Not to mention, why should we give AF what EM "thinks" about Anybody? The only bummer about not having Ivanka around is that she was the only sane one around. SOMEBODY needs to fact check.
I'm still confused how working for Ukrainian Oligarchs would be treason. By that logic, wouldn't Musk be guilty of treason because he does business in China?
1/2 Never mind Tesla owners. What about SpaceX and Tesla scientists and engineers, working for a man promoting opinions that scientists are out there to deceive public and that universities are simply propaganda incubators.
Cognitive dissonance is not reserved for "alienated blue-collar workers".
2/2 Sadly, all discussion we had in the East Block "why individual people went along to be enslaved by an aggressive and exploitative empire?" are becoming relevant in the US today.
"If I quit, somebody worse will take my post"
"I have family to feed"
"I am afraid my family would be targeted"
etc...
👍 Yes, so true. Fear and corruption makes you play along and hide behind bad excuses.
What you see in US with Trump is terrifying. What he stands for, I though was behind us. Democracy is brittle. Both Trump and Musk are not sane. They now have the power to destroy. To awake fear. To run on fear.
1/2 And you know what the dark secret is? The official version of Polish history is that "once the semi-free elections were possible in 1989, Poles overwhelmingly voted against the Soviet-alligned party and system". The truth is - it was only the effect - system changed.
2/2 But MAJORITY (about 60%) of Poles had nothing against status-quo, which included enslavement and decay all around. Those 60% either voted directly for status-quo, or did not go voting, when that vote was the only real chance to change something.
So much about "us freedom-loving Poles".
I fully agree, but also want to mention that most scientists are not rich, may have families and or want financial security, and may not have all the same choices available as you. Not to excuse but asking for some understanding. Now, engineers, feel free to blame for everything.....! I KEED.🧪
1/2 Are people tried in courts for common theft, mugging etc rich? Do they have financial security if they quit their line of work (thieving)? Do they have choices available (admittedly) to me?
2/2 Note the quandary. How to treat all people with the same fairness/unfairness.
It is not like people wake up some day in a bed, normal life, and decide "I will commit a crime today for a change".
I do not call for some "moral absolutism", but all this ground needs a careful navigation.
We can fight back by starting with boycotting EVERYTHING Elon Musk sells. People like him and Trump only knows one thing, the size of their wallets. We just need spook investors, which will drive down the price of his shares. His demise will snowball on its own from there.
If musk goes down, its not from defamation lawsuits. Musk is so rich he can defame with impunity and even if he lost every single case (hard when he can just flood the zone with lawyers and drag cases on forever) , it'd be pocket change to him.
I really ought to watch that film again, I saw it as a teen, mostly cos Lemmy was in it, and most of it went over my head, but here I am 35 years later, a bitter old Gen X who would dearly like to see bad things happen to the people that stole my kids future.
This is not justice, is it? :( He may decide to destroy the planet & no one may be able to stop him. Just because he is obscenely rich does not make it ok. This is utter madness.
Anyone in public life who had shared their dream of talking to God and getting the 'word' that they were going to be the next Moses would be getting therapy, not the Speaker's gavel. Frightening as fuck. 💯
Honestly, if he's going down, it'll be for corporate shit. A shareholder suit that leads to a judge deciding he's just going to take musks shit off him, or something. Those trials tend to be better funded because its rich person vs rich person combat.
There’s no Dept. of Gov Efficiency (DOGE) Est of exec departments, their authority, budget, requires acts of Congress. Deceit by threatening actions of a nonexistent authority for personal gain or to deny people’s rights is Fraud, which is a crime. Harm may also > a civil suit.
Musk is the traitor however he’s on the 🍊🤡’s good boy list and that’s the only thing resembling rule of law for the ultra wealthy. If anyone is thinking of enlisting in our armed services, please take note of how you’ll be treated as a veteran
Who in the FUCK elected Elon Musk? NO ONE. What scares me the most is that people are just saying what is going wrong and nonchalantly accepting people are talking about killing people that SERVED THE GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ. This is blatant Pro Russian propaganda by Musk and shameful!
