That's because it is. You're premiums tend to go up if you experience a costly issue for certain types of it (like car insurance) which ultimately means you're paying back what they covered anyway. So it's a loan, not a grant, and in healthcare, it ratchets up prices to extreme levels.
well yes, the whole concept of insurance is based on the idea that the insured is paying for the cost of a payout over the life of a policy while betting that most ppl wouldn't actually have a claim
Auto insurance premiums have been going way up regardless of whether you get into a collision. I'm not paying just for my own possible accidents. It's not a loan, it's theft.
yea, sensors everywhere mean that what used to be "simple" repairs now req a whole suite of new gadgets which all have to be calibrated & probably cost more than the main part in the first place
I don’t encourage or condone murder. I also don’t condone how often we portray violent acts as “mentally disturbed” and am thankful the shooter cited this book title.
It’s hard to portray the shooter as crazed when the reason behind their action is common, clear, and even sensible.
1/2 "What you can do about it." Not to dismiss the contents of the book, they may well be good. But none of those answers are going to be anywhere near as awesome as what we got to see, yesterday.
Fossil fuel execs could also use some attention. We're in a target-rich environment of evil people,
A dollar spent on pre elementary child support in federal programs results in over 60x lifetime federal dollars saved. A dollar of lobbying results on the average in over 250x corporate tax savings.
It’s not just Dems. While the ACA legislation was being negotiated there were 7 lobbyists for every Legislator. Now there are 4 lobbyists for every legislator. Yes the money is a big problem but those lobbyists aren’t just there for Democrats.
Doesn't take a lobbyist to get MAGAs to screw over the middle/lower class; don't even hide it, as they just use people's prejudices to gain their support. No right/wrong, just I win.
Corp Dems may know & maybe even believe in right/wrong, but allow their worst selves be won over by the power/money.
Interesting, the response of other major health insurance companies is to take down their leadership pages that were once touting their CEOs. They know how unethical they have become. This may be the sign — the rise of the masses against corporate greed. What happens when people get fed up?!
The police are under pressure to “find” someone. Basic review of photos of the shooter and the smiler clearly show they are not the same person or the shooter planned the “perfect” crime and just decided to pop in for a cuppa joe, a friendly morning chat with the barista, and then changed clothes?
Exactly. My sister said that people would call the clinic and yell at her customer service people about their bills but it was UHC who was not paying the bills.
I had to go through this when my partner was getting leukemia treatment; both with UH AND w the VA (each was meant to cover different parts of treatment, the most confusing shit imaginable). hope many hours of my time on the phone, when I was trying to be caregiver for someone deathly ill
I worked in the print room printing “Denial of Claim” letters. They would automatically deny your claim. Their policies had small print and big words. They had high priced lawyers that would gain up on litigants.
I worked for them too…delay, deny till they died…I didn’t follow those “rules” but people who had power issues certainly took advantage of it. Always report to the Department of Insurance for your state for an audit..that helps. It’s sad.
Years ago, I had an insurance claims adjuster in one of my classes. I told him that would be a rough job, denying claims from desperate people, he laughed and said the more claims he denied, the bigger bonus he got. He didn't care about the people, he cared about making as much money as possible.
Insurance companies across the board are a racket. They prey off of people’s fear, follow a business model that has no humanity. Everything in this country has to be monetized, you can’t care for society as a whole if that’s the case.
Really? Insurance is not cheap. We pay $$$$$ every month so it’s there when we need it. So the claims adjuster plays God to reject a claim for a bonus? Wow! POS!
We’re basically paying for a “peace of mind”. We THINK we’re good because we have insurance. Until you file your insurance claim. It’s the biggest ripoff ever.
I worked in accounting. We never made money off of seniors because they filed so many claims. Really, it's all about money. Insurance companies have no business being involved in healthcare. I shed no tears over this man's death.
I still don't think him being murdered is in anyway a justification for the shitty Insurance system! We live in a country where half of its citizens are apathetic to being involved or voting in their own communities for their best interests. What better way to take advantage of us!
I’m a senior who has Medicare & a 2nd insurance.The premiums are charged by our age. Insurance companies are big business today. Ceo’s brag about their profit’s & their bonuses. They can give a shit less about people. It’s a cruel America we have become for some of us. I tend to agree with you.
I agree, they care about profit, I think it's disgusting that hospitals call us consumers instead of patients. That says everything about how they see us.
What we really need is Medicaid for all on a Federal Level. Everything is covered by the federal system - you can go get your labs, meds, see your doctors and go home without having to pay for anything.
Medicare has a few issues - premiums keep going up, co-pays are up and down, doctors (specialists) will bilk you with co-pays for months before they actually help you.
Prescription drugs are all different prices on the various supplemental plans - which they have different premiums.
MFA will not fix this. The most expensive insurance coverage on the market is not the answer. I’m not advocating against a solution either, but this is just a nonsensical political idea with no connection to reality. Blame Bernie, not me.
Never said they were. There are flaws with UKs, the Dutch’s system 2, but we need to work to find multiple solutions. There isn’t a 1size fits all. There just isn’t. We should be working towards a basic policy to protect us from bankruptcy 1st. Then layer on top of that basic plan individual options
What you do when a majority agrees with the notion that a country should be run like a business by a businessman for businesses?
