It's weird to have elected leaders who say they want to crash the economy, reinstate segregation, strip human rights and create a perpetual underclass and then have people ask why are they doing this are they bad at economics ?
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Must add, they seem to not just want to segregate America, but isolate it from the rest of the world. Which is a scary thought, especially if they work to please a foreign power. I bet they are being bypassed behind closed doors, in case in the future allies are especially needed.
They aim to control all the media and brainwash the entire population. Europe and Canada are their biggest enemies, because they dont want people to remember all the things they lost.
Talking to Magas breaks my heart, because a lot of that seems to have worked. I'm Finnish. My American friend turned Maga, because all the adults in her family and neighborhood were. She told me I live in a bubble. I asked how that is, when she gets her news from one TV channel while I get mine >
> from several sources in Finnish and English, from many countries, which is less even than many Europeans do. She had no answer and just attacked verbally. I wasn't saying this to brag, but because she had gone from openminded to Maga so seemingly suddenly. It felt really scary. Parroting claims
Right. They really are getting more and more agressive. And the tone against Europe and Canada is insane. They do it to make the public hate them, so when people are starving due to their policies they'll just blame Canada. They are manufacturing support for the destruction of western democracies.
The billionaires are deliberately crashing the economy to swoop in and buy everything up for pennies on the dollar while working class Americans all lose their retirement funds.
Fear, misunderstanding, and discomfort have fueled the backlash. But what if, instead of arguing, we listened? What if we asked, "How can we move forward together?"
Im probably alone in thinking this, but i dont think they are beholden to Russia. Russia has been trying to destabilize the west for decades and helped create the conditions necessary.
The leading oligarchs dont seem to have any ties to Russia, but I think they'll ally with them to destroy Europe.
Since Reagan Republicans have been working to make the US a third world country. They want to end organized labor, the social safety net and efforts toward social equality. They want cheap, powerless labor, control of the vote and a permanent, submissive servant class.
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The top 1% believe they have enough stored away to weather ANY storm…
So civil war, WW3, disease, and another economic depression is like watching porn to them
People continue to be manipulated by Trump’s mastery of making the media chase after every lie he throws out to them AND use his propaganda language with they do it.
It's not an exaggeration. Cancelling DEI policies is cracking the door open. Once they've done away with the Trans community, the gay community and the disabled who do you think is next? They are already disappearing people with no criminal records to el Salvatore.
You don't need a degree in economics to understand what they are doing and why. But as someone with a degree in econ: theyre doing this to crash the economy. They've told us. Trump and Elon are compromised by Putin and Vance is an acolyte of Curtis Yarvin.
The Yarvin/Rationalist stuff is the most unhinged, 19-year-old-on-their-first-acid-trip-after-their-philosophy-final, stuff I have ever had the displeasure to break my brain thinking about.
That's the terrifying part. They are so absolutely convinced that this is the way & the lot of them are in such positions of power with histories of abuses that not a soul told them that they were insane.
I remember watching the very rapid fall of the USSR. It appears to me Putin is getting his revenge. The best way to end an empire is to bankrupt it. Strap in, this is going to be bad.
Also, once it does crash and businesses close and homes are foreclosed on, trump, Elon, the 13 billionaires trump wanted on his cabinet and all the other billionaires can buy everything up for pennies.
The ultimate goal is outlined in Curtis Yarvin's "Butterfly Revolution" they, essentially, want to hit the reset button on all important institutions, both public and private, and re-make them according to their ideology. I write about it here:
They are going to build ten network states. Huge pieces of land were they will be kings. They have already proposed a huge piece of land in Texas for Musk, and Peter Thiel is behind the stealing of Greenland.
Like 20 dudes or whatever are going to buy everything they force into bankruptcy, and they become the only holders of capital, probably crypto instead of USD. Force everyone else to obey them or starve. Giant company store.
