No, Brexit could never work. It was a terrible lie missold to people who deserved better by crooks and chancers. Take some responsibility for goodness sake.
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You guys have the money to sink into a doomed rejoin the EU campaign that would take decades even if it was successful and needs to wait for the public to change its mind on brexit in general... but you don't have the money to try and defend trans people in courts?
If I found something conclusive, I'd agreed with you, no?
2006 directive becomes law in EU country, when enshrines in local law (according one article - grey area).
Then the 2015 directive, which seems to override it & apply 23% VAT 🤷
She is always fiercely wrong and worse, fiercely misleading about everything. Why would this be any different? I expect BBCQT will wheel her back again soon to spout this bollocks about the self imposed sanctions of the turd that can’t be flushed or polished.
Brexit will never work. It was one big stitch up. How convenient now that The Times narrative tries to blame ‘our leaders’, now we have a Labour government. It’s as clear as day what they are trying to do. They are trying to convince the electorate that Labour are to blame. Disgusting gutter press.
even if the EU was a bona-fide social-democratic organization (it is not - EU budget deficit rules & competition rules have led member states to massive privatization schemes before entry) you would have to privatise more of your public heathcare to rejoin.
MP is a known reactionary. Imploring her to take responsibility will lead to zero.The majority, anti-Brexit electorate deserve stronger leadership & more aggressive responses from all progressive sources - liberal media, MPs, think tanks etc. Fight back with force.
I thought you were still paying for the Divorce Settlement, what freedom when you have no fucking money and your new trading bed mate is an orange idiot.
It was all about rich bastards tax-dodging and duping the morons into thinking it would restore rights they had anyway but which the far-right wanted taken away.
When do right-wingers ever acknowledge a mistake or take responsibility??
If you can appeal to the whiny population who feels victimized - by their own life mistakes!! - you can convince them that it's the other guy's fault. That's Brexit.
These people never clearly explain what could or should be done to take advantage of all these so-called freedoms, or what the exact the result of that would be.
I knew her at university and saw her in the debating society quite often. Her arguments usually boiled down to the proposition that, "This is true because I believe it is." I did not stay in the debating society for long. She did.
Ms Phillips did her first degree at Oxford and then came to Cambridge for some course or other, IIRC. Definitely not part of the establishment though. She used to socialise in the RC Chaplaincy because there was no Jewish Chaplaincy then.
...Most of the men were from public schools (I knew Matthew Parris too - he had grown up in colonial Rhodesia). Cambridge is much more reflective of the whole of society now.
That was one of the problems when I went to Cambridge. There were about 35 colleges: Many of them (like mine) were for men only. Overall the men outnumbered the women by 3 to 1, I think. The chaplaincy in the city centre was a good place to meet people from other colleges....
Yes, in my first term, as part of the induction, some of the older students gave us advice on what societies to join etc. One of them said we should try the debating society for a term, but added that we might not not stay in it.
I think that a lot of "All must have prizes" actually made quite a lot of sense. But I think the process of writing it pushed her to reject a lot of what she considered to be "left wing ideology", throwing out the whole orphanage with the bathwater.
This is Melanie Philips though - you can guarantee every "Brexit freedom" and every way in which she wants the government to "take back control" would be odious and utterly harmful for the poor and vulnerable.
This is proof that however bad things get, Brexiters will always try to gaslight you that it's someone else's fault. It's a classic grift of snake-oil conmen. If the medicine doesn't work, it's because YOU didn't follow the instructions!
Brexit is a falsification of history, a political economy of a society that has never existed and never will. To promote it is deceitful; to stand by it is thought disorder.
Johnson and his bunch of Idiots should be in Prison, the Lying Corrupt Bunch are the worst Traitors this Country has ever had.
Scum the lot of them!!!!
Freedoms? I guess she means the freedom to pay higher prices for consumer goods produced by EU members & the freedom to feel dejected by insurmountable barriers to selling the UK’s products to the EU.
Philips is a turgid nasty extreme RW fool. She never read niemoller and thinks her psowition creates strength.
On the left, the unions, on the vulnerable she screams and covers the light. But when they have done with us, she will have no one to turn to when they are ready.
This writer is paid to appeal
to unintelligent right wing rich pensioners reading the Torygraph. They don’t want reality, just comfort and something to gripe about.
The remarkable thing here is that there's a bigger moron somewhere far above who actually authorises the monthly salary run for this inane self regarding drivel. Of course this is what they want, but my advice? Best to sit on the toilet while producing it. Cuts out the middle man.
Im a silly American who heard about Brexit and wonder how that would work with Britain being an island and need to import much of the goods it needs to survive.
Hell, they had to have a whole slave trade and colonies to get where they are today.
