making up insulting nicknames is one of those things Trump is actually pretty good at. This one is just terrible though, it makes him sound cool and powerful
I mean, I'm not green party, but unless we can get liberals to take third parties seriously (without succumbing to obvious capitalist monopoly tricks like "they're friends with our foreign enemies), it's a wasted objective.
The people who opposed Biden wanted Jill Stein. Time for her to step out of the shadows and lead. Wherever it is that she’s hiding until the next presidential election.
if any americans or canadians reading this would be interested, i’m making a discord server for americans considering asylum and canadians willing to help out. i’d be happy to send you all a link if you’re interested!
Yes. When a healthcare CEO was murdered, they couldn't even bring universal healthcare back to the discussion. Instead of seizing an easy opportunity, they showed all voters they care more about donors than people's lives. We literally can't trust them on any issue.
To our friends in the center: It doesn't matter what your foreign policy opinions on Israel/Palestine are. We just lost an election on terrible foreign policy decisions. Period. It happened to Johnson with Vietnam, it happened yo Bush with Iraq, and now it happened to us with Palestine.
Idk what makes some politicians think that spending billions of dollars bombing the middle east is a good use of our tax money, or that we're somehow going to create praceful democracies with violence. The war in palestine has all but guaranteed 50 more years of radical terrorism in response.
Oil interests manipulated US policy to avoid a green transition and maintain oil supremacy. At the same time, our form of global hegemony primarily uses food insecurity & currency manipulation to extract resources from the global south. We ensured that oil would be priced in dollars & some countries
would be food insecure with various active measures, because we have large refineries and farms. That system of hegemony is being disrupted by a genocidal wannabe-dictator, who wants ALL wealth to flow to a much smaller group of people, instead of MOST.
The oil insterests in america are distinct from & competing with russian oil firms. But they have a shared interest in the world remaining oil dependent
Drilling down to individual actors tells you more about what shapes specific policies. But insiders fundamentally undermined US long-term strategy
Similar story with offshoring etc. just capitalists hollowing out the imperial core for their personal benefit.
Follow the money or whatever. Trump is dumb and extra corrupt tho, I don't understand why europe didn't just outspend Russia/Israel. Unless they're somehow shocked? Or russia has leverage
Palestine did not move the needle nearly as much as online leftists think it did. The overwhelming majority of American voters don’t care about Palestine at all.
The overwhelming majority didn't care about our arming of a genocide and a fascist won the presidency? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Almost like this country has been fascist for a while.
Incorrect. If Hammtramk had voted the way they normally do, we'd gave won Michigan. It is incredibly stupid to say that such a divisive issue had no impact on an election decided on razor thin margins.
There weren't a couple thousand people in a couple states who stayed home because they were upset about the admin's foreign policy? That's what you're saying? Because that's a room-temperature IQ take that willingly ignores the last 60 years of foreign policy's effect on elections.
there're also millions of disabled that were shoved to the side as were the groups concerned with the genocide. the dems were not willing to face the elephants because their donors did not care. it all started with citizen united - prior to that kh would have stopped speaking and would have listened
See that's what I'm talking about. The Biden admin's palestine policy kneecapped their ability to mobilize the liberal/leftist activist base, costing them the election. The people that get in their friends faces and make them vote didn't do that this time around.
We watched these people completely torch VP Harris campaign and to what end? What exactly did that abandon Harris campaign accomplish? They all either voted for Trump or worse they voted for Jill Stein smdh.
The genocide was very unpopular with the public, Biden was very unpopular with the public, the Harris's campaign polling showed she was unpopular - and she still went on TV repeatedly and said she would be exactly like Biden and would continue the genocide. Now tell me who torched her campaign?
Welcome to your new dictatorship America! I hope you enjoyed your freedoms while you had them. I hope you weren’t expecting an affordable future because prices won’t be going down and Trump could care less because you no longer have a say in what happens to you or this country!
i love that the usa has 1) a non functional, 200 year old, walmart version of a democracy 2) has one fascist/far right and one conservative party. y'all don't even have a real choice it's hitler or some dude who's almost as bad...
The Dems’ reaction to the genocide was the final straw.
