That "Due Process" is even a contentious issue now shows how our broken country has moved from the values of whose who wrote our Constitution. We are a country adrift.
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We need to explain it to people, because many don't get it. I had a 30-minute argument on the socials yesterday with a guy who would not grasp that Kilmar Abrego Garcia does not have to prove that he's NOT an MS-13 member, but that the state is obligated to prove that he IS.
Mike Johnson controlled Congress, The House of Representatives, and the House of Oversite Committee, either with threats or bribes.
Allowing Trump to get away with so many Criminal Actions.
Once Mike Johnson is removed, replaced by a partisan?
You don't hear lying hypocrites like Franklin Graham quoting Jesus words often anymore-it's all about ginning up the flock of far right white Evangelicals with imagined persecutions of christians(their kind) that doesn't exist & whine about
the far left who aren't following"their"gods will
The unnerving part is what their ideology does to those who value constitutional rights. Their beliefs are forcing the question "how far do you go to protect those rights?". That's really difficult in today's day and age.
I am stuck at divided, not quite to adrift. Adrift would suggest we lost our tether, but WE haven't, it's only the folks who've been suckled on the far right rhetoric about "other" and their woes being caused by that nebulous group. If they can't see that these rights are their rights, f*ck 'em.
The Brainwashing done by #FoxNews for 2 decades, has destroyed the moral fiber of our Country! The lies & disinformation by #DonaldTrump for almost a decade & the attacks on good, honest people, has caused our Nation to rot from within! #ProtectOurConstitution
That’s a blatant attack on the values of America. If Congress is not going to act then the judicial needs to act, and individual states need to start standing up, then collectively rebelling.
Removal of Mike Johnson who controls the House of Representatives and House of Oversite, demanding they follow his lead on letting Trump get away with Criminal actions.
As head Speaker and MAGA, threats are being made in Congress
Absolutely true. There is no debate about due process. We cannot allow Republicans to make one.
MSM and Democrats need to push back hard against anyone who claims we don’t need it. Or it’s only available for some.
Inevitably, we all become the expendable ones.
Precisely, who would have ever thought that these provisions of our constitution would ever come into question? I can only think that the Founders are rolling over in their graves at what has happened. I also never would have thought we would have an elected wanna be dictator in th Oval Office.
It's incomprehensible to me! How HOW can we be adrift. If everyone, MAGATS mostly read just a passage of or watched a documentary on the horrors our rebel soldiers endured just at Valley Forge, we could and would meet in the middle to see there will never be a place for a king in our beloved country
When the trump shitshow ends, we need to hold off on due process until everyone in the trump administration is prosecuted, just so they feel it. And then go back.
I know revenge sounds cathartic, but honestly I'm not afraid of due process. I think we can make our case, in court, using facts and evidence, to show whether crimes are committed.
And if we can't make our case, then I'm okay with the guys walking free.
Except for we will have the evidence. But none of that matters. The right wingers own the court system, having put in place the pieces that will excuse their crimes. Have you not been paying attention? The “high ground” is why we are here today.
I don’t know. It was so good to lay out all the war crimes and crimes against humanity of each Nazi at the Nuremberg trials. To prevent a Trumpist movement from recurring, it will help so much to spell out exactly what each one did wrong & create new case law to outlaw it. Too good a chance to waste
I agree, but these cases will be before the same courts who have dismissed or excused the right wingers crimes already. We can expect different outcomes from the same judicial tools.
We are but we need to continue to pressure those who want to destroy our country and democracy. It’s up to us, We the People to restore democracy and the rule of law. We must not stop our relentless pursuit of our American ideals!
I totally get it. I’m very lucky, I’m dying. So, I get to play with my life. I really hope you’re taking your life and taking care of yourself. We need you.
Adrift in a sea of dark money and extreme propaganda being stirred by fascist billionaires and their complicit politicians and legacy media corporations
Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. Interestingly enough, it was evangelical churches that propped up trump and his message of hate. Their fruits are obvious.
& AGAIN I refer to my previous post 🤦🏽♂️ no matter what flag or symbol or cross they attempt to hide behind they are NOT of God but are of the Devil! Kenneth Copeland worth $300 MILLION yet Christ had no place to rest his head. You are caught in their snare.