It's easiest to think of Trump as a stupider, cruder, more orange Putin. Why is Putin throwing hundreds of thousands into the meat grinder? Why did he make russia into (one of) the most hated countries on the planet? Why doesn't he care about his own people? Same exact mindset.
You don't need the kind of support you may be thinking of, if there are no elections or sham elections. You don't need that kind of support if you own the Police and the FBI and the DOJ and the CIA and the Army, Air Force, Space Force, and that one other force, I think there's one more. You don't.
I feel like people keep asking this question and I sincerely don't understand it. People are inherently internally inconsistent and to them this doesn't make sense. OK it doesn't make sense to YOU. I think mayo is the worst food stuff on the planet and yet everyone keeps putting it on sandwiches
And I can see them trying it to destroy democracy but my brain wants to tell me that isn't their end goal bc then I start running scenarios in my head of how you maintain that goal in a voting country and it is not a pretty outcome.
Yeah I'm not sure why I'm like this but I've always been like this. There's absolutely a part of my brain that is like this can't be right but it's quiet
People have told me I'm a doomer for sharing this a lot and I'm like... There's a thousand ways this could play out. It's not dooming to understand what their end goal is though
Specifically, they want to destroy democracy because Yarvin is terrified that without a strong, authoritarian government to keep order, poor people will come and take his stuff.
Literally, that's the core of his manifestos, once you drill down past the pretense.
If you go through and look for all the things he admires about authoritarian governments and dictatorships, it's that the streets are clean and crime is kept low through draconian punishments. That's basically it.
It’s literally answered at the top of this chain. Yes they want to end democracy. Yes they want to be kings and dictators. Yes they get hard watching you , anyone worth less than them, suffer.
Thiel is Grandchild of Germans that moved to South Africa after the fall of the Nazis. Who clearly has fond memories of being raised as a white boy under apartheid and is pissed at western culture for helping end that. Probably got Gpa’s stories of how great the 1930s were too.
As Neil LaChappelle commented above on this thread , "Destroy the administrative nation state, its institutions and liberal democratic governance, and amongst its shards, establish a few thousand neo-feudal techno fiefdoms".
My sister was saying to me today “they’re stripping away all the safety nets but they want everybody to have children…. what is their endgame.? And I told her “whatever you do, don’t look up Curtis Yarvin, because then you’ll know the endgame is we become biofuel.”
It can help to begin with the most important thing being that Trump and his crowd are doing what they’re doing. It’s much less important why they’re doing it.
We don’t need to ponder their motivation as much as some people do.
People keep acting like they're just stupid and don't know what they're really doing. I think it's important to be clear they're not ignorant they know what they're doing and this is the goal.
That old "never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ignorance" expression people like to trot out has done so much damage. This crew is and has been malicious all along and it's been frustratingly obvious.
I'm sorry, assuming that this is happening because the president of the United States is taking orders from the leader of a foreign government as part of a nefarious plot is the rationale that is the least complex instead of assuming incompetence?
I think it's really weird to argue when Trump and Elon have both said they want to crash the economy. You can argue about it but they've both said it. Similarly, the only state Trump didn't put tarrifs against was Russia. Hillary warned about Putin in 2016. 9 years later you're still ignoring her
And to be fair, I'll offer my own take; given Trump's long standing beliefs about trade deficit and his talk on tariffs prior to the election he is in fact this stupid.
As for his coterie of Toadies, viziers, and eunuchs they're okay with the economy crashing because they're either insulated from it, believe they can benefit from it, or think that opposing Trump will ruin their other schemes and grifts.
For any one of those, sure. It's the combination of all the factors that point towards an actual plan because they all lead towards one goal, so it would be more complex to assume pure incompetence because of the sheer amount of..."luck" needed.
They've said it. This is killing me Trump has said it! Elon has said it! Vances links to thiel and yarvin are extensive and they want to crash the economy.