I no longer consider myself a Democrat even though I am still registered as one. I regret voting for Biden. I’m complicit in the slaughter.
At least I voted for Democrats instead of staying home and crying about their lack of purity on my niche issues like a lot of smooth brained leftists did.
Too bad those Democrats didn't try to earn more votes, and too bad people like you are too busy making things up about strangers so you can scold them instead of going out and helping people.
Correct, a political party is supposed to earn votes. What I don't really get is why you're pretending to oppose fascism when, elsewhere in this thread, you proudly endorse the fascism committed by Israel and their IDF thugs.
Dems were the ones determined to run a senile old man before switching to an unpopular woman, who couldn't win her home states primary (in 2020) and wasn't picked by the voters in 2024. No amount of "help" is going to get that plane load of incompetence off the ground!
Also “you didn’t vote for us so now we’re just going to let our opponents do a coup and make useless speeches while everyone in the country is endangered, regardless of their voting history” is a truly evil response.
Why would I vote for party whose stance on LGBTQ and disabled rights has placed my life at risk tens of thousands of times? When someone almost commits manslaughter me for YEARS, they do not get my vote.
That doesn’t explain why the ones in office are justified in not doing even the bare minimum to do their jobs, which MY tax dollars still pay for. They’re hurting their supporters along with everyone else, which is Trump-level ignorance and petty revenge.
have you considered...
many of us taking issue with Dem inaction *did vote Blue?*
I did despite my disagreements, and as a voter base, our voices are now being silenced by the people who were supposed to do something for us.
of course we're mad. We voted them in and they aren't doing the work.
In a “lesser of two evils” situation the problem is that the evils get progressively more evil. As far as I can see you’d still have got there, just slower
"Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist[b] movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century which aimed to establish a national home for the Jewish people,"
No you can't, dipshit. But you're such a dumbfuck you think your slurs apply to everyone who supports Israel.
Even when I did campaign work for them, they were constantly undermining all of us who were doing the actual work. I'm tired of democrats like you feeling the need to shit on everyone else
We handed them the Presidency and both chambers of Congress in 2020.
You Democrats then let insurgency leaders walk free, increased police spending, ramped up fossil fuel production, threw the activists who handed you Georgia in prison on terror charges, and enacted a genocide.
For real. “I didn’t support my party, which eventually led them to losing in the race!! How can I trust them to keep winning without me so that I can performative lay protest things that aren’t true!?” (Remember folks, Biden established a ceasefire, Trump wants massive deportations out of Gaza.)
Well, they haven't, and now literal faschist are on their place. Or what, you thought if you don't vote for dems, a "third good party" will come?
There is a lesser evil and a bigger evil. You "punished" the lesser in favor of bigger.
This is what it boils down to. You've already decided you don't like us, and you've stated before that Dems should leave us behind even when they vote for them. Why? Why does who YOU dislike matter when the job of a politician is to represent ALL their constituents?
Yup. Idgaf how disappointed you are the at you can’t call him genocide Joe anymore, he did it. Shouldn’t you be, idk, celebrating that fact instead of gnashing your bleeding gums because you can’t politicize the genocide anymore?
We all told them just what, exactly, they needed to do in order to earn people's votes and win. It's not on us that they instead stuck their heads in the sand.
This helpless doormat routine is so tired. The whole point is that they CAN still do something and are, instead, ****choosing***** to do the easy thing, lie back and go "not my problem lol". It's deeply pathetic, and if you think it's ok so are you.
you'd love for people to waste their time explaining it to you for the hundredth time while you jerk off and sneer about how in your fantasy land actually nothing can be done ever so you can feel good about what a useless pile of garbage you are
If you want to give up, just fucking do it; you don't need my permission. Log off. Fuck off. I cannot overstate how the last thing anyone needs right now is you
I know you're doing this in bad faith, you're not actually looking for direction, and that you're only interested in capitulating to the right. But here's freebie: don't supply arms to a genocide.