If there was a good time for a welcomed revival of Christ spirit in the classic pre-church-state sense, it would be around now. I don't agree with the "there's only bad religion" folks. But I agree with folks who testify that good religion is hard to find today.
Seems like due process is only for good people. Bad people get deported. ICE can tell the difference, don't cross them or you too will be a bad person.
We're not! We're contacting our reps, signing petitions, voting, donating to causes (as opposed to politicians), boycotting businesses, supporting independent media, & marching by the millions--from the big scheduled protests to the small, spontaneous ones popping up in small towns.
Not Trump anymore
This is Mike Johnson doing against, following against the Laws.
Mike Johnson bows to Trump, whatever he wants Johnson makes others follow, to pass or reject, Trump.
Mike Johnson should be removed after rejecting his Oaths. To protect the American Citizens
It's not that they don't support due process any longer, it's that they are all in such a massive cult that when they are TOLD they don't support it then that's their new opinion.
Tomorrow Trump could say he champions due process and they would instantly change their minds.
Our idea of Due Process actually comes from the English Magna Carta written in 1215.
Violation of colonists right to Due Process is mentioned by Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence as an example of King George's tyranny. It was so intolerable that it justified a revolution.
Republicans own this mess. Traitors to the their oath of the 236 year old constitution. If they want to pledge allegiance to P2025–they need to be removed.
I can't believe NONE of the corporate media spew monkeys have ever even seen the Bill of Rights! If they had, they'd be tearing those Nazis new assholes daily!
I used to believe in America and have some very good and decent friends there, but as an Aussie I can no longer trust the country under the "leadership" of that convicted criminal.
Looking at America from the outside, it certainly looks like it has lost its way. Gleefully voting for a man-baby who would be king (a definite dictator) and ‘disappearing’ innocent people off the streets and sending them to foreign hell holes.
Its Fox News, and now all who have followed their lead.
They have successfully dumbed the people down so far that they will literally believe anything out of Sean Hannity's mouth. Until we end 24/7 propaganda (nm the hatred), this problem will only get worse. We need truth laws.
Without due process we are left to the whim of whomever holds the power. This applies to republicans as well under a democratic govt. Why this is a question is simply beyond me.
The depth of dishonor, damage, failure, corruption, criminality & cruelty of this POTUS, VP & minions has no bottom. A stain on their families, party and our nation. A convicted felon with a lifetime record of dishonor, bankruptcies & failed relationships is ruling USA, Sad! #ProtectTheConstitution🇺🇸
“Adrift” would be an improvement, implying we’re at least floating/treading water even if we’re moving aimlessly. We’re sinking, as sure as the Titanic. Seems we hit an ICEberg.
Worth a read, if only to show (in BIG BLACK UNDERLINED LETTERS) the extent to which Alito* will argue in bad faith to support the administration's kidnapping efforts.
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Justice intentionally omitted. Just as Alito would.
Self-identified "conservatives" neither understand nor care about the US Constitution or its principles and they never have or will.
Their only guiding "principles" are and have always been simply Power, Privilege, and Property.
They will say anything to achieve their ends and think that's ok.
And they use words as both weapons AND shields depending on what suits them at the time!
They have always been this way at their core, the mask has just been deemed no longer necessary
Trump says it would take 200 years for everyone to have due process . Maybe they should have passed the border security bill and paid for more immigration judges . When will he decide it takes to long for Americans to have due proves. The convicted felon sure got due process and more!
So true. If “due process” is too esoteric a concept for some, I break it down to the more basic tenet of “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”.
If I still get hemming and hawing on that core tenet, I shrug and walk away from the fascist wannabe.
That “due process” is even up for debate shows how far we’ve strayed from our founding values. Many Americans, claiming to be Christians, deny due process to people of color—while worshiping a brown-skinned man who preached justice and mercy. The hypocrisy is staggering.
With a propaganda network which reaches across the entire nation 24 seven, Democrats don’t realize that Fox News and it’s spawn are on every public television in every space in this country
Although historically the country has never fully committed to due process for all. There was always some group that didn’t deserve or get it. Even some of the founding fathers had issues about slavery when writing the Declaration of Independence and for unity’s sake left them out.
It's a free country, unless you are driving while black, working while Latino...
Then you get a free pass for jail where you have no rights and are used as slave labour.
America was only the best democracy in the world in America's eyes.
And god forbid a poor person has access to healthcare.
