My take on the Elon hitler salute thing is that it was unintentional in the sense that he intended to make it a more ambiguous hand gesture with plausible deniability but completely fucked it up
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his face, the pathetic sound he makes, it strikes me that he just got completely caught up in the moment and went mask-off before he could really think twice about it
the same way you might throw up the horns unthinkingly, or a peace sign
but he has a different one at the forefront of his mind...
There’s been like a couple clips from Republican speakers in the past few years where they sort of put up the seig hell and then quickly move to the gesture they were consciously intending on doing and I think he wanted to emulate that but is too uncoordinated
I’m sorry but there is zero justification for this gesture. Not once, but twice. He knew what he was doing. Let’s STOP normalizing making EXCUSES for this behavior.
And the first comment is literally saying that Elon intended to do a sieg heil. Please *actually* read it again, they weren't being glib when they said that and you're genuinely off-base here.
I wasn’t intending she herself was normalizing it, I meant in general because too many people are trying to normalize this behavior right now. My apologies if it came out that way.
It's not a gesture most people would make as a natural reaction, unlike e.g. waving, lifting both open palms ("I don't know"). It involves effort & Musk's was a particularly violent & stiff movement.
Absolutely not!! And for people claiming it’s Asperger’s is ridiculous. I have a high functioning autistic son with Asperger and he even he knows what that gesture means and to not do it. For someone who is intellectual enough to make billions, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Respectfully disagree, he put his hand on his chest and extended it out "that way" twice in like five seconds to two different directions of the crowd, he knew exactly what he was doing.
I think he did the first hand sign by impulse but being self aware of it, and then a second one this time with the fingers pointing up to cover up for the salute
I think I'm finally seeing the "people who get angry because they don't know how to read posts" thing in the replies here lol. No idea how they're seeing this as a defense of Musk.
Who? Musk? Signs point to yes. Since you've asked that question though! I'm curious as to what would you consider enough evidence to deduce that someone is effectively a nazi
All I did was ask a question, why do you immediately think I don’t agree with you? And if I were to disagree with you, you’d just block me like the last person did.
He is a 4chan nazi. Thinks it's cool to have extreme ideas that are looked down on and even illegal. Not quite a nazi in the sense that he treats everyone horribly regardless of skin color. The actual nazis are offering him power so that's where he is heading.
Musk’s maternal grandparents were white supremacists who left Canada for apartheid South Africa. Their daughter Mae (Elon’s mom) is also very far right according to her ex husband. Apples, trees, falling etc etc
Is the ADL supposed to have some credibility on this topic or something?
You might as well link to a report from the Heritage Foundation or something and say "see! They're fine with it"
Laura Ingraham was the name I thought of. Some of the media played cover for year when she gave a salute and half way thru realized what she was doing and went with a wave.
Your rose colored glasses are in bigly need of cleaning. Reality is exactly what he showed. HE IS NAZI.
Guess in your reality there were really good people on both sides, amirite?
There's almost no evidence Romans actually made the salute in the gif but 18th century paintings and cinema have popularised it. It's also where the Italian fascists & Nazis got their salute so if he'd kept the arm angle down it could have been a dog whistle instead of Musk screaming he's a fascist.
Had no opinion on the Romans. I'm open a few degrees to Musk having fucked up an entirely different intention. Although he's def fascist
But I wouldn't dare contradict Centurion Lucius Vorenus, (Praefectus Evocatorum) 13th, much less Legionary Titus Pullo, 13th. If they did it, it must be true.
It's like when someone drops a word they shouldn't say. It was an accident, but the action was privately practiced, so it "slips" when they are distracted.
It's not a bad theory at all. Aligning with his whole shtick of winking at groypers and adjacent online communities, like he did just weeks ago changing his whole profile (which he then had to revert).
Musk, Peter Thiel, David Sacks & Paul Furber (QAnon creator), 4 of Maga’s most influential voices are white men with formative experiences in apartheid South Africa. We are watching them form a Fourth Reich. It has been staring us in the face. https://www.ft.com/content/cfbfa1e8-d8f8-42b9-b74c-dae6cc6185a0
I think the worst part isn't whether he did it on purpose or not
Its seeing right wingers either defend him doing it if they agree it was a nazi salute, or coming up with the worst explanations for it, showing what they'd actually do in a Nazi take over.
Honestly, yeah... And even seeing the media trying to defend it or explain it away feels a lot like the Luigi situation... Bowing down to try and gloss over what's obvious to everyone...
He comes from a Nazi-sympathizer family. While many were surprised by his financial support of the German far-right party AfD, it all fell into place with that very Nazi salute last night. He had hidden his political views well.
This is comical. So one of the leading tech gurus of our time gives a speech broadcast perhaps around the world and he decides he needs to throw in a couple of heils in for his buddies. It's so stupid that we're even talking about this but I get it; people must find fault with him somewhere, somehow
This sieg heil thing is just so stupid. The outrage birds are flying with their wings fully extended. Last Trump term it was inauguration crowd size. Now this ridiculous thing.
I think he was too high to realize he was on national television. My theory is that he’s done this at private events at Mar A Lago before and was well received, but a little too much ketamine that morning and he forgot that the whole country could see him.