Also that same president sent Saudi Arabia weapons to aid their genocide efforts as well, but you libs didn’t complain and instead supported it, hence why no one believes you have any values or spines at all
In fact, maybe just maybe if you hadn’t picked a senile segregationist as you savior or at least stood up to him at all when he was helping to slaughter civilians, maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation at all, but of course you can never be at fault for the choice you made
Regardless you libs got what you wanted, you’re getting the genocide Joe Biden helped start and Trump is gonna finish his work, you should be happy! Biden said he was a bipartisan president and he truly meant it!
If you want our votes and say you will fight for us, then actually fucking do it when the time comes. Otherwise, voters owe you fuck all when you work against us.
See how that works in the other direction, pookie?
The Dems worked against the people when they chose mass rape and murder over the people. They worked against the people by not helping their material conditions, and letting marginalized people’s rights be stripped, and abortion rights lost.
You mean like all the other times we helped them win and they reached across the aisle to do jackshit fuckall to better anyone’s lives or enshrine human rights into law? I guess not sending weapons to enable genocide is our “holier than thou horse” or whatever idiot thing you think you said
Okay. So where are the college protests? Why did they protest about Gaza under Biden, but seem like they can't be bothered now that an actual fascist who wants bulldoze all of Gaza? If people are supposedly still standing against genocide where exactly are they standing?
Literally at the Super Bowl. You must have been so deep in concentration looking for pro-Palestine protests under Trump that you seem to have overlooked the single most watched TV moment since the Moon Landing, which is understandably easy to do so I get it.
The media isn't covering ANY of the protests right now because they're all in bed with Trump. And y'all fucking liberals were constantly beating the shit out of college protesters when they were protesting Biden's genocide.
Dude, I'm not even USian and I *know* the protests are still ongoing *and* still being organized. Look at the replies, they provide you with evidence. Unless you want corporate media to spoonfed you, otherwise it doesn't exist eh?
This is such a bad, unoriginal take and I’m seeing it from all kinds of moderates. You’re all “just asking questions,” and it makes you sound Republican. You’re clearly implying that the college protests are some type of “virtue signaling” which is another common right wing attack towards the left
Oh no. Troy disagrees with my take. What ever will I fucking do? Look. This isn't difficult. Actually read what I said rather than inventing things you think I implied and then getting mad at those things. (Do you do that a lot?) You're clearly misrepresenting me and being pissy about it.
I'm not though. I'm not flailing. I'm fine. I'm not even upset. You can claim it's flailing. I could claim you're online because your real life sucks. But like you, I'd be pulling shit out of my ass if I said that. And if you didn't care, you'd stop responding. So you've lied at least twice there.
I do believe you are fine: I believe you have never cared about anyone not directly connected to you. You did whine about people calling you names though. Sorry, pumpkin, you deserve the insults
They are active and ongoing. That you haven't bothered to seek out information doesn't mean it's not there. The media just doesn't want to focus on them.
A lot of protesters got kicked out of school, or got beaten by cops. They had snipers training rifles on them. Lost their jobs. But you are more than welcome to help revitalize the protest movement if it is not as big as you want it to be.
You see that that is an entirely different claim and not what i responded to, right? Moreover, can you think of any other reason why activists are focusing on other issues right now? Most of the students who protested the genocide in Gaza are trying to stop genocide in the US, with 0 Dem support.
Man it's almost like the political party that was in charge for the last year and a half of protests spent that time cheering on police violence against protesters, firings, expulsions, etc. not to mention calling the protesters antisemites and Trump supporters
I guess we'll just have to take your word for it. And I'll do that, if your 'activists' will remember to vote for the Democratic nominee assuming we get another Presidential election. Apparently a bunch of you were too busy to do that in November and now here we are.
Democrats ran on the platform of collaborating with trump's party. Why would we believe they oppose them? They're not even doing it now. They're taking long weekends every week and actively trying to reach to the middle even under open fascists.
Jesus christ you're a buffoon. Totally unprepared for the moment in history you find yourself in, yelling at the wrong people, facing the wrong direction, waiting to get pushed off the edge.
You actually don't need to take my word for it, you disingenuous ass, empirical reality is ascertainable and truth isn't defined by rhetorical convenience. The attached results took 10 secs to Google. Care more about reality than dunks.