And they have the permission of the corrupt not supreme court to do so. Kill anyone, shoot anyone, arrest anyone, as long as it is within official capacity. Sick, disgusting.
This regime is drunk with power. I would not be surprised if "on day one" they seize President Biden right at the inauguration and either let the magats tear him to shred or arrest him and try him for treason. Along with Dr Fauci, Alex, Nancy Pelosi, Liz Cheney, so many others. I fear for them.
He's part of the club, rich, big business, Drump suck-up, nothing will happen to him. Shouldn't be that way, but we can thank all the Drump voters for at least part of that.
Elon isn't even close to being worthy enough to lick Vindman's boots. Vindman should be respected to the highest regard. He made some harsh sacrifices many times for our country. F*CK Elon
IMO two over the top narcissists cannot be friends. I believe Elon & 🤬 friendship will end badly they are two big man babies. Going after Vindman doesn’t make sense.
Putin helped along with a group of ultra rich, some fanatical fascists, and Christian ideologues. They were coordinated by the Federalist society in the heritage foundation to pull this off
Vindman stands rooted, a stalwart of principle. Musk, untethered, drifts like a rogue comet, drunk on gravity. Power tests all; few emerge unscathed.
The void stirs, unimpressed.
Yep, notice how so called patriots kiss the ass of those who never served to protect this nation. It’s hard to watch Vets turn on each other for those who never risked a damn thing..
It’s hard to keep trump’s attention. Jr JD and Musk are all trying to, so we are in the hands of boys in the locker room with towels.Trump loves the one upping, the more cruel and vindictive the better. They’re all little malignant narcissist little boys. They live to ruin others lives for amusement
Yep. At the level billionaires play at their array of untreated mental illnesses prove who they really are as they run slipshod over enormous swaths of our society.
And some need someone to take it out on. Still attacking Kamala/Joe & their supporters. Like, after the fact of winning .. they still have grievances. Guess it's their cool-aid hangover.
That's what I was thinking: Oligarchs are bad and corrupt and working with them is treason? Idk Elon: if you were a pot... what color would you say that kettle over there has?
Yeah, but Vance has no rizz. Neither do most of Trump's hangers-on. But Elongated Muskrat has been hyped even more than Trump was, and there are countless incels who would pay lots of Dogecoin to lick his ass.
Agreed. But Vance was carefully chosen to be Prince Regent. MuskRat hip-checked Vance out of the way, and Vance and his oligarch boss are not going to sit by and take that.
It is going to be very interesting, from a safe distance if there is such a thing.
Hey Iain - I tend to not like baseless claims. I also don't make assumptions about people, for example that they support Trump. Or could I make the assumption that you support baseless claims (well, ones that you agree with)?
Trump...and/or Musk. And I've seen plenty enough of Trumpists and Muskrats who applaud when one of their idols calls someone a pedo guy, but as soon as there's a claim they don't like they're very concerned about evidence.
If Trump wants to get rid of even naturalized citizens, he can start with sending Musk back to South Africa. I’m sure they’ll be DELIGHTED to have him back.
Time for Biden to grant federal pardons! Signal to the Trump Terror Team that we will resist! Democrats need to stand up. So much talk about the "peaceful transfer of power". Fine. But while this option to protect our American heros still exist...Do it!
Truth be told! Apartheid💩 musk is drooling to get power from being under 🤡trumps armpits! He thinks how he savagely fired people in his company to cut costs is the same ticket to get rid of qualified, experienced fed workers! He truly is a spreader of propaganda using his Twit platform!🤬
Yes he is, since Twitter (X) is losing members and sponsors daily, all he has left is threats and bullying. Just because he bought the election for tRump, he thinks he can be co-president. Karma is a vengeful gal and she's coming his way.
TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump just throws him under the bus for something that goes wrong early in the Presidency. Like he puts his tariffs into action, it fucks up the economy and Don just goes "See, Musk had tricked me into thinking tariffs were good and they were not." (cont.)
"So Musk I like ya, but you screwed the pooch hard with this. You're fired."