A wave is not the same and posting a still image to dishonestly present these as the same gesture isn't going to be the successful propaganda you think it is Nazi.
Ah, yes. A liberal calling someone they don't agree with a nazi. How original. Even the fucking IDF was defending him saying it was not a nazi salute. Fucking retard.
No, I'm calling a Nazi defending a Nazi salute, a Nazi. You're a cowardly Nazi too apparently, protip if you're too scared to even own the label of Nazi then maybe that's your sign that your beliefs are repugnant and should be changed
Yes, possible.
He did appear very baked in the juices of his own megalomania.
We creep towards fascism but its speeding up.
Sadly, history repeats.
Power is a hell of a drug and he is in love with it.
He knew exactly how it would look, to tell people my heart goes out to them you don't need to do that and if he did it 1 time then yes a mistake, he did it 3 times, that's a pattern, you saying he didn't know what people would think, his grandfather also supported apartheid.
Personally, I think he just doesn't care about maintaining stealth and plausible deniability anymore. This is his moment almost as much as it is Trump's; he's a triumphant fascist who was just acting naturally in that moment.
After all, why bother being coy now? FFS, the frigging ADL and NYT among others are already running cover for him, and NBC edited that moment out of their live feed by switching the feed to a camera focused on the crowd.
My take is that it was a Freudian slip. A moment of control diminished by excitement (and possibly K) which allowed his murky unconscious motivation to reveal its ugly self.
This guy got pardoned along with the proud boys and oath keepers.
There is no plausible deniability.
Walks like duck, salutes like a duck you're a fucking duck.
It was deliberate. His only excuse might be that he was completely fucked up on ketamine. But that's not an excuse, it's an excuse to remove him from the United States. #IllegalimmigrantElon
This 100%. He got over-excited and let his freak flag fly without inhibition. I guarantee everyone in his circle and in Trump’s circle cringed and are pissed at him for being so corny and obvious.
Definitely intentional with a “was that really…?” deviation for social media analysis. He’s a sociopath and constantly in need of attention. He and Trump constantly create it.
When this first came out I didn't check it out thinking it was more internet drama but I just saw it.. Holy Shit, how can you interpret that in any other way?
I think he knew exactly what he was doing and intentionally wanted to fuck with people. He wants to test what he can get away with, he's already named a govt. dept. after a meme
I think in his brain he thought he was doing some epic trolling of the libs who keep calling him a Nazi (by pointing out that he has all the same beliefs as Nazis).
I think it's literally a test to see how much the media will cover for them now. Low visibility on most platforms and sane-washing in the legacy media, so looks like the test succeeded
I do think he was falsely under the impression that this was within the boundary between "epic troll" and "genuinely unacceptable behavior that needs reprimanding"
Somehow though, that internal logic doesn't tend to be sufficient in my experience.
i have a similar take from the opposite direction, i think he saw the plausibly deniable hand gestures from other gop members but is so dense that he thought that it was just fully accepted now and so did it on stage putting his whole bussy into it
Yea, it kinda looks like a crappy try of masking it as something else. His left hand on his "heart" was what totally gave it away. I've seen these clowns do that same shit so many times over Muskrat isn't really fooling anyone.
That’s giving him too much credit. They think they’ve won, he no longer has to hide it. He controls a major source of “news”. He knew what he was doing. I look forward to pissing on his grave
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the same way you might throw up the horns unthinkingly, or a peace sign
but he has a different one at the forefront of his mind...
He's never denied it
He doubled down and did it TWICE
And the first comment is literally saying that Elon intended to do a sieg heil. Please *actually* read it again, they weren't being glib when they said that and you're genuinely off-base here.
Elon: "you said the truth"
You might as well link to a report from the Heritage Foundation or something and say "see! They're fine with it"
Guess in your reality there were really good people on both sides, amirite?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...
My heart to y'all is palm up and elbow out... even Iron Man's blaster is palm forward.
I agree it's possible, but I'm lost as to what he might have been trying to do.
But I wouldn't dare contradict Centurion Lucius Vorenus, (Praefectus Evocatorum) 13th, much less Legionary Titus Pullo, 13th. If they did it, it must be true.
speaking of which, lot of people in the replies can’t read, apparently
Turning to the flag for a second attempt shows his intention either way.
Its seeing right wingers either defend him doing it if they agree it was a nazi salute, or coming up with the worst explanations for it, showing what they'd actually do in a Nazi take over.
When they dump that bucket of blood on him at prom, it is going to be a spectacle for sure.
He's a dangerously disgusting fascist cunt.
At least people aren't losing their minds over crowd size like the last time.
This was something larger.
I'll show myself out.
https://bsky.app/profile/ygshangotpaer.bsky.social/post/3lgarae2ypk2m
He did appear very baked in the juices of his own megalomania.
We creep towards fascism but its speeding up.
Sadly, history repeats.
Power is a hell of a drug and he is in love with it.
scary guy.
There is no plausible deniability.
Walks like duck, salutes like a duck you're a fucking duck.
It was a full-throated sig heil
And, he did it TWICE just to make sure you weren't mistaken
Somehow though, that internal logic doesn't tend to be sufficient in my experience.