When the same group of 5 to 10 people end up doing all the work, for no pay, to fix all the problems, while getting crapped on by everyone else they‘ll figure out pretty quickly why we have governments snd public service.
It is wild how often bears become a massive problem in libertarian city projects. But like, its just kinda what happens when you don't think you need trash collection, and these fucks never think they need trash collection for some reason.
Here's a thing I'm not understanding: they want "freedom cities" but also want the federal government to provide them the land?
They don't see the contradiction?
Here's hoping the bears on the western slope of Colorado take care of these dimwits. They build empires sucking the government tits dry
Then they have the nerve to say "we don't want your regulation."
Maybe they'll go all in on consensual cannibalism...and the bears eat the rest. Billionaires shouldn't exist.
Why does it seem to be, that the people most likely to start these things, are the least likely to make them work, successfully?
It's almost like the kind of civic duty inclination, needed to make a libertarian paradise, normally gravitates to other forms of government...
I was once surrounded by bears! San Francisco for my 30th birthday and it was the international bear round up and those big fuzzy boys were everywhere. 🤩
This is like so much worse than Sovereign citizens. But one thing I wonder about it is who do they think is going to do the stuff like taking out the trash and cleaning the streets and even cooking their food?
Maybe the bears? I mean they’d have to get some of those weird beard nets that Sluggo had to wear for their whole bodies for cooking but they’ve got trash and streets covered
Or they might be delusional enough to think they might be able to find enough Lower Class People to just treat like slaves who would just be happy to work for their Tech overlords
Oh it definitely won’t. Not even a little. Like being the husband of a woman who gets “chosen” as a bride of the cult leader, the lowest rung on the ladder even after the super-intense racist guy who shovels out the outhouses
I've been trying to convince my friend to move to NH and that we have libertarians that he'd fit right in with. I just haven't told him that the libertarians are bears now.
Also, too - weren't they all going to set up big man made islands and barges and shit a few years ago? What happened to that? They could have all gone to live there.
If you don’t follow Jenny Cohn, check her out. She’s been writing about these freedom cities for quite some time. One of their proposed locations as the Presidio, which Trump, of course gutted of funding. Coincidental? Highly unlikely.
After reading this I’m left thinking we were robbed of a Bioshock sequel because “Bioshock but with bears” sounds amazing… well as a game, that all sounded awful to actually deal and put up with.
If federal laws don’t apply and they aren’t paying taxes then they shouldn’t be allowed to vote if they’re living there. No taxes, no vote. Let them all live in their stupid purge cities and not pay taxes but they get none of the benefits paid for by taxes. No freeloaders.
tbh it wasn't the libertarians doing this that were the most hurt by it. they basically destroyed the local government of a small town with already limited amenities and social services and then abandoned the many poor, elderly, and disabled inhabitants after ruining their lives
Stick them all in the middle of the desert in Arizona and Utah. Plenty of space there. Let them pretend it’s burning man all the time. Let all the broligarchs stay there and leave the rest of society alone.
well that's the thing, the libertarians chose Grafton/New Hampshire in general because it's very rural and very anti government. they came here very specifically because it was so isolated. no matter where they go, there will always be people living there already not supporting their goals/beliefs
no they can literally do Burning Man all year long, the other poster is right. there are stretches of completely bare desert. They want to be self made? Free of infrastructure or rules? There's your sand, good luck to ya
Like the people who feed deers and then suddenly they migrate all over neighborhoods and increase accidents because whole herds learn that free food happens here. But its never the asshole's fault that wanted a temporary pet bambi without the responsibility or consequences attached to it.
it's a 30 min drive for me but it's on the way to the closest planned parenthood by about 2 hours, so I know it well. it was creepy reading that book and recognizing so many of the landmarks and places and the general vibe of everything
obviously we should not keep bears as pets but if i had the opportunity to travel back in time and pet Winnie at the London Zoo i would do so without question or hesitation
actually they often attacked old and disabled people who already lived there before the Free Town project started. in the book, there's one life long inhabitant who became disabled in old age and was rendered completely unable to get her mail, let alone leave her house for fear of the bears
that is obviously terrible and i was obviously making a joke in reference to the tech bros trying to form their own cities. i hope i don't have to clarify this but i obviously do not think bears attacking old and disabled people is good.
oh no you're all good. it's just a fucked up detail that often gets left out and when this story makes the rounds online. and also nobody ever mentions the people deliberately feeding the bears off of their porches??? the entire story is so much weirder than one would expect
Honestly when I saw the the post you're quoting earlier today the first thing that came to mind was that town that got overrun with bears. To be honest though I have a feeling much worse stuff may happen if they try to make cities without federal regulations (like really heinous crimes kinda stuff).
anarchism: lovely, community based, members of community fill necessary roles and negotiate things between themselves, no boss or leader necessary.
libertarianis: survival of the fittest. The bears are fittest.
