Liberal’s whataboutism in the face of this bullshit is ridiculous. American politics is fascinating for all the wrong reasons. Terrible people supporting terrible politicians. Politics should be boring, or you are not doing it right
We'd be sending hundreds of billions to Israel to support their genocide. So either Israel gets the hundreds of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars or ELON MUSK gets the hundreds of BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars. #weneedabrandewgovernment #revolutionFrenchstyleNOW
Not a problem, the sign of a working administration and a non panicked economy. People have brunch when things are ok, not when they're stressed, anxious & angry. I'll take a proper, efficiently functioning administration & brunch, over stress, anxiety & anger, every day of the week.
Biden and Kamala had massive support from Black Americans, I know it's fun to pretend it's just privileged white people but Black Americans are the main reason Hillary and Biden won the nomination in the first place.
Honestly baffled by this response. I’m talking about how white people are the least impacted by Dem policies so when a Dem is in office they completely check out bc to them everything is absolutely fine. But if they were paying attention they would see life under a Dem is not this magical safe time.
I don't think Democratic administrations are "magical" or safe but I think they're dramatically better and safer and the massive support for Dems in general elections and mainstream dems in primary elections shows that this difference is keenly felt by the least privileged as opposed to the most.
When have things been ok? The GOP wasn't attacking the trans community any less under Biden. The genocide was in full swing. Costs of living have been unmanageable for years if not decades. Police brutality has only been increasing.
They are referring to the story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" where the city of Omelas has peace and prosperity based on the constant torture of a child. Their point is that any peace of mind libs have under a dem administration is a facade based on an ignored foundation of injustice.
Lmao facts Kamala’s a neoliberal like Obama—I voted for her, but let’s be real, she’s not likely to push for real change like limiting SCOTUS power, Medicare for All, defunding the military, etc. Maybe she will, but Dems are corrupt and I'm not holding out give me a Jasmine Crockett, AOC, or Bernie
So you werent kidding. Thats really unfortunate. Do you know there have been lots of protests going on, since back when Kamala was vp? The kind that students are being taken away for participating in? Does it sound good that this sign holder would be at brunch instead of those protests?
Thank you so much for this. I haven't been on BlueSky much because of posts that say, "welp, ya shoulda voted for the candidate that didn't even go through the process."
Your post, and the comments that followed, are some of the freshest air I've seen on social media all year.
Because it shows that people like this don't actually care about the systemic issues. We can't plug our ears and pretend everything is great just because the blue team is in office. That's how we get Biden levels of deportations
Ah. Children in your culture are known for nuanced and reasoned interpretations of reality, and adults then "relax" into simplistic black-and-white sports-team style politicking. What an interesting place you must live.
They probably think Gaza is a band from Utah that broke up and formed another band called Cult Leader because their singer turned out to be a SO
This is all true but we mean the fucking Genocide
Nothing says lazy like voting for an orange racist rapist because you’re too brainwashed that a “white (orange)” man is the choice. MAGATs are the laziest out there. But ya effed around and now you’re finding out 🤡. You sure owned the libs 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe this Christmas Santa will bring you a second braincell so you can understand it's possible to hate your genocidal cult leader as well as the other one.
Putin did a number on these people. WTF. We already have MAGA, and now we have these self righteous ass hats complaining that we are against Trump and Musk.
Oh come on. I wasn't talking about backing off on the fascists. I'm talking about backing off on throwing a fit over a sign. I was at the First and second women's march and the one Saturday. Have you done the same?
Nobody wanted perfect. Perfect would be full communism. We just made very simple demands like "don't fucking bomb kids" of our elected representatives and they jailed us for it.
this reminds me of how some hot takes i’ve seen from leftists are that maybe trump winning was a good thing if only that liberals would start moving leftward
Will you show up to fight injustice even if your team is committing the injustice appears to be a frustratingly divisive question.
Because ultimately, these people will get defensive and jump through hoops to justifying not showing up.
A depressing amount of liberals aren't fighting to end fascism, they're fighting for a four year vacation from fascism, in the safety of their bubbles of privilege.
Exactly, whataboutism is just lazy. We are a capitalist nation - the market decides - the market loved Biden & the market has always hated Trump. Trump is wrong for America.