Hardcore Brexiteers are like Trump's MAGA cultists. They live in a fantasy land inside their own heads, where bad is good and reality is whatever they want it to be. Delulu.
Melanie Philips with the same tired narrative that we just didn't do it properly. Vote Leave literally had their own Govt to do exactly what it wanted but still could not eek out any benefit.
They lied to get us out and they are lying to keep us out. The people who should be on our side are pandering to the liars. The decent people of this country really do need to take back control and demand that democracy actually works.
Actually both points are true. It was a dreadful set of lies and it has been squandered. We made no effort to rebuild closer ties to the commonwealth and build our own trade block or improve the lives of ordinary people.
My point is we didn’t even try. I spend a lot of time in Kenya and can assure you the Chinese, more recently the Russians and belatedly the US are very visibly there and vying for influence and control in our own Commonwealth. We are no where to be seen.
I see where you stand here. I on the other hand actually spoke to the Kenyan Ambassador to the UK on the subject as to whether anyone had reached out or any initiatives were being started. At that time the answer was nothing. And to your point, if we can’t take advantage of Brexit, why did we do it?
I never read these articles, but do they ever say how? Because for Brexit to work means Europe trades with us the way they do with other EU countries, which begs the question, how or exactly why the fuck would they?
I mean the tory party spend all their time (beyond the respite from covid and ukraine) banging on about brexit. They had the money, backing and incentive to make brexit work (god knows they'd sail through the elections if they had). But they didn't. Why? Because it's impossible, plain and simple
Ugh! Melanie Phillips. The great contrarian. And she’s so miserable with it. I stopped listening to The Moral Maze because of her. And Michael Buerk obviously.
They will never take responsibility. The hard right increasingly has a toddler mindset: tantrums, blame, simplistic language, over-stacked ego with none of the cuddly, joyful traits.
This was always the way it was going to go. That was said by thousands of people at the time. It was obvious it couldn't work and it was therefore also obvious they were going to have to have scapegoats for that. It's the stab in the back myth.
so says right wing loon #MelaniePhillips a regular panel member of #JoCoburn #PoliticsLive occupying the seat reserved for Tufton street shills,reform MPs and joke journalists like Emily Sheffield,Kate Andrews,Tim Montgomery,etc etc
Is now a good time to mention that Sir Keir Starmer reiterated the Mark Francois approved Brexit red lines yesterday.
He is not the politician we’re looking for.
Their issue is that, having loudly backed Brexit, they are incapable of acknowledging the damage they have done: like a gambler betting on a losing nag but claiming with a different jockey, trainer, course, weather and odds, their horse would have won easily - also, unicorns.
But when challenged they cannot explain how they would take back control or if they could that it would even be good for us to do so in the way they want. It also shows a complete lack of understanding into how the world works
It always makes me laugh when I hear brexiters say Brexit wasn't done properly, but literally everything bad Remainers said would happen HAS HAPPENED but they called that PROJECT FEAR.
Yes, now is not the time to be mealy mouthed. The sad fact is the commitment bias towards making it work could send Labour into meltdown. However, they could find their "soul" as part of a broader progressive alliance but Starmer, Reeves, Streeting and Lammy will not be required. 🤷♂️
Mum & step-dad r totally sold on the lie ‘taking back control’. They shout me down if I ask them what exactly the UK has control of now🤷🏻♀️ They sincerely believe the UK should hav left the EU yrs ago! There’s no possibility of believing they’ve been lied to. Their friends share their beliefs😬
The whole point of brexit was to cripple the British economy so that speculators could make billions and then a bankrupt UK government would then crawl to those same people and beg for capital investment. Farage only became an mp to keep an eye on his investment.
I do wish people wouldn't spray words like 'fascist' around with no actual thought about what they mean. I don't like her and I disagree with her over most things; but she is not a fascist.
Losing battle, I fear. Just had another nasty argument with someone who insisted that everybody who would vote for Reform was racist and fascist - though failed to present evidence and just starting swearing at me instead.
I got a response to my post (from an anonymous account) that went along the lines: she's a zionist and zionism is racism therefore she's a racist fascist.
I left X to get away from uneducated idiot bigots. Blocked.
And you're right. It's deffo a losing battle. Abuse is often the stock response.
Reform are a racist,neo fascist party.Their entire basis for being plays on the ignorant petty racism of people who are too dense to understand that the problems in our society aren't caused by immigrants but by 1% of the population who control the media. Hitler came to power using the same tactics
I would not dispute "neofascist", though I would dispute "party" and think that as a group, they are only "racist" for part of their audience. However I don't accept without evidence that all their voters are either stupid or racist or both - in fact, I have evidence to the contrary. ...
... something which the person I was discussing (then arguing) with did not have in support of the proposition. Reform are adept at pressing a range of different buttons, and matching their pitch to their audience, as I pointed out elsewhere (https://bsky.app/profile/exilefromgroggs.bsky.social/post/3lgs6uzzxac23).
