Please don’t turn this into ax grinding about Biden and DeJoy because, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what Trump is trying to do is illegal and being done with the goal of privatizing the USPS. You can’t use that playbook if you’re trying to make something better. - ThreadSky

cooperlund.online • 1 day ago

Please don’t turn this into ax grinding about Biden and DeJoy because, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what Trump is trying to do is illegal and being done with the goal of privatizing the USPS. You can’t use that playbook if you’re trying to make something better.

Reposted from Jacob Bogage

📬🚨 HUGE NEWS 📬🚨

Trump plans to fire the USPS governing board, merge the Postal Service into the Commerce Department.

It would disrupt 55 years of non-political mail service, and threatens to upend trillions of dollars of ecommerce and the 250 year-old US mail system.

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bahrad.bsky.social•1 day ago

This is yet another service whose inefficiencies Republican core voters depend a lot more on than Democratic core voters.

phoenixwomanmn.bsky.social•1 day ago

The board retained outside counsel and gave instructions to sue the White House if the president removed members of the board or attempted to alter the agency’s independent status. Trump’s order likely violates federal law, according to postal experts.

maxibillion.bsky.social•1 day ago

can't wait to see the law enforced then

brandonbird.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's moot because Trump would just be illegally firing whomever DeJoy's replacement would have been.

cookedmillennial.bsky.social•1 day ago

Fair but we need to see some more courage and resolve and daring from democrats. A lot of the base is fed up.

elchopo99.bsky.social•1 day ago

i think the bigger lesson is that ive been told my whole life, as a democrat, that we need like 65 senate seats and 300 house seats before dems can reasonably do anything. and trump has essentially dissolved the government in a month without even bothering to consult congress. i hate being lied to

golikehellmachine.com•1 day ago

i don’t actually believe that you don’t understand why these things are very different from one another

elchopo99.bsky.social•1 day ago

i mean, i understand that it is easier to tear things down in a lawless way. that doesnt make it any less frustrating that there is no pathway for democratic goals to be realized, because republicans can just nuke them on a whim

golikehellmachine.com•1 day ago

that is a more reasonable way to put it!

reallyreallyreal.bsky.social•1 day ago

There is, you vote for them continuously even when you don’t like them much because they’re still better than the other guys. Republican voters understood that and voted even when they didn’t like their guys. No Republican ever said “don’t threaten me with the Supreme Court” like some on the left.

reallyreallyreal.bsky.social•1 day ago

Nobody lied to you. Trump is doing tons of illegal shit because republicans seized every branch of government.

aubreygilleran.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's not a lie unless you wanted a Democratic dictator who just flagrantly broke the law all the time. I do not.

cooperlund.online•1 day ago

That’s the point that I’m making here. If you want to make something that works you have to play by the rules. If you’re just trying to rip out all the wires you don’t have to think about consequences.

elchopo99.bsky.social•1 day ago

are we sure we have to play by the rules to have something that works? the republican president is not respecting court orders. funds are still frozen. they arent playing by the rules to tear it down, why do dems have to play by the rules to make something better?

brandonbird.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes. It is easy to say, "I am not paying you" or "you don't have a job." But you can't just will employees or payroll or an org structure into existence.

brandonbird.bsky.social•1 day ago

Like if tomorrow Donald Trump declared, "Everybody has free health care! Paid for by the government!" would you actually have free health care? No. You'd go to the doctor and be like, "So Trump said he'd pay for this?" and they'd be like, "They didn't work that out with me."

ed3d.net•1 day ago

...because then it is extremely easy to tear it back down again and the courts will help do it

the rules are why we have anything built at all

elchopo99.bsky.social•1 day ago

in that case, i think elected democrats need to be honest with the american people. democratic goals and aims will never be possible. because dems will follow the rules when trying to build, and republicans will break all the rules and just bulldoze it into the ground when they are in power.

ed3d.net•1 day ago

every time a democrat has said that they have been punished for it

matthewraskob.bsky.social•1 day ago

“The rules” are not this extraneous thing or mere politesse. They are central to having a constitutional democracy.
Also, it is not clear that the Republican president is disregarding court orders at this time.

elchopo99.bsky.social•1 day ago

they are defying court orders

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-keeps-usaid-contracts-frozen-despite-court-order-2025-02-19/

matthewraskob.bsky.social•1 day ago

That is what the non-profits are alleging.

thenortyemp.bsky.social•1 day ago

The difference is easier to break things than to make things.

