Scientists have already investigated this. The result? The doctor pushing this junk science had his license revoked for spreading deadly lies about vaccines.
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"Scientists have found a strong genetic link to the complex disorder, with many risk factors occurring before birth..." Reminds me of the time Henry VIII beheaded those women for not providing him a male heir, then we found out males are largely responsible for determining sex, lol. Good times.
WaPo doesn't seem to have a recent article about this,
and the NYTimes article doesn't accept comments, but does at least refer to the "discredited" link between them.
In recent years, most kids come out as gay AFTER the HPV vax. More kids come out than in prev generations. Coincidence?
Yes. None of that is related to the HPV vax, of course. Most people come out after the onset of puberty; HPV vax is 11-12. More people come out in supportive environments.
Similarly, some autistic traits appear around the age of measles vaccination, which is 1-1.5 and 4-6. And more ppl are diagnosed autistic than in previous generations. But that doesn't mean autism comes from the measles vaccine any more than the HPV vaccine makes you gay.
What we're likely seeing with autistic people is generations of underreporting slowly being corrected, similarly to how there were "so many more lefties all of a sudden" once children stopped being punished for left-handedness.
I.e., they always existed but could not be counted.
The venerable UCSF Center has a research department devoted to autism and if the research scientists had discovered a link we would have heard about it long ago. 👇
TRUMP AND RFK ARE BOTH SIMPLE MORON FOOLS -- men who are too ignorant, arrogant, ideological, narcissistic to ever learn. But RFK is typical of ALL of Trump's totally unqualified cronies whom he's appointing to destroy our excellent USA Gov.- for their own power-mongering and greed; and for Putin's.
Slight correction: he had his license revoked for pushing junk science *and* using his junk science and the ensuing mass panic about mmr to try to enrich himself by creating a company that would offer the alternate vaccines.
He had a shit patent for a vaccine that targeted measles only, which is what he blamed for causing autism.
He was trying to hawk it and these tests that would “prove” his doctored data. They never found measles in the guts of the kids, despite desperately searching. (Source: Brian Deer)
Couple of decades ago too.
Your 🍊💩 Pres-Elect really needs to brush up on his general knowledge, never mind current world affairs.
But that’ll never happen. 🤬
@hcrichardson.bsky.social This doc is about a year old but many have missed it. The full story of why we need to avoid appointing RFK Jr at all costs. https://www.pbs.org/show/shot-in-the-arm/
They're going to keep looking anyway until they find something - anything - to confirm their bias. They will hold that one thing up as gospel and demand all fall into line before it, no matter how divorced it is from reality.
They will *kill us all* before they admit they made a mistake.
It's not exaggerating to say he's a crazy person. The name and now the title will make people hesitant to believe that but it's been true for a long time. I started disregarding his opinion over 10 years ago because of the MMR vaccine stuff, and it's only gotten worse since.
Can we fuckin restore the principle of good common sense? Doctors and scientists can talk about science, not jfk. He probably will dismantle or censor scientific evidence of any sort. It is an operation of censorship.
There are a lot of silly correlations about.
There are loads of potential causes of autism.
#vaccines have been researched a lot.
No evidence of causality.
#RFK could look at organic food and autism..... silly...
And wasn't he doing it so he could push a different vaccine delivery method that he had a financial stake in? So he wasn't even anti vaccine, just anti giving them all at once because he stood to make more money?
Let's just take all the money out of our wallets and burn it. We are in a new superstitious age where the science is dismissed but magic stones are real. Where some think that the price of eggs is to high so they vote for a guy who vows to deport them.
wakefeild's bullshit returns to public life again i see. if subjecting autistic children to brutal sometimes lives ruining experiments didn't get the results to support his claims, but then autism is passed down in from the parents not from a vaccine
How many fucking times do people have to say it, there is no fucking link between the two. For fuck sakes why are they so hellbent for vaccines, of all things to explain autism and refuse to accept that it's something humans are fucking born with.
Some for money and some because being born with it acknowledges a genetic link. That’s hard for some parents. I know someone who thinks she has autism herself but believes her child’s autism is due to vaccines.
I’ve got two moderately autistic kids. My wife doesn’t think she’s on the spectrum either (but is), and her father and grandparents were all mathematicians and skilled programers. Mmmmm. 🤔
It was already debunked, but I bet these idiots will say it is all true and scare the crap out of ignorant parents who will abstain from vaccinating their children thus “thinning the herd.”