People doesn't understand the roll of government
We are going to see the destruction of public programs and watch them all be taken over by wealthy men who intend on making a profit. I call this the raping of America.
They don't know any different. Would be interesting to get a read on how many Republicans are on the ACA (or their kids). There is so much disinfo on socialized medicine that it's an uphill battle. But when you look at cost side by side, it's actually less out of pocket for subsidized care...
Is my opinion that governmental institutions are philosophically different from for-profit ones. As someone mentioned earlier, government is there to serve us, companies are to profit from us.
The people who voted Trump, "don't understand the role of government", nor what constitutes "a good businessman". These are people who utterly believed a TV show's marketing ... that's sad.
Repubes have managed, with Rupert Lucifer Murdoch, to REALLY dumb down at least HALF of the USA.
Sadly, the for-profit insurance companies have gotten their hands on Medicare and control the payments…Medicare Advantage ads flooding the media shows how profitable it is for them!!
Yes, that’s probably the norm for those countries who have universal healthcare. Of course their taxes may be higher, but considering what we pay in premiums, co-pays, etc., it is probably better! Friends from Canada and the UC are very satisfied with the care!!
The president doesn’t decide everything in the government, they have no time to. At least if heath insurance went to a new part of gov, it would be transparent. There are benefits to having it more public service than ins. companies that bleed us dry only to not cover us.
CEOWORLD magazine health care index 2023 rated Taiwan the best country for healthcare. Universal coverage offered by Government Run insurer. The working population pays premium splits with their employer . Others pay a flat rate with Government help, and the poor and veterans are fully subsidized.
And these private prisons are building the detentions centers for the deportation of undocumented immigrants come Jan 20. They will bill the feds for the cost. They will make more tax payer money off this deal.
I've read multiple accounts of the words on the bullets (delay/deny/depose, deny/defend/depose), but I believe they all include the word "depose" - "remove from office suddenly and forcefully."
The bullets actually said "Deny,” “Defend” and “Depose" which puts a different slant on it.
Depose means:
to remove from a throne or other high position
Imagine if United Healthcare were able to quickly look back to see what client they might have did wrong as a means to find the killer. That would be a very long list
The half-assed (by Congress) and compromised (by SCOTUS) measures in the ACA make this worse. The mandate requires that big insurers make money whether they do their jobs or not. Meanwhile, the evisceration of the public option means that there's nowhere else to go.
It's also notable that you don't see the same sort of price-gouging and term-setting in other insurance industries, like car insurance. Yeah, it's more expensive, but most of the increase is explainable as either inflation or actual higher risk. (Like more climate-change disasters.)
Not true. Insurance claims adjusters across all lines of coverage are typically rewarded more for denying claims than paying them. I once deposed an insurance adjuster who admitted her only options were to deny a claim or reserve rights on a claim - never, ever simply "pay a covered claim".
Just because you have not personally experienced this does not mean that the same patterns and practices do not exist. For over 20 yrs I have been representing individuals, small businesses and Fortune 500 companies who face similar claim denials for CGL, D&O, EPLI, E&O and homeowners claims.
I was involved in a wreck where my suv was totaled. They were going to give me a lowball settlement. When I disputed it they said I had to prove that my vehicle was worth more than they wanted to give. I had to do the work to find comparable vehicle sales in my area to show them the resale value.
The ACA misdirected the whole issue, which should be people having access to HEALTHCARE, not insurance. ACA just shovels money to insurers to keep them afloat when they should be abolished and all premiums diverted to fund actual medical care. Bernie Sanders has it right. Medicare for all.
Have had the same thing happen with me! Needed my Gastro, but couldn't see him till March! Went to ER! Bad ear infection with sinus infection, couldn't see Primary till Jan! Went to urgent care. Ridiculous!
My eyesight changed so much for the better since I started on Zepbound in March. I tried to get in to see my eye doctor during the summer for an updated prescription.
They said they were booking in Feb. Sigh… No ER or Urgent care option. Screwed up eyesight w/or w/o glasses on. Daily headaches. 😡
I work in medical billing. My “favorite” is when these companies deny for no prior authorization and, when I check the chart, our nurse was told it wasn’t required… 🤦🏻♀️
Billionaires keep throwing their hypocrisy in the faces of the people they are getting rich off of, and arming them with guns. The CEO of the largest HEALTHCARE company was going to an INVESTORS conference not a medical conference. How does it feel when it’s not innocent children being shot up?
tons of ppl are sharing their experience of a loved one getting killed on the same island and said the police never closed off the bridge, smh smh and bootlickers wonder why we hate the elite and cops.
What makes it worse is that instead of putting blame where it belongs, CEOs, red America blames everything on the deep state. Government isn’t innocent but GOP deregulation gives us unfettered capitalism-out of control
I work in out-patient physical therapy. Private insurance companies haven’t increased our pay us per service in over 20 years. Not just my clinic, all small businesses. There’s nothing we can do about it except not take insurance & charge patients out of pocket. I don’t wanna just treat the rich 😳
You mean the corporate controlled media, that's owned by billionaires, who write stories that billionaires want ppl to pay attention to, on issues that only suit their interests?
It's fair enough but we should probably be careful about how much glee one applies to taking down the media and thus endorsing the erosion of the first amendment. News is telling us what the casings said, and most articles state the problems with UHC etc. It's up to the reader to parse from there.
