Curious if they can identify the far-left policy and messaging that they think was the problem in 2024. - ThreadSky

courtneymilan.com • 1 day ago

Curious if they can identify the far-left policy and messaging that they think was the problem in 2024.

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New: Last month, a group of moderate Democratic consultants, campaign staffers, elected officials & party leaders gathered in Loudoun County, Virginia, for a retreat where they plotted their party’s comeback.

We got their takeaways. t.co/bEwlg4jbtM

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digitalramble.bsky.social•1 day ago

primary their asses. we need our tea-party moment

bridgetmc.bsky.social•1 day ago

Wtaf?

Small dollar donors whose…blah blah blah

There is so much wrong with that statement alone I wouldn’t know where to begin.

aghoward.bsky.social•1 day ago

"the dominance of small-dollar donors whose preferences may not align with the broader electorate"???

They brainstormed, "we should ignore our base"???

wharris.bsky.social•1 day ago

At least they remembered to find and replace the phrase "our cash cows" with "the broader electorate" before others saw the document. So moderate Dems are capable of accomplishing something!

troutgirl.bsky.social•1 day ago

I wish they'd ignore me harder, because Elise Stefanik is fully living in a fantasy world if she thinks this Washington state resident is going to give her anything but a block and a mean comment for daring to ask me for money right now. If your one job is to read the room, you're failing.

aghoward.bsky.social•1 day ago

Whoa whoa whoa, they didn't say they thought Democrats should stop taking small-dollar donors' *money*...

troutgirl.bsky.social•1 day ago

Oh right! Because I just love wasting my money on a bunch of do-nothing losers whose _entire strategy_ in what should be an unloseable election is to ignore my preferences because as an immigrant married programmer in Washington state I'm too far out of the mainstream.

troutgirl.bsky.social•1 day ago

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me continuously since 1988, I'm gonna need to see a good reason to keep shoveling money at the white male political grifter class.

tmoney2007.bsky.social•1 day ago

Right? "Ignore the dominant money from small donors" sounds a lot like begging corporations for massive funding.

aghoward.bsky.social•1 day ago

"You know who has their finger on the American pulse? People who can give the federal campaign contribution limit. Just look at Elon Musk!"

tmoney2007.bsky.social•1 day ago

You know who can relate well to "working people"? A group made up of people who have not "worked" in the way that "working people" do in decades, if ever.

You can't understand economic stress if you've never actually felt it.

karenrebels.bsky.social•1 day ago

This one line was enough to show they are completely out of touch.

areaman65.bsky.social•1 day ago

There wasn't any far-left policy or messaging, but there certainly was a large segment of the electorate who thought there was.
Which is a big problem for Democrats.

odetteroulette.bsky.social•20 hours ago

This is from Politico. Please stop reading GOP owned and operated "news" sources.

odetteroulette.bsky.social•20 hours ago

These are "democratic consultants" from??? They aren't Democrats. Note that. Please again stop reading these GOP operated rags. They lie constantly.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

A lot of this is very citation needed, but my takeaway from all of this is that these people realized that someone is going to want to primary their asses, and this is their argument that they shouldn't be primaried.

We don't have to listen.

lauowolf.bsky.social•2 hours ago

We just need to take names
This is who *needs* to be primaried

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Assuming that our elections are still free and fair, Democrats are going to have the EASIEST FUCKING ARGUMENT in 2026, and literally all you have to do to lock your place in is to stand up to Trump consistently and not play stupid games.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

All that being said, if you want to stop sending me ninety thousand fundraising emails, please feel free.

wndlb.bsky.social•1 day ago

They want to move away from (your) dominance, I guess more in favor of K Street.
Explicitly.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Anyway, I do hope that anyone who chooses to play these craven games gets kneecapped in the primaries.

tmoney2007.bsky.social•1 day ago

Speaking of "knee capped" I'd love to have video of a Dem candidate at a gun show...

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

We don't really know who participated; anyone who thinks like this is going to show their hand.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Hey, just to be clear: I know this is not all Democrats, and even that it is not MOST Democrats, but enough Democrats listen to this shit that we need to call it shit often and regularly.

adorasidhe.bsky.social•1 day ago

Easy way to find out. Primary anyone who won't support trans rights actively and vocally.

mystrangebones.com•1 day ago

Neither major party should survive this catastrophe.

jerryn13.bsky.social•1 day ago

The retreat was sponsored by Third Way, so I think we can make some educated guesses.

mostlybree.kitrocha.com•1 day ago

"move away from the dominance of small dollar donors" is an absolutely *wild* thing to say when the entire country is staking out the businesses of the largest dollar donor on the other side.

these folks hate winning.

lkrigel.bsky.social•1 day ago

"the dominance of small dollar donors" = campaign cash that crowd isn't skimming a cut from. Of course they want to move away from it.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Seriously. I'm not really looking to replace Elon Musk with Mark Cuban.

pixelfish.bsky.social•1 day ago

It’s the business mentality of minnows and whales. (Actual terms you’ll hear when cultivating online businesses that track who spends with them.)