The Nazis were actually pro-science. They understood the value of science and engineering. Horrible people, but they got that part right. We've got all the bad parts of Nazism and anti-science too.
Eh…sort of. The Nazis were technically pro-science but a lot of their results were useless because they didn’t really iterate on anything and many of their “experiments” didn’t really have a goal or plan involved.
Like, they had a bunch of hypothermia “experiments” which aren’t useful
because the whole method was to just kill a bunch of people from hypothermia to see the process…and the process was already well known and they didn’t get anything new out of it.
A *lot* of Nazi scientists were absolute quacks who just liked that they could murder people with impunity.
Their rocket engineers mostly knew what they were doing, but the instant you move out of that space, you get a *lot* of really bizarre pseudoscience and a lot of stuff attempting to prove eugenics that isn’t based in real science at all.
Good point. I think their "scientists" were just so EXCITED to be able to work on human subjects that they threw any idea of results out the window. They were having too much FUN.
Werner Heisenberg was a reasonably accomplished quantum physicist, and the people who worked under him were almost as good. Had Heisenberg wanted the Nazis to have the bomb before the Americans got it, the Nazis would have had the bomb.
How many times do we have to debunk it. My adult son was morn with profound Autism. He never had one single vaccine before I knew something is terribly wrong. I had four child, so I like to think I’m pretty astute at understanding child development.
The British doctor (Wakeley) who started this lie was stripped of his right to practice medicine and fled to the US. BTW, he had developed a rival MMR vaccine which he’d hoped to sell to the NHS and make himself rich. His vaccine was found to be useless.
I wish I could credit the person who drew this but I saved it long ago & lost the source. Absolutely not taking credit.
(My kids were born when Wakefield's scare about MMR was at its height, Denmark swung it for me: they switched to it overnight. Zero change to anything MMR was claimed to impact.)
I read about that study for a science education masters class. We discussed how it was flawed, how it couldn't be repeated, and how to teach to deter students from that kind of misinformation.
Oh and this was in 2011, where this shit had already been known for decades.
Always remember when you're kicked onto the curb and denied your basic rights that they have money for stupid shit like that but not for the actual multicrisis that's already killing people
Trump says Musk will investigate where the sun goes at night when it disappears from the sky. "I suspect the Deep State is hiding it from us. We should have daylight 24/7!"
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and he was also doing it to push an alternative vaccine instead of the combined MMR vaccine
Originally his claims were only about that one, since he stood to gain money from selling one
I thought I remembered something about an alternative vaccine, didn't post it because the sources I found in a quick search only mentioned the test kits. Didn't want to just rely on my memory, even if it is still pretty good. It's just scams all the way down, isn't it?
he also did experiments on autistic children to try to find a claim he could use to sell his 'invention'. experiments like having them held down and shoving tubes and cameras up their anuses for no medically necessary reason. one child ended up with a torn colon
I don't they need to find evidence of any causal link between vaccines and anything. All they need to do is to spread suspicion and increase the numbers of people who skip crucial vaccines. Official studies, even if they fail, will have this impact. Why does this serve right wing interests?
That suggests that the main right wing political impulses are libertarian, or, rather, a kind of nihilistic libertarian. This isn't the old right that mostly wanted markets to dominate. it's more malicious.
Not specifically/exclusively. There were more than 30 charges with a whole laundry list of incidents, including taking unnecessary blood samples (for cash) (for his fake study) at a child’s birthday party.
Indeed. He was literally hired for almost half a million dollars to conduct the study, knowing in advance that it was unfounded, in order to serve as evidence AHEAD OF a trumped up (pun intended) lawsuit a shady lawyer wanted to bring against a vaccine company.
This IN CONJUNCTION with an alternate vaccine he was producing. He explicitly lied to parents about the study, about their children’s results, how the results would be used, etc.
I don't think he can for anything he does as a cabinet member. Courts can try to block his actions, but unless there's something like getting caught receiving bags of money, he's going to be pretty safe.
By “investigate” they mean that they will install people who will go along with the anti-vax narrative, fire those that won’t (see schedule F) and profits for sham alternatives will skyrocket.
Oh, and lots and lots of kids will die. But, that’s a cost Trump and RFK Jr. are willing to spend.
Well,if he’s REALLY gonna investigate he’s gonna be pretty busy trying to read the 27 different immunology and infectious disease textbooks plus hundred of journal articles he’ll need to master an even basic understanding of the science showing he’s full of crap so there’s that positive development
Yet people still believe it and the kids he put through the experiments for his bunk had ISSUES to boot. Honestly he should be put in jail for child abuse.