No one is advocating for a dissolution of the freedom of press. The problem is that decades of deregulation and regulatory capture has given us the corporate media we have now.
That's why independent news spaces are so important. They can tell the true stories, even if they violate the profit motive
Depends on whether the police discover that that is indeed what happened. As I said, I've seen some suggestions that this was a hit--which implies a larger (richer) motivation, someone or some folks with more power. I don't generally follow crime stories, but I'll follow this one.
We don’t really know that. I’d say my reaction to it is politically motivated. But for all we know his wife contracted someone to get him…. We just don’t know. A family member? A business rival? We are all romanticizing what we want this to be about. We don’t know.
I’ve been in healthcare for over 25 years. Admin side and worked at Aetna and one of the Blues. It’s much, much worse than people realize. And UHC is the worst of the worst. They are killing people and causing so much needless suffering. I work for physicians now, fighting the insurance companies.
I worked for a company that did back-claims on behalf of the hospitals and the way they denied HOSPITALS MONEY told me everything I needed to know about the effed up system. UHC was the absolute WORST and if they won’t pay the hospitals ain’t no telling how much they’re denying everyday people.
Why does AARP recommend United Health Care? I have them based on thinking AARP would not hurt seniors. I will be canceling them this week. Shame on AARP. They are just as bad, putting profits above everything.
Honestly, money. UHC probably pays them a boatload of money to get that very useful Medicare population. Medicare Advantage plans cost US taxpayers BILLIONS in fraud and waste. Let me find a good source and I’ll post it here.
Thankfully I never contracted with UHC. I approved all experimental cancer tx.
A friend of mine could tell you so much BS about UHC. He’s employed by mobility equipment suppliers & users.
Thank you for working on the people’s side.
As someone currently fighting a surprise BCBS denial for a procedure I’ve been getting 2x/yr for five years, I wish I had someone like you in my corner.
No prior authorization, which I’ve been told by the intermediary group I am forced to work with, has been in place for years.
Yet the 2x/yr shots I’ve gotten for 5 yrs never had a problem before.”, most recently on 12/8/23.
Doc’s story is, when they submitted the request, it was denied.
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So they did a different type of shot in August.
But insurance has denied that claim.
I don’t know who I can believe, if anyone.
And meanwhile, I’m in such pain that I’m at the swearing/crying/throwing up stage again.
And this intermediary group is making me want to tear my hair out.
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I suspect most people don't realize how much time and money healthcare professionals have to spend fighting with insurance companies. It's not fair to them or their patients. Thank you for helping the healthcare heroes!
They are notorious for arbitrary denials, asking for chart notes, then losing them and then denying for no chart notes. They do everything they can to deny patient care. Across all specialties, this is the reputation they have created for themselves.
I wish I'd known this before signing with them. I've been waiting 2 months for approval for back fusion, and now I have to get my right hip replaced. I wonder how long that'll take. Now, I'll worry about the bills being paid after surgery. I didn't have this problem on regular Medicare.
I agree, I worked healthcare Risk Management or years. There is a good movie “John Q”. Worth a watch.
Insurance Co don’t make money paying claims, they make money denying claims! They deny thinking most won’t challenge the denial. They are correct, often ppl don’t.
There’s a John Grisham book and movie from the 80s about HMOs and the hidden section K in the policy binder about how they would automatically deny a claim just right off the bat. Very accurate and ahead of its time. Can’t remember the title off the top of my head.
It’s John Grisham’s book The Rainmaker about a young lawyer who fights for a family whose son died of leukemia trying to get medical care covered by a crooked insurance company. Heart wrenching!
My favorite part of my job is advocating for my patients. (Shouldn’t be a thing, but here we are) I love empowering them to ask questions and remind them that they are in charge. Getting them connected with the Insurance Commissioner. Again, they shouldn’t have to, but knowledge is power.
Depends on the reason for the denial. Always, ALWAYS open anything that comes in the mail from your insurance company. If they need information about coordination of benefits (dual coverage) give it to them. Some of it is on your provider. Chart notes and so on. Make sure they’re getting that 1/
Information to the payer. Keep the information on who your insurance commissioner is and USE THEM!!! If you’re getting a bunch of arbitrary details, alert your Human Resources. They can and should advocate for you. Not medically necessary denials, ask your provider to appeal, all the way to a 2/
Peer to peer review between the doctor and the insurance medical director. He/she should have similar credentials to your specialist. Ortho to ortho, for instance.
No patient could ever engage - and certainly, no doctor could ever perform - med services without knowing that they're covered, right? So how in the Fkk does the heinous InsuroThug industry get away with diverting premium revenues away from providers, to hire the scum and villainy lobbying Congress?
That's not the way. There are enough of us. We just need to educate those of us that are fooled by the rich. Of, course, it's tough when there are 70 million of them just in the US and time is running out, but, still...
United Health Care, Mr. Thompson received a $10.2 million compensation package last year, a combination of $1 million in base pay and cash and stock grants. He was shot to death as he was walking toward the annual investor day for UnitedHealth Group, UnitedHealthcare’s parent company.