What you want is a healthy ecosystem AND for whales to not take over the messaging bc they have more resources than the whales/billionaires.

toughtink.bsky.social•1 day ago

and totally opposite of the “get out of elite circles and into local communities” bullet point??? do they hear themselves?

emptyjetseatbribes.bsky.social•1 day ago

yeah like ten a day is bad

jonpennington.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah, all those fundraising emails accomplish is hiring the same class of Democratic consultant clowns who make us stand for nothing while still losing elections.

leenakassak.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes

davidmichaelpick.net•1 day ago

As a non US citizen, I think you're arguing that the Democratic Party should stop trying to win the next election and start trying to do the right thing now. And trust the electorate to recognise that when the next election comes.

Don't worry about losing votes, try to win them.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

No, I'm arguing that these fools don't know a damned thing about elections.

4023drew.bsky.social•1 day ago

As a U.S. citizen I think you don't know what actually wins elections, and just taking democrats at their word when they say "NO NO YOU CAN'T PRIMARY ME YOU NEED ME TO WIN ELECTIONS" seems foolish given how often "centrists" don't win elections.

freedahkaylow.bsky.social•1 day ago

As long as Elon's teenagers don't hack into the election machines. Something needs to leak so we can shine a light on exactly how Trump won in 2024.

tkingfisher.com•1 day ago

I’m wondering how many of them there are. I can’t find the numbers on the size, but you know how it usually is with the media—500 GOP are outliers, one leftist college student is Dem policy.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Exactly.

asofel.bsky.social•14 hours ago

The GOP is full of ‘lone wolves’

ingriddebeus.bsky.social•1 day ago

Good of them to gather together to give us a simple list for the primary challenges.

teknomantik.old-home.net•1 day ago

Someone else mentioned that this isn't "the Democrats" per se, it's Third Way, who've been trying to drag the Dems right for a long time.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

Yes, and you'll note that I didn't say "the Democrats."

teknomantik.old-home.net•1 day ago

Indeed you didn't. I'm sorry.

clanghoff.bsky.social•1 day ago

Courtney, take a look at who owns Politico:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/06/axel-springer-politico-media-scandal-germany-bild/

nitricacidbottle.bsky.social•18 hours ago

This is just a reminder that the Democratic Party is never going to be the force that will pull the state away from ever increasing violent authoritarianism. We save us.

charliejane.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'm a huge admirer of yours, but please don't repost ragebait from Politico like this. This isn't about the Democratic party, it's about some random group called Third Way.

summervillain.bsky.social•1 day ago

Maybe not exactly random, but affiliated with the dems we're all already mad at. I don't think giving it oxygen is helpful, and IMO it's not a shift for them, more doubling down on failed policy

odetteroulette.bsky.social•20 hours ago

They are NOT affiliated with Democrats.

tofufighting.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's wild to me how someone could see Biden forced to pretend at progressive leanings in 2020 and win, and then see Harris run the perfect centrist campaign and get blown out of the water, and conclude that left-wing ideas are the problem

cat-on-a-leash.bsky.social•1 day ago

👆

sheeri.org•1 day ago

Schrödinger’s progressives - who apparently cost them the election, but whose perspectives don’t align with the broader base.

perrygrossman.bsky.social•1 day ago

I’m extremely tired at the disingenuous narratives coming from conservative Dems as well as GOP about large cities being hellholes.

Instead, we could recognize that America’s large cities are highly desirable places to live—so much so that the crisis is affordability and equity.

punkrockscience.bsky.social•1 day ago

“Move away from the dominance of small dollar donors who may not align with the broader electorate”… what? How do you… WHAT?

janinemuenger.bsky.social•1 day ago

As opposed to the billionaires, who will totally understand and align with the broader electorate /sarcasm

myrthe.bsky.social•21 hours ago

"As opposed to the billionaires, who will totally understand and align with the broader electorate"

- _because_ they are busy controlling what the broader electorate hear and telling them what to fear.

adorasidhe.bsky.social•1 day ago

Trans people should have rights is the far left message being referenced

bexone.bsky.social•1 day ago

You say “should have rights,” they say “should be allowed to exist at all”

megaweapon5.bsky.social•1 day ago

“Trans people are human beings”?

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

God, I wish we'd spent more time actually saying that.

marontheweb.bsky.social•1 day ago

The second bullet is one of the most consultant-pilled horseshit I've ever seen.

tmoney2007.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not allowing "purity tests" sure does sound like having literally no principles to me.

Think back to all the "Pro-Life Dems" who kept super majorities from passing a codification of Roe.

courtneymilan.com•1 day ago

The funny thing is the "no purity tests" is in the same bullet point as "don't talk to the far left."

marontheweb.bsky.social•1 day ago

The consultants who wrote this have achieved new heights of self parody.