Because that could trigger Musk's over-inflated ego so much, he starts a big fight with Trump, essentially showing how much of a cry baby shithead he really is.
Would genuinely be amazing to see, especially since it would completely tank the credibility and trustworthiness of both Trump and Musk.
Musk could completely kill Trump's credibility with voters who aren't deep in the MAGA cult while Trump as President could easily make decisions (cont.)
Absolutely! It will implode spectacularly. Trust me, there will be more infighting with his other staff as well. This what happened last time and it will again. We're going to damaged badly by this, but we have the means to survive and fix this, nobody is going to tell me different.
Besides, the thing with far right policies is that they inevitably blow up in their face (just look at Liz Truss and her mini budget). So when one of Trump's policies does inevitably implode, the infighting will kick off and Don will want a scapegoat - one of which could be Musk.
Alexander Vindman is a patriot. Elon Musk, himself an oligarch, is drunk on power and out of control.
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The illegal immigrant Mr. Musk, needs to be deported.
Elon is not a citizen, he has lied to gain citizenship and should be deported. Also with all his drug use, he should go to jail. I'm sure he's committed fraud on a large scale "starlink explosions" was that intentional interference info??? And the list goes on.
If Musk is going to throw the word "Treason" around, at least he should learn its definition in the USA.
The US Constitution defines treason in Article III, Section 3 as "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".
The average Trump voter only cares about a butchered version of the second amendment and would happily commit treason to throw out the rest. Don't think they ever even read it.
It would be interesting to put both fElon and tRUmp in separate padded cells without access to their drugs of choice, till they dried out, just to see what would be left of them.
He's a perfect storm of narcissism, drug use and unlimited wealth. He's turned into a megalomaniac. He reminds me of a character from an old Star Trek episode, Trelane, from The Squire of Gothos, the naughty boy with super powers, spoiled, juvenile, manipulative, flamboyant.
Thanks! It took me a while to figure out the character I was remembering, had to Google--I could see the face and the costume of the character, but I couldn't remember his name or the name of the episode.
Mental illness and drugs can exacerbate Musk being a jerkass, but they are not the underlying reason for his behavior - being raised by rich, soulless, racist people who profited off death and suffering, and who molded him into an egotistic manchild who solves his problems by throwing money at them.
mental illness and being a drug addict doesnt make u a terrible person
Thats where musk fails. He mayb could have been a person if he worked at it. He didnt
Any "mental illness" musk may have, is from an excess of those dangerous drugs
He grew up with a Nazi-aligned mother & her family, as well as an apartheid racist father & his family
His 'autism' only set in when Mommy's boy's bizarre drug-fueled behaviour was no longer socially acceptable
I just cannot stand these gross men. I hope our military has the ba*ls to stand up to tRump like the SoKo military who didn’t let things get outta control over there …
X and Tesla are spiraling downward; you'd think Elon would have better things to do than trying to destroy the world. But perhaps that was his end of the bargain with Satan.
President musk is working for Putin! I’d rather be working for Ukraine than Putin any day! But he’s not working for anybody, but vindman is only working for the United States!
~ ~ Just goes to show that money cannot buy you respect, personality or class. I think his balancing his own drug intake to compensate for his mental problems is not working well.
mElon is a horny prick who doesn’t contribute any thing to a normal society. All he has is $ and the government oughta know to refuse his 💩 l, he is not a genius he is not a brilliant mind!
I wonder if Musk may be the person who ends up being too crazy even for Trump? People have been saying there's not room in one relationship for two such enlarged egos and yes, that too could put paid to him, but lunacy could take him out first.
Yes, I've been wondering about this. But who's going to tell him? The problem with a bloke like Musk with the attitude he has is no one can tell him anything. Which is where the relationship with Trump will be very fragile.
He's either got real mental problems besides depression or he is taking an illegal, unprescribed concoction of drugs. I've been reading every article I see on side effects of abnormal use of ketamine.
None of the side effects of ketamine point to what we are seeing. I want more data.
That's what I was thinking. If people went on Truth Social and praised Elon... 'He's the MAN!' and 'GREAT to see someone with such a great intellect making plans for our beloved President!' and the like. We need to organise something like that.