We are not arguing over what is happening, but why. Your position reads like a BlueAnon conspiracy theory. My position is that there are a bunch of evil and incompetent people in gov with overlapping and competing interests and that there isn't a unified plan in place being directed by Putin. (1/2)
I know! They've both said it!
They've said exactly what they're going to do, but nobody who has the authority to do anything about it seems to be listening.
He is taking the US$100 out as the global standard unit. The instability, means some other currency (Yuan maybe) will be new standard;
goal to knock US to third world level of influence
He f'd us for Putin!
He f'd the world for Putin!!
He f'd the US for Oligarchs!!!
Yep. Destroy the administrative nation state, its institutions and liberal democratic governance, and amongst its shards, establish a few thousand neo-feudal techno fiefdoms
If you're in the cult you can't see it's a matter of self-preservation because whatever the cult leader does is automatically right. It's everyone else who's wrong.
I suspect the non- or at least less-cultish ones, the ones who speak on background about their "concerns," are waiting for someone else with power to stop him so they don't have to incur MAGA wrath. And those someone elses are waiting for Congress to stop him.
I mean, I GET that they think they can rebuild the country in their own image once it's been shredded and burnt to the ground, but that's not how this is going to go down; you can't get 350 million people to agree to go along on this plan.
That's the beauty of populism: invite the press, give plenty of cash to workers with an iconic job ppl can identify with, like coal miners. It makes you look like you are concerned with blue collars. Don't give anything to the rest, and voilà: you look humane and you fuck everything up.
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Had a former member of Congress tonight admit that she wanted to ask a career diplomat how to negotiate with Trump and I resisted the urge to tell her that Trump is not a rational actor and that he doesn’t care
I think the way you "negotiate" is flatter him shamelessly and then get him to sign whatever the fuck it is before he moves on to the next person who influences him.
but the best way is idk NOT ELEVATE HIM TO A POSITION WHERE YOU NEED TO "NEGOTIATE" WITH THE CRIMINAL IN THE DAMN FIRST PLACE
I say Nazi repeatedly until they acknowledge that is the reason. They made their hate into a single word, so why not use it to describe them and their motivations.
Of course, then I get "they're not nazis," and then I have to post or show the gif of him saluting twice.
It's also weird that impeachment is the only non-violent remedy and basically no one in Congress nor major pundits are talking about the need to impeach Trump (and other Republicans) to protect the USA.
Because at this point there is not a single person in this country that can say they didn't know what the plan was. Even if they didn't want to listen to anybody on the left, the right said it too. There are no surprises here. My only surprise is that so many voters believed they weren't included
Why would it need to be sophisticated? They have more money than god. They just needed to bury the country under propaganda for like 8 years. Means nothing to their wallets AND they get the added perk of stroking their egos. It’s everything a low cognition moron could want
Well, most people aren’t low cognition morons-but we’ve seen checks and balances actually working much of the time-because the system is set up that way. We’ve not seen a time where those entrusted with power to act simply abdicated-whether because of self preservation-or perceived opportunity.
Not my words originally-but there’s a reason I used them. Neither the original nor my use are referring to people with learning disabilities-they’re referring to people not challenged cognitively-but making choices as if they don’t have full suite of mental tools available.
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This is something I'm trying out. I hope you can participate and pass it along. You gotta start somewhere.
i keep coming back to this article which very explicitly stated in their own words that the pinkerton securities people are entirely banking on chaos and civil unrest getting more widespread, and leasing their services to rich fucks who fear collapse and retribution https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/10/magazine/climate-change-pinkertons.html
Here’s the rub I had an online debate with a young guy complaining about what he can’t afford while thinking tariffs are the answer. I told him a better policy would be to increase wages instead of making things more expensive. He disagreed. WTF.