They're also going to have to find a new boogeyman in the vaccine itself, since thimerosal was removed just out of an abundance of caution. Can't begin to imagine what hokum they'll have to come up with.
yes by all means have a biased anti vacciner and former? (who knows) former heroin addict investigate the science!! WTF tighten up your seatbelts people it's gonna get bumpy up in here!
Just because the no-longer-a-doctor who pushed this theory was a grifter doesn't mean it's wrong, which is why they've already done additional studies.
Which also showed there's no association between vaccines & autism spectrum disorders.
I mean, it's wrong because he made it up. If I had enough money I could start pushing the idea that eating Cheez-its has a link to autism, and if I convinced enough people of this does that mean we need a study?
Wakefield is indefensible. He lost his license over forging data for his grift. People can claim it's possible to forge data & accidentally come to the correct conclusion & then the medical community has to clean up the mess & run valid studies.
Oh I know, I'm just annoyed at how often bullshit artists make shit up and then it forces everyone to have to prove them wrong over and over again when they made the whole thing up to begin with.
When I begged people to talk about us when talking about anti vax it was because I fucking knew this was coming. Anti vax is autistic eugenics. Eugenicists have not forgotten that even if the public has. https://bsky.app/profile/tsgoggles.bsky.social/post/3laulppovts2b
Also to anyone who thinks grifters are just "annoying" and con men are just lowlifes you don't need to pay much attention to: An alt-right grifter created the modern anti vax on the backs of autistic children he **tortured** and their abusive hateful parents, and has made our lives hell ever since.
Disgustingly it's actually worse. Not all of them were autistic, and not all of their parents were hateful, or even implied the symptoms coincided with the vaccine. he lied so much it is almost as revolting as the TORTURE that he did do to those children.
People who don’t understand how Science works love to advertise the fact. RFK jr is a lawyer with no medical training and at least one hole in his brain which was eaten out by a tapeworm larva. In other words, the perfect choice for a tRump cabinet post involving health and medicine.
He can waste resources if he wants to but under one condition:
All MAGA believers and sycophants in Congress and his administration (including Trump) have to swear in blood that they will force they and their families will not get vaccinated. I am fine with that. It will cull the herd.
The fear and guilt about autism being used to get parents to fail to protect their children's health...also nearly impossible to dislodge being based in fear and guilt...?
Unfortunately, that money hungry asshole still goes around the world peddling his bullshit.
And he targets vulnerable groups that aren't as medically literate.
He went after Somali refugees in MN not too long ago, and within a year there was an outbreak of measles.
Hey guys I think I know the cause of autism, and it's listening to RFK. Someone should investigate this, and we should treat it as fact until I am convinced otherwise
I mean, that's almost the problem, right? Iirc he was lauded by this crew after losing his license because he "got too close" and they made him go away. You absolutely can't win with logic or sensibility at all, and it's absolutely terrifying.
Yet another example of “the first lie wins”. A fraudster, positioning himself to gain tens of millions of dollars a year, creates a lie and because people are desperate to see a
government conspiracy, they ignore all the evidence. The simplest and most plausible explanation-Wakefield is a greedy
Was really, really hoping he was too caught up in his greed and authoritarianism to actually follow through on empowering the science skeptics... I guess there's plenty of tweeting time in a day
RFK Jr is a menace to this country. This issue has been investigated to death. But Hey, great job for effing around and feeling really important for the next four years.
Excuse me!?😠 I have autism and you’re comparing that to vaccines!? I am tired of you Trump, and your ignorance, your lies and your politics, and your supreme arrogance! #fuckyoutrump
My son was born in 1995. Diagnosed autistic around all this nonsense. This was all debunked. I did the research. As a parent you always worry you did something wrong. I didn’t. It’s just a thing and he’s almost 30 and thriving. Can’t believe he’s bringing all this shit back.
I understand/respect what you did + appreciate you're limited by characters; however, please try to avoid using "I did the research." Academic physicians + scientists did the research, which you presumably read/reviewed post-peer reviewed pub. An important distinction, esp wrt this topic.
Whats funny about the wakefield study is it doesnt actually find any link between vaccines and autism and says as much. He made the link in interviews and press conferences afterwards
Comparisson:
The junk science this was based on: 12 children (hand picked)
The science that have debunked it: many studies with in the end over 3 million children subjects.