Careful with that. Remember how malleable the MAGAs are. That level of "approval" will look real to them, and it will likely embolden them and Musk. Sarcasm is lost on them.
But that's precisely the idea. If Trump sees Musk getting too big for the boots Trump has assigned to him it will cause a rift. Think of Bannon. His fall from grace and his ejection were precisely because he was given - and taking for himself - too much credit in Trump's eyes.
I think there is a deal that allows Musk free rein in return for Trump getting richer - my guess Musk committed to by Truth Social for billions and merge it with X. Otherwise Trump can't sell his shares without taking a bath on them.
Imagine if, at his first press conference following inauguration, and he beings to obfuscate over a question, that a reporter asks if he needs to check with Elon first?
I'm not up for organising it, mind. 😝 But if people are up for it, suggest it to their friends, suggest they suggest it to their friends and so on, it's an idea that COULD take off and have an impact.
Absolutely, I've been thinking this for a little bit.
Every WH presser, someone asks that exact question. Trump won't stand for it, and actually, he shouldn't stand for it. He will be the President after all, duly elected (barf). No one asked for that freak Elon to be meddling in our affairs.
More to the point, those outlets most likely to play such manipulative games are in Trump's camp. It would be a subversion of news media, and those outlets opposing Trump are dedicated to journalistic rigour.
Aside from upstaging him, it's possible he does something daft and busts the USA like he's bust Twitter. Were that to happen he's toast. Trump won't want the responsibility.
Trump doesn't like people that bring him bad press. He will balance it against what his base reacts to. If someone goads Elon into going after the wrong person Trump will dump him. It would have to be someone Trump's base likes.
I say call him out. if you were correct Pete and must gets too dicey for Trump, then people should go on Trump site like Facebook and start posting this stuff on there, educating America what’s happening then asking Trump straight out do you agree with this? Somehow, force his to respond.
Both Musk and Trump are control freaks, needing to be Top Dog in any venture. I doubt if either could tolerate being Beta for very long. I am so interested to see how that relationship plays out. I doubt it will end well for one of them.
Perhaps. But the thing about crazy is it's idiosyncratic. One person's weird ideas are not another's unless they're being manipulated by the same disinformation. Even then, how much and how often, and by what they are fooled will vary. Madness takes singular forms.
Plus the madness of both guys is self-serving, and what serves Musk will not necessarily serve Trump and vice-versa. When you take all that into account, it's difficult for them to unite under the same reality or, if disinformation not misinformation, the same project.
That's why it's easy for these fringe lunatics to unite in common cause AGAINST something - the normies, reality as it is or whatever - but impossible for them to unite in creating anything. They can agree on what to destroy, but they cannot agree on what to build.
On the fringes, left or right, this always happens. Power may be obtained through dogged opposition, but governance itself then proves problematic unless you have just the one madness dominating. Trump is fine when he sets the agenda, but if he has to share power it falls apart.
MUSKRAT must be investigated for treason, & election interference,
He needs to be stripped of his naturalized citizenship. His gov contracts terminated, his assets frozen, and deported back to South Africa.. where he belongs.
He’s a white supremacist, looking to establish a dominion
If this doesn’t send chills down your spine, you’re in colossal denial regarding what is really happening. We are watching, in real time, the disintegration of the rule of law. We MUST protect this man & anyone under attack by the regime poised to weaken or destroy all of our systems.
I once said I didn't like elon, I think he's a terrible person and he shouldn't be a billionaire. And someone told me oh he's a harmless, he just likes to share memes, and now we are here
This makes me sick and it's going to get worse for Trump's perceived "enemies." All these rich brats punching down are despicable. And Trump is going to make Zelenski pay for his impeachment and tough shit to all the Ukrainians the war criminal his buddy slaughters. Trump is going to make them pay.
Yet we have an acquaintance who moved from Australia to US became brainwashed Trump loving evangelical gun lover who sends unhinged drunken pro Trump messages to her brother every day. Her FB post on 6 Nov “thank god for Elon Musk”, our 1st reaction was ?