Calling names is a really dumb way to try to convince people you're right. But hey, you guys do you. You've done such a bang up job of saving the Palestinians so far, I'm sure your tactics are sound.
Go ahead and spend some more time beating up on a Democrat like me while Trump's in office.
it's really sad that the only thing that determines the worthiness of a cause to you is if it results in voting democrat or not and it's caused you to become extremely angry at people who are probably closer to your side than the other but not acting exactly as you want them to.
Our activists will remember if your party can be bothered to fight for everyone’s dignity and humanity and not humanity by means testing or based on if bigots might be offended. Get back to us.
Says the Jazz Dog. So what? I disagree with your weak assessment. But hey, go knock yourself out and start a nationwide political party that will take out the current President in less than four years. Let me know when you succeed.
TBH if the dems wanted a active and engaged student base against Trump, they probably shouldn't have spent so much political capital crushing student movements and ensuring that all of those protestors now have criminal records that Trump (or a dem) can use as a pretext for violence. Just a thought.
There’s still protests but the media has no interest in them because they are no long convenient prop to attack democrats with and instead would be something the republican administration would have to adress
Obviously as a Dem voter I’m gonna call out my own party for their bs. Why would I waste my time on the rethuglicans with whom I’ll never agree or consider voting for?
A: they're still going on
B: many stopped because Democrats had the kids brutalized and arrested
C: they were protesting the Democrats under the (sadly misguided and wrong) idea that they could convince the supposedly more reasonable and progressive party to listen and change policy.
(I protested, my university called the police on us. A cop lied and said I assaulted him. They tackled teenage girls. One girl got kicked in the head by a horse. My university turned itself into a police state, kicked out as many students protestors as they could, and let us face trial for bullshit
(Then they banned just about every style of protest they could imagine, including study ins. Despite all of that, the student movement continues. Students are still protesting however they can, and getting written up, suspended, and even arrested because of it.
(If you have to ask "what happened to campus protests" then you never cared about the student activists to begin with. It's very clear what happened, the Universities suppressed them wherever they could. despite that, the students are *still* protesting however they can.)
Both parties are not the same, but they have far more in common than you're willing to admit, and they're on the same side. Also, the differences they DO have are not ones the democrats really care about, quite demonstrably.
Oh please, you. are. an. American. Of COURSE your tax dollars have been used to explode kids into a fine mist & multiple other atrocities. It's why you get to sit on your phone, using up far more resources than you morally have the right to on this finite planet, & say ridiculous shit like this.
We're all culpable for all the shit our country does - you just picked the most visible one to scream about because you're lazy, and now you've fucked us all over, including all the work people do in the real world and not on social media to try to right some of the wrongs. Congratufuckinglations.
USA is the biggest supporter of terrorism and oppression in the world. propping up right wing regimes across the globe. trump is obviously bad but these guys even inadvertently stripping the US govt of its ability to project force around the world... well can't complain
We watched them back away from Gaza to keep their AIPAC money flowing. We watched them back away from trans people, saying *human rights* was a losing battle. Now, fully aware that we're trapped in a two party system, one of whom is Nazis, we're stuck shopping for real leadership.
1. This is not a response to what they said. Try again.
2. Which genocides does the left embrace? Be specific.
3. Interesting of you to admit that you, as a liberal, are not politically left. Bet you didn't intend to.
4. Biden, your party's president, assisted that genocide.
You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts, hun. This kind of shit is why nobody on either side of the political spectrum wants to be on your team: all you offer is condescension and insults, and, surprisingly, most people don't find those compelling.
mm no it's not actually possible to compromise in elections, that's not voting works
You're the only one here I see on a high horse. Either it's wrong when you do it, or it's not wrong when they do it, or your moral code is "whatever Josh believes is right," in which case your judgment is nothing.
There is no compromising on genocide if you support human rights and oppose fascism. Also, I have more experience with "real world politics" than you ever will
Hear that. BUT--don't conflate disagreement with tactics/strategy with "silence." Plenty were not silent, but also felt that depressing democratic turnout (which was the unintentional & intentional aim of many Gaza protestors) to ensure Trump's victory was also profoundly toxically myopic.