No idea; these are bigoted opinions she spouts in the Mail. She doesn't seem to have done all that much to 'enforce' her views 'on society'. She might possibly wish for Britain to be a fascist state - although I doubt it. It's a long way from holding repugnant views to being a fascist.
Fascism is a political system characterised by authoritarian dictatorship, totalitarianism, militarism, aggressive expansionism, no rule of law, extra-judicial killings, misogyny, hatred of all forms of culture, unscientific belief in racial superiority and intolerance of ethic difference.
The point is that if you want to remove all non-white people from your country and make being gay illegal then you want a fascist government. Name a country that deports people based purely on their race....
Of course, there will be consequences.
We will join without the 'discount' we had.
Maybe even replace the Pound with the Euro.
But trade will rise, and our economy will grow faster than now.
There is no question about the Euro, or Schengen, why would you think there would be?
IF the EU will take you back, which (despite the new lamentations of Tusk) they probably won’t, as your next leader is going to be Farage (or maybe Robinson).
People like her will never admit that they were wrong. However, a lot of people who voted leave, have now accepted that they were sold a lie. Referendum now!
What a load of hogwash. Brexit was an outright lie. There is NO brexit that could ever work. They knew this. Not only that, but they actually made a second income from it, adding to their already vast wealth. Traitorous behaviour from the faux patriots.
Melanie Phillips, Hannan et al, are so far up themselves they cannot admit they screwed up with their cult like support of the worst UK decision ever. Convinced of their own arguments in spite of all the obvious damage their project is wreaking, they will just continue to lie and blame everyone else
Success for Brexit was always gonna be tax haven status for the UK. A billionaire's playground. The Tories fucked up their Tufton St budget and so the country is left in purgatory.
People don't want to be exploited but also don't want to admit their mistake. So here we are.
Brexit works as a way of prioritising primitive nationalism over practical considerations and defeating less nationalistic Brits. That it wouldn’t have practical advantages to the UK was always, to say the least, bleeding obvious. It continues to succeed as the dominance of nationalism.
Every time you even discuss Brexit as a misguided attempt to gain practical advantages you are discussing it on their terms. It is better to explore how people got so nationalistic that the ideology is more important than the wellbeing of the nation they claim to love.
This is politics 101.
1. There is no such thing as a bad policy.
2. Any policy can be destroyed by an incompetent workforce.
3. If a policy does not live up to expectations see #2
This woman is a menace perpetuating the lie that somehow Brexit wasn’t ‘done properly’. Yes it was. You broke Britain Madame and that is what is currently the matter with the economy.
I'm sure if you are someone with a robust disposition you could look back over Melanie Phillips columns and find her cheering on the Brexit deal and cheering on No deal and being very supportive of all the measures that have led her to writing that this Brexit is terrible.
Sorry I don't give that obnoxious Racist Zionist and overall nut job the platform. I humbly suggest you don't either. She's just a paid Troll seeking attention. So X is her natural habitat not
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The age old cry of those revolutionaries who get what they wanted … and find they were wrong. It was somebody else’s fault. Doesn’t she have self-awareness?
As the EEC was founded on democratic principles. The EU27 could not EXPELL any Belligerent member state regardless of their influence in crafting laws regarding the negitive influence from 3rd Countries on the Internal Market of the EU and the affiliated Countries.
It had to wait until they left.🇮🇪🇪🇺
What are those morons on about, claiming "Brexit freedoms have never been taken"? Are they still living in some fantasy world where they believe leaving the EU and scrapping all rules would make manna rain from the sky? How intellectually mature are these dimwits?
These Brexiteers are either out to deliberately destroy the UK or they're extremely stupid. Either way, they shouldn't be getting platformed - they're selling misinformation.
The biggest problem with the brexit was that everybody knew what it meant to stay in the EU. But Exiting EU was not clear, some wanted a soft-brexit, with agreements like Norway, others a full Brexit, thinking they will be rich. But neither brexittets got what they wanted.
Total rubbish as always. I am so sick of hearing it.
It’s NEVER Brexit at fault for anything, it’s ALWAYS someone who hasn’t implemented it properly.
Really, it’s quite pathetic isn’t it?
Brexiteers are never going to admit we should never have left the EU. They have spent years peddling the lies and mistruths about imaginary advantages which will never happen. They have built careers on it. They are finished if they now admit they got it all wrong all along.
Bollocks. I work in the engineering industry and we can now see better change and less red tape. It will take a while to unravel the EUs bureaucracy but it will be worth it. It was never going to be an instant fix for the better.
Five years on and they're still not taking responsibility for the mess they made. Still spinning the same old tired excuses. It's always someone else's fault, it can't possibly be the fallacy of Brexit itself.
