Musk has already stolen our most sensitive data and shared it with the Kremlin (that we know of). The money transfers will come later in the form of custom defense contracts.
Yep, it’ll be just another giant boondoggle cluster fuck for him to raid. And all of the suckers will find somebody to blame for it failing. The eternal Biden.
It won't be us there, will it? It'll be the mega-rich. Until the inevitable and they die a hilarious, if eye-watering death. The money it will cost could have been spent sorting the mess here. But that would be the obvious move!
NOT sure we should just throw this out of consideration....the earth might benefit amazingly if we sent Drump and Elon to the moon to explore...so long as if us one way
...and they pay!!!!!!
It's a total scam. As most actual rocket scientists will explain, we have the technology to get people to Mars. We do not have the technology to get them back. It would be a suicide mission.
And it distracts from his failures and exploding rockets. He gets the crowd to look at the next shiny object.
Instead of trying to populate a planet that would make the Mojave Desert look like a tropical paradise, let’s take care of the planet that we have been given! Our earth! Please protect her!
You've got your short-term politics mixed up with the future of humanity.
#Elon's #Mars idea is a good one. He screwed up by getting into politics. We in the Space field aren't happy about it. I've called him out on it.
Maybe if he goes one way himself, that'll make you happy - Im cool w that. Lol.
There is no long term colonization in our life time. There might be a trip there and back, but I wouldn't bet on Musk's machines getting there and back.
I think that we should first let him go by himself or preferably with Trump and his wife..err and Karoline Leavitt and MTG, Lauren Boebert err..Pam Bondi and err...oh! Stephen Miller err...oh what the hell the whole lot of them!
I agree with you 100%. This planet, no matter how much we keep it viable, is not going to last forever. Humans are explorers and we evolve. Plus, the Universe doesn't give a shit about life on earth.
The best way to survive an asteroid hitting Earth is to prepare for it here on Earth. There is no scenario where an asteroid strike on Earth renders Earth *less* habitable than Mars is to begin with.
If you want to survive an asteroid strike start digging underground bunkers here.
That is affordable, and it could actually *work*. You'd have access to air, temperatures would be livable, you wouldn't be fried by radiation, and if something goes wrong you can just pop the hatch and step outside to the surface.
There are zero scenarios where Mars is a *better* place to be.
Oh, I agree with that. I don't think Mars is the answer either. I'm thinking doing away with planets altogether. Become a truly space-faring species, and we won't need planets.
In the meantime, the Moon might make for a good location for a permanent settlement, if it could become self-sufficient.
I don't. The science is solid. China is working on the tech and the logistics. They'll likely get there first. Or, at minimum, be the first successful manned mission.
His posted goal (terra-forming) is fake; he wants to mine it. If he can terra-form Mars, then he can fix Earth’s climate change. We cannot persist in consuming this planet.
Ripping of 1%ers who are ripping of...US!! If Besoz and Musk were taxed properly they wouldn't be able to afford to go on space tourist trips. And Musk got a $5.9 billion contract of taxpayers money for SpaceX's exploding rockets.
Everyone realizing we live on one planet with one atmosphere and one biosphere should give a damn. Not for the rich people getting scammed, but for the resources burned in the process.
A lot of chemical rockets, especially some fuels like Azide fuels, have a major impact. However, it's not significant compared to issues like fossil fuel, CFCs, etc.
And the reality is that a lot of space-based resources are going to be necessary for solving climate change.
And unless you wanna literally ride on the shockwave of atomic bombs (Project Orion) there aren’t many technological alternatives for getting to space from earth’s surface (and no, electric ion engines produce way too little thrust to be viable for launching from the ground)
Thank you!!! I've been saying this for years, these huge rockets ripping through our atmosphere must be doing something. It's like idiots saying it's snowing in my town so there is no global warming or, my tap water is clear so talk about polluted drinking water is over blown.
I'm not enough of a chemist to know if the water produced by hydrogen+oxygen rocket boosters is causing issues when exposed to UV and Ozone. I also don't know what solid fuel does when combusted.
As proposed by Musk ? A complete scam. The man wants to rule an entire world of loyal peons. The moment he travels outside of earth's atmosphere we should deny him re-entry.
Elon Musk wants to “save humanity”, by abandoning this Garden of Eden in our solar system, and retreating to a Dead, Lifeless Planet that cannot sustain life.
Elon Musk has always been a scam artist and snake oil salesman.
His grandiose promises are lies meant to enrich himself.
It seems a foolish idea. The guy who says the government wastes money wants to ship trillions of dollars into space, indefinitely. Astonishingly, no one asks how do we recoup the expense of building and maintaining the colony?