Well, that's not how it works. All the information about the two candidates was there. At the end of the day, it's up to the voters to make an informed decision based on the binary choice. Those that sat out, those that encouraged sitting out, those that voted 3rd party--they're responsible.
It is how it works, parties and candidates are not owed votes, they have to earn them, the Dems chose not to earn them. Free choice in voting, also comes with the choice to not vote. People saw that either party was rightfully crap, and sat out.
Bitch please. Days before the election harris was running 2 different ads, one pro izzy, one pro paly, depending on demographics. So which of the 2 opposite stances should be believe and use to make our decision? Cuz all i saw was another liar who cant be trusted.
C'mon now. The Gazans polled wanted Harris to win. Every country except Russia, Hungary and North Korea wanted Harris to win. This wasn't rocket science, don't pretend like it was.
I'm not questioning their (and my) want of helping those children. I'm questioning the strategy of installing Trump as the solution. Yes--utter myopia and catastrophically wrong-headed.
“Stop funding genocide” would have done nothing to help him get elected. If you think the proto-online would’ve outnumbered the angry Jewish population, you’re kidding yourself. A wash at best.
Biden & the Democrats never have any plan that’s not “how do I cling to power as long as I can”.
Reverse this. If you couldn't stand up for Democracy in the election of 2024 how can people be expected to support you? With the election of the coup makers you folks killed all hope for Gaza at this time. Stop lecturing people for your sins.
we know what they will do, they did it for 15 months. but there's nowhere to force them out to. Egypt is no more willing to act as a jailer for two million Palestinians than they were when Biden tried it a year ago
It's wild that you're twisting yourself in knots like this to argue that "opposing genocide" is a "sin". You did not stand up for democracy if you told your candidates that supporting a fascist genocide was not a red line for you
(Getting so sick of people blaming third party voters for not wanting their elected leaders to be okay with genocide, police militarization, aggressive anti-immigrant policies. Even if it was the "lesser" genocide, police militarization, and aggressive anti-immigrant policies.)
It's not just the 3rd party voters, they are blaming the people who they blindly believed would vote dem for no other reason than Trump would be worse. Ignore the genocide he will be worse is not what you get off your arse to vote for. We are now seeing exactly how useless they are - no fight at all
On that note, I wonder how many people who would have voted blue down ballot instead stayed home because liberals spent eight years convincing them that if they voted for a third party presidential candidate their ballots were worthless?
(I will never stop telling liberals that if they actually want people to vote they need to *encourage* third party voting. The "wasted vote" narrative discourages people that are neither Dems nor Repubs. But they don't care, they just want the blue team to have the football)
I mean, I’m pretty sure he supported voting FOR genocide support as a “lesser evil” but I would love to learn that wasn’t the case, if it wasn’t the case.
Dear progressives and any one else who attacked the Dems, THIS IS ALL YOUR FUCKING FAULT. YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE SO EDGY AND STAB YOUR ALLIES IN THE BACK. FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIVES, OWN UP TO YOUR FUCK UPS.
I'm curious to see how they're going to categorize Trump's plans for Gaza. I seem to recall one person advocating for a ceasefire and two state solution and the other saying Netanyahu "needed to finish the job".
Sending billions of dollars to the "child-killing army" that runs your aparthied state is actually not an indicator of wanting a solution that isn't the "final solution".
If they aren't fascists, they're certainly ok with fascism, or else they would actually resist the Republicans right now instead of the shit they're doing
Its not "all their fault", though it is partially their fault. I mean, trump would have a much harder time advocating to ethnically cleanse the gaza strip of it wasn't destroyed with full democrat support, for one.
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You want leadership, don’t you?
therefore bringing them up is a waste of pixels.
so fuck you anti semites
And now Trump, who is eager to kill off the rest of the Palestinians for Bibi and Gaza-A-Lago.
Tl;dr: small group of oligarchs going maskoff
Drilling down to individual actors tells you more about what shapes specific policies. But insiders fundamentally undermined US long-term strategy
Follow the money or whatever. Trump is dumb and extra corrupt tho, I don't understand why europe didn't just outspend Russia/Israel. Unless they're somehow shocked? Or russia has leverage
It’s as important to people as climate change, even in the polls that said it was not a “top issue.”
