We need a majority in the Senate because the majority leader calls the shots during the impeachment “trial”.
Mitch McConnell got him off the hook twice. Thune would do the same, move to acquit.
assuming we had the votes in both houses to carry it out but then that traitor Roberts would be presiding over the impeachment trial in the senate how you think would go after his unconstitutional rulings so far...
They are not going to vote for impeachment. They said Trump supporters would kill their families last time. This time Trump supporters will probably storm the capital with guns and ammo during the hearings. Trump would let ‘em too.
If he doesn't care about court orders, then he doesn't care about constitutionality. Do you think he would actually leave the White House if he got convicted by the Senate?
Well if you got rid of the moron you just end up with a hillbilly and all the existing moronites. So your still hooped. It takes more than just one person to destroy a democracy. And there are a lot of them.
True, but I suspect it'll be easier to get 2/3 of House members to override a veto on tariffs than it will be to get 2/3 of Senators to convict Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors
IDK. Trump and his MAGA acolytes would go absolutely ballistic against any Rs in Congress who would dare to vote to override his veto of the tariff kill bill. Trump, and everyone really, would sense that a successful veto override would spell the effective end of Trump's dominance of GOP & the US.
Trump is only getting away with the shit he is because of popularity. Vance would likely get his ass kicked kicked if he so much as acted up after a successful impeachment and conviction. The republicans would have him on a short leash because voters wouldn’t have it.
I understand this, and i do believe you are correct, but the President has a huge amount of power even without Congress, what's broken is broken and Republicans won't fix it, and they're already on board with "Freedom Cities". Maybe better than Trump, but still awful
Oh totally agree! i’m not saying it wouldn’t be bad. I’m just saying that if we get to the point where republicans are willing to impeach then i feel like the incumbent would be far more wary, and the GOP would be far more willing to react against someone the public doesn’t care about.
At the vary least, it would buy time. Vance would need to give things a cool down period if he wanted to get away with anything. We would at least have some breathing room for a little bit, and i think that would help. I think we would get a lot more angry conservatives out
Sure but the sheer power of the Presidency will put Thiel et al in position. I guess best case scenario is Vance is so odious and has so little appeal that Republicans can basically sideline him for the term, take the loss in '28 and hope the census puts them in a position to win in '32
Most importantly, it sends a message that Congress is a co-equal branch. And it sends a message to the world that we have some semblance of control here.
Yeah, but how many times has he already been impeached? It’s the removal part that Congress can’t seem to figure out. I wonder if McConnell is regretting that yet.
I've been saying that for the last 2 weeks! It's one thing if he wants to bankrupt his own businesses but he doesn't have the right to destroy others'. This is complete insanity!
Yes, but it takes a number we don't have. GOP won't try. They are under the gun. Trump has the Epstien files. Naughty men are willing to kill us all to keep the secrets.
Check out https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/ if you’re interested in impeachment (but it’s always a good idea to email/phone/talk to your electeds informally, of course!)
True, but what we have going on here is going to require more than impeachment of one person- a whole slew of people will need to go to stablize & rebuild the country
This is all about creating a situation where GOP Congress members can rediscover their balls (their values have long since flown out of the window, if they ever had them).
Anything that increases that likelihood is welcome.
I mean, unless we have enough for removal, I'm not sure impeachment solves much. Any sand we can throw in the gears is helpful, obviously, but looking for other ways to strip him of power is necessary if we're going to be effective.
"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." John Adams
I’ve been asking Leader Jeffries to formulate and introduce Articles of Impeachment, there are many avenues it could go and I don’t agree with Nancy Pelosi’s narrowing it, but of course, I’m just out here expecting leadership from the Democrats. Our talent is there, let’s use it!!
Who are making up the 2/3 of the senate if the house could even muster 51% to impeach? Let’s see the names. Cuz the GOP senate has one thing going for them - whipping those votes.
Well, last time he didn't combine tariffs across the board with a 7,000-point Dow Jones plunge in a 7-day period. The renditions to El Salvador are also much more egregious this time. Let's see if third time's the charm.
He's pointing out that it takes less votes to impeach+convict than override a veto. The impeachment only requires a house majority, not two thirds in both.
He's pointing out the irony that overriding a veto to take control of tariffs requires greater congressional majorities than what is seen as the most difficult never-going-to-happen level of consensus.
Impeached, yes. Trump was impeached twice in his first term. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were also impeached. But no president has been convicted and thus removed from office. It takes 2/3 of the Senate to do that 🙃
Kind of orthogonal. Yes if comparing only voting thresholds. But impeachment raises the burden as compared with legislation (including overrides) by demanding proof of treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors, as compared with requiring a delegated hook from the Art. I, sec. 8.
But of course the real cost of voting to impeach/remove is hugely higher--ostracization if not quite political suicide--when against a president from the same party as compared to voting for or against the vast majority of bills.
And the best part is, there's a time honoured authoritarian tradition of saying Dear Leader was corrupted and deceived by his ministers, so we honour his true intent by immediately reversing the counter revolutionary policies.
they can impeach him but republicans own the senate and the senate is the jury. so the Co-conspirators are his jury. they won't remove him just like they didn't the last 2 times he was impeached. they impeached but didn't remove him.