I think it’s eventually going to be visited by humans but it’s ridiculous to underestimate the difficulty of a manned mission to such an inhospitable place. It’s far more relevant to launch our current leadership & its cult followers into deep space.
They can bootstrap themselves into some heat. I have no qualms about letting billionaires potentially freeze. They're supposedly the smartest people anywhere - as evidenced by how they won capitalism - so let them figure it out themselves.
It's a dead planet. It can't be terraformed. Elon also lied about how frightening Google's AI work was because they were going too fast & doing things without enough thought. (Is that like going fast & breaking things?)
it costs in the order of $180,000 to take 1 gram of mass from earth's surface to Mars orbit. This is not even the surface of Mars. This is just to get it in orbit. Put into human terms a single Twinkie cake costs $7 million to take it from earth and put into a Mars orbit. It is definitely a scam.
There is absolutely no reason to go to Mars! It is an extremely expensive venture to a dead rock with no ROI. Same reason we haven't been back to the moon.
There currently can NOT be a “manned” mission to mars. Why? The macular degeneration during this length of flight will cause any guy who tries to go, to go blind. NASA was told they could send women and they said no!
There's no atmosphere on Mars that is compatible with life!!
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Simply going to Mars is not a scam. It's an amazing accomplishment from the smartest people on this planet.
However trying to terraform the planet is a scam. Even if we could bring back the magnetic field (unlikely) the solid core means it will just get stripped away from solar winds again.
With how massive of an undertaking terraforming would be, putting an artificial magnet at the Sun-Mars L1 point and maintaining it should be plausible by the time any other aspect of it could be done.
Nobody worth your time thinks that terraforming a planet is an easy or quick task, just that it *could* be done and would be an interesting long-term prospect for humanity.
going to moon is much better than even going to mine asteroids, its full with rare metals, and a perfect jumping off point for future exploration, check out anthrofuturism on youtube for more about that
Yup. And white refugees from South Africa may have a new path to citizenship as the EU grabs other assets in the brain drain. How many green cards for those new Texas towns?
It is right now.
I don’t trust or space program to 2 guys who casually crash rockets while collecting OUR tax money for obscenely funded contracts.
GO TO HELL, billionaire toy boys. 🤬
Go crash your own jet with your failed FAA program.
We’ll wait…🍿🍿🍿🍿
Do us all a polite favor and go break your DOGE neck for us.
Wrapped around a tree in a Tesla truck with Trump in the passenger seat.
Now THAT’S “breaking things” we can get behind.
Really?
Bad manners?
Poor reading comprehension?
Those are maga things, and I am decidedly NOT a maga.
Where are you coming from with this?
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My condolences.
Yeah, it's just living in the Atacama Desert, but you're 225 million kilometres away from Earth and there are no familiar resources, food, anything to speak of. But hey, you don't live on Earth I suppose
Makes no sense at all, 80% of earth's oceans remains unexplored, oceans constitute 70% of earth's surface so over 1/2 the planet remains unexplored. So we are going to spend billions exploring another planet when 1/2 of ours is unknown. Sure sounds like the setup for a scam.
It's just like the railroads. Get the govt to put up all of the risk and investment for private businesses to take over the finished product.
Are there minerals there to mine? Let the govt find out and then we'll take over.
Thanks,
Your favorite billionaires.
Mars has 38% Earth gravity. Nobody knows the effect of 38% gravity on a developing fetus, but you can be sure it won't be Zero effect. If you can't give birth to healthy babies on Mars it won't be much of a colony.
If you were an Astronaut, would you really go to Mars in a space ship built by a bloke who owns a company that makes cars, that is recalling 47,000 of them because the panels were glued on and they keep falling off 🤔
We've been & are on Mars. Many times. If we can't have a permanent human presence on the moon, by what reasonable thought can we have it on Mars? Burn the books, close libraries, attack academia. Just a $ making scam. Take critical thinking away make them dumb so that all believe anything they say.
Anyone who thinks we will have a base on Mars anytime soon needs to learn about the Biosphere 2 project. With every advantage of being able to build on earth they tried to create an independent base for 8 people but failed miserably. Now imagine trying to build it on Mars, for a million people!
Im in favour of a Mars mission-Lets make Trump the first man on Mars,he will be the best spaceman ever, why i bet he could even breath the poisonously thin air and be immune to the deadly radiation that abounds - With some stoic, white man (no DEI's thank you) energy, we can do it!! Lets MMGA!!!
