it's funny how for all of this there's never any "centrists should have to apologize for all the racism, the anti-immigration policy, the throwing trans people under the bus, the islamophobia, etc". an alliance where the left says they suck and stop criticizing and the center does (??????) - ThreadSky

spacetwinks.bsky.social • 20 days ago

it's funny how for all of this there's never any "centrists should have to apologize for all the racism, the anti-immigration policy, the throwing trans people under the bus, the islamophobia, etc".

an alliance where the left says they suck and stop criticizing and the center does (??????)

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lizcrash.bsky.social•20 days ago

number 6 is wild. “and last but not least: everyone who formerly failed to support us must do penance.”

gooberzilla.bsky.social•20 days ago

I'm going to apologize for a goddamned thing to anyone who argues that we need to accept genocide and be more awful to immigrants and trans people. Fuck that noise.

gooberzilla.bsky.social•20 days ago

*NOT going to apologize. Typo.

angelalys.bsky.social•20 days ago

🐇Honestly losing my shit daily because leftlibs will enable and at most politely disagree with major rights being taken away from me while fucking hounding me for any sound I make in response

adalore.bsky.social•20 days ago

They will never come to terms with the failures of the democratic party, goddamn. And of course the classic "The left is powerful enough to politically blow things up but not powerful enough to be listened to" contradiction that is always present in lib posting like this.

paragon12321.bsky.social•20 days ago

Imagine an OG, circa 2009, teabags-on-their-hat, Tea Partier demanding people on the street apologize for not voting for John McCain.

freecialis.bsky.social•20 days ago

it is honestly really funny to write
UNITY PLAN: Everyone apologizes to me and tells me I was right

fritzby.bsky.social•20 days ago

It is a Good Bit

funmustbealways.bsky.social•20 days ago

From the people who screech about the left doing “purity tests” nonetheless

tonygarsow.bsky.social•20 days ago

oh he deleted it lol

randomjeweler.bsky.social•20 days ago

6 is pretty intense. What if they just didn't hear a message they liked or had too many barriers to voting? With right wingers we say to be happy they're here now.

tubbles.bsky.social•20 days ago

I guarantee you there was a not-insignificant number of people who would have voted for Kamala that didn't end up voting because the one polling station within two hours of them got closed down for a bomb threat after they waited in line all day and they just never went back after.

zatar.bsky.social•20 days ago

Or even because they'd been to prison and lost their voting rights.

friendatarms.bsky.social•20 days ago

My polling district got merged into another one, but the staff lacked either the time or the budget to prepare, so we all had to stand 2 hours in line.

friendatarms.bsky.social•20 days ago

No chairs; no water (somebody showed up promising water in the first hour, and then disappeared); there was an elderly lady just ahead of me who collapsed for a few minutes, and spent her last half-hour propped up against a wall.

friendatarms.bsky.social•20 days ago

I watched a few people leave because they had jobs to get to, or kids to pick up from school. I imagine a lot of people showed up at the old polling place out of habit, and got turned away.

electricmood.bsky.social•20 days ago

See you should have stopped reading at the word "reform" because that always heralds counter-revolutionary noise

stochasticooze.bsky.social•20 days ago

My favorite is #5

Where is this leftist racism and misogyny?

Is it in the room with us right now?

lilmissanthrope.bsky.social•20 days ago

the REAL racism and misogyny is when you call us out for racism and misogyny

lilmissanthrope.bsky.social•20 days ago

or maybe they're just talking about criticizing kamala, idk

stochasticooze.bsky.social•20 days ago

I *have* noticed that there's a certain cohort that will automatically react to any criticism of Harris (or any other Black politician) as racism, regardless of context

lunarrabbit.bsky.social•20 days ago

I got accused of being a Zionist for pointing out that trump would be worse for Gaza. I think a lot of people can’t understand that two things can be true.

necrofantasia.bsky.social•20 days ago

from "all our anger should be focused on the fascists" to "actually our anger should be focused on people to the left of me" in just six easy steps

rozorosso.bsky.social•20 days ago

I can definitely understand how this article would take off with the sort of person who gets yelled at online and then says 'this is why we have trump.' walking mouths

lunarrabbit.bsky.social•20 days ago

Oh yeah no, this is meant to feed bill marh type liberals. It’s ment to give them an oversized chunk of the dialog so they can seem like the majority.

bezelvercex.bsky.social•20 days ago

Setting up to keep losing

emilylorange.bsky.social•20 days ago

this is a six step plan saying you're not allowed to be mad at me, which is actually just the same plan it's always been but now i've written it down, you see

emilylorange.bsky.social•20 days ago

bonus: look at the replies of all the people upset no one's following the 6 step plan! no one's allowed to be mad at them why aren't you following the plan!!!!

