While I get where you're coming from, the paradox of tolerance comes into play here. We can't give everyone a seat at the table when some people are trying to take the table for themselves. You have to defeat the purpose to protect the purpose.
It’s not. That’s a careless and lazy attempt to stir up shit. MAGA dudes are cruel, arrogant and dishonest but they’re not responsible for anywhere near that level of criminality. Be better.
But according to the link you sent and the original post--you're assuming: all white people are men (women commit about 20% of violent crimes) and all white people are MAGA.
I live in a part of town that is majority undocumented or first generation American. My neighborhood is far safer than other parts of town. I love my neighbors. They're kind, respectful, hard working, they love their families and once they got to know me are generous with smiles.
The statistics are interesting. Whites are 59% of the population, Blacks 13%. Yet, statistically speaking Whites commit a percentage of all violent crimes on par with their representation in the population, save perhaps, arson. Whites seem to enjoy burning stuff down. 1/2
Black folk, on the other hand commit violent crimes at 2x, 3x, 4x disproportionate rates in relation to their representation in the overall population. Seems Black folk like Murder, Assault, Robbery and vehicle theft. Statistically, they committed rape at a 2x over-representation.
We can't win back the support from decent folks by spreading obvious lies and demonizing a group of people with stupid shit that's easily proven false. We can't hold the other side accountable for their stupidity if we're not willing to call out our own for making up hurtful "alternative facts".
My reply to the original post wasn't to assign blame for violent crimes to any ethnic group. Though I agree that newcomers are far less likely to commit crime(s) than homegrown folks. I was simply calling out an outrageously absurd and inflammatory post someone shared here.
True. But other crime rate drop? Maybe not….cause most immigrants I know violate osha and labor laws cause nearly all seem to work their respective asses off !!!
No and Touch grass. You know people aren't interchangeable and the end result would be a hellscape that no one in this chain of responses would want to live in or even survive. You all need to butcher this echo-chamber and live in the real world.
Don’t have enough data to confirm this, but I can say from years of watching true crime, there is active suppression of just how many violent criminals in this country identify as Christian. Just watched a case last night where a Mormon husband killed his wife because she was leaving the Church.
Another opportunity to promote @antifaoperative.bsky.social, who has a running list of Christian authority figures convicted of sex crimes against juveniles.
I actually disagree. Violent crimes are committed mostly by men in general, not just MAGA bros. If we deported them and replaced them with immigrants, the statistics won't change that much. Would've worked better if it said the average iq would go up
U R proudly dummkopf As Black WOMEN murder an avg. of 382,000 Black children <9 months old/yr (36% of the Black babies they conceive, the highest rate among all women), & Black MEN on a per capita basis murder 3.1 times the number of Americans as do White men, Blacks are the most deadly! Ilhan Omar
I've also seen MAGA super eager to support their own. "Well, maybe the little girl shouldn't have tempted the old creep. Besides, that's just men for you."
As much as I’m pro immigration, I’m going to say this is not remotely close to reality. Especially since a lot of migrants tend to be quite conservative and patriarchical.
We need Citizens United to end and dark money to go away. We need representation once again and not a popularity contest. It matters when voters vote by way of generational habit. 2nd amendment voters should understand 2nd amendment only exists when Constitution is law.
I mean, to be fair, while I'm about as diametrically not-MAGA as it gets, I permanently self-deported in my early 20s and Pam Bondi says it literally saved 258 million lives, so...
O ye who marvel at women’s choice, ponder this! Some back Trump for economic vigor, border security, or distrust of elites, not blind to flaws. Reason, not gender, sways them. Scorn not their will—seek to grasp it!
Although, I can't think of anywhere I dislike enough to send them to. Unfortunately, America created them, and will continue to create them. They are America's problem.
Sadly, misogyny & sexism are universal. But the rest is true. MAGA are domestic terrorists. Everyone knows it. Alito & Thomas have shown their utter hypocrisy with their recent dissent and should be arrested and thrown in jail with the rest of the traitors trying to overthrow the constitution.
Nah... they wanna kill regulations that keep us and our food safe. They would all kill themselves in a few months to save a few dollars. I would sleep better at night knowing they did it to themselves.