We need to focus on those elements within our country who are broken. Trump cultists, grifters, MAGA, Christian Nationalists, billionaires, all those self interested donors to Trump, law firms that caved and, of course, the first felon himself.
"I think the Supreme Court can be over-ruled by anything other than a Constitutional Amendment which requires ratification by 75% of the states. I am smart."
Also, the notion that someone who crossed a border illegally deserves to be sent to a concentration camp has been normalized by the media. The right wing thinks that human rights is “gay” when it is applied to others.
Because of Mike Johnson, running The House of Representatives and the Oversite.
Whatever Trump wants Mike Johnson does for him.
Instead of his Oath for the American Citizens.
Mike Johnson bows to 1- man-Trump
That "Due Process" is even a contentious issue now shows how far the broken Republican Party has moved from the values of those who wrote our Constitution. Republicans are a party adrift.
More like country a-grift, ruled by criminals and grifters. Trump telling how he admires Putin and other dictators should have been a giveaway, bringing that corruption and rot into the US. Turning rule of law into rule by law that treats you different depending on who you are.
MAGA has always been against the Constitution. They are against the rule of law. They are against anything humane or principled. These are people who worship Hate above all else.
Of course Due Process doesn't stop lynching,rape,abuse of defenseless."Due process" can't stop those who are evil from choosing to hurt others but without strong"Due Process"we are overrun by the psychopaths who deny our rights to freedom from harm It must work for the guilty & the innocent to work
My point is that "Due Process" is not something that we've had. The difference today is that it seems a majority of people realize its importance to them. Why is it, though, that so many Americans do not?
I agree with you 100%, but I think empathy prevents more injustice than principles.
I DO agree with you empathy is a virtue that always seeks justice for all but the Trumps of the world are fascists & hate due process for all.That is why we need Due Process as defined in our Constitution to force those without empathy to adhere to the law Trump & his maga congress violate now
We've always had "Due Process"but it's not universally meted out.We notice it's absence when taken away.Many now see the trump fascist gutting of"Rule Of Law"He is a psychopath with no guardrails now
The message Trump is sending is clear: He can have anyone arrested & disappear into Hell on a whim
I agree that the law has been there. But, it's 2025 and there are people still not getting it. Right. Now it could be anybody who speaks out or can be described as a threat.
I agree, many people are denied due process as George Floyd was when tortured & murdered by corrupt cop All those of conscience were enraged.The marches here & around world demanded justice & finally we got it for Mr Floyd.Justice is not uniform; that is why we have the ACLU, NAACP who fight for D.P
& America was warned by the rest of planet Earth & you still voted for Adolf Trump! We will never forget in Europe what horror was inflicted 100 years ago & today America will learn all the same lessons because it’s only when the evil of fascism is inflicted upon those who welcome it do they learn!
We are a country that is being pulled toward tyranny, hatred, villainy, bigotry- but we are pushing back. @barackobama.bsky.social was right when he said sometimes we have to sacrifice to save democracy. The call for help has gone out and we are seeing people and organizations respond. Persevere.
5th amendment, plain language: due process is a human right in the 🇺🇸 regardless of immigration status. You standing on US soil? The constitution guarantees due process. Zero ambiguity and nothing to argue- unless you’re a Nazi
And what of due process for immigrants? If we don’t guarantee due process for non citizens, all the state has to do is send ICE to arrest you, claiming you’re here illegally. You’ve been declared an immigrant, you don’t have due process to prove otherwise.
He claims Supremes don’t want justice,
And Trump is now the law. Just trust us.
The rule of law he needs to learn.
Requiring it isn’t “stymied at every turn”.
they regurgitate what they are fed in their info sphere. The word war is in every news segment, evil libs in every statement
40 years of training and indoctrination to embrace every word as truth, every evil action as necessary in the war they are in against making white america inconsequential
Almost as if the US under trump wants to rebuke the Constitution and stand with all the things this country was founder against: Monarchy, divine right of kinds, unitary power, etc.
A handful of billionaires have managed to convince a sizable part of our population that they should run everything, and that they are above the law.
The rubes believe they want to make us all billionaires, when in reality they want to make us all expendable slaves.
Trials are a thing as old as the time of Moses. And they even blew back on false accusers. If we did that now, quite likely Trump and his minions would be the ones going to El Salvador forever!