You know it's a book about libertarians without even mentioning it because they pretty much say "Oh yeah, he's a convicted pedophile" in the first chapter.
One of my proudest moments online was being one of the first posts in a Fark thread on the Autonomous Zone collapse, and I said something like, "Another Libertarian paradise falls into ruin," which completely shifted the conversation over to everyone mocking Libertarians.
What are you on about? East Bay has random pumas and bobcats run through all the time. There's even a whole website dedicated to preserving the specific breed of coyote in the region.
The Grizzlies are only not this far south because their food ain't around. They largely feed on salmon and berries.
Oh forgot about the diamondbacks on the shore of Lake Folsom. Can't forget the local venom demon population.
Maybe we should just make them go live in the part of Truckee that ends up with a plague outbreak every summer? That might be useful from what I understand our antibiotics aren't working as
Knowing what I know about Bay Area transplants:
-most can't handle a weapon
-they don't understand wildlife feeding patterns
-they don't understand wildlife social dynamics
Deregulate hard enough and the wolves in the sanctuaries may also become loose. Godspeed to all if they do.
truuuuue — iirc from what i’ve heard about the difference between bears and large cats is bears are more likely to kinda sit there like “what are you gonna do about it” while cougars etc may back off
The pumas here are literally starving they do not CARE. Why do you think they're running through town in the first place? My friend in Davis just had one sitting in front of her front porch overnight when she'd been there not even 5min prior last month. They do not CARE, they're CATS.
Of course they're going to rely on federal, state, and county services the moment something happens. Flood? HELP US! Wildfires? HELP! Roads inevitably degrade after like a year? HELP!
Ah my state, the Mississippi of New England. The Freestate Project is an object lesson in why rightwing libertarians are almost always idiots. They also took advantage of a snowstorm to scrap the school budget for the town of Croyden.
That's crazy, we'll end up like those dystopian sci-fi stories where there are pockets of ultra wealthy and everything else is just shit. Hunger Games anyone?
With the other big piece of the republican coalition evangelical “Christians”, I’m thinking there must be some internal conflict on if they’re trying for original bioshock or infinite.
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They don't see the contradiction?
Here's hoping the bears on the western slope of Colorado take care of these dimwits. They build empires sucking the government tits dry
Maybe they'll go all in on consensual cannibalism...and the bears eat the rest. Billionaires shouldn't exist.
It's almost like the kind of civic duty inclination, needed to make a libertarian paradise, normally gravitates to other forms of government...
"Some people just “don’t get the responsibility side of being libertarians,”"
https://www.texasobserver.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-freest-little-city-in-texas/
Bears watching!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-02-13/a-honduras-dream-city-now-faces-11-billion-political-dispute
"“the libertarians were operating under vampire rules—the invitation to enter, once offered, could not be rescinded.”"
Everybody knows people in that book
/joke
libertarianis: survival of the fittest. The bears are fittest.
If the bay had bears it would be a better place
The Grizzlies are only not this far south because their food ain't around. They largely feed on salmon and berries.
Or that time a cat I was feeding outside disappeared cause he got sick of fighting the raccoons for it...
Sacramento's river rats are nothing to sniff at either tbh they're bigger than most cats...
Maybe we should just make them go live in the part of Truckee that ends up with a plague outbreak every summer? That might be useful from what I understand our antibiotics aren't working as
(Riffing on this article for context)
-most can't handle a weapon
-they don't understand wildlife feeding patterns
-they don't understand wildlife social dynamics
Deregulate hard enough and the wolves in the sanctuaries may also become loose. Godspeed to all if they do.
The pumas here are literally starving they do not CARE. Why do you think they're running through town in the first place? My friend in Davis just had one sitting in front of her front porch overnight when she'd been there not even 5min prior last month. They do not CARE, they're CATS.
(We could instead just study actual history in history class...)
But seriously, though… Every.Time. 🤦♀️