And they don't care that Trump's resurgence happened within the empty vacuum of the blue team's centrism, or that the blue team's prognosis in the wake of their historic 2024 loss is that they need to be more like Republicans.
And that they not only don't care about Gaza, but blame the VOTERS for not holding their noses instead of Biden and Harris for enthusiastically aiding the genocide.
Well, sitting it out got us worse, so that argument holds no water with me.
What I do agree with is that those who wanted to elect Kamala so they could go back to watching romantic comelas in their pajamalas and not have to worry about anything beyond their noses were not helpful.
I disagree with this argument. I was at the protests last year. Nearly everyone i know, including actual Palestinians who have lost family members, held their nose and voted for Harris. I think the number of people who sat this one out because of Gaza is vanishingly tiny.
I agree. I was enthusiastic for Kamala even though I knew she'd be a milquetoast shitlib that would continue bombing children. But in the end, fighting her would have been better than fighting... whatever the hell we have now.
I don’t buy a single thing you are saying. Just lazy commentary like “all politicians are fascists so just accept it & hand over our Democracy”, whataboutism is the laziest political commentary.
Your pathetic deflection and projection is duly noted. Tell us more about all the people Biden shipped off to concentration camps disguised as prisons.
Lets talk about the children detained in cages at the border. The encouragement of violence against anti-genocide protests, and the fanatical devotion to making sure Israel could wipe out the Palestinians.
Its the other end of the football team mentality. They dont vote to get better things. They vote because its a game they win or lose at. It shows they are insulated from consequences of bad governance or just haven't experienced good governance to know there is something better.
All liberals want is to preserve the privileges they have, and want all the under-privileged ones to help them preserve their privilege while they don’t do a thing to support those under-privileged.
Really weird that you can look at the destruction that Trump has done in 2.5 months (that Kamala and Hillary predicted) and all you are concerned with is the Democrats?!?
Both parties are right wing, they're the same direction. They're both my enemies. Both are genocidal and imperialist. Do you keep forgetting about Gaza?
I hate to break the bad news, but the fact Democratic Party voters deactivate when their party is in power is probably why we have Trump in the Oval Office. They only show up with any drive when there's a Republican in power to oust the Republican.
And where are the Republican Party voters who can see thru the shenanigans of Trump both in the first term and the current few months of the second term?
Keep your eye on the real issue of Trump -- the Democratic Party can and will be improved later.
Republicans are the rich fat cats, the spoiled rotten elites, the stuck up Southerners that make you say “sir” & “ma’am” to them like you are some kind of indentured servant. Republicans are the business owners that refer to their employees as “slaves” or worse.
This is a true statement. Ted Bundy was born in Vermont, but then he started working for the Republican Party & eventually got arrested in Pensacola, FL
Lmfao. The point is they are at brunch every weekend and almost never to be seen at a protest, or joining in cause with common folk. Brunch is an activity the privileged engage in.
So be serious please. Your ad hominem is not an argument, and not serious.
Why do you think that's ok? Do you somehow think that's any less apathetic to the problems going on than being at brunch while the "richest country in the world" undergoes an explosion of homelessness and poverty, and boasts the largest population of incarcerated people in the world?
It's Nobel to care about the injustices in the country and in the world. But we had one job. Keep Trump out of the White House. And what did you guys do? ...sigh. now find out about how homelessness and Gaza are being helped. And yes, nothing wrong with brunch and then getting to work. But...nah..
It's not. Harris deliberately chose to tell voters that she was uninterested in saving or improving their lives. She actively threw away a year of advertising that the GOP were fascist traitors to campaign with one and promise them space in her Cabinet. She took a dive, on purpose.
We have lots of jobs. That's the entire problem. "Keep Trump out" is nothing if your party is still going to empower the police state, genocide, imperialism, and capital. You can't sacrifice swathes of your own electorate and then demand they show up to protect YOU. That's not how it works.
You too! This actually makes you a Trumper!! You are responsible! Now go and book a vacation in Gaza!!! After you're fresh and relaxed you can help bury the kids that died of measles because of your stupid choice to help get Trump elected. This shit show is on you! Own it!!!
What do you think is going to happen with massive layoffs and people going broke and not being able to pay their bills, crime will escalate and homeless numbers will be beyond anything we’ve seen.