It's people saying - but the southern border - the same southern border that gives them the cheap produce and the affordable meat. People have no idea about economics. I see it on the few occasions that politics shows in my Nextdoor. On average people do not read, listen or or are otherwise critical
““I have no idea what Project 2025 is,” Trump said Oct. 31 at a rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico, one of many times he disclaimed any knowledge of the plan. “I’ve never read it, and I never will.”
Anyone making this argument has fundamentally failed to grasp what is happening in this country. We're stuck with this until enough people realize Maga is the Fourth Reich. I don't know what it will take for us to reach that tipping point.
The GOP has talked about variations of this for 15 to 20 years. They found the useful idiot who appeals to a portion of their idgit base. Trump is the 2 time Presidential candidate for the GOP not by accident. Trump administration is being meticulously led in its actions by the Republican Party.
If you take it that Trump & Musk are good at doing stuff for Trump & Musk. But overall, even students with high on the autism spectrum have much more humanity than these guys
This is what Americans wanted: This is what the people voted for, because they simply wouldn’t tolerate the idea of a female president. Now we reap all the consequences.
They want to establish a dictatorship. They crash everything then people riot he declares marshal law suspending the federal government & giving them total authority. They will use the military against civilians.
Yeah the majority are magas so don’t count on them saving anyone. They watch Fox news 24/7 on all bases & USO facilities. They’ll be more than happy to slaughter the liberals.
This goes back to all the lunacy of people voting for him because inflation, which was always, ALWAYS a lie. They wanted segregation and they've been promised that means their own goods will be cheap and they'll have higher status than 'those people'. They're about to find out.
“We believe that a new phase is coming in the development of human society. All will collapse-both Europe and America, and the U.S. dollar. It’s a matter of time. By the way, if the dollar collapses, after that crashes the old world order.” - Yuri Shalyganov
The weirdest thing though is that that’s not what republicans are thinking. I watched Fox last night just to see what they were saying & their headlines were “restoring the American dream” … “Trump is cleaning up the mess the Globalists made”. I wonder if they even know what a globalist is?
It's a dog whistle for "Jew". Because behind their bleeding heart "support for Israel" (actually support for Bibi because he's a fascist like them) they're actually textbook Nazis.
I believe the mass consumption of social media drivel over the last decade or so has led to this - people have learned to not believe their eyes and ears - it’s all entertainment. They’ve lost their critical thinking skills, their cognitive skills.
What makes it the worse
Is people clapping and cheering it on
And elected officials hiding from their constituents
And supporting the same policies that are destroying us
I think they are sending America back to when the stock market crashed in 1929. In the 50s there was a strong middle class. That is not what they are looking for. Look out for Hoovervilles.
These billionaires have their money invested in stocks, which consist of goods and services. What are they planning to do when no one in this country can afford to buy these goods and services?
60% of America lives paycheck to paycheck. I believe the billionaires want to crash the economy, force mortgage foreclosures and buy up American real estate to sell to foreigners like Russia's oligarchs. Trump's already said for 5 million bucks they can BUY American citizenship. First up? Veterans.
That doesn't really affect a lot of them, I don't think. No matter how far the economy falls, Musk will always be okay. These moves crush the average millionaire, but the billionaires will just be able to buy more cheap land. Eventually, the average person will have no choice but to work for them.
The largest group of consumers are the middle class. This is the group that will crash first. When their jobs are gone, they can't buy anything. Retail will close. Manufacturing will close. Who will be able to buy anything? The handful of billionaires?
unions are a reasonable path to take back power (and are very directly being targeted in the federal government). Maybe the destruction of federal govt unions can be stopped. One can't rebuild unions in the u.s. in general in a day of course.
I'm not actually sure Trump himself wants to crash the economy, he just doesn't particularly care as long as he can live out his fantasy of making The Ultimate Deal.
others think they can build the theocracy from what's left; others still, who appear to be driving, this IS the goal
I really believe the ultra wealthy, or at least many, want to turn the US into am American version of South Africa, with a privileged few living like royalty and everyone else poor and desperate.