Spain's public healthcare system is being dismantled bit by bit. The privatization virus is spreading there and they are funneling healthcare funds to them and letting the public system sink. The doctors are fed up. It used to be a thriving system.
Under ‘neoliberal’ policies they are trying hard to create a medieval religious feudal system that will benefit the wealthy for generations and 85% are ‘serfs’. The superstitious ignorant masses that will believe anything they are told, by their peers.
This is the Same process we are suffering through in Canada. The only way we would accept privatization is if the current situation was untenable. We now wait about 15 hours in emergency It’s so transparent that there is big money to be made if we change to private; sadly no priority to fix
15 hours in an emergency room is not unheard of in the US. When you have people with no care, they go to the ER. ER backs up with everything. Our little city: 4 hours is average. Las Vegas? 10 hours as average.
In the UK the Tories totally took the piss out the nation. Used 60% of the countries ignorant masses to manipulate for their own political & financial interests. Farage is a classic example.
Tories tried to sell the NHS to American health corporations.
Starmer has a big job ahead of him.
Germany's healthcare system is really horrible. Yes, in comparison to the US it's probably much better, but it's still absolutely horrible and only really helps the rich.
It’s a universal health care system.
Germans have greater access to medical specialists, faster medical results and better medical facilities than Americans.
Which all due respect, but you are very ignorant. I already said it is probably much better than the US. But it is by no means acceptable or okay in Germany. Don't be disresceptful to the countless lives lost or quality of life lost by lack of proper healthcare in Germany. It's not even "universal".
This world treats rich people with such undeserved privilege. I know people who if they were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, they'd be left to die. Our healthcare isn't bad, it's inhumane.
Absolutely. That's why I also really dislike comments about how healthcare is better in this part of the world or that part. All non-rich people in the world share the same fate as in they don't get the medical treatment they should get. We should be united in this against the system.
I agree 💯 classism is a dangerous problem no matter where you live. We have the technology & the means to give everyone a better quality of life, but the ultra wealthy don't want that. No monetary incentive. Wealth inequality cont's to get worse everywhere. People united, can never be divided!✊
And furthermore, you don’t know about all the people coming to the United States, who are fearing for their lives from Venezuela, etc.? They probably don’t give a shit about Health Insurance, they just want to be able to live a better life and we’re not even being nice to them.
I'll never forget the fox news "death panels" story. They sold it to those morons as something new that didn't exist in the insurance business already. It was insane and everyone just ate this shit up. To think a corporation would be less cruel than the government requires some mental gymnastics.
This is a good example of the Republicans/MAGA doing a better job of messaging than progressives.
Universal healthcare is popular with the public, but “death panels” “government-run healthcare“ & “socialism” lead to “Keep your government hands off my Medicare!”
Yes and no. A lot of it was just blatant racism back then. We would've got another dose of it if Kamala had won but I don't think it would've been as aggressive. It wasn't that long ago but things have changed a lot. There was a large chunk of the population that was anti Obama no matter what
But universal healthcare still polls well with the general public. The ACA has covered millions, but it is not the same as single payer, universal care.
My point is Republican messaging (scare tactics) is why we can’t have nice things.
Pre-existing conditions will be at issue again if the Affordable Care Act is gutted. The greedy medical insurance industry will go back to denying coverage and raking in more billions. Thanks, Trump!
To be clear, Medicare ADVANTAGE. That’s how they can get away with denying the claims — it’s still private (and shitty) insurance. It doesn’t happen with Medicare.
As these were the 3 words written on the shell casings where the United Healthcare CEO was murdered by those bullets, I think we have the motive. I don't agree with the murder, I do think he should have been exposed to & made to understand the suffering part so he could return to work & change ways.
Subtitle “why insurance companies don’t pay claims…” is kind of inane. They don’t pay because they want to keep the money. They are for-profit businesses, which is the whole problem.
What time in History was different? Everything we've done as humans has had advocates and detractors in constantly rotating 'majority'. The two have often clashed even unto death. And the victory tales told in the times have as often later been deemed 'crazy!', depending on who's telling the tale.
You’re right. It’s just as time goes by things are worse, and there are less and less people who logically question and scrutinize these craziness which has been normalized. We’re in a time where people just digest information without filtering and you hear phrases like ‘ignorance is bliss’
For much of history, it was the kings, rulers, edu elites, priests, etc who were the gatekeepers and 'dispensers' of Knowledge. The 'common' people are very, Very Late to the open information "age", and MANY are still very willing to just go along using only what's 'needed' for being a minion.
Because some people would rather call themselves “temporarily inconvenienced millionaires” than the face the reality that millionaires don’t about them or the rest of us.
I've been on the phone for over an hour today with Blue Cross of Kansas because the say my anesthesia was not covered as it was administered by a CRNA not an MD. They can't find the benefit exclusion document for me to file a complaint with the insurance commissioner though. Criminal1
Such bullshit! Insurance companies strive to find excuses in order not to pay & screw the people who are paying for their services. God forbid you cut into their profits.
Normally professional level medical providers are working in an umbrella arrangement with a physician group. Perhaps the claim was filed incorrectly by the practice? Just a hint to check.
I’m no expert but, as far as I know, the Hospital Price Transparency rule is supposed to include whether the providers of medical treatment are in-network. This might not help you on the phone now, but if you have to fight it, I’d start there because they are required to advise you beforehand.
