator but when FFXIV got *really* big, he rehabbed his demeanor to reflect the new fanbase only to go back to being a miserable shitbag again
Okay I feel something that is being ignored here that makes this look worse is that Hasan allows a bunch of fan channels and such to upload his stuff.
Hasan Reactions for example has a 100K vid of Hasan reacting to Sam Seder's Jubilee video that has no presence on the main Hasanabi channel.
Essentially, he has split his audience on top of all the other things a lot of other people have mention here like frequency of uploads. Hasan has weaker YouTube 'game' for lack of a better phrase.
Speaking as someone that 10 years ago was watching Asmongold precusors I can say that back then...
... It was addictive, I would click on one after another being angry is a like a drug.
Today however adult leftist me would rather play, read or watch something than a leftist I agree with tell me what I already know.
I just think a left wing channel is always going to be weaker because of that.
it's called "grifting" and being a useful idiot. Hasan is an idiot, just not a useful one. Asmon has been serving more as a bridge for young men to be pipelined towards that "balding jaded 40-something gamer" sphere of the internet who pretend to hate 'x' politics or agendas while pushing their own.
A coworker was spouting incomprehensible antiwoke takes that i googled and sure enough came from asmongold via her boyfriend. Something has gone wrong with the internet and the world
I haven’t seen much from him, I only remember for a good while his rethoric especially on Ukraine to be highly problematic and sensationalists in nature
Did you know Hasan apologized after being educated further on the matter? Did you know Asmon hasn’t apologized for his blatant attacks against actors and companies despite being educated further about how his stances don’t make sense?
Yeah, but can't they find someone who isn't a disgusting animal who lost all his teeth because he can't even do the slightest amount of regular hygiene?
That part I cannot fathom. He's so stupid he had to Google search India to find out if it was close to China. His veneers make him look like a horse. Nothing about him is appealing.
They tried that with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro but it turns out when you fake being smart it’s incredibly easy to make fun of how stupid you are. Lot easier to recover if you just are known for being a dumbass.
When people on the right try to follow “smart, well educated people” this is what they eventually become, because logic has no use in right wing ideology
It still is simply true though that Hasan gets vastly less views on his videos, all the stranger that asmon eclipses him while releasing like five times the videos. The sheer money involved is unreal here
I don't watch Hasan's streams, but the few times I've checked he's usually in the top 3 on Twitch. The point still stands, he's only really popular there, and even then Asmon and other incels are above him. His YT and the reupload channels get a fraction of the views.
He does post almost daily on his main chanel. There is probably some algorithmic factor that makes him less popular, but I don’t think its the frequency of uploads
Literally he got most of his current audience from covering the Depp Vs Heard trial like an e-sports event with added misogyny. Scum who get kicks from those videos tend to stay for the confirmation bias like for most drama channels.
Also there's those who follow to laugh at how messy he is.
I feel like YOU already have a video on how much easier it is to make react content than anything else, and that’s a big chunk of the answer
He got in on react early, got momentum, and he benefits from the general over funding of the right-wing info sphere by Murdock &c to prime an audience for him
Idk maybe that just feels like a topic you would cover, but I’m sure you know that issue in way more depth than most of us. I know I’ve seen several big creators I follow cover it at one point or another.
I only know who he is because of Hasan lol.
Really don't know what people see in him, he's got this haughty affect to his speech that sounds like steepled fingers would sound if they could talk.
Being an incendiary person with no redeeming qualities, self sustainability or capacity to support/empathize with others is a signal of strength to certain subcultures nowadays. This channel reenforces that standard.
Yep. It's now "based" to be performatively project apathy and callousness as virtues and strength. Conservatism is an inherently sociopathic ideology, so the popularity of these cretins is not that surprising anymore. It's a race downhill to see who can be more cruel and psychotic.
A lot of people watch him essentially as a vehicle to access creaters they wouldn’t otherwise see. He reacts to so much stuff. This is true of a lot of streamers like him. He also has wildly inconsistent takes politically and seems to have median voter syndrome. Suspect that’s why he’s so popular.
he’s an exact reflection of the people that regularly agree and consume his content . basement dweller gamer losers with no genuine commentary to anything that doesnt immediately reinforce and coddle their loser habits and beliefs . everything that isnt exactly to their tastes is “woke”
Its possible as a non ripped person to consume the content of Hasan. But i would not stomache seeing a human cockroach vomiting fashist bullshit all day. You need to be a person that at least tollerates fashist bullshit and a guy decomposing in stream to enjoy that.
Most leftists don’t watch people they don’t entirely agree with. While most right wingers eat any and all slop that’s thrown their way they can even slightly get along with.
His popularity is directly tied to his “gaming” credentials; which is why when he turned to “DEI in games is BAAAD” it was all but assured that one more turn was needed to start having bad takes that favored the right. I still remember him calling Palestinians an inferior culture.
And because he got banned for being THAT BRAZENLY RACIST, somehow the dialogue became “well Hasan is racist too” which is why him and a bunch of other dingdongs have been targeting Hasan.