If Biden has wrote an executive order demanding healthcare for everyone, how would that actually be implemented without new funding appropriated by Congress?

maxp94.bsky.social•1 day ago

Apparently, by sending goons into the treasury and taking control of their payments systems

brandonbird.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sending goons to doctors' offices and demand they treat patients.

thenortyemp.bsky.social•1 day ago

That would take a lot of goons. Gonna be expensive to pay them all.

And the goon should just assault any doctor that doesn't want to treat patients for free?

Or is the govt gonna pay doctors directly? Gonna need money for that.

A Dem pres can just invent a bunch of money via executive decree.

thenortyemp.bsky.social•1 day ago

And then they would transfer those payments to who? Hospitals, doctors, or patients? And then where would they take the money from?

Even if it could work, I would still be against such an illegal measure.

bygonebegotrisk.bsky.social•1 day ago

Oh I think it's much more insidious than that. This is a part of how Trump will rig elections in the future.

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

Democrats should get off of their soapbox on this one, every day Americans barely use the USPS and there are legitimate reasons to rethink some aspects of it. Maybe working with Trump instead of just letting him destroy it completely

titusoates6.bsky.social•1 day ago

Work with the vandal who set your house on fire and stole your children? Are you nuts, or a troll?

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

If you want the kids back, sometimes you have to be smart

titusoates6.bsky.social•1 day ago

Good thinking let’s set up a meeting with these motherfuckers

cheyinka.bsky.social•1 day ago

(Also anyone who orders anything from Amazon uses USPS, even if they never walk into a post office or buy a stamp.)

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sure, but that is largely separate from daily delivery of letters.

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

I’m not saying it should be gone. I’m saying that updating the concept makes sense and Dems look like idiots if they can’t discuss it rationally.

cheyinka.bsky.social•1 day ago

What does "updating" it mean? "We all send e-mail, lol, so sending a letter should cost as much as sending an envelope with FedEx"? "you're never going to write a thank you note so you don't need to be able to receive one"?

cheyinka.bsky.social•1 day ago

Counterpoint: none of the changes any Republican has ever wanted to make are good and all the best ways to save money involve hurting the people who have no other option. You can't compromise on "how many people in rural areas should we abandon" because the only permissible answer is "none"

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

A- almost all of them vote for Trump and B - it is possible to reform the Postal Service in a way that keeps delivery to rural areas. C-use it as a way to bring up gun control, and the GOP‘s inability to be reasonable.

cheyinka.bsky.social•1 day ago

A: so?
B: I'm sure it is, but not inexpensively
C: "we'll let you wreck a core government function if you agree to let us restrict guns" is not actually a reasonable compromise

joeblowtreehugger.bsky.social•1 day ago

Daily delivery to every single house could certainly be reformed and maybe I’m crazy but feels like that might save money.

cheyinka.bsky.social•1 day ago

You don't want to reform it, you want to have delivery to some houses some of the time, because every day is expensive, *but the post office is not supposed to make money*

phrozen.com•1 day ago

You know, that’s a good point. I barely use your house, so I’m gonna be re-thinking not burning it down. Maybe I’ll work with Trump to salvage your shed so it’s not a total loss.

kerrence.bsky.social•1 day ago

i am begging y’all to realize that rural people do exist and we do use the usps daily thank you

deliriumcb.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah all of that is completely irrelevant here, we're three or four steps beyond that with this

windycity54.bsky.social•1 day ago

Why didn’t they get rid of DeJoy during the Biden admin. All this is so sickening. Trump actions must be stopped. Somehow.