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Might this be you? https://goodlawproject.org/vacancy/eu-campaigns-lead/
The current incarnation is an abysmal Tory-lite shithouse.
Though I think speaking out for trans people probably falls under pro-EU.
Brexit will always be impossible.
There is only ONE benefit of Brexit: school fees are subject to VAT.
Let me know if you have the facts on that pls.
Seems the EU rules stopped VAT from being below 15% according to this. 🤔
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36430504
If I found something conclusive, I'd agreed with you, no?
2006 directive becomes law in EU country, when enshrines in local law (according one article - grey area).
Then the 2015 directive, which seems to override it & apply 23% VAT 🤷
Life's too short!
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And years of effort
#Rejoin 💙
Why isn't that level of crazy in a padded cell somewhere quiet and without internet access?
Time these lying cretins were locked up.
Perpetuating Brexit lies should be punished.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYAc7gB-0A&ab_channel=georgemichaelVEVO
Of what FFS?
If you can appeal to the whiny population who feels victimized - by their own life mistakes!! - you can convince them that it's the other guy's fault. That's Brexit.
Here you go.
Censored version 👍
Scum the lot of them!!!!
On the left, the unions, on the vulnerable she screams and covers the light. But when they have done with us, she will have no one to turn to when they are ready.
Brexit was and is the proverbial sow's ear.
fair and independent.
They are not.
Starmer is about to make them even more pro-business.
to unintelligent right wing rich pensioners reading the Torygraph. They don’t want reality, just comfort and something to gripe about.
Brexit was a mafia crime and we all know who did it.
Like we know you are the queen of disinformation.
Hell, they had to have a whole slave trade and colonies to get where they are today.
How did they expect to operate without a union?
Or a crime ? Against four nations ?
Time we all moved on
I think that's fair don't you?
There is no such thing as a remainer now ...unless you mean remain outside the EU
Rejoiner is the word
Or just joiner as you would be new members on new terms if it ever happened (which it won't)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Phillips
Embrace it Brit-serfs.
Be grateful!!
#BrexitLies
Best to keep the likes of her off here
He is not the politician we’re looking for.
These cretins deserve everything they get; no sympathy for idiots.
Stupidity knows no bounds in the UK electorate
It is a visual bait-n-switch.
Not you obviously JM.
BREXIT was an **obviously** stupid thing to do. To then claim it fails due to execution not the decision is even stupider.
The same hackneyed, nebulous slogan being repeated.
The phrase that means 10 different things to 10 different people.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/19/hybrid-warfare-russia-ukraine
Johnson, the face of the Vote Leave campaign, was PM for 3 years and won an 80 seat majority
Truss, 5 minute wonder, switched to rabid Brexiter mode
Sunak, who campaigned for Brexit, PM for almost 2 years
5 years of Brexit leaders 🤔
Sunak, February 2016
Article by her from 4 weeks ago:
(Deep breaths)
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/if-you-support-the-palestinian-cause-in-any-form-youre-facilitating-jew-hate-shyhqy05
Just another one whose delicate ego can't countenance she was wrong.
I left X to get away from uneducated idiot bigots. Blocked.
And you're right. It's deffo a losing battle. Abuse is often the stock response.
It was a criminal intended scam by a political party(Conservatives)
It needs to be reversed.
IF the EU allowed the UK back in, it would be on very different terms, not a reversal. It is British arrogance to think otherwise.
We will join without the 'discount' we had.
Maybe even replace the Pound with the Euro.
But trade will rise, and our economy will grow faster than now.
IF the EU will take you back, which (despite the new lamentations of Tusk) they probably won’t, as your next leader is going to be Farage (or maybe Robinson).
I suppose you also think that you can walk out on your spouse and then walk back in when you want to? What arrogance!
De Gaulle was completely right about Britain.
Face down the far right through mass Brexorcisms.
Rejoin EU: Reboot Britain.
https://amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DSHBXLL1/
#Brexit #LabourParty
People don't want to be exploited but also don't want to admit their mistake. So here we are.
1. There is no such thing as a bad policy.
2. Any policy can be destroyed by an incompetent workforce.
3. If a policy does not live up to expectations see #2
Her reputation precedes her!
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It had to wait until they left.🇮🇪🇪🇺
2024 figures will be interesting
First step in a gradual shift towards grudging acceptance of the need to strengthen EU ties?
They'll never admit they were wrong re Brexit, but they might come round to a snarky, "Well, I suppose" attitude to EU links.
It’s NEVER Brexit at fault for anything, it’s ALWAYS someone who hasn’t implemented it properly.
Really, it’s quite pathetic isn’t it?
I fear they will further embolden this craze of extremist right antics, they gave no soul, no compassion, no empathy.
Deranged.