Once you leave the “safety” of the Earth, you have little or no protection from solar radiation. Cancer. Spacecraft springs a leak? Imagine Apollo 13, but no happy ending. Infection? ER is millions of miles away and here you are without a medical specialist. Maybe the onboard computer goes crazy?
I feel exploration is important, in fact very important, biti feel mars isn't where our funds and efforts should go....we know about mars, we need to expand our view instead.
It would happen at great cost to the astronauts health. Long term exposure to microgravity and radiation would mess them up and no one ever acknowledges that.
Yes, it is. Ther is no air to breathe and it’s either deadly hot or cold
Once you get in that ship to Mars, you will never be ‘outside’ ever again. Always encased in a techno shell.
Prison like. Never out again. It’s a way to spark imagination cuz he thinks ours is simpleton
The guy pushing ‘going to Mars’ will never go into space himself.
The way technology is heading means androids will be sent to Mars first. Maybe within 10 yrs - no spacesuits needed.
Their exploits will be beamed to us and we will watch them 24/7 like they’re all in the Big Brother house, on Mars.
Going to Mars is not a scam for the actual science community that wants to study it and our cosmos. It IS a scam for the world's richest man, who has gained excessive wealth on taxpayer-footed gov. contracts. Mars development will take that to exponential new highs. Earth suffers, he gets richer.
That's too bad, since he's an atheist and believes in Science. I know he's on Joe Rogan, but supporting Trump seems incongruous to the rest of his beliefs.
As much as I cringed I got why he went on brogains pod. But pandering to brainless nut jobs who unequivocally do not believe in science is beyond me. Just showed me who he really is. #IChooseBear
Not the right comparison at all, I'm afraid.
Technologies to mitigate damage, reverse GHG rise & restore environmental health are ALL in need of significant resource investment. It's definitely comparable to deciding to invest in terraforming tech.
Thats why i said before, the argument isn't about technology but investment. Why investment in terraforming a barren planet that would take a minimum of 2 lifetimes to actually be livable when the same money and time can be invested to fix our problems.
NEVER going to happen. #musk is a liar & a fraud. 🤬
Humans gave up on the moon decades ago, let alone trying to create an atmosphere on Mars which is affected by the most dangerous of radiation that no humans can remain to survive on the planet for months let alone years without contracting cancers.
Colonizing Mars won't have the "problem" of indigenous people with an actual claim to the planet but, it will have the other start up problems (starvation without infrastructure, tyrannical governance, imposition of unreasonable "productivity/profitability" metrics)
Depends on who is proposing the flight. NASA was legitimately working towards that goal and doing it the right way (planetary protection & giving the crew a reasonable chance at survival ) Anyone else? I have serious doubts.
Of course it is.
If it can be done at all, it won't be now, and it won't be by private resources.
Only a "World Government" will ever be able to fund it, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
It’s a complete scam and Musk has built his fortune on “moonshot” scams. Now he is going to line his pockets with money that had originally been planned for NASA programs which are being shuttered and downsized to give more money to Musk the Welfare Queen.
Oh, damage to the environment is an externality - it doesn't eat into profits, so it doesn't matter! How nice for corporations, that they can simply bracket out the things that they don't want to pay for. Just foist it onto the public...then exploit every loophole to avoid paying their damn taxes.
After all it’s so important to facilitate travel to a planet with no oxygen that cannot easily support human life rather than to find ways to save the planet in which we already live that we know can support life.
I don’t think Mars sounds like a place to party. No atmosphere.
(Also bathed in nasty surface radiation about 2.5x what someone on the ISS would experience, months-long dust storms that would sandblast anything in their path - such as solar panels and sensitive electronics…
…why Mars, not Callisto?)
Static electricity from sandstorms during the great ‘dust bowl’ era killed people who touched telephones.
The wire was charged by sand grain impacts.
Sandstorms on Mars blow at half th speed of sound.🤨
What's a scam is that we're not already there. Colonizing Mars should have been the next step after the Moon. We need people of science and reason to make it happen, not people of money and lies.
We do not have the intelligence to colonize any planet, we barely can manage our own…and the amount of time we have been here as a species on this planet is pretty much no time compared to the existence of earth.
We used to not know how to make a wheel, or a car, or a plane, or a rocket.
We made it to the Moon and back over half a century ago. Had we as a global sentient species applied ourselves to it, we'd be making space babies on Mars by now! Instead we fight amongst ourselves! Wasteful!
Agreed, not uniting as a collective has been clearly non productive. But until humans can unite on this planet and save this planet, why waste time somewhere else?