Yeah, that all sucks. It's really too bad that we didn't have anyone running in opposition to all of that, just a fascist and a neoliberal running on a platform of active compromise with fascism.
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If you're headed down a steep decline on some rails, headed straight into a wall, would you rather get sent back up to the beginning of that steep decline and still be on the same rails headed for the same wall, or do you want to be on different rails?
The meme is the problem. It was a problem when it first started and we've repeatedly said why it's a problem. Now it's back again because you didn't figure it out after last time
I noticed you disabled the comments when I told you hating Biden and tRUMP is a false equivalence. I didn't attack or mock you. Are you so afraid of being challenged that you block everyone? That is so sad.
Classic white apolitical person: taking a nuanced position in a dispute of a far-away land is equivalent to black bagging off the streets of your country for your opinions. Ofc you are safe and can have this luxury of your skin color.
I get it, "if" Kamala was president, we would be better off. But unfortunately, we are where we are. We need to have clearer leaders and a damn good playbook. We can't live in the "if" or "I voted for" it doesn't help.
I take it as more like they're fine ignoring economic policy that siphons money out of the poor and working classes and genocide so long as the powers that be pretend to give two shits about certain social issues.
The problem is if someone wasn’t destroying our country to enrich himself and his othet clown cronies, we wouldn’t have to protest in the streets??? Mmmmhm yep that’s the problem 🤡
So you weren't protesting in the streets with us when Biden was facilitating genocide? Congratulations, you are the person being depicted in OP. You only show up to fight oppression when it's a Republican doing it. Leftists do it all the time.
The problem is that when Dems are in power liberals can ignore that they should still be protesting. Because they are specifically catered to they stop caring about the injustices happening under BOTH parties
Thank you. IMHO, PMC liberals spent the last 30 years coalescing around elitist issues on NPR radio and stayed silent while the working class collapsed via globalism. All they've seen is wage stagnation while Hillary called them deplorables. Can we really blame them for trying something different?
Exactly!! And people like the OP dogging Kamala Harris supporters are part of the problem why the Clown sits, grinning his ass off dismantling this country, in the WH. Is he helping Gaza?
I'd say "it's not everyday that I see something that makes me want to just lay down and die right there" but this is literally the second time in 24 hours I've seen something like this that makes me want to just lay down and die right here.
The democrats literally started this and were so bad at governing the country wanted change more than anything and was willing to take another chance on a convicted felon, rapist, fascist to get it
You mean doing all he could to fund the genocide? Yeah.
Harris also promised to do all she could to fund the genocide.
ALL of Trumps plans and actions are literally Biden's policies. Literally all of them.
Everything he could? The man couldn't even bring himself to publicly decry Netanyahu, let alone cease sending arms so Israel could continue the slaughter. He even shat on the ICC for issuing warrants for Bibi and Gallsnt.
The negotiators on both sides stayed when the last ceasefire came into effect that the first time the US ever put any pressure on Isreal was when trump did because the Biden admin was happy to take the Israelis word they were only doing what was “necessary”
They aren’t going to do shit about fuck. Performative protesters, the lot of them. Notice they still finger wag at Harris but do absolutely nothing about Trump, the actual President.
Liberals are fine with all sorts of evils being done by the US government when Democrats are in power. They only care about some of the evil things the government does when Republicans are in power.
This is what genuine opposition sounds like. https://Pslweb.org is a revolutionary socialist movement. They have a program. We still our very own lenin. We need this party in power now. #Marxistmonday #socialistsunday #Fight theoligarchy #handsoff
The hue and cry to stop the genocide all but stopped when Harris lost. No more protests, no more demands for the government to stop sending weapons. Nothing in real life. Not even online.
They don’t see what they don’t want to see. I was brought to Palestinian human rights protests by holocaust survivors ever since I was young, and those same people and groups are protesting now. They will keep speaking out until children stop dying! oc we would have continued to protest under Kamala
Man, if this is the left's reaction to nation wide protests against an authoritarian, to literally snipe at people showing up to oppose the administration, then our country truly is just straight fucked.