Vindman is a disgrace to his uniform, and I would be saying the exact same thing had he done it to Biden. Integrity is not situational, either you have it or you don't. 30-year vet.
Musk’s status should be reduced to “illegal alien”. He falsified his intention when he first arrived claiming to be a student but never enrolling or attending. Citizenship laws are strict. If you lie anywhere in the process, that nullifies you for life. Deport his sorry ass on Day 1.
Even though I have not met him in person I would trust @avindman.bsky.social with almost anything. I wouldn’t trust Elon anywhere near my personal stuff/family.
Perhaps the 7 calls from Elon & Trump to Putin during the 2024 campaign should have alerted Justice officials to potential problems. Democracy requires Justice. America deserves better.
Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk had Thanksgiving dinner with Trump at Mar-a-Lago yesterday. I wonder what they talked about. I posted this on FB, but not Twitter ex because I cancelled my account. I'm waiting for the ax to fall.
Absolutely. That the coup plotters were not dealt with swiftly like other self respecting countries was a huge TELL. Billionaire Bond villain buy up \ threat a thon...👹👹👹
Washington DC should took care of Trump a long time ago when they had the chance! If those impeachments just would have gone through! And then just dragging their feet and on the other things that happened🤬🤬🤬
Consider that Pelosi husband almost killed \ Mitch McConnell SIL at bottom of resovoir \ Hunter Biden 🍆 everywhere is not unrelated to the mob tactics \ buy offs of flipped dems like Sinema...👹
The parallel between Trump and Bolsonaro in Brazil is astonishing
Both decided they wouldn't step down after losing an election. But now Bolsonaro is banned from running for presidency until at least 2030, while Trump will be president again in less than two months
Garland is definitely a reason but so are many others - especially in SCOTUS.
Remember Clarence Thomas telling "judge" Cannon she could challenge the legitimacy of the special counsel - which was enough for her to kill her trial subject to an appeal that never had time to happen before the election?
We should have seen progress by midterms, and we never did. Even now, elections NEED investigation, and it's impossible to get anyone to do anything. There's no excuse for the lack of urgency considering National Security.
I did not think private citizens even x presidents could negotiate with foreign powers. Both t and e have done this but if a poor citizen did this I bet they would be in jail right away
So if this is the logic, when does Elmo face the death penalty for violating the Logan Act along with Chump for conspiring with Vladimir Putin, Iran, North Korea and the rest of them?
We are at a very scary place right now...even more so than rumps first go-round.....God help this country. I doubt any citizen will remain unscathed after the shitshow actually begins Jan 20!
Elon is getting a big fat head, and he needs to get a reality check. He thinks Trump is his puppet since he bought the presidency for him. Trumpty Dumpty isn't going to like this
Holy shit,dangerous rhetoric..This is unacceptable & exactly the BS Trump pulled for putting targets on Americans backs. Vindman must of stepped on Musks fragile ego. Musk should be charged with the man’s protection now. Although we know how wealth abuse the system & how corrupt system has become.
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Trump is the Anti-christ.
He is the King of handouts.
https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-subsidies/
Musk and his Russian friends is by far the worst enemy of democracy, freedom and the free world.
Once again, every time I see a Tesla owner I think to myself: WHY? WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THIS FASCIST B*STARD? WHO ARE YOU?
Cognitive dissonance is not reserved for "alienated blue-collar workers".
I imagine that they talk about it. But do nothing. They are smart and well-educated people. Really disturbing.
"If I quit, somebody worse will take my post"
"I have family to feed"
"I am afraid my family would be targeted"
etc...
What you see in US with Trump is terrifying. What he stands for, I though was behind us. Democracy is brittle. Both Trump and Musk are not sane. They now have the power to destroy. To awake fear. To run on fear.
So much about "us freedom-loving Poles".
2/2 Note the quandary. How to treat all people with the same fairness/unfairness.
It is not like people wake up some day in a bed, normal life, and decide "I will commit a crime today for a change".
I do not call for some "moral absolutism", but all this ground needs a careful navigation.