It would be likely the numbers would go down for sure. But there are a ton of conservative values[old school punishment and men head of house holds] in immigrant populations. It's a big reason latino communities are pretty conservative over all and quite religious.
Whether or not your ancestors owned slaves is irrelevant. We as white people need to stand by our friends and neighbors no matter their skin color. If we don't do that, we're still complicit in the marginalization of other races.
Many US citizens did not have families who had slaves because their families immigrated to the US after 1900.. also people who had slaves were well to do.. and we need to stand by all people, etc
F.
Anyone who understood US history of the last 175 years would never equate the Republican Party of Lincoln or Reconstruction with the segregationists that took over that party after the civil rights movement or the fascist MAGAts of today.
Yup. As an American and German descent (Pre wwii) if one nazi sits at a table and you tolerate them, you are also one.
If you hate your neighbor for looking different, cry about YOUR free speech, get angry when you are called out... There are no good ones. Only useful until they aren't.
You don’t know what Laken Riley would say and i am going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasnt an incredibly stupid person and understood that one person being murdered by an immigrant doesn’t change the reality they they commit far less crime than native born citizens. Shame on you.
Comfortable? Its not about me, how i feel etc it is reality. People shouldn’t feel “comfortable” invoking the murder of a single person, to push outright falsehoods about a massive group. Its disgusting. By the numbers, us born males between ages 18-34 are the most likely killers. Not debateable
These are not secrets. The statistics can be googled or chat gpt’d etc. your emotional attempt to try to muddy the waters with this one girls death is truly a horrible thing to do, but thats why yall elected trump. Hes willing to be horrible and spew lies just like yall so you can be openly racist.
MAGA men implies white men, I assumed. Am I mistaken? If so, you're correct that that wouldn't be racist. But if the reference is to white men then it would be racist.
In my opinion it doesn’t, or at least, shouldn’t. A coalition of white nationalists tends to alienate other races, but there are people of color who are MAGA. When we paint with broad strokes we lose info. In this case, it’s interesting that all of MAGA are anti-immigration not just the white ones.
How do you figure? Nearly every single act of mass murder in the US were perpetrated by a leftist. Kiss the society you know behind if you got your way. This is definite case of be careful what you wish for.
Not so fast. They often are crazy, first, and have a specific grievance, second. Sometimes they don’t really seem to care about politics. Maybe they hate women, or black people, or everyone. The political murderers, from either side, are less common. “Nearly every” is verifiably false. #enemytfxid
I started this in February but it was delayed for other urgent craziness. This is dedicated to YOU. The protesters,the voters, the callers, the organizers, the lawyers and staff, the supportive businesses and our former allies who encourage us to save democracy. https://youtu.be/hX2Mg4Xk0ZU?si=lZ4ivFggDYr_YzMt
Tbh some male immigrants are still sexist so it would drop a bit but there would still be crimes against women and children
Now if we got rid of men altogether… (for legal reasons this is a joke)
Oh cool, so we're just referring to human trafficking as deportation broadly, and saying how great it would be if we just kidnapped and exiled the "right people". I don't think this is a good direction for the discourse.
We would probably have better clothes and food. Also we would not have to look at those Mar-A-Lago pancake faced women. I am so tired of these fascists.
The proper word is “correct.”
Statistics show, it might be workable.
“True” implies you know the background of the poster.
Someone may use statistics of in-country immigrants to generalize over all immigrants, with the intent of spreading falsehoods.
With ALL due respect, we here in the US are ONLY ground zero for MAGA.... But I can assure you, they ARE the ENTIRE WORLD'S problem....
And unless you're in a prison in El Salvador, "deporting" them wouldn't make them your new neighbors.....
Whilst I despise Trumpian politics in the US and Faragian ones in the UK, I also deplore messaging by memes which are usually complete lies or, at best, have a smidgeon of truth in them. It makes the messenger as reliable as Trump or Farage because they know few people will fact-check them.
Yeah, that's doubtful. Blinding putting a halo on people you don't know simply because other shitty people exist could leave you with a new crop of shitty people.