Our alienation from our beginnings illustrates the final symptoms of our failed education system—with its focus on careers and money—instead of a systematic, critical, serious exploration of the values that make a career and money worth pursuing.
I don't use the word "deserve ", no one deserves anything...really...however, I believe that we are all accountable for our thoughts, words, actions and inactions and we are accountable for the consequences from any of these conditions. 🙏
No person is entitled.
We are all one.
While due process shouldn't be controversial, there has long been a thread of "suspected criminals shouldn't have any rights" so we can be "tough on crime". The fact that it's expanded now to be suspected or potential suspects is new - and bad. Eventually it gets to be "there are no rights".
Only surprised that a 'trump constitution' hasn't been peddled yet by #fotus. You know, like his Bible but now with his 'more appropriate' interpretation of the constitution.
Which is a deflection, and actually kinda proves the point libs/Leftists are raising about the due process issue here. If J6ers weren't given due process (they were actually) then why shouldn't anyone else currently being persecuted by this regime?
(Which is to say, everyone deserves due process, but magically MAGA only had an "issue" with it when it was 'their people' being held 'unfairly' by the law. The second they're in charge and can do the same to everyone else, 'magically' it's no longer an "issue" to them.)
Americans have always displayed a willingness to trade civil liberties for a mythical promise of “safety” — I refer you to the grossly misnamed “PATRIOT” act that authorized nearly unfettered government surveillance after the trauma of 9/11.
Even if DJT is impeached it won't matter. His succession is not great either. You'd have to impeach them all, one by one. That is why the British system is better, we can force a new election when the confidence of the people, in those in power has been lost.
To add, it’s why I am going to retake my NCLEX despite long covid, 3 forms of CFS, fibromyalgia and more just to get out of the US. Our Mexican border looks like the DMZ . Hoping Canada votes correctly as I can get citizenship as a RN. Mexico is looking almost impossible to actually cross into.
I agree wholeheartedly. All 3 were part of violating the constitution. It’s actually impeachable AND treason…Dems have always been WEAK AF. 27 constitution violations and violation of the supreme court’s ruling, TWICE. I think every red hat Nazi needs to bring Sudafed to Japan to understand law.
What do these people actually love anyway? Trump I guess, but not the Constitution they all used to carry around on little cards in their pockets. Trump and the dirt we live on, nothing else is worth anything.
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Authoritarian God.
Authoritarian Dictator.
Authoritarian Theocracy.
Allowing Trump to get away with so many Criminal Actions.
Once Mike Johnson is removed, replaced by a partisan?
the far left who aren't following"their"gods will
They are 💯% responsible for this Fascist Shitshow.
Sending 300 migrants to prison in El Salvador violates 13 international laws/ treaties, US laws AND three Constitutional Amendments
Allowing this to happen means ALL of our individual freedoms and liberty, identified in the Constitution, are GONE
As head Speaker and MAGA, threats are being made in Congress
USE antifascist lye soap
TO "wash them Right out
OF OUR HAIR"
Fighting here
MSM and Democrats need to push back hard against anyone who claims we don’t need it. Or it’s only available for some.
Inevitably, we all become the expendable ones.
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
And if we can't make our case, then I'm okay with the guys walking free.
There is much to do.
Say NO to Trump!
Just say No!
This is Mike Johnson doing against, following against the Laws.
Mike Johnson bows to Trump, whatever he wants Johnson makes others follow, to pass or reject, Trump.
Mike Johnson should be removed after rejecting his Oaths. To protect the American Citizens
It (sometimes) binds those it does not protect
Tomorrow Trump could say he champions due process and they would instantly change their minds.
Violation of colonists right to Due Process is mentioned by Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence as an example of King George's tyranny. It was so intolerable that it justified a revolution.
Sinking fast‼️😡
American. Era. Is. Over.
https://bsky.app/profile/timlow3.bsky.social/post/3lng3yl46v22p
I keep getting comments like "I'm a citizen, so why should I care if these criminals get due process or not?"
Like, dude - who are you going to show your papers to? The ICE agent whose boss told him to put you on that airplane?
Just months ago it would be unthinkable.
Due Diligence
Due North
Postage Due
Due Wah Diddy Diddy Dum Diddy Doo
Nothing makes sense any more. Due whatever makes you happy, I guess.