"Voters are in open rebellion over GOP complicity in a malign plot to dismantle our global standing, domestic prosperity, and basic civil society, so NOW'S THE TIME to avoid taking a clear stance on anything!!" gtfo

marontheweb.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sorry, that should say "consultant-pilled *pile of* horseshit..."

iisawell.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yah. I’m not buying that this even happened, and that if it did, these were the takeaways. Next!

ann-t-social.bsky.social•1 day ago

I doubt it, it's all just hackery on that page. I'm shocked that "kitchen table issues" wasn't specifically cited, as well.

czedwards.bsky.social•1 day ago

What with open concept housing and islands destroying the very concept of a kitchen table, they’ve taken that phrasing out of circulation and are trying to come up with a new one, but “household management running text stream“ doesn’t have the same cachet.

ann-t-social.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't know anyone who has a kitchen big enough for a kitchen table. It's all the same decades-old, Leave it to Beaver shit.

czedwards.bsky.social•1 day ago

YUP.

joycereynoldsward.bsky.social•1 day ago

This gathering was sponsored by Third Way. Not official Democratic party stuff. Look up Third Way. They have GOP donors. This was posted as a ragebait attractor.

sherpacato.bsky.social•1 day ago

A good point.

jginsburg.bsky.social•1 day ago

"being against murdering babies"

sdowney.bsky.social•1 day ago

"the failures of Democratic governance in large cities"
Stop accepting the premise of GOP criticism as being in good faith.

kathryncramer.bsky.social•1 day ago

Trans people exist?

andreaeagle.bsky.social•1 day ago

This goes back to the Pod Save Bros bitching about the ACLU asking Harris about trans issues in... 2019. @podsaveamerica.crooked.com This is what the Bros have wrought, garbage antitrans talking points.

larshields.bsky.social•1 day ago

This reads like it's straight out of the Bill Clinton/ James Carville playbook of the early 1990s. It's time for the Democratic Party to move beyond Grandpa's strategy. Grandpa's strategy cost us Gore, Kerry, Hillary, and Harris. Liberal messaging needs to be 24/7 not just at election time.

jftitone.bsky.social•1 day ago

Is the far left messaging in the room with us now?

tarabarnes.bsky.social•1 day ago

“Get rid of elite circles” and “move away from small-dollar donors” in the same memo. Oof.

I can recommend some good churches and tailgates, but why aren’t libraries and gay bars and soup kitchens and antiracism orgs and cultural celebrations and drag shows (etc.) on the “real” list?

elfherself.bsky.social•1 day ago

I gather that "elite circles" means "people with a college education, especially anything related to liberal arts and not business." Possibly also "union members" because everyone knows those are "elitist" orgs.

cvhdmomof3.bsky.social•1 day ago

Or that the GOP had extended access to the Arizona voting machines and Musks teenagers are all hackers.

quetaauthor.bsky.social•21 hours ago

"get away from small donors"???? YOU MEAN THEIR CONSTITUENTS???

johnbrownbread.bsky.social•1 day ago

There is no evidence that Center-left parties moving right gains them more votes. In fact, it just empowers the far right. The Dem consultant class are the ones who lost the 2024 election and they actively hate the base of their party. The “third way” is dead. It is what bought us fascism

mathlover.bsky.social•1 day ago

Meanwhile Trump used Cambridge Analytica and similar methods of influencing public opinion via social media, managed to get a huge percent of the public to stop watching mainstream media, use their new social media, and cut off democrat’s access to influence much of the country.

mathlover.bsky.social•1 day ago

Seems like this has been biden’s strategy at least since the Impact Research memo if not before. Didn’t win midterms or presidential election.

aowl.bsky.social•1 day ago

Took a while for me to even process they are defining “real communities” as gun shows.

megaweapon5.bsky.social•1 day ago

Me and the dads and moms at little league practice are a fake community.

figmentpudding.com•1 day ago

This feels like “we had a weekend at Rick Wilson’s cabin” and, they know Lincoln Project isn’t Dems, right? *padme face*

smartchae.bsky.social•1 day ago

This came from the publication that openly prays for Trump.

I wouldn’t give it so much weight.

ginablack.bsky.social•1 day ago

It sounds like they want Democrats to become who Republicans used to be... Ummmm no.

misseli.bsky.social•1 day ago

Without reading a single word, I am will to take a guess: black joy and excellence; trans acceptance and visibility; “Immigrants, we get things done!”; Lina Khan bullied Big Tech and made them cry …

spinster-auntie.bsky.social•1 day ago

These people are morons. Stop listening to people who haven't won an election in this decade. Small dollar donors represent actual voters, but stop all the money begging txts/emails. Be the opposition, not the GOP light. Get out & talk to people vs at people. Risk an honest response to questions.

izzos.us•1 day ago

This was actually a "Third Way" retreat and not a conference of current Democrat insiders. So the reporting is...not good.

But most of this stuff sounds really similar to what IS coming out of Democrat leadership so...

6 of 1, half a dozen of the other...

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