What about the immigrants here in the US who do things legally and follow all the laws and rules and still get taken away by ICE even removed from their own families, wives, husbands, parents, children, nobody is safe here with these damn rednecks acting like the new Gestapo!
I believe the stats refer to people who do not have citizenship. Probably for needing to keep a lower profile and not feeling as comfortable to behave as they otherwise might, but that part is a guess
There were no major differences in violent crime victimization rates between male and female respondents or between those who identified as White, Black or Hispanic.
It’s fucking bizzaro world we’re living in where the President shares untruths on truth social, the justice department serves injustice, the department of education promotes ignorance, and the health department increases disease by undermining prevention.
Nope, immigrants continue to show that they are less likely to commit a crime than other demographics. It's simple logic. They want to work and stay below the radar. Please look this up instead of just blathering.
lol these comments. I happen to agree with you. I think it would be a nice experiment. Plus, this isn’t a time to go high, let’s match their energy. Deport Magats 🤷♀️
While it's definitely true that MAGA includes multiple groups that are disproportionately given to abusing wives and children (for example, lots of cops,) it is woefully naive to think that the levels are close to zero outside of those groups. Not saying it wouldn't help a lot, though.
Also, abusive people tend to drive the people around them into going crazy. Then the cops just believe whoever is closer to a straight white male and/or who has more money. So people who shouldn't be getting arrested would also be arrested less.
Just going off demographics of violent offenders and the demographic of MAGA voters, it tracks, but to my knowledge, the BLS and justice department don’t’t track political affiliation unless the person commits politically motivated violence. Can’t confirm, but it’s a reasonable logical conclusion,
Just to put a pin in this: there are studies on crime rates of citizens vs immigrants… it ain’t what the meme says but I don’t expect rigorous fact-checked data from silly memes
This whole debate is about exaggerated stereotypes — like only Latinos are this and whites are that. Saying removing a group would fix things just reinforces the stereotype. The meme's creator, if trying to help, did the opposite.
In the U.S., you're either white or black. A Brazilian, Argentine, or Honduran with European descent (blonde beard, hair, and mustache) thinks they're white, but ends up labeled as Latino. Happens all the time. And apparently, this meme 'farmed' you too, huh? Can't get out of here.
No they don't. Crimes usually stay in the community you live in. Immigrants are going to commit crimes against other immigrants. Do you think illegals are going to report crimes that happen to them? I know of towns that try to convince you not to report crimes to them to make the crimerate lower
Meanwhile:
"A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans." 👇
Oh, got it — since he's talking about violent crimes being 'zeroed out' in this imaginary situation, I guess we're just throwing any sense of logic out the window. If the criteria is 'nothing matters,' then why not just make up whatever we want, right?
No you don’t. You don’t believe we would suddenly have a literally crime free utopia if we shed 30 million annoying people. I don’t know why y’all are engaging in this sanctimonious nonsense. What is the point?
Without these mAgA sheep clogging all the ICU’s due to vax refusals, and seeing how most child sex assault cases are catholic and Christian preachers, I think if we shed those 30 million catturds back into the swamp, and then send swamp to mars, earth would be a much, MUCH better place
There is no actual evidence to support that. The problem with opposing a group of people who make radical, unsupported claims by also making radical unsupported claims is that normalizes radical unsupported claims and undermines logic as a means of forming public policy.
It made perfect sense. White men are the least policed people in our society. So if our crime statistics show that white men commit the highest number of violent offenses and offenses against children, then that means that even this underreported statistic shows that this is where the problem is.
The maths doesn’t work. The perpetrators of violent crime are predominantly men. If you replace MAGA men with a mix of genders, there might be a noticeable decrease. If you replace them with other men, it would likely be negligible.
This sort of assertion from the left makes us look foolish.
It wouldn’t surprise me, either, but I’m aware of cognitive bias, and stating it as fact without evidence just makes everything we say seem suspect. It plays into the MAGA crowd’s hands.
I understand, on the one hand. On the other hand, even if we never ever lied, they won't believe that, because they are either liars themselves, or can't tell who is lying.
We have been civilized for 50 years, and this is what we got. I don't believe in being the good guy anymore.
I know. But I also believe we don’t NEED to lie, because facts are substantially on our side.