They have successfully dumbed the people down so far that they will literally believe anything out of Sean Hannity's mouth. Until we end 24/7 propaganda (nm the hatred), this problem will only get worse. We need truth laws.
But if you hate Trump with the heat of a thousand suns....
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkkUuXcz96Y
Thank you @stevevladeck.bsky.social
Worth a read, if only to show (in BIG BLACK UNDERLINED LETTERS) the extent to which Alito* will argue in bad faith to support the administration's kidnapping efforts.
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Justice intentionally omitted. Just as Alito would.
Or in SecDef's case, heading for the scotch on the rocks.
#MAGAtville Disinformation USA, An alternate reality,
Designed and directed by an orange faced rapist, tRump.
Produced by the richest nazi on the planet, Musk,
Partnered with the global terrorist, Putin.
Avoiding a town hall near you.
Just sayin'
Their only guiding "principles" are and have always been simply Power, Privilege, and Property.
They will say anything to achieve their ends and think that's ok.
Nothing they say mattered. No amount of evidence or pointing out hypocrisy or showing their double standards or goal-shifting mattered.
All that they cared about was White Supremacy and hurting minorities. Words were weapons.
They have always been this way at their core, the mask has just been deemed no longer necessary
If I still get hemming and hawing on that core tenet, I shrug and walk away from the fascist wannabe.
With a propaganda network which reaches across the entire nation 24 seven, Democrats don’t realize that Fox News and it’s spawn are on every public television in every space in this country
Maga is fascism
Yes, it is that simple
RIP USofA!!!
What if, instead of paying to have them tortured in El Salvador, we pay them to be Trump supporters and torture them that way instead?
This country is built on:
slave labor
weaponized hate
stolen values
and many more
When were we truly the "free" country we all say we love?
As far as I'm concerned we never were.
Then you get a free pass for jail where you have no rights and are used as slave labour.
America was only the best democracy in the world in America's eyes.
And god forbid a poor person has access to healthcare.
We are not adrift. We are bing steered by conservatives who have wanted this for decades.
There is a group doing this. they have names.
Don't pretend it's some random force.
Overturning the SC requires 2/3 of the House & Senate.
Also, the Obama supermajority was about 60 days, most of it spent passing the ACA.
Here's a good link that explains it - read it to be smarter than your friends.
The Myth of Democratic Super Majority
https://factleft.com/?p=97
Also - he had a very shaky majority for much less time than you think.
You can read up about it.
Keep going MAGA dumbasses, this is fun.
Or: Not 100% Obama =/= pro-trump, Blue-MAGA.
Whatever Trump wants Mike Johnson does for him.
Instead of his Oath for the American Citizens.
Mike Johnson bows to 1- man-Trump
I agree with you 100%, but I think empathy prevents more injustice than principles.
The message Trump is sending is clear: He can have anyone arrested & disappear into Hell on a whim
He claims Supremes don’t want justice,
And Trump is now the law. Just trust us.
The rule of law he needs to learn.
Requiring it isn’t “stymied at every turn”.
40 years of training and indoctrination to embrace every word as truth, every evil action as necessary in the war they are in against making white america inconsequential
Time to bail out the bilge water and patch the boat.
#Impeach47
The Chaos Agents are winning ... they've flooded the zone with so much BS we can't even agree on simple shit.
Like "Due Process".
😡
As for the other hand, I'm reaching out with it to seriously slap some sense into these Trumpstitutes!
The rubes believe they want to make us all billionaires, when in reality they want to make us all expendable slaves.
Trials are a thing as old as the time of Moses. And they even blew back on false accusers. If we did that now, quite likely Trump and his minions would be the ones going to El Salvador forever!
Our alienation from our beginnings illustrates the final symptoms of our failed education system—with its focus on careers and money—instead of a systematic, critical, serious exploration of the values that make a career and money worth pursuing.
Make America Philosophical Again.
No person is entitled.
We are all one.
Mean, it’s explicitly written in the 5th Amendment.
Which is a deflection, and actually kinda proves the point libs/Leftists are raising about the due process issue here. If J6ers weren't given due process (they were actually) then why shouldn't anyone else currently being persecuted by this regime?
-Some dead old dude whose face is probably on money
And he has at least 3 and a half more years of destruction time to unleash on us and the country.
We are BETTER PEOPLE than this.