zatar.bsky.social•20 days ago

Lol he deleted.

fungusthungus.bsky.social•20 days ago

I hate these “self righteous liberals” so goddamn much.

katzratz.bsky.social•20 days ago

'everyone who sympathizes with people who didn't vote should publicly apologize or be cast out' is utterly hilarious and deeply fucked up

especially coming from the centrists/dems, who keep doing things like 'voting for republicans anyway'

emilylorange.bsky.social•20 days ago

i've had people legitimately tell me that even though i did hold my nose and do the vote, i actually cancelled out like 6 other votes because i wasn't cheerful enough about doing it.

it's not enough to even comply you have to be HAPPY you did it and never admit anyone could have valid concerns.

valerieelysee.bsky.social•20 days ago

Absolutely insane headass magical thinking on their part. Might as well be cutting open chickens for policy decisions at this point.

spm1961.bsky.social•20 days ago

i voted for harris and i cannot convey how intensely i hate these motherfuckers for this kind of stuff - it's as if they're actually trying to make sure i never vote with them again by pissing me off so intensely

chowderstyle.bsky.social•20 days ago

Real talk this is why, if we even HAVE another real election in this country, I'm not voting for any candidate who's anything less than amazing. If I'm going to get shit on either way, why NOT hold out for a pony? Win the fucking election without me, assholes.

demidevilqueen.bsky.social•20 days ago

As soon as I read the first bullet point, I had to catch my eyes before they fell out of my head.

I shouldn't be surprised but it's crazy after all that loss "leftists" are still treated like annoying step-children that ruin their nice family dinners, lol.

starrceline.bsky.social•20 days ago

this advice is laughable, people who abstained from voting because they don’t like the candidates deserve apologies for not having our needs represented in the movement, we don’t deserve to be pushed further away.

That advice is a great way to ensure the party continues to fail 😂

starrceline.bsky.social•20 days ago

my favorite part is how they end with “liberals were right about Trump!” uhhhh no you weren’t, unless you meant to lose that election all along…

Liberals were absolutely wrong about Trump, he could not be beaten by pushing Centrism and liberal garbage in the election.

namelesswrench.bsky.social•20 days ago

Do not put in the paper that I am mad also here is the article about how I am mad

ijuuinenzan.bsky.social•20 days ago

This stinkbeard is STILL on the “virtue signaling” kick

mongooseblur.bsky.social•20 days ago

I don't know of any leftist who told other leftists to sit out of voting. It seems like a strawman to me.

lunarrabbit.bsky.social•20 days ago

I mean I have but largely out of frustration of the democrats insistence of adopting increasingly right wing positions. It’s also why a lot of non-voters who aren’t leftists don’t vote. Not saying it’s a good strategy, just that it is.

secondthrowaway.bsky.social•20 days ago

It reads to me as just more pecking order bs

actual progressive ideas need to stay at the bottom of the pole, "if you want anyone to respect your silly 'people should have rights' stance you gotta suck up to us, we have institutional power and you don't"

secondthrowaway.bsky.social•20 days ago

anyway love having another clown to block

lunarrabbit.bsky.social•20 days ago

It’s part of the structure. The democrats are also not a left wing party so they will naturally argue against the adoption of left wing positions. It’s like that scene from the simpsons combines with them trying to culture jam leftists into shutting up.

o76923.bsky.social•20 days ago

The misogyny on the left thing is so absurd. Centrist Democrats are the party of Bill Clinton and Andrew Cuomo! Yeah, the left has misogyny problems too but we didn't build an entire party dedicated to protecting the Epstein express.

sleepyredpanda.bsky.social•20 days ago

this shit is so bad it feels like a republican psyop. "yes we're facing actual fascism now but we refuse to work together to defeat it until you mean leftists apologize to us and tell us we were always right!"

i have always voted for dems but these essays make me feel i am being disinvited lol

sleepyredpanda.bsky.social•20 days ago

the whole list is trash but the "you must apologize now" part is absurd. they really don't see how petty and bad it makes them look. they were willing to work with former trump supporters with no issues, but not leftists?

when i said non-voters have reasons, that means i hate democracy i guess

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

the bit with misogyny in these types of pieces always catches me. does the left have misogyny to deal with? absolutely. as does any group. the question for me is: why are the people constantly trying to hammer the left on this acting like they contain no biases or bigotries in their group?

axelofthekey.bsky.social•20 days ago

It's the same as "the left has an antisemitism problem!"

Like, it assuredly probably does somewhere, but this is just a smokescreen for "criticized Israel" these days.