Outside of silicone valley I don't think anyone who voted for Trump did so with a clear understanding that his goal was to crash the economy. Many people think foreign countries pay tarrifs not the US. This is not a defense of his voters but it's not fair to say they voted for this
Republicans are notoriously bad at economics and governing. Historical facts reflect that. The problem is the corporate propaganda media is telling the American people the opposite. They want us to believe Biden’s economy was bad and that Trump inherited a mess. Not true.
They have a vision for the world and we aren’t included. If you’re not a billionaire your nothing. It’s amazing to me how much Trump and Musk have screwed us. We must stick together and stop them.
We know that the trumpster won the election bs the repos told us that only the man that had gone bankrupt six times can fix the best nation with the fastest recovering economy after Covid !!!
We have them because reasonably sane, rational elected leaders chose to deliver most of the gains from economic growth to the rich (individuals and corporations) over the everyday people. Then snake oil salesmen managed to persuade the understandably upset people to support their lunatic agenda.
Collectively, all of the actions taken, from politically destabilizing government, gutting science and human services, absolutely tanking the economy... it does one thing.
It devalues the USD. This means funds in forms other than USD becomes worth more. American land and resources become cheaper.
So, if the majority of your wealth is in say, oil, gold, other commodities, or currencies not based in the USD, and you can create just the right level of desperation, it isn't all that hard to see what's next.... land grabs and privatization.
So, I collect those bottlecaps, and also, to my captive audience that *has* to use bottlecaps, well, they get desperate, because they are able to buy less and less, and need more and more to get those darn caps.
Soon, they have no choice but to sell to me to even get bottle caps.
Now I've gotten their stuff, and I've gotten a crapton of bottlecaps. But I know, the others who are stuck using bottlecaps aren't going to deal with it forever, so I hold on to those caps, and their stuff, because, reasons.
Every motherfucker who voted for this fucking racist rapist felon can enjoy the fucking their wallet will get. And they’re wrong yet again, bunch of idiots
No a small amount of people voted for this administration out of stupidity...the other half of people didn't vote at all...you are the people who brought this NAZI regime into our Whitehouse! Now we have to clean up your mess!
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Fear, misunderstanding, and discomfort have fueled the backlash. But what if, instead of arguing, we listened? What if we asked, "How can we move forward together?"
https://open.substack.com/pub/amymoore50/p/bridging-the-divide-understanding?r=3upaa&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
The leading oligarchs dont seem to have any ties to Russia, but I think they'll ally with them to destroy Europe.
https://theplotagainstamerica.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
I mean, the job was half-done for them when they took over.
Though the answer to the question is also yes.
In fairness they are not good at much, getting attention and hating people with less power than them seem to be the core strengths.
Not coincidentally, the author of that quote was a Mississippian.
Examples here
I hope they all suffer more than us
It’s these gullible bigots
So civil war, WW3, disease, and another economic depression is like watching porn to them
And what does every good Russian want?
Death to Americans.
It’s ridiculous. Like dogs chasing a car.
Heres a good explanation for what Trump is doing with tariffs. Every corp will need to beg and kowtow to get an exception for the imported materials they need.
https://bsky.app/profile/chrismurphyct.bsky.social/post/3lluxkmx7wc2m
https://jfhatfield.substack.com/p/explaining-the-new-right-an-interlude
To make supporting democracy around the world untenable? To bring back zero interest rates? To split the country in two?
I just don't get the end game of a blatantly destroying the economy when you need support to stay in power.
https://gizmodo.com/peter-thiel-backed-startup-that-wanted-to-buy-greenland-is-thrilled-that-trump-wants-to-buy-greenland-2000548415
But I guess my brain just doesn't want to accept that America is at the no more "real elections" stage already.
We're not there yet.
And I can see them trying it to destroy democracy but my brain wants to tell me that isn't their end goal bc then I start running scenarios in my head of how you maintain that goal in a voting country and it is not a pretty outcome.