No Schumann resonance on Mars- human brains won't function properly there. It is needed for healthy brainwave activity, cognitive performance, and even sleep patterns.
My hot take is that musk and other elites want to enslave humanity on earth to not just fund it but to support life on mars. It will take everything this earyh has left to make it possible
Elysium, Matt Damon movie about elites living on a luxury space station while the rest of us struggle working for them on a damaged earth.Isn't Bezos thinking of building one of those? I think he really is. More doable for a quick escape.
I would argue the Earth will inevitably suffer a cataclysm that will render it unlivable to all human life. Leaving Earth is the only means of prolonging human existence. Solving our problems first is unrealistic. That said, giving a planet to Musk seems like a very bad idea.
It's doable with current technology. That's the worm on the hook. But it's barely doable. Even a rescue mission would be far fetched.
And when we do land, there's a good chance we'll see a Chinese flag waving at us. Soviets were 1st in space. US got to the moon. The Chinese want to be first on mars
Definitely. Okay, it will be a cool thing to do in maybe a hundred years or so, but we don't have the technology to do anything but maroon a handful of people there for the rest of their lives. Mining it, like mining the Moon, is another scam because of the cost of shipping what's your mine back.
👋!!! An exceptional amount of science can be accomplished remotely, and therefore cheaply, on Mars and throughout our solar system. Sending a live crew is more of establishing a human milestone than conducting scientific research. The cost is too high for any one country nowadays.
We won't be 9 billion people forever.. so we either move off world one day, or force sterilization on earth's citizens.
Yeah, that'll be a popular alternative
It's not even the coolest entity to explore in our own solar system. If Elon wants to go there, please for the love of God, send him, but don't waste any of our scientific talent on his masturbatory mission.
Latest presidential order is saying that it's actually orange coloured and renaming it Planet trump!
IT'S THE BEST PLANET, SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE HORRIBLE WOKE GREEN EARTH. LET'S MAKE MARS GREAT AGAIN.
💯 and everyone should know this by now. These billionaires cannot live in the most desolate hottest desert on Earth, so how exactly do they survive in Mars?
I don’t think it’s a scam, I think it’s still a goal for all man kind, however it would seem to be a bad idea to leave it to the man who’s rockets keep exploding…
It's a dream and an aspiration. In and of itself, I think it could be a good thing.
But not with Musk and his ilk in charge. It will take decades, painstaking research, technological breakthroughs and an abundance of care to make it a reasonable level of risk for the heroic men & women who go.
Are there no fiction readers here? The Martian was a great book and a solid movie and what I took away is that Mars is forever uninhabitable. 80° below zero. Practically no atmosphere. Sandstorms of hundreds of miles an hour.
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If you couldn't pay/work enough then out the airlock you go.
He doesn't have the balls to make a flight to Mars.
...and they pay!!!!!!
Instead of trying to populate a planet that would make the Mojave Desert look like a tropical paradise, let’s take care of the planet that we have been given! Our earth! Please protect her!
#Elon's #Mars idea is a good one. He screwed up by getting into politics. We in the Space field aren't happy about it. I've called him out on it.
Maybe if he goes one way himself, that'll make you happy - Im cool w that. Lol.
NASA’s Curiosity rover measured ~0.67 mSv/day on the surface—about 250 mSv/year, or 65x Earth’s background level.
Health risks include cancer, CNS effects, and potential cognitive decline.
Source: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/340/6136/1080
No one will live on mars. No one.
I think Muskow should clamber into his next SpaceX rocket & just go for it.
Spirit of adventure & all that.
In fact its cold as hell"--Elton John/Bernie Taupin
The Moon is a different story.
It's close enough that there's a commercial viability for it.
Elmo's wet dream is nonsensical.
But going to Mars on a longer timeframe, learning slowly but surely how humanity can become a truly spacefaring civilisation, is not a scam.
You are 100% correct. Musk is carnival barker making promises he can't keep.
But humans have always been explorers. And landing on Mars has been a goal since we landed on the moon. Not to colonize but to explore.
The best way for humanity to survive it, is to ensure that were not all here when it happens. The clock is ticking. 🕚
If you want to survive an asteroid strike start digging underground bunkers here.
There are zero scenarios where Mars is a *better* place to be.
In the meantime, the Moon might make for a good location for a permanent settlement, if it could become self-sufficient.
Elon’s not really all that bright.
Billionaires/space tourism going to Mars? Absolute scam, but they're ripping off 1%ers, so who gives a damn.