Similarly, I find a lot of the mainstream critique of "leftists are misogynist" is for criticism of Hillary or Kamala.

problemfellow.bsky.social•20 days ago

Also hard to balance that with the fact that they also keep saying “we lose because we do too much idpol”

Like, isn’t having an internal struggle session over misogyny “SJW” behavior? Don’t these guys think that’s bad?

spaceantqueen.bsky.social•20 days ago

ah, but it only comes from the nefarious lefties so it’s not really a struggle session. you’re just a guy with Normal Ideology kicking the mean bernie bros out

baphometta.bsky.social•20 days ago

It's fundamental to the whole centrist, pro-establishment "liberal" mindset, demand loyalty, offer jack shit.

agnosticnixie.bsky.social•20 days ago

I keep seeing men doing the "liberals are inherently female" smolbean shit and as a leftist woman this drives me completely insane

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

that piece about go about "i was right to be alarmist about trump" that devolved into boilerplate left punching had a lot of this too. tons of 'our side is the Real Women' stuff and - wait i just looked it up. it's the same fucking author. FUCK!

katzratz.bsky.social•20 days ago

I can't help but feel like 'racism and misogyny' here means 'had criticisms of kamala harris' based on the rest of the list...

bittersnurr.bsky.social•20 days ago

Honestly it's ironic because the most popular leftist candidate rn is probably AOC, and the most common objection is specifically distrust that non-leftists wouldn't stay home over those reasons themselves. Why did they think Harris was viable to appeal to THE RIGHT if she was too DEI for the left?

bsarginger.bsky.social•20 days ago

Literally got Cuomo leading NYC with every Democrat office holder in the state going "It's not for me to judge".

satrinawuff.bsky.social•20 days ago

its a khive talking point

it's code for "bernie bros"

satrinawuff.bsky.social•19 days ago

from the same liberal minds that gave us "not voting for trump is voting for trump" we get "not voting for kamala means you hate women and minorities"

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

like extremely anti-immigrant policy has utterly become the norm in these circles. there was all sorts of islamophobic and anti-arab racist shit thrown around in the last 2 years by these left scolding types. there was PLENTY of transphobia.

why do they get off the hook for that?

maybeyoushoulogoff.bsky.social•20 days ago

Liberals/centrists know they suck.
And attacking the left works as people on the left actually do care about misogyny. It’s just so easy for the liberals to attack.

kernighan.bsky.social•20 days ago

There was a study of the 2016 election that found that Clinton supporters were more likely to engage in misogyny than Sanders supporters, for example. But that's never mentioned. Clearly this needs to be addressed across the spectrum, it's not limited to a specific group.

sleepyredpanda.bsky.social•20 days ago

i remember the notable feminist figure who went on fucking bill maher and said that women are only interested in voting for bernie bc they wanna appeal to boys. there was an extreme amount of misogyny from all directions; hilary fans weren't remotely exempt

yoshiherder.bsky.social•20 days ago

They pulled the same playbook on Obama with the "Obama Boys." Throw every dirty trick in the book and then just barely make it to the general, just to violently eat shit despite far more sanders voters supporting shillary than hers did for Obama (see P.U.M.A.'s).

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

from these types, there is never any self-reflection *they* have to do, no apologies *they* have to make, no bridge building to the left *they* have to do to earn their trust - instead, it's all "left: apologize to us, stop criticizing, and clap more. and us? well, we sit there and enjoy that."

striderhlc.bsky.social•18 days ago

People who have spent the last eight years screaming at the left wonder why it's so hard to mobilize the left to vote for them, film at 11. (spoiler warning: it's the left's fault)

hexmaniacwingy.bsky.social•20 days ago

"compromise" always means "shut up and do what I say and acquiesce completely" with these types

funmustbealways.bsky.social•20 days ago

Serious “democrats cannot fail, they can only be failed” energy going on here

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

as is the case for pretty much all these pieces and their recommendations of how to build an alliance, just about none of these are ways to accomplish that, or build victories from it. what they are is a way to remove - often necessary! - personal tension and conflict that makes them uncomfortable.

starrceline.bsky.social•20 days ago

well said.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

like you can see it in number 6: not a single part if this is part of how you build an alliance or election victories, but moreover, it is not *logistically possible*! because you have to step back and ask:

"wait. what movement. who is in charge of it. where do they organize and meet, physically."

thatiscalledbrian.bsky.social•20 days ago

Dem partisans keep proposing similar ideas that all hinge on the voluntary compliance of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people and it is nothing but wishcasting.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•20 days ago

to get all those apologies, you would need to have a group that exists in the first place and the means to extract an *extreme* amount of control over individual members' behavior in order to force a public apology or they get kicked out of the movement - but no one is actually in charge here!

the-enigma-files.com•20 days ago

I keep thinking about this, and I can't help but ask a genuine question.

How are we on the left seriously expected to work with a party that is demanding *over half the country* to apologize to them!?

How does this work!?

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