The in-fighting within the various parts of the left and progressives (as it ever was) is about the pain and tension of different paths amidst the fear. I struggle because I have empathy for any way forward that lets you sleep at night, and helps you take care of the people you love. It’s all valid. - ThreadSky

anildash.com • 36 days ago

The in-fighting within the various parts of the left and progressives (as it ever was) is about the pain and tension of different paths amidst the fear. I struggle because I have empathy for any way forward that lets you sleep at night, and helps you take care of the people you love. It’s all valid.

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waxw.ing•36 days ago

There is also a mountain of social science research that shows that wildly differing strategies are usually mutually beneficial. Action changes our collective understanding of what is possible

grampafan.bsky.social•36 days ago

The only tension I feel is from what’s coming from the despots amongst us. The destabilizers.

pocketsizedsatan.bsky.social•35 days ago

Ya its kinda sad the divide it’s created

tattoojeff.bsky.social•35 days ago

Nah they are just asshats

ancientstephanie.bsky.social•35 days ago

Democrats need to make ranked choice voting and ballot access part of their platform.

Yes, it will hurt them some, but it makes a big tent on the left possible, which hurts MAGA and the GOP a lot more - the fiscal conservatives can divorce from the evangelical antichristians.

phrontifugist.bsky.social•35 days ago

Contact your House rep and Senators, and demand they support HR 7740, the Fair Representation Act.

https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/fair-representation-act/

commiebasterd.bsky.social•35 days ago

Liberalism has brought us fascism. Again.

p-krptkn.bsky.social•35 days ago

I tried saying something like this earlier today. Holy shit. Tough crowd. I agree with you please don’t bite me :)

p-krptkn.bsky.social•35 days ago

Yeah. The vibe is off. People are furious online. People are ganging up on each other out here over the smallest miscommunications. It’s like bad traffic.

anildash.com•36 days ago

I believe in a harm-reduction theory of electoral politics, so I’ll vote, but I don’t have any allegiance to politicians or parties. I respect those whose theory of political change is different from mine, but we’re going to have to stop demanding that everybody follow the same path to get there.

janmaarten.com•36 days ago

I found @dallasgoldtooth.bsky.social’s take really compelling and it helped clarify things for me: that it’s an opportunity to choose who the leader of your enemy is

toddwalker.bsky.social•36 days ago

As Luthen says to Saw “clarity of purpose” Gerrera…

tft.io•36 days ago

There will have to be a popular front and I believe that there will be, because people are not so degraded as the forces of evil want us to think

darwinwoodka.bsky.social•36 days ago

I think the anger at the non voters is pretty justified right now all things considered. You want things to change, you damn well vote. You don't sit back and protest by non voting and let the fascists in.

its-lex-actually.bsky.social•35 days ago

The right to vote includes the right not to vote. Harassing non-voters, third-party voters, unhappy party-line voters etc is all completely out of line.

You need to consider that the Democratic Party did not DO enough to WIN those votes. That they’re the ones who signed their own death warrant.

frostybought.bsky.social•35 days ago

I agree I think we should be blaming the party. The Dems have put up an appalling opposition. They did nothing before Biden left to curtail exec power, theyve offered No plan going forward for us to rally behind, to resist.
They're busy playing nice on the hill now.
And we're left out.

sdnorman.bsky.social•36 days ago

Well said.

erikerikson.bsky.social•36 days ago

The people I reluctantly voted for in 2020 and 2024 for POTUS rolled out the red carpet for the person they said might destroy democracy. The senator I voted for in 2024 confirmed most of his nominees.

I’m starting to wonder if I’m complicit in the continued failure of this party by voting for it.

xianlandia.com•36 days ago

nope — duverger’s law — unless you want to follow the theory of the weimar communists (“After hitler, our turn”)

erikerikson.bsky.social•36 days ago

Don’t you think it’s a chilling example in the Weimar case to hope that electoral liberalism will prevail?

xianlandia.com•35 days ago

if that’s what you took from it pretty sure we’re done

erikerikson.bsky.social•35 days ago

Why are we done?

allthepages.org•36 days ago

I don't know about complicit, but there is a *lot* of cognitive dissonance around the Prez saying these folks are an actual, tangible threat to our democracy & then welcoming them with open arms at the WH.

I mean, wtaf is going on here?

If an actual threat, you failed to respond. If not, you lied.

thissteveguy.bsky.social•36 days ago

Blaming the voters instead of the candidate who lost is where the libs lose me. The Democratic Party used to be able to say their candidate lost and point to the reasons why. But ever since 2016, they've been placing the blame solely on the voters, and their loyal acolytes have been following suit.

xac.bsky.social•35 days ago

Nobody is blaming voters, they’re blaming non-voters and those who protest-voted for a candidate who couldn’t win.

thissteveguy.bsky.social•35 days ago

Blaming anybody but the candidate who lost is childish and pointless, let alone millions of people. Harris had one job to do and she completely failed at it. Democrats used to understand this but ever since 2016, they've decided their candidates are now always blameless when they lose.

xac.bsky.social•35 days ago

Yeah, I didn’t love Harris either but when November rolled around I put on my big boy pants and voted to keep the worse candidate out of office. Too bad others couldn’t be bothered.

thissteveguy.bsky.social•35 days ago

Too bad the Democratic Party leadership decided they would try to win while alienating voters they really couldn't afford to lose. They catered primarily to moderate Republicans and essentially told their progressive base to fuck off. They found a stupid way to lose a very winnable election.

peek.bsky.social•36 days ago

i have no particular faith in electoralism to affect real, meaningful change, however, i still vote because i figure, shit, no reason NOT to. this is one of the great things about universal mail-in voting, the barrier to entry is so low I can't justify not doing it lmao

mopbucket.bsky.social•36 days ago

There's a centuries-old body of work on Pascal's Wager that complicates this argument a bit but it's not the worst rationale I've seen for voting ;)

peek.bsky.social•36 days ago

hahaha basically i just go "well, it's not going to make things WORSE"

julieannnitsch.bsky.social•36 days ago

I think as individuals we have to de-center ourselves. People hold guilt and project anger at others. We got to invested in identity politics and removed from working and poor folks needs. We divided ourselves in the name of “equity”.

anildash.com•36 days ago

Miss me with the reflexive blaming of idpol

metsfan.bsky.social•36 days ago

"we stopped treating white male Christian as the default"

julieannnitsch.bsky.social•36 days ago

By identity I don’t just mean race. It’s become a “race to the bottom” a term I think explains it. I’ve seen WW talk down a Palestinian man by claiming sexism. Identity is weaponized. Our focus should be helping struggling ppl.

julieannnitsch.bsky.social•36 days ago

I’ve worked inside the party. I’ve seen them put poc in racist situation, then claim “we tried”. I’ve seen them tokenize instead of help. I’ve seen people (white ppl) weaponize their identity against poor people. I watched the left devolve during Occupy. I studied it.

its-lex-actually.bsky.social•35 days ago

Then you should know that simplifying everything down to idpol is exactly what MAGA wants. And that the Dems frequently weaponize this for exactly the same gains the GOP does. Don’t think for yourself; don’t spot the class war underneath. Just vote for the team you were taught is good.

julieannnitsch.bsky.social•35 days ago

Exactly.

landmarx24.bsky.social•35 days ago

I can appreciate that. Although I've spent years considering the likelihood that undisturbed sleep will be a casualty of the struggle. Because of what we see, and perhaps what we'll do.

dvidsilva.bsky.social•36 days ago

The infighting is inevitable when lots of opinions are dumb, sentimental and offer no actionable realistic path

The busy people, underfunded, building awesome projects are not arguing dumb shit

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