veloveritas.bsky.social•1 day ago

Mail-in ballots will be a thing of the past?

mitchsolomon.bsky.social•1 day ago

Is Congress even a thing any longer? May as well privatize them while le gros roi is at it

dummycontrol.bsky.social•1 day ago

Right? Have president musk cancel the lease on that old drafty domey thing.

thethinblackduke.bsky.social•1 day ago

President Musk and King Trump have turned off the lights on the "shining city on the hill".

deefromfl.bsky.social•1 day ago

Except three things recently happened:
*Trump claimed he is above the law
*Trump claimed he is a King
*Congress installed Patel.
The law doesn't matter any more

tallmomof2.bsky.social•1 day ago

What happens to postal retirement system?

dummycontrol.bsky.social•1 day ago

Safe to assume nothing good for retirees.

annabellelecter.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also, for all the 'Why didn't Biden rein in DeJoy' people, Bernie Sanders refused to confirm 2 Barack Obama nominees, and if you want to say he has reasons, these seats were open for Trump to fill. https://abcnews.go.com/US/years-turmoil-postal-service-governing-board-fueled-political/story?id=72482926

smellmymule.bsky.social•1 day ago

DeJoy resigned

bahrad.bsky.social•1 day ago

As we see here he was basically fired.

rallymodeller.bsky.social•1 day ago

Hold up. I may be a hayseed foreigner here, but isn't the Post Office and position of Postmaster General kind of outlined in the Constitution? I mean, not doubting he'd try but Jesus the gall of this prick

thenortyemp.bsky.social•1 day ago

postmaster general isn't in the Constitution. But the Constitution does give creation of post offices to Congress, not the President.

weidleman.com•1 day ago

yeah and Congress has the power of the purse and yet…

thenortyemp.bsky.social•1 day ago

They still have it. It's up to them to use it and stand up for their own powers.

I don't expect this GOP Congress to stand up to Trump tho.

sababausa.bsky.social•1 day ago

What’s done is done, but 39 USC §202(a) would have allowed Biden to remove DeJoy “for cause,” and the statute doesn’t supply a definition so it would have ended up in court, but there was an aggressive but still within the rule of law way to go after DeJoy
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/2025-01-07_R45280_cadaed849173e4a68b115203c4afb68dda5b3a9f.html

sababausa.bsky.social•1 day ago

Folks on the left make a grave mistake saying “Biden should simply have ignored the rules,” which is contrary to principle and wouldn’t have succeeded (and unlike Trump, he has no allies willing to carry out lawless orders);

but there were some untaken legal avenues Dems could’ve been aggressive

stevezorowitz.bsky.social•1 day ago

Congress would not have passed the USPS bailout bill in 2022 without DeJoy there.

sababausa.bsky.social•1 day ago

Idk all the ticktock behind it, and it’s all over now anyway, but there was at least a lawful tack available to have attempted (in contrast with what Trump pretends to now do, which is a completely illegal tinpot decree with no pretense of legality at all)

ecppdx.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't even understand how this would work.

"You're removed!"
"Well, you're not allowed to do that."

The only way this works is if people are cowards.

... oh, got it. We're fucked.

e-brooks.bsky.social•1 day ago

A few things to know about the USPS: no tax dollars go to fund USPS. We only recently stopped giving the Fed $5B before profits annually. Letter Carriers have now worked over 600 days without a contact & pay raises have been 1/3 the national average over 20 years.

jenniferdanish.bsky.social•1 day ago

100% against the law.

zparks.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also, will be a huge loss of critical infrastructure based on a misunderstanding. It’s not a delivery service. It’s packet routing infrastructure—which includes the door-to-door delivery people. Physical network layer vs application layer. Private market isn’t going to build or maintain that.

zparks.bsky.social•1 day ago

Which is not just about commerce. It’s a loss of freedoms. A loss of access to information. To exchange of information and community. And how does the government communicate with it’s citizens? The citizens must pay to access or receive information.

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