Also smugly telling people at the 20th decile income, working multiple jobs, that they’re stupid to be mad at the economy.
The most bluesky opinion there is
I want to draw some kind of political comic, but there aren't words for it all. It's a stunned silence, and it feels like that's by design.
And even then... it's hard to tell if what you say, it's hard to know how it'll be received, or if it helps.
And regarding Israel's response. What should they have done?
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It has been like this for ever.
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I no longer consider myself a Democrat even though I am still registered as one. I regret voting for Biden. I’m complicit in the slaughter.
Best thing for Democrats to do is cut the dead weight of the Left.
Hope this helps.
many of us taking issue with Dem inaction *did vote Blue?*
I did despite my disagreements, and as a voter base, our voices are now being silenced by the people who were supposed to do something for us.
of course we're mad. We voted them in and they aren't doing the work.
Like yeah, that's what I want to hear! Vote Democratic, MURDERDEATHKILL!
No you can't, dipshit. But you're such a dumbfuck you think your slurs apply to everyone who supports Israel.
And they immediately went back on basically everything they could actually get done.
So… why should we have believed them?
You Democrats then let insurgency leaders walk free, increased police spending, ramped up fossil fuel production, threw the activists who handed you Georgia in prison on terror charges, and enacted a genocide.
Fuck you.
There is a lesser evil and a bigger evil. You "punished" the lesser in favor of bigger.
See you in The Hague
not happening!
🇮🇱 From the River to the Sea 🇮🇱
Dems hate accountability almost as much as Reps is2g
Kamala Harris choose not to listen
If you want our votes and say you will fight for us, then actually fucking do it when the time comes. Otherwise, voters owe you fuck all when you work against us.
See how that works in the other direction, pookie?
pick one, they're going to get critique either way.
but speaking about bulldozers, have you heard of rachel corrie, jack?
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Go ahead and spend some more time beating up on a Democrat like me while Trump's in office.
B: many stopped because Democrats had the kids brutalized and arrested
C: they were protesting the Democrats under the (sadly misguided and wrong) idea that they could convince the supposedly more reasonable and progressive party to listen and change policy.
You're looking at a sticky note that says "Republicans are worse than the Democrats"
How will the U.S.’s conversion to autocracy help ANY oppressed peoples?
Have you all learned NOTHING from this past month?
Hate this for us
Democracy is finished here - I think we've watched the Dems squander any ability to stop it.
Organize with unions, years of experience.power in numbers, power in people
I hear the quad at Columbia is open.
Stop acting like a subject. You're a citizen. You owe your politicians nothing, and they owe you their entire careers.
You know, like, real genocide.
2. Which genocides does the left embrace? Be specific.
3. Interesting of you to admit that you, as a liberal, are not politically left. Bet you didn't intend to.
4. Biden, your party's president, assisted that genocide.
I'm sure it'll work next time tho.
You're the only one here I see on a high horse. Either it's wrong when you do it, or it's not wrong when they do it, or your moral code is "whatever Josh believes is right," in which case your judgment is nothing.
if you want the votes of a group CHANGE YOUR FUCKING POSITION.
it's literally that simple.
Myopic...
Absolute joke
Biden & the Democrats never have any plan that’s not “how do I cling to power as long as I can”.
"hope" is not working. Did you try thoughts, prayers?
Biden supported his genocide all his 15 months.
But hey, it's all the Dems fault!
Think harder, please I'm begging you.
Like I said folks: they're only mad that Hamas is losing the war crime competition. Not the war crimes themselves.
From the River to the Sea, may this 🇮🇱 be the only Flag you ever see.
The fact that you even think the Democrats were fascists shows that your Internet usage needs to be limited.
You say that as if Hamas didn't literally kill children in every attack they've ever done. It's also of note that the vp can't sell anyone arms.
Hamas didn't blow up hospitals, schools, mosques, and refugee camps.
They blew up tanks and shot soldiers, they would even record themselves doing so.
The IDF (even before Oct 7 mind you) would shoot and kill children and claim they had bombs on them.