Yes but he’s successful in that he’s managed to cultivate a gaming community and transmute it into a political one not by the merits of his political coverage which isn’t particularly special compared to other reactionary right wing nazitubers
He's the human equivalent of a cockroach. He has a massive following of socially maladjusted losers, and he tells them what they want to hear no matter how absurd or untrue. The same types that watch cretins like Joe Rogan, Theo Von and Russel Brand while believing they're "based free thinkers".
I keep thinking to myself:
What sin have I committed that the world feels the need to constantly force me to look at this disgusting rat-man? I don't deserve to be confronted with this disgusting moron this often!
hasan has been trying to ring the alarm on this because asmon IS now the #1 conservative political youtuber
i hate to make anyone watch asmon, but watch one video & you'll see how his mindless commentary is like candy to groypers it's literally groyper feelgood hours over there
He's not a good content creator. He's just gamergate adjacent. He's always been good at giving his audience a reason to be mad and people to take that out on. It used to be random game devs and marginalized people in the WoW community and now it's Hassan.
When you say average gamer, you're only referring to white guys. You do realize that hundreds of millions of other types of people are gamers too.....right?
I think it's worth for the left to just be extremely humble about how outgunned we are, how out of touch we are with what normies want, and start building and organising more on premises that work for normies.
Real hope to be found in doing that and connecting with people.
I think it's even less necessary looking for "what the normies want" as that we haven't updated our playbooks or even lingo in decades. Often we can't even talk about left issues without sounding like a boring college professor or niche weirdo. They've been honing theirs at the whole time.
I think one of the best I daw that's close to left was the Harris campaigns all to brief stint of just calling conservatives weird. That's at least a starting point.
When you say leftists need to appeal to normies, you really mean we should go even more right wing, despite actual normies identifying with leftist goals.... Lol... How out of touch are you? You people keep doing the same thing over and over, and still wonder why it's not working
I don't mean leftists should get more right-wing, so idk what you are on about? If anything I think the American "left" isn't left-wing at all, too protective of the status quo and existing institutions
I get that libs in WaPo and NYT make that argument all the time, that leftists must become more right-wing to appeal to normies. But here's the thing, I'm not a WaPo op-ed columnist and neither is almost anyone else, so you only do yourself a disservice when you make that assumption.
Imagine a stranger coming up to you and saying "You people keep doing the same thing over and over, and still wonder why it's not working", and then that person turns out to know nothing about you. Is that person convincing anyone of anything?
Oh you mean the liberal Chuck Schumer/Kamala strategy that never works, and liberals constantly keep doing it even though they are only empowering the nazis? OK....
I've literally never seen him make a good point. At BEST I've seen him say something obvious, that isn't contradicted in the actual clip he is watching. That he is popular seems bad. That he is so hugely outperforming even annoying debate bros seems terrifying.
I think it was around the Depp trial that his audience really blew up beyond gamers/WoW players, he was streaming the trial and putting out a ton of videos that were hitting the algo, had grandma's watching him. That was really the "Gamergate 2.0" moment for a lot of people.
Yea this. Before he was just WoW guy but was one of twitch’s largest streamers. Then he simped for Depp during that trial, got even more views and just leaned into that ever since.
We really dont talk enough about how this trial was a pipeline for radicalisation. I have so many friends who clowned on amber heard and ended up going to the right it was insane
i imagine he is a very satisfying and flattering-to-the-prejudices watch for people who are incurious and sick of being told to care about things. Like an avatar of South Park politics.
Social media metrics have never really been correlated to content quality, even more so in the age of aggressive algorithmic control. Combo'd with the fact that the majority of people don't want really want quality content, they want familiar content in mass amounts.
Classic case of right-wing consolidation. Lots of left-leaning people have legitimate reasons to not watch Hasan, whereas every single right-wing dipshit watches Asmongold.
He's the Trump of gamers, in that justifies and allows their laziest basal feelings. Makes them feel good about hating the things they hate. Especially video games.
I wish people would clarify that they mean WHITE male gamers. There are hundreds of millions of female, queer, non-white, elderly gamers, whose numbers are just as many as the white dudes. White dudes aren't the only people who game. They ain't even the majority now. It's more even now than ever
I genuinely don’t get his appeal. Not in a “he sucks because of his views” way, but as a react guy he has no interesting insights or colour commentary, and there’s not even the performance aspect of the other guys. Anyone could do it, and yet he’s the lucky one
Isn't he established on twitch for longer than Hasan and a gamer more than a political streamer?
Like, i ve heard about him from a specific strain of french incel wow players years ago but never really cared to watch his content or research on him because of that source.
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99% of his content is him watching "WOKE GAME JOURNALISTS OWNED" videos and saying "Wow!" every 10 seconds
It's a lot of factors to how he got big tbh, I think he's very good at knowing what his audience wants to hear and leaning into drama/controversy as clickbait.
like 8-10 years ago he was a much more normal gaming dude. said some questionable or mildly edgy things, but completely palatable to the normal gamer audience. then began a long pipeline into being much more of a reactionary
I feel like theres just different expectations for peoples content when they are on the right. Like yeah, Asmon gold is gross and his content is undeniably slop, but most of his audience isn’t going to care about any of that as long as he says the thing they like.