He's reminding me of Buddy at this point. Who's going to catch him while he's monologuing?
https://youtu.be/LOGF_6wrczM?si=S-Fl8s6mzRVb8mEB
I really ought to watch that film again, I saw it as a teen, mostly cos Lemmy was in it, and most of it went over my head, but here I am 35 years later, a bitter old Gen X who would dearly like to see bad things happen to the people that stole my kids future.
So sad that Vindman so cherished America’s rule of law, only to watch it die.
(Warning…A few F-bombs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y40RU5Nx6U
(A similar thread on X was full of one-sentence epithets against Vindman.)
We have a suggestion for another nominee to the federal bench.
See above...
I had $5 on a journalist.
After his little talks with Putin, shouldn't that bar him from getting in the door?
The void stirs, unimpressed.
Elon/“Leon” is every bit as mentally ill and sinister as his Co-President, Trump.
We are in very dangerous territory.
#TraitorTrump
#PutinOwnsDonAndElon
Not one but two criminally-minded sociopaths on the rampage, with the world as playground, is not a prospect to relish, for sure.
It is going to be very interesting, from a safe distance if there is such a thing.
Vindman has done nothing wrong.
Because that could trigger Musk's over-inflated ego so much, he starts a big fight with Trump, essentially showing how much of a cry baby shithead he really is.
Musk could completely kill Trump's credibility with voters who aren't deep in the MAGA cult while Trump as President could easily make decisions (cont.)
Besides, the thing with far right policies is that they inevitably blow up in their face (just look at Liz Truss and her mini budget). So when one of Trump's policies does inevitably implode, the infighting will kick off and Don will want a scapegoat - one of which could be Musk.
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The illegal immigrant Mr. Musk, needs to be deported.
The US Constitution defines treason in Article III, Section 3 as "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".
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Trump stacked the courts with cranks last time. Biden gave him a dose of his own medicine. Last month is focused on judicial appointments.
Thats where musk fails. He mayb could have been a person if he worked at it. He didnt
He grew up with a Nazi-aligned mother & her family, as well as an apartheid racist father & his family
His 'autism' only set in when Mommy's boy's bizarre drug-fueled behaviour was no longer socially acceptable
#GoBackToX
#GoBackToGettr
#GoBackToParler
#GoBackToTruthSocial
He needs to go back to his K hole and stay there forever! LOL
Confirmed... & Duh...
Drama queen
None of the side effects of ketamine point to what we are seeing. I want more data.
Every time Trump says something, if the Press just asks "does Elon approve?" then trump will sideline him in a heartbeat
Y dedicarle muchos memes
Every WH presser, someone asks that exact question. Trump won't stand for it, and actually, he shouldn't stand for it. He will be the President after all, duly elected (barf). No one asked for that freak Elon to be meddling in our affairs.
What dabger will ensue from any fall out, we'll have to wait & see.
Musk isn't going to walk away from being inextricably involved in the US State rocket program, as fucking bizarre as that is.
And the punishment for treason is death. Not my opinion. Just the law.
Musk is just pointing that out. He’s not acting as “judge, jury, and executioner”.
You lefties are really dumb.
He needs to be stripped of his naturalized citizenship. His gov contracts terminated, his assets frozen, and deported back to South Africa.. where he belongs.
He’s a white supremacist, looking to establish a dominion
A WEAK MAN IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS TYPE OF MAN THERE IS.
NO good people are traitors
to be called human being!”
-Mehmet Murat ildan
This is what I call good trouble.
our Justice Department & public servants need to enforce our Logan Act now. ❤️🔥💞❤️🔥
Both decided they wouldn't step down after losing an election. But now Bolsonaro is banned from running for presidency until at least 2030, while Trump will be president again in less than two months
Remember Clarence Thomas telling "judge" Cannon she could challenge the legitimacy of the special counsel - which was enough for her to kill her trial subject to an appeal that never had time to happen before the election?
He's not wrong.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-was-elon-musk-grandfather-joshua-haldeman-technocracy-incorporated-party-2023-9
But I’m not laying any bets on that right now.