I visit the hospital frequently. To get in the ER you have to sign a waiver that explains your providers are independent contractors and may be out of network. So we are expected to sit online and check their status while receiving lifesaving care I suppose?
I was on 2 phones for over 4 Hours to try & get a medication approved. They try their damnest to make you pay.They even offfer you payment plans Wtf I Worked until age of 70 to make sure i was set with health insurance. Don’t listen to anyone. you have to fiercely advocate for yourself
I know this would be horribe, but in a way when we find out the motivation of the insurance co. CEO killed it would be good to learn he lost a wife or child because the insurance company wouldn't cover a terminal illness.
Doesn't make it right but it would explain his motivation. Imagine if a close family member died because they were refused healthcare that you know would have saved them. Wouldn't you be unbearably angry while grieving? Do you think you might do things that are out of character?
My father was murdered. If I could kill the person who did it, I would. If my mother or child were denied care and I knew positively that was the reason for their death, would I pump lead into a cog in the executive wheel of a huge screwed up system? No.
It would certainly explain his actions. If a member of my family died because they were refused healthcare I can imagine feeling this way. If you have nothing left to live for... nothing left to lose.... Just as well my families healthcare is completely free
I worked for 2 different insurance companies in the way back when. One denied chemotherapy until the appeal. Just standard policy. They also denied baby diapers for newborns. The other just didn’t pay anything, until the Insurance Commissioner got involved.
The entire Medical-Healthcare Industry is corrupted by directors, doctors etc who've left a barbaric legacy of arrogant disdain & eugenics policies directed at patients for 100+ yrs. Democides have all ensued under Medical-Military collectives.
One down. It’s a start.
Not shedding a tear. How much blood does every leader at U tied Healthcare have on their hands?
Don’t get me wrong. Shooting a man in the back is murder. So is denying insurance some actually paid for and needed to survive.
This is a horrible outcome. I have nothing but sympathy for his family and friends. It hits close to home as he was an alumnus of U Iowa, my alma mater. He didn't create the system.
But it does cause one to reflect on a system that relies on denial of care to create billions in profits. Often, the mechanics of denying care approach the cost of the denied care.
I've seen how policies from companies like his have decimated rural health care, especially in my field of pharmacy. Adding to the sense of despair that enables anti-democratic urges in rural voters.
There was also a letter to United from a physician about them denying coverage of Zofran and Scopolamine to a child on chemotherapy. You said you’re a pharmacist - make that make sense.
That makes no sense to deny. Both are cheap and they are standard of practice therapy. But their evil blood sucking PBM probably has a backdoor rebate deal on an expensive brand name crap.
I’m shocked it wasn’t Rand Paul after it coming out that he invested in Remdesivir, then told people not to get vaccinated. “Trust me bro I’m a dr”. Got his degree out of a Cracker Jack box.
He didn’t create the system, but his nice salary of $10 million, plus the 238 billion of revenue he made for UnitedHealth tells us that he and his ilk very, very much profited from it.
He was in a unique position to fix the system. He wasn't drafted against his will for this job, and probably stood to get insane bonuses for being "more profitable" (i.e. paying for less care). Do you sympathize with Darth Vader because the Emperor was the real power?
I don't condone the actions of a lonely gunman, but I do wonder what drove him to it.
Who's the bigger criminal, the one that robs millions of what they're rightfully owed in their times of need or the one that stops that person from robbing?
See, but the bigger problem is not the robbing millions part, but the millions in their time of need part. They're killing people, not just robbing them. If anything, the gunman hit and run the person who runs the hit and run company. 🤷
People are applauding this murder all over the internet, a lot of them voted for Trump. Remember he is planning a tax cut for the very person who just got murdered. Diplomacy is the best choice, knowledge and understanding what you are voting for is the tru bullet.
I feel for this mans family i do but don’t live your life in a way where people will applaud ur murder maybe? He made choices that put him there. Including ignoring the threats, his company using AI, and the highest denials. I’m liberal af, but sometimes the only power you have is violence.
@ardog.bsky.social I feel their is a lot to feel uneasy and mad about what our Government lets the insurers do. However wanting or enjoying murder is sick to me. I love the idea of insurance that I pay for, but we need universal healthcare, tax increase worth it.They would be begging for your claim
100% agree. Tho it wasn't always that way. That's why I voted for Jill Stein, sure she won't win, in our current climate. But if people weren't voting like it's a sporting event, in that world Jill would be the Democrat. And Biden would be the Republican. Trump represents desperation, fear.
We've been trying diplomacy for years. They've made it very clear that they won't budge. They ignore diplomacy. All they care about is profit, even at the expense of human life
Fuck them.
Also, people across the spectrum are celebrating. You just want to equate it with fascists to make it seem bad
History teaches us sometimes diplomacy is not. What they are doing is profiteering off of pain suffering and death. We are in a changing moment and lines will be drawn. Note the centrists who stand with the oppressors. The slaves killing the owners needs no moral justification.
Diplomacy requires people to look in the mirror as a whole, and say I want to pay taxes. But I want to have those taxes mean something, like infrastructure, like universal healthcare, like clean air and rivers. The people who vote Trump should want universal. Then the profit insurers need to try.