The gaming sphere on yt funnels you to dudes like Asmon if you're not careful. You start out enjoying his gameplay then he opens his mouth and you think "I like him for these other things, so he has to be a decent guy! Maybe his opinions are right?" Also gamer privilege means the mildest critique of
A creator allows them to go "woke game gate 2" and a million random gremlins from all over the internet will flock to you and give you as much money as you want. See: Keemstar and Dr. Disrespect
Yes, he's more entertaining than Hasan and most people watch for entertainment rather than political commentary. It is harder for normies to catch idiocies and start to question.
He's not entertaining... He never adds any insight or interesting/funny color commentary... He's so utterly mediocre at best... But his white male conservative privilege keeps him afloat
large content creator who started getting into politics with the amber heard trial and despite trying to portray himself as a centrist he welcomes nazis and other alt right people in his mod team and community
while many are pointing out the frequency of upload, which is no doubt good for the algorithm, I find it difficult to detach the nastiness from it all ?
it sort of feels like part of the reason he is so successful is that there IS a very large market audience for needless cruelty and bigotry
There is, but I believe he once explicitly stated that it was his strategy. He wanted to pump out so much React content that his name would float to the top of search priority for so many different topics that people would see his dumbass face gaping at someone else's video before the video itself.
Like he doesn't create anything himself anymore. He mainly livestreams and has editors chopping up everything he does and says for clip reels. He's essentially industrialized strawmanning. And no single content creator can keep up with what he skips by just reacting to essentially stolen content.
He's an everyman who I think a lot of white guys can see themselves in. He's like the Taylor Swift of white gamer bros, people who have a lot of reactionary views but see themselves as liberal, average, the norm or default. Hasan is too foreign and he challenges the average liberal sensibilities.
If he's the everyman of white guys, that terrifies me, because that's saying most white guys are genocidal, racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted assholes. I mean....fair enough... But like... I kinda feel like he's not actually the everyman. Besides the bigotry, he's such a lame, uncool goober.
You're right, I don't think most white guys are like him. However, despite his reactionary politics, he is able to come accross as a blank and is given the benefit of the doubt. What he says isn't taken as extreme it is because it's in that overton window of what's seen as the 'middle'.
Eh, I don't pay him much attention. I'm more for the analyses of weird films from some guy named Big Joel. He's pretty cool, and his laugh is legit contagious.
Can it just be as simple as white, male, conservative privilege? Those types of dudes walk into a room like they built it. They're entitled shits who believe they deserve everything, despite being mediocre at best. Other mediocre, white, male conservatives agree & watch out of a cultish obligation
Sometimes I seriously think those culty types just make bots to inflate their watch numbers, and manipulate the algorithm. That or, more horrifyingly, there's just more entitled white dudes than there are good ones, so the majority just choose Asmon 🤷
I think it's a combination of this stuff and the general appeal to a younger male audience that's just already super right wing
Since I can't understand what's going on anymore, I think it's just one of those kids becoming more sentient and watching weird freaks like this things
That last part is the only explanation for why guys like this have seemingly appeared in my line of sight like some horrific Eldritch twitch abomination bent on making me wonder who the fuck Flumbo is and why he's in a feud with Ximpy
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Smarter than the others and he knows it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu0lAFbCqGU
Hasan Reactions for example has a 100K vid of Hasan reacting to Sam Seder's Jubilee video that has no presence on the main Hasanabi channel.
Speaking as someone that 10 years ago was watching Asmongold precusors I can say that back then...
Today however adult leftist me would rather play, read or watch something than a leftist I agree with tell me what I already know.
I just think a left wing channel is always going to be weaker because of that.
I mean, points for honesty I guess.
it can't *all* be hate watchers waiting for him to do something disgusting
Also there's those who follow to laugh at how messy he is.
He got in on react early, got momentum, and he benefits from the general over funding of the right-wing info sphere by Murdock &c to prime an audience for him
Really don't know what people see in him, he's got this haughty affect to his speech that sounds like steepled fingers would sound if they could talk.
hasan is even relevant to my interests and I've never seen him on my home page, but the nazi fucks always work their way back in somehow
What sin have I committed that the world feels the need to constantly force me to look at this disgusting rat-man? I don't deserve to be confronted with this disgusting moron this often!
i hate to make anyone watch asmon, but watch one video & you'll see how his mindless commentary is like candy to groypers it's literally groyper feelgood hours over there
for why its so popular now probably due to trump winning again, it'll wane when the fatigue sets in
it's just slop that seems to have algorithmic preference
Real hope to be found in doing that and connecting with people.
Like, i ve heard about him from a specific strain of french incel wow players years ago but never really cared to watch his content or research on him because of that source.
It's a lot of factors to how he got big tbh, I think he's very good at knowing what his audience wants to hear and leaning into drama/controversy as clickbait.
kinda similar to Destiny
it sort of feels like part of the reason he is so successful is that there IS a very large market audience for needless cruelty and bigotry
if you lack any level of integrity and just churn out reaction after reaction, you're leeching from loads of other pools of people
thanks for the input c:
Since I can't understand what's going on anymore, I think it's just one of those kids becoming more sentient and watching weird freaks like this things