I have a video for you! If you support genocide and abhorrent policies as long as someone from your blue team is enacting them, I’ll say it again: that’s the entire problem. https://youtu.be/mz3Rf820ozE?si=-JSmHCqHnZdy_IRa
Awwww you're promoting your own video??!! Awwww
GTFO. He's spot on with his comment.
You didn't learn your lesson with who you enabled to make the rules now in the White House!!?? GTFO!
I don't at all support what's happening in Gaza, nor did I in 2023 or 2024. The assumption that anybody who made a responsible choice to support the only viable candidate against Trump in '24 is somehow pro-genocide is pathetic and obnoxious.
Kamala Harris had better policies for Trump across the board, which indicates that with pressure, she could have changed her mind and stepped back on helping Israel, even switching to more forward progress towards Gaza. People can change, and we would have bought time and hope to do that.
Stop chasing the perfect dunks in hypotheticals that didn't happen. Help people who actually exist and are suffering in the here and now.
And hell, if you throw me a list of things I can do as an unemployed nobody with no money or car, I'll do them. But every time I ask to be genuinely helpful,
And how are the Palestinians doing now, pray tell? Did they get the outcome they deserved? The answer is no and there now absolutely nothing we can do for them.
Harris should have listened to the party delegates who begged for their families' lives, then, rather then telling them to go vote for Trump. Telling the American voters that she was completely and callously uninterested in our suffering fucked us all over. Not to mention the Cheney shit.
Where did you get the "unconditional" part of your assumption?
I didn't infer that from the post you responded to.
I saw pragmatism.
When my fellow leftists eschew pragmatism, we lose *everything* we want, instead of getting closer to some or most of what we want.
How's that working for us??
I think Taylor is trying to tread the MAGA influencer path by just tossing out highly inflammatory and radicalizing posts. This is truly disheartening.
Like I said: there was a choice between one of two candidates last year. It was Harris or Trump. We all had to make the best choice we could to help the most people. Some of us, like you I guess, couldn't de-center their own feelings and do the best they could to help the most people possible.
I mean, this is just demonstrably untrue. One party is actively hunting down immigrants to extralegally render them to foreign prisons. The other... doesn't do that.
It is demonstrably true. Trump could not be doing what he is doing without groundwork from the Dems. The Dems expanded ICE, kept gitmo open, expanded the police state, went harder on the border and did nothing to combat the rights racism.
It’s not rocket science. Many liberals don’t get that their standard of living and stability is many people’s idea of wealth. Chilling if Kamala won ignores that many would still be fucked, and instead of fighting just as hard, you’d bail. You don’t get a gold star for selectively paying attention.
I like how she has demonized people who she doesn't know. I am 100% against Israel and IDF. If me protesting Trump and Musk is bad, how do we even begin to talk to people ike taylor?
She has made herself some kind of victim, for clicks. This problem is worldwide.
I really really respect Taylor's work and I thought her interview with Chaya Raichik did a lot to dismantle Raichik's influence. It's really disheartening to discover that she does the whole sniping and sneering thing about Harris and Gaza etc. More fool I for not having seen that before.
ICE is literally arresting 3rd graders as we speak, and she doesn't care if we bring that up. I don't know what her deal is, but to me she is no different than Libs of Tik Tok. Narcissistic activity.
Harris also wouldn't have stopped the bombing of kids in Gaza, so I fail to see how this is some kind of gotcha. As if we were some how blatantly unaware that we had no electoral avenue to stop Israel's genocide.
These people live in the same fantasy land MAGA people live in. Perpetual victims who can only focus on ONE issue at a time.
They truly think Kamala is the same as Trump. Don't let them gaslight you.
While these idiots are playing around their self righteous trash, DOGE is stealing form all of us.
Please note that if the answer is “no”, that’s basically an admission you cannot refrain from spiraling off into whataboutism simply because it’s too hard for you to admit fascism is bad even if Dems support it
No, and that's also bad! Both parties doing it are bad. No one is saying that he did, but they are saying that if Kamala was president, it's unlikely, based on her history and rhetoric around the topic, that she would have stopped it.
It's not insinuating that at all, it's actually saying nothing about Trump one way or the other, you just need to believe the people who wouldn't vote for your genocider like the other genocider for some reason.
Did you miss the part where the acceptable amount of genocide is 0% genocide? If liberals actually had a backbone we wouldn't have to choose between two genocidaires.