The tp voters don’t know the difference between Obama care and the aca🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️then they are mad that the dem called the aca Obama care not understanding gop did that🤦♀️so good luck explaining anything to them
When justice no longer exists for the weak they make their own. FOFA movement is here folks and it is just getting started. I am not the leader but i am here for it, playing my part for the last 30 years ans today. Find your role and work it.
Except that guy was just the figurehead for a corrupt organization solely focused on returning value to shareholders. Taking him off the board doesn’t remotely put even a millisecond of pause on the institution and its corruption.
Yes, it is representative of people who've been hurt & suffered great losses so someone else can fill their pockets. A person can do well in business & not be an evil person or greedy. But when we began allowing them carte blanche, ethics & fairplay, good product & healthy cmty, went out the window.
That is an understatement that screams “ i dont know the numbers and the level of greed and sickness behind them.” If you have worked in healthcare in the last 20 years, you know. This isnt a small harm, this is social medical terrorism. Shame in anyone defending this cynical evil.
The horror stories are worse than anything in Hollywood. I have xero Sympathy… the greed and suffering are overwhelming. The pearl clutchers are sheltered, uninformed or intentionally daft. Truly sick. So so so sickening. Tired of the deep
Suffering.
And now Anthem Blue Cross and Blue shield don't want to cover your anesthesia if your operation goes longer than expected. It's a crime that goes unpunished.
Because by profiting, as capitalists, they would have already violated it - AND they are not doctors, nurses or any other qualified care giver. Socialized medicine now and get profit OUT. It has destroyed so called healthcare.
I’m sure there will be quite a tail to tell about whoever the hitman was and what the motivation behind the hit was that prompted it. Probably find out it was a relative of his that was denied then to think healthcare is free in most of the world except the US.
Interesting. Might have to read this book. Working in claims follow up for over 20 years it’s always a struggle to get claims paid timely or not have it deny for some bogus reason.
I broke my leg in 3 places during a moonlight hike in an AZ canyon
4 1/2 hrs to get to hospital, required a long surgery
HMO denied coverage because it wasn't an "emergency"
I asked them how they classified 3 bones sticking out of my leg at 2AM in the wilderness
They begrudgingly paid 1/2 🤦♀️
Due to complications, I had to have a scheduled C-section. The day prior, I sat down with the hospital insurance
department. They told me everything was in order. Apparently. Within 24 hours, I was supposed to call Cigna and report the birth. I didn't know this and they denied my claim
The hospital was a Catholic hospital and chose to pay the insurers portion themselves since they had neglected to tell me this rule. This was 1990. Insurance companies have been evil for decades.
I was fortunate
I was in tiny town az, but the ortho surgeon was from top of his class at Georgetown University
The ortho Dr's here in DC knew him and were impressed at what he accomplished.
They were the ones that told me about his GTU class ranking
Get the tshirt. They’re out already. That and and a gun pin. Remember politicians wore those AR-15 pins after a school shooting? It’s obviously not insensitive.
If you guys do socialise your healthcare please do it better than the NHS. Its been mismanaged and neglected bc old people vote for morons all the time 🙁
I support learning from NHS mistakes, but to put it into perspective: My uncle (UK) had to spend 4 months in hospital due to a severe infection that stopped his leg function. He now needs special equipment and therapy at home. In the US, the ambulance ride on the 1st day could have bankrupted him.
The doctors at wrexham hospital gave my nan the all clear from a sepsis spell without another check they dismissed her, rushed in a week later and dies hooked up to machines in the corner of a crowded ward.
Yet it still works. Even with the wilful destruction, even if it’s slower, even the last 14 years it’s survived. Can you imagine this insurance worry in the US? We are lucky to live in the uk.
Totally, I knew what you were saying. People do vote for morons but sadly not all the older generations. Looked through comments on a false tik tok post and there was zero critical thinking just acceptance that this was true. Scary.
This. My son has a chronic medical condition and I’m terrified what will happen once he turns 26 and can no longer be on our insurance. His medicine is $10k a month and he would be very sick and likely die without it. And we know Trump will kill ACA. And has no plan.
Also i am so sorry dumbasses failed your son for the fake promise of cheaper petrol :( my heart aches for your suffering and i pray you get assistance with your struggles under that fucked system
Same as in Canada, our universal healthcare system is flawed & being undermined by conservative premiers determined to privitize but I would probably have died already if faced with limited insurance coverage or having to pay out of pocket.
Bruh, trust me, it couldn't be much worse than what's going on here. I'm waiting 3 months just to have a 5 minute phone conversation with my PMC. Not even an in person visit. And after that I'll probably wait 1-2 years for my referral.
Ugh, right? I had to cancel my 8 year old's yearly checkup last month because his sister was in the hospital... Can't get another appointment until July
The difference is, in other countries after you wait you don't get a crippling medical bill for your troubles, so you might actually GO to the doctor. So many Americans just suffer, and then their doctors chastise them and ask why they didn't come in sooner.
I waited 6 months just for a call after my Dr referred me to a specialist. Then it was another 4 months for the appt. Another specialist took 10 months from time of referral to schedule. My husband's neurologist has a 6-9 month wait for appts.
Yep, I was referred to get an MRI cause it was needed, waited a couple of months just to be denied. Was told I needed to pay $5000 and they might reimburse me. Yeah, fuck them.