Do we really want JD Vance as president tho. He will do all the fascism that Americans live with none of the stove touching that Americans might notice
On the other hand, if he watches his boss go down with bipartisan support, and it's clear that if he follows his boss's lead, he will also end up in prison, he might act better. Or resign after appointing a consensus VP. https://bsky.app/profile/senategabe.bsky.social/post/3liqzzubbtk2e
That’s true. Because it only takes a majority in the House to impeach and 2/3 in the Senate to convict while overriding a veto takes 2/3 in both Chambers.
Except the Congress and the cabinet will never do it. Congress has already shown they won’t stand up, and the cabinet was hand-picked for their loyalty and incompetence.
On the impeachment piece, I do sincerely wonder where we go in light of the widespread complicity in the admin. E.g., if the talk does grow (it should!), would the push be for both Trump and Vance to be impeached, and then we get President Johnson?
oh no we've got a likely bipartisan supermajority in the Senate but can only get a simple majority in the House to stop the president from blowing up the economy, whatever can we do about that
Point taken, but I think we're talking impeachment + conviction, since an impeachment and acquittal doesn't serve the purpose. So we're talking 50% of the House and 2/3rds of the Senate for impeachment vs. 2/3rds of both chambers for the veto override.
Right. I haven't seen counts in awhile but historically the House R caucus has been significantly crazier than the Senate. It's very possible that 2/3 is much easier in the Senate than the House and the difference in requirements between veto and impeachment really matters.
That may be. However, You honestly believe there’s enough GOP senators to convict him 😳 And first there’s the house. Might maybe get that but I seriously fucking doubt it.
Dementia and the history in the Trump family is real. Watching it live and having the effects be global is a crime. Can’t wait to see what fire Team Trump creates today. The sheep of the GOP standby and stand down just like he told the Proud Boys in 2020.
I guess that's right. You need 2/3 of both houses to overide a veto whereas for Impeachment articles it doesn't mention a percentage in the house, but I assume it's at least a majority. The Senate gets to try the Articles of Impeachment and requres 2/3 votes of members present to convict.
A conviction in the Senate take 2/3rds. Senate trial is presided over by CJ Roberts. Twice already they've said they don't want to get political, let the courts decide.
Well, SCOTUS said he's immune and 34 guilly felony convictions with 0 sentence cemented it.
We shouldn't be screaming for impeachment of Trump. We should be screaming for CJ Roberts to signal to the world that he is ready to run a legit Senate impeachment. If we want a conviction, Roberts is the beginning and the end of this.
He should be the target of massive public protest efforts.
Only then... when he has signaled he'll do the right thing, including but not limited to publicly renouncing his position on immunity, that he will run a legit Senate impeachment trial...
only then do we start screaming impeachment. Otherwise that man will fuck us. He needs publicly dragged first.
Pretty extensively, yeah. The WSJ had an op-ed blaming the administration for not doing enough to convince congress. All Things Considered followed it for about a week. Among others.
The founding fathers were generally intelligent and educated for their time, but they weren’t omnipotent. Thomas Jefferson even said the constitutional should be re-written from time to time because he knew that things change over time.
I suppose there's a certain logic to it, one is for policy disputes and the other for malfeasance, so the latter's easier. Though as with many things they probably just didn't even think about the comparison.
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He needs to be removed.
Mitch McConnell got him off the hook twice. Thune would do the same, move to acquit.
Trump must be impeached and removed from the Presidency.
Biden did not change very much when he took office.
Trump's policies will be carried forward by whichever Democrat is elected.
Way past ready
You play with these people, they're going to burn our house down...
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This is exactly what would happen and he'd do anything to remain in power
Impeachment (fitness for office) hearing:
House: simple majority.
Removal from office:
Senate: 2/3 “supermajority.“
Veto: 2/3 Senate supermajority.
Senate override: 2/3 + 1.
Are you becoming the enemy?
IMPEACH Trump and Vance, CONVICT, and REMOVE.
Be done with this, save yourself and the country.
I think we need a stronger solution.
a ketchup packet, a photo op, and a whole lot of 💩? 🤷🏻♂️
Anything that increases that likelihood is welcome.
read your ww2 history —
this isn’t a democracy anymore —
you want it back? you need to do a ‘little more’
but you didn’t believe those who knew - some of us did from 2016.
That's when you'll be able to hope for gop support. Not one moment sooner.
After all, if you’re going to try impeachment, go for broke and actually try to *fix* this mess.
Problem fixed.
Impeachment.
Prosecutions.
2. What is your suggestion?
Let’s start with suggestions and solutions. Potentially breeds hope.
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Has anyone ever actually beem impeached?
Or if they invoke the 25th.
Then what? I don’t have enough popcorn.
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Twice.
He needs to be removed from office by the Senate after being impeached, which is closer to an arraignment than a trial.
And the Senate? Nah! They love the power they’ve got.
even if 10 house Rs will be in charge and have 210 plus dems in said coalition
Well, SCOTUS said he's immune and 34 guilly felony convictions with 0 sentence cemented it.
Courts and Congress have no power.
He should be the target of massive public protest efforts.
only then do we start screaming impeachment. Otherwise that man will fuck us. He needs publicly dragged first.
Why are we still blind and naive to think protests and toothless judges matter at all?
The US veto is way too strong. Our own (Czech Republic) is, on the other hand, laughably too weak.