Your regular reminder that not only did the ONLY study to ever IMPLY (not conclude, or suggest, or prove)a link between Vaccines (Specifically MMR) and Autism get debunked so hard the man who did it is no longer a doctor, but every study since, including those funded by anti-vaxxers, have refuted it
Nothing exists outside of this idiot’s tiny mind. If he doesn’t think of it, it doesn’t matter. And when he does think of it, he wants someone to call him genius and give him a cookie.
Most of what the new US administration is promising (read: threatening) doesn’t much worry me as I’m a Canadian currently living in Costa Rica. I’ve been warming my hands over the dumpster fire that is the end of the American century for a while now. But this? This is madness! This crosses borders.
There's even real research that uses just the extent literature, but it requires 1) following a protocol that does not allow tossing out studies because one doesn't like what they say and 2) critically appraising the studies to check their methodology. It's a lot more work than watching a YouTube.
I wonder how many of these same folks are unquestioningly hitting themselves with a pen full of weight loss drugs every week. If you can cherry pick the Bible and you damn sure can cherry pick science right.
What a waste of taxpayer money! All those performative GOP investigations are the only real “governing” Repugs know how to do. Why do people keep re-electing them?
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However…consider it from the angle of who gets so sue who….
Whole different ball game…
I hate it here!
and the NYTimes article doesn't accept comments, but does at least refer to the "discredited" link between them.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/
Yes. None of that is related to the HPV vax, of course. Most people come out after the onset of puberty; HPV vax is 11-12. More people come out in supportive environments.
I.e., they always existed but could not be counted.
https://autism.ucsf.edu/research
Either way, yeah it's been researched, we do know
He was trying to hawk it and these tests that would “prove” his doctored data. They never found measles in the guts of the kids, despite desperately searching. (Source: Brian Deer)
Your 🍊💩 Pres-Elect really needs to brush up on his general knowledge, never mind current world affairs.
But that’ll never happen. 🤬
https://youtu.be/-t2O3MHTRNM?si=CWPr0UNVdRhsaQAq
They will *kill us all* before they admit they made a mistake.
There are loads of potential causes of autism.
#vaccines have been researched a lot.
No evidence of causality.
#RFK could look at organic food and autism..... silly...
The same way, I'd argue Cabinet picks who have weak skills, knowledge and judgment are only adding to government inefficiency and should be cut.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/finetoattack/
"GED" does not equal "grifter" or "stupid."
https://publicleadershipinstitute.org/2022/09/07/the-three-pillars-of-fascism/
Like, they had a bunch of hypothermia “experiments” which aren’t useful
A *lot* of Nazi scientists were absolute quacks who just liked that they could murder people with impunity.
https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc?si=8hIKKuTFEdqiTZRa
(My kids were born when Wakefield's scare about MMR was at its height, Denmark swung it for me: they switched to it overnight. Zero change to anything MMR was claimed to impact.)
And @zachweinersmith.bsky.social I get a chance to credit you. Please let me know if you'd prefer me to pull the post
His family lobotomized his aunt
Wtf
It's like they're playing house and choosing jobs they'd like
Oh and this was in 2011, where this shit had already been known for decades.
Vaccines don't cause autism.
(where "right" = attention-getting and somehow politically advantageous)
After science has done years of studies for years on it. Lol
Their base doesn’t want to be vaccinated
So they will once again find the votes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc
Originally his claims were only about that one, since he stood to gain money from selling one
https://youtu.be/gRiDgasJDNs?si=sXDChynaLALQ_nwV
Utter bollocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Pj368vuRw
Oh, and lots and lots of kids will die. But, that’s a cost Trump and RFK Jr. are willing to spend.
But stupid trumps honest
Which also showed there's no association between vaccines & autism spectrum disorders.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
What I'm saying is they've already done that.
https://bsky.app/profile/tsgoggles.bsky.social/post/3laulppovts2b
All MAGA believers and sycophants in Congress and his administration (including Trump) have to swear in blood that they will force they and their families will not get vaccinated. I am fine with that. It will cull the herd.
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And he targets vulnerable groups that aren't as medically literate.
He went after Somali refugees in MN not too long ago, and within a year there was an outbreak of measles.
That's just willfully ignoring evidence that doesn't agree with his conclusion.
Unsurprising, sadly.
government conspiracy, they ignore all the evidence. The simplest and most plausible explanation-Wakefield is a greedy
The world may never know.
The junk science this was based on: 12 children (hand picked)
The science that have debunked it: many studies with in the end over 3 million children subjects.
He is basically a toddler.