So what happens if you don't have that info from the MRI?
Does your doctor assume the worst & treat accordingly??
I don't understand your privatised system!!!
It's just so straightforward to pay 2% of your income for Medicare & everything is free!!
I've never seen a bill!!
For me or my daughter!!!
Aussie here
My daughter has a rare form of Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis
When she was growing up we had free blood tests & specialist appointments every mth, free MRI's every 6 mths
When she first came down with it she spent about 2 wks in hospital ... all free!!
Thank you AU Medicare!!
#Blessed
This is insane. I needed an MRI a couple of years ago and because it was for my work licence renewal, my company arranged for it privately. It cost them £600 (about $750).
I have health insurance in the USA it took me 6 months to see a specialist and 4 months to see a PCP for the first time. The myth about wait times being better with health insurance in comparison to universal care is laughable.
Just stick to what's right, and in this case it was justified.
I'm sick of all this "but oh no, we have to be better examples"-bullshit while the real assholes being the main cause of all the misery get away with the scot free-card they are issuing among themselves.
And now Blue Cross Blue Shield wants to limit the amount of anesthesia patients may receive during surgery. Just let the patients endure the pain until the surgery is complete?
It's frustrating that, just about every time my doctor puts in an order for something, its denied. It normally results in an extra visit and test to further justify. Result? More money and work being dumped into the system over proper care. Knee x-ray needed before an MRI? like, why?
I’m dealing with this now. The doctor said the slight abnormalities on the x-ray justified the need for an MRI. But stress fractures rarely even show up on x-rays so it’s just an extra step.
Because theyre hoping you wont take the time to fight it
It reminds me of dealing with Fed Ex when I found out their policy is to deny any package claim and then see if you escalate it. Can you imagine how much $ that policy change saved them? Why wouldn’t ins companies do the same thing?
"Always bet on laziness" is what I call "Jerry's Rule" named after the guy who first told me about this strategy, circa 2004, and how he would bet on it. Maybe there is some formal name for the concept, lol.
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It’s hard to portray the shooter as crazed when the reason behind their action is common, clear, and even sensible.
Fossil fuel execs could also use some attention. We're in a target-rich environment of evil people,
If only the Dems would cast off their corporate dependency, we could harness this energy for the good.
Corp Dems may know & maybe even believe in right/wrong, but allow their worst selves be won over by the power/money.
https://www.404media.co/multiple-major-health-insurance-companies-take-down-leadership-pages-following-murder-of-united-healthcare-ceo/
https://youtu.be/cH_rfGBwamc?si=1VeYhvkbxjEWwbmE
Like combover kings who are really criminals -- are police really criminals?
Am I hanging upside down off my parent's couch? I passed out from lack of air, and 60 years went by?
How the #HealthInsurance Industry (and I) Invented the ‘Choice’ Talking Point
It was always misleading. Now Democrats are repeating it.
Jan. 14, 2020
Wendell Potter, former VP Corp Comm Cigna
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/opinion/healthcare-choice-democratic-debate.html?smid=url-share
@democracynow.bsky.social
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/12/10/uhc_ceo_killing_arrest
#ElectionsHaveConsequences
Shooting #healthinsurance execs will change nothing. #GunViolence is not the way to fix America's problems, or any problem.
The Felon's last term saw #gun homicides rise by 34%, so be alert.
https://giffords.org/memo/theres-no-debating-trumps-failures-on-gun-crime/
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/05/nyregion/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-news
most patients that get denied aren't able to fight it even if they want to.
We don't have companies running our justice system, it's run by the government.
Companies should not run our healthcare, the government should (like every other industrialized country on the planet).
https://www.gregpalast.com/stealing-california-from-bernie-again/
Prescription drugs are all different prices on the various supplemental plans - which they have different premiums.
People doesn't understand the roll of government
Hope I'm wrong
Looks like a majority to me.
A country is more akin to a family. We don’t kick out a child because they need help.
If mom makes more money than dad, then she should pay more into the family. It’s common logic to take care of each other.
The minute you add an invoice line for profit/loss, the minute public service takes a back seat to how much copy machine toner is being used.
Repubes have managed, with Rupert Lucifer Murdoch, to REALLY dumb down at least HALF of the USA.
You've been brainwashed by conservative politicians.
Depose means:
to remove from a throne or other high position
https://youtu.be/i0GW0Vnr9Yc?si=hS2sLKpOwiwvaFGo
They said they were booking in Feb. Sigh… No ER or Urgent care option. Screwed up eyesight w/or w/o glasses on. Daily headaches. 😡
Yay capitalism
As much as it pains me to say, the election has shown that ethics/morality only serve in allowing the 1% to use and abuse the 99%.
That tells us something.
That media?
That's why independent news spaces are so important. They can tell the true stories, even if they violate the profit motive
A friend of mine could tell you so much BS about UHC. He’s employed by mobility equipment suppliers & users.
As someone currently fighting a surprise BCBS denial for a procedure I’ve been getting 2x/yr for five years, I wish I had someone like you in my corner.
Yet the 2x/yr shots I’ve gotten for 5 yrs never had a problem before.”, most recently on 12/8/23.
Doc’s story is, when they submitted the request, it was denied.
1/2
But insurance has denied that claim.