It’s definitely worse but after losing the Dems shouldn’t really be patting themselves on the back. Not to mention they were backing this the entire time now just with a corrupt Кукурузные палочки at the helm.
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is that older people who have worked for 40 to 50 years
have brunch?
Whoa. Check yourself.
Is it possible we've hatched baby bolsheviks from this?
Your post, and the comments that followed, are some of the freshest air I've seen on social media all year.
Thank you all! 🙏
"where'd you hear that commie talk you little shit?! now go get us another mimosa"
This is all true but we mean the fucking Genocide
This isn't a minor nitpick. If someone says that they wouldn't care so long as their party won, they don't actually want change
But seriously, is this better? The Weimar Republic was spineless and corrupt. But the alternative was....
Sometime purity is the bigger evil. We had a chance to stop this, but people like many on this thread didn't turn out. Like 1932.
Perfect is the enemy of good. That’s literally what he’s saying. Y’all wanted perfect and now we’re in this shit storm.
Innocent people are being dissappeared to slave labor camps from which there is no return. SCOTUS now says this can be done to ANYONE.
They'll never let us vote them out after this.
One way out.
Because ultimately, these people will get defensive and jump through hoops to justifying not showing up.
Both sides (TM) as a reason to enact better leaders is good mentality.
What I do agree with is that those who wanted to elect Kamala so they could go back to watching romantic comelas in their pajamalas and not have to worry about anything beyond their noses were not helpful.
She refused to order a forensic audit THEN she refused to invoke the 14th AMENDMENT Clause 3.
GTFOH
Keep your eye on the real issue of Trump -- the Democratic Party can and will be improved later.
I'm trying to agree with you here.
You can't just offload states that are inconvenient.
So be serious please. Your ad hominem is not an argument, and not serious.
But, yeah, now to without that in mind.
Probably the 2nd or third time they've eaten out that weekend already. Brunch people 🤢
Sorry your cult leader picked genocide over votes, you won't be struck by lightning if you blame Kamala for her fuck up, promise.
I would have voted for ANY Democrat.
See the difference? Maybe you don't... sigh
No amount of bootlicking will make me responsible for her fuck up.
And again, your job was never to support genocide. It was your cult leader's job to not be a genocidal freak and get votes.
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Yes.
That's why "just living their lives" will always get us here.
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That be a problem ?
If you turn your nose up at the injustices in our system simply because your team is in power, you truly didn't care in the first place
Either get on the "genocide is bad no matter who does it" train or lay back and let the fascism wash over you from toe to tip
Harris also promised to do all she could to fund the genocide.
ALL of Trumps plans and actions are literally Biden's policies. Literally all of them.
Genocide is bad no matter who.
Nah it just comes down to whether they're wearing the mask when they do it or not
If that's not resistance I don't know what is!
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This is what genuine opposition sounds like. https://Pslweb.org is a revolutionary socialist movement. They have a program. We still our very own lenin. We need this party in power now. #Marxistmonday #socialistsunday #Fight theoligarchy #handsoff
I actually do a lot.
What really matters is you finding a niche & being consistent & reliable in do that effort.
My stance is that I owe Palestinians my endurance.
You can’t fault me for being skeptical.
Are you fucking blind? This is just an outright lie lol
https://youtu.be/rQKcfmO_9BA
GTFO. He's spot on with his comment.
You didn't learn your lesson with who you enabled to make the rules now in the White House!!?? GTFO!
And hell, if you throw me a list of things I can do as an unemployed nobody with no money or car, I'll do them. But every time I ask to be genuinely helpful,
I didn't infer that from the post you responded to.
I saw pragmatism.
When my fellow leftists eschew pragmatism, we lose *everything* we want, instead of getting closer to some or most of what we want.
How's that working for us??
She has made herself some kind of victim, for clicks. This problem is worldwide.
They truly think Kamala is the same as Trump. Don't let them gaslight you.
While these idiots are playing around their self righteous trash, DOGE is stealing form all of us.
Please note that if the answer is “no”, that’s basically an admission you cannot refrain from spiraling off into whataboutism simply because it’s too hard for you to admit fascism is bad even if Dems support it
No more bombing kids like evil Kamala would have done!
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