You’re right, the MAGA crowd won’t listen either way, but when a wavering conservative asks for proof, WE want to be the ones who have it.
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When people from all backgrounds have a seat at the table, everyone eats better.
That’s the country I want to live in.
Prove me wrong.
Do better than this slop
https://immigrationimpact.com/2024/10/17/immigrants-do-not-commit-more-crimes-in-the-us-despite-fearmongering/
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf
And the worst part is, I 100% believe you're being honest.
This is exactly why Trump said he loves the uneducated.
Also, I hate when a group we hate does something and we hyperfocus on who they are (eg black, gay, trans, etc) and not THEY ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON!
You’re cute.
Prove me wrong.
Which country would be stupid enough to take those MAGAts ??
-supports American fascism
-racist profile picture
-defends trump in the comments
Got it, not a nazi 👍
Anyone who understood US history of the last 175 years would never equate the Republican Party of Lincoln or Reconstruction with the segregationists that took over that party after the civil rights movement or the fascist MAGAts of today.
Like pedo and MAP. Remember that era? Stop lying to us!
If you hate your neighbor for looking different, cry about YOUR free speech, get angry when you are called out... There are no good ones. Only useful until they aren't.
It's all good until you are laying under a tarp in the bushes am I right?
I'm sorry,- I meant to say Criminals!
And racist.
so a democrat president running on revenge can indeed deport all MAGA and imprison all felon king enablers!
please continue to do nothing congress/SCOTUS!!!
Operation Stepford Husbands.
https://youtu.be/hX2Mg4Xk0ZU?si=lZ4ivFggDYr_YzMt
Conservative
Males
Age 25-60.
It's WHY they're so vocal in lying about pedos from ANYWHERE else, or ANY other group but their own.
https://bsky.app/profile/satyr-icon.bsky.social/post/3lok5nfnpqc2r
Now if we got rid of men altogether… (for legal reasons this is a joke)
Lets do it then see what happens.: Its a policy TruMp follows so it already has MAGAs stamp of approval.
Statistics show, it might be workable.
“True” implies you know the background of the poster.
Someone may use statistics of in-country immigrants to generalize over all immigrants, with the intent of spreading falsehoods.
Don’t just accept things you want to hear.
And unless you're in a prison in El Salvador, "deporting" them wouldn't make them your new neighbors.....
I believe the stats refer to people who do not have citizenship. Probably for needing to keep a lower profile and not feeling as comfortable to behave as they otherwise might, but that part is a guess
shootings.
Fucking racists. Yall are garbage.
There were no major differences in violent crime victimization rates between male and female respondents or between those who identified as White, Black or Hispanic.
Exactly STFU bitch ass racist cunt.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/
Unfuckinbelievable.
Again, are you trying to help the 34 count felon in office?🤔
Deport MAGA men, unless you're cool with racist, hating assholes that were released from prison BY felon47.🤨
reported
With that said
Fuck MAGA Fuck Trump they all deserve to rot in prison.
We never kicked the Confederates out - here are their ancestors still tormenting us.
Again, I don’t think the meme was trying to “help”… probably just engagement farming 🤷♂️
I'm not gonna get worked up about a stupid meme making dubious factual claims to smear MAGA. They lie with impunity all the livelong day...
Meanwhile:
"A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans." 👇
I never said “nothing matters” but I’m pretty sure this silly meme doesn’t. I think it was designed to trigger people like you. It worked!
As a woman in America I fear male MAGA men more than anyone, their blind privilege and soft power is scary, especially for a woman.
I hope they keep wearing their hats, it makes them easy to spot, and walk away from.
"The FTC has legislation that makes a Monopoly illegal, the very foundation of this game is preposterously facile!"
There are tens of millions of those knuckleheads, yeah???
When you love a fascist more than your own kids. :(
There is enough legit insanely cruel stupid and real things we can be focusing on.
This sort of assertion from the left makes us look foolish.
We have been civilized for 50 years, and this is what we got. I don't believe in being the good guy anymore.
You’re right, the MAGA crowd won’t listen either way, but when a wavering conservative asks for proof, WE want to be the ones who have it.