Literally, that's the core of his manifestos, once you drill down past the pretense.
https://open.substack.com/pub/waleedshahid/p/the-ceo-coup-how-musk-is-making-yarvins?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=zgryz
https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no?si=QE865s0S6ZG-owDu
They want to genocide the people. And no one seems to want to stop it.
I keep thinking about the psychology behind that.
You despise the very people who are essential to your entire sense of self. Weird.
Reminds me of men’s resentment toward women in a way (i.e: they hate that they need us).
/SARCASM
We don’t need to ponder their motivation as much as some people do.
But then, even though the figurehead is in front of the ship, that doesn't mean it's actually in charge or plotting the course.
When asked about our new governor, my #1 response: he’s not malicious.
They're all full-fledged Psychos!
They've said exactly what they're going to do, but nobody who has the authority to do anything about it seems to be listening.
He is taking the US$100 out as the global standard unit. The instability, means some other currency (Yuan maybe) will be new standard;
goal to knock US to third world level of influence
He f'd us for Putin!
He f'd the world for Putin!!
He f'd the US for Oligarchs!!!
https://bsky.app/profile/dontbeevil.bsky.social/post/3llxdny6pvs27
It was just 10 years ago that the GOP said how we were better off during slavery.
What’s weird is how the fight against these ideals is so polite and respectful.
but the best way is idk NOT ELEVATE HIM TO A POSITION WHERE YOU NEED TO "NEGOTIATE" WITH THE CRIMINAL IN THE DAMN FIRST PLACE
Of course, then I get "they're not nazis," and then I have to post or show the gif of him saluting twice.
Ignorance is death.
Jokes on her, that might be the exact future we’re heading towards.
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This is something I'm trying out. I hope you can participate and pass it along. You gotta start somewhere.
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one of my favorites
Economist from project 2025:
https://youtu.be/vgEQeLR-M0g?si=ZZWC6LBpjsEcy7ew
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/02/donald-trump-said-he-knew-nothing-about-project-2025-now-its-his-health-care-playbook.html
-RJ Evans, American Heathen® REDUX
Time for Americans and the world to suffer the consequences.
you might also want to consider just how much the military is loving this administration right about now.
i'm not saying it isn't dangerous but there are some holes in their plans here
https://washingtonspectator.org/project-russia-reveals-putins-playbook/
Is people clapping and cheering it on
And elected officials hiding from their constituents
And supporting the same policies that are destroying us
60% of Americans can't take a $2,000 surprise expense. A few missed social security checks and Mom's house is theirs.
"If my mom's check didn't show up, she would be ok!"
He is a billionaire!
You got her! I hope 🤷♀️
The rest of AMERICA
would be devastated by this. I would be.
DISABLED adults live check to check!
This would put me & my VETERAN husband out on the streets.
🤷♀️💙⚖
WHY?
How many people would sell their home and live in company housing to avoid getting fired?
Or be OK getting paid in CorpoCoin that only works in company stores?
Not like they haven't done it before.
Im assuming that many people in high positions know what is happening. So why aren't they speaking?
others think they can build the theocracy from what's left; others still, who appear to be driving, this IS the goal
I think it's fair to call them out for the many racist and bigoted policies that they were in full support of but they weren't calling for this.
people wanted this and we need to acknowledge that
Because the Democrats don't wanna go there that's why.
It devalues the USD. This means funds in forms other than USD becomes worth more. American land and resources become cheaper.
This isn't high level economics.
Now I have a lot of bottlecaps, but I want more bottlecaps; I especially want other stuff that others have, but they don't need my bottle caps enough.
Bottlecaps become worth less and less, taking more and more of them to do the same stuff.
Soon, they have no choice but to sell to me to even get bottle caps.
Peter Thiel is hiding in the shadows. They fear being exposed to soon, before they consolidate complete power.