I don’t know who I can believe, if anyone.
And meanwhile, I’m in such pain that I’m at the swearing/crying/throwing up stage again.
And this intermediary group is making me want to tear my hair out.
🤬🤬
2/2
Insurance Co don’t make money paying claims, they make money denying claims! They deny thinking most won’t challenge the denial. They are correct, often ppl don’t.
It should be a Text
Book for our times.
The information is available. They don't care: They're not listening.
The willfully ignorant will not have a sudden change of heart and decide to change their minds when presented with facts and truth.
“I shot him!”
“But I didn’t kill him!”
Foook I’m so glad I don’t live in the USA 🇺🇸 …..
Europeans have decent healthcare system.
That’s one of the hundreds of reasons why there isn’t mass migration to USA. 🇺🇸
Whole countries it seems.
Not just in health either.
Tories tried to sell the NHS to American health corporations.
Starmer has a big job ahead of him.
Germans have greater access to medical specialists, faster medical results and better medical facilities than Americans.
the health care system is not without some faults in Germany, but so much better than anything in the US.
Sure it has some shortcomings, compared to the USA….. none.
Universal healthcare is popular with the public, but “death panels” “government-run healthcare“ & “socialism” lead to “Keep your government hands off my Medicare!”
Then, again, 90 million didn’t vote.
My point is Republican messaging (scare tactics) is why we can’t have nice things.
https://gofund.me/77f75400
🤔🤔
🤔
https://x.com/thegooseisloos6
https://gooseygang.neocities.org/
You can find the .gov details, but here’s a brief summary:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/patient-care/patients-visitors/billing-insurance/no-surprises-act
Not shedding a tear. How much blood does every leader at U tied Healthcare have on their hands?
Don’t get me wrong. Shooting a man in the back is murder. So is denying insurance some actually paid for and needed to survive.
“And what you can do about it”
Ummmmm
is gonna take out his anger on a healthcare CEO
Who's the bigger criminal, the one that robs millions of what they're rightfully owed in their times of need or the one that stops that person from robbing?
Her insurance company denied her doctor's shoe inserts saying they were 'cosmetic'
Fuck insurance companies and most especially their actuaries who say what is profitable.
They will not acquiesce until they are afraid for their lives.
Fuck them.
Also, people across the spectrum are celebrating. You just want to equate it with fascists to make it seem bad
Purposefully misled. This isn’t just a one side issue, most really don’t understand the depth of this crisis. They will.
Very nice of that unknown person to water the tree for us.
This has been going on for decades.
I'm sure almost every family in America has a horror story to tell about a loved one being denied care or going broke.
We can now connect through social media and SHARE THESE STORIES.
No more suffering alone!
Suffering.
Get a lawyer
You're welcome
#Deny
#Defend
#Depose
Does New York City United Healthcare CEO Killer Look Like Timothée Chalamet?
Kylie Jenner’s boyfriend Timothée Chalamet recently visited a NYC look alike contest
https://gsavestheworld.com/does-new-york-city-united-healthcare-ceo-killer-look-like-timothee-chalamet/
Scams such as for profit insurance are never worth trying to fix.
*this is sarcasm, for any of you soft-skulled twats ready to pounce on your coffee-soaked 20-year-old Dell keyboards.
4 1/2 hrs to get to hospital, required a long surgery
HMO denied coverage because it wasn't an "emergency"
I asked them how they classified 3 bones sticking out of my leg at 2AM in the wilderness
They begrudgingly paid 1/2 🤦♀️
department. They told me everything was in order. Apparently. Within 24 hours, I was supposed to call Cigna and report the birth. I didn't know this and they denied my claim
It took more surgeries
Finally removed all the plates, screws, wires, pins used to hold things together.
Still occasional pain
But a piece of cake compared to 4 1/2 hours of trying to reach a hospital
I was in tiny town az, but the ortho surgeon was from top of his class at Georgetown University
The ortho Dr's here in DC knew him and were impressed at what he accomplished.
They were the ones that told me about his GTU class ranking
Calls, faxes, no response
Doctor said they could no longer wait.
PS The hospital never heard back from insurance co for the 5 days I was in the hospital
Im a little pissed tbh
Does your doctor assume the worst & treat accordingly??
I don't understand your privatised system!!!
It's just so straightforward to pay 2% of your income for Medicare & everything is free!!
I've never seen a bill!!
For me or my daughter!!!
My daughter has a rare form of Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis
When she was growing up we had free blood tests & specialist appointments every mth, free MRI's every 6 mths
When she first came down with it she spent about 2 wks in hospital ... all free!!
Thank you AU Medicare!!
#Blessed
Even in the UK it would be $12, but a few days wait.
The world just got a little bit better.
For the record, just being tastelessly lighthearted, I DO NOT endorse violence in any form...
I'm sick of all this "but oh no, we have to be better examples"-bullshit while the real assholes being the main cause of all the misery get away with the scot free-card they are issuing among themselves.
Customers and citizens need to resist !
Why
Thompson had his Insurance Policy
Canceled
Permanently
It reminds me of dealing with Fed Ex when I found out their policy is to deny any package claim and then see if you escalate it. Can you imagine how much $ that policy change saved them? Why wouldn’t ins companies do the same thing?
Took it from the in'ernet somewhere last year.....