And the reality is that a lot of space-based resources are going to be necessary for solving climate change.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/02/230214154013.htm
I'm not enough of a chemist to know if the water produced by hydrogen+oxygen rocket boosters is causing issues when exposed to UV and Ozone. I also don't know what solid fuel does when combusted.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/02/230214154013.htm
Elon Musk has always been a scam artist and snake oil salesman.
His grandiose promises are lies meant to enrich himself.
it costs in the order of $180,000 to take 1 gram of mass from earth's surface to Mars orbit. This is not even the surface of Mars. This is just to get it in orbit. Put into human terms a single Twinkie cake costs $7 million to take it from earth and put into a Mars orbit. It is definitely a scam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One
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💲= POWER
However trying to terraform the planet is a scam. Even if we could bring back the magnetic field (unlikely) the solid core means it will just get stripped away from solar winds again.
I don’t trust or space program to 2 guys who casually crash rockets while collecting OUR tax money for obscenely funded contracts.
GO TO HELL, billionaire toy boys. 🤬
Go crash your own jet with your failed FAA program.
We’ll wait…🍿🍿🍿🍿
Wrapped around a tree in a Tesla truck with Trump in the passenger seat.
Now THAT’S “breaking things” we can get behind.
And your manners.
Bad manners?
Poor reading comprehension?
Those are maga things, and I am decidedly NOT a maga.
Where are you coming from with this?
Got a Tesla? 🤷♀️🤣
My condolences.
Can one walk along at will there?
China is now in the works to construct a nuclear plant on the Moon.
https://www.uniladtech.com/science/space/china-build-nuclear-reactor-moon-us-shock-176685-20250429
Are there minerals there to mine? Let the govt find out and then we'll take over.
Thanks,
Your favorite billionaires.
Well, if Musk is into it he can go. But the rest of us are cool.
Sounds miserable to me
😉
Once you get in that ship to Mars, you will never be ‘outside’ ever again. Always encased in a techno shell.
Prison like. Never out again. It’s a way to spark imagination cuz he thinks ours is simpleton
And I’ve never heard him list the disadvantages of which there are zillions
The way technology is heading means androids will be sent to Mars first. Maybe within 10 yrs - no spacesuits needed.
Their exploits will be beamed to us and we will watch them 24/7 like they’re all in the Big Brother house, on Mars.
It would be logical to say you could use that money to fix earth, not the technology.
Technologies to mitigate damage, reverse GHG rise & restore environmental health are ALL in need of significant resource investment. It's definitely comparable to deciding to invest in terraforming tech.
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Humans gave up on the moon decades ago, let alone trying to create an atmosphere on Mars which is affected by the most dangerous of radiation that no humans can remain to survive on the planet for months let alone years without contracting cancers.
Kings let colonists die, first.
EFF no!
It’s a disco ball
To make ppl who no longer employ Critical Thinking in daily their lives chase the glitter
(or is that the very definition of scam? ;-)
If it can be done at all, it won't be now, and it won't be by private resources.
Only a "World Government" will ever be able to fund it, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
Of course it is!
A major distraction.
Too much expense.
Too little benefit.
Keep your hands off Mars!
It's like saying, "I walked to the shops, so I can walk to Australia".
You can. In theory. But the level of difficulty is so high, that you'd almost certainly fail.
(Also bathed in nasty surface radiation about 2.5x what someone on the ISS would experience, months-long dust storms that would sandblast anything in their path - such as solar panels and sensitive electronics…
…why Mars, not Callisto?)
The wire was charged by sand grain impacts.
Sandstorms on Mars blow at half th speed of sound.🤨
We made it to the Moon and back over half a century ago. Had we as a global sentient species applied ourselves to it, we'd be making space babies on Mars by now! Instead we fight amongst ourselves! Wasteful!
We should do All The Things! (waves hands in the air randomly) All the Things! LOL!
And when we do land, there's a good chance we'll see a Chinese flag waving at us. Soviets were 1st in space. US got to the moon. The Chinese want to be first on mars
Mankind is a real son of a bitch!
And even if it was a possibility, the only way anyone not obscenely wealthy would be brought over? Elon said it before... indentured servitude.
Habitable
Yeah, that'll be a popular alternative
IT'S THE BEST PLANET, SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE HORRIBLE WOKE GREEN EARTH. LET'S MAKE MARS GREAT AGAIN.
It's to funnel money in offshore accounts for Dementia Donny No Deals and Illegal Student VISA violator Musk
Like the Deep Ocean Implosion ride.
Ciao $$!
But not with Musk and his ilk in charge. It will take decades, painstaking research, technological breakthroughs and an abundance of care to make it a reasonable level of risk for the heroic men & women who go.