74 million voting democrats are pissed at the party of repetition and losing.
Hogg has allegiance to party values, NOT to sitting politicians who sit in their offices & hem & haw. Many vote counter to strategies which results in D’s losing.
The D party is now in opposition, needs to act like it.
I haven’t seen the full segment but the tamed stream media loves to put a wedge between Dems when they should be in the streets asking R voters questions about their feckless leaders.
Don’t let the media do this.
Karl allowed Priebus to take control of the narrative and should have cut him off rather than just let him run his mouth. David Hogg did a good job confronting priebus
Other alternative is 3rd party that actually gets off their ass to fight and BUILD for all working classes, disabled, marginalized, children and elderly.
Destruction for more wealth inequality & trickle down will not produce a stronger citizenry.
What annoys me the most about the maga right now is that they lie and talk over you. You cannot be heard unless you raise your voice and it makes one seem overly angry when you are simply trying to offer your point of view and clarify why you are unhappy with this Trumpwardian regime.
Good! The priebus is being invited/paid to blow hot air on tv is crazy. Failing up is its own profession. This “administration is bad but he is a gang member” line is so out there - like are you just trusting the group you’re criticizing?
Anyone who lies to the public on an alleged news show should be barred for life from returning. But they’ll let it go since they know Garcia doesn’t have the deep pockets to sue the jackasses smearing him.
I could imagine an electrified army of under 30's coming out for an AOC/Hogg ticket in 2028 to lead the reconstruction of a global liberal democratic order. An Obama '08 on steroids.
Folks…we can’t run a Latino woman at the top of the ticket in 2028…winning is the most important goal…we need Bashear or Shapiro at the top of the ticket in 2028.
oh my god, I feel like I've been waiting a million years for someone with even a mote of political power to look a Republican in the face and say "that's a lie and you fucking know it." god bless
I’m so sick of them giving these liars equal air time. The men in El Salvador were denied their rights. It is simple and it is wrong. Do not let them lie to us. Does ABC agree with what they are doing? If not then stop putting them on tv!
They are talking to him like he’s a child and doesn’t understand…like what typically happens to younger generations who speak out. A little pat on the head.
No one has told dems they can’t counter act what David is doing but I don’t see an actual plan from rank and file members to fix it
And the ones I see crying about Hogg's moves are the "Vote blue no matter who" crowd.
That slogan needs to be sent to a farm upstate, along with the likes of Carville, Panetta, and the other "pundits" that seem to have a knack of scoring own goals in campaigns.
Just a remark from an outside view (Europe here): I am always baffled how well mannered and soft those debates are. The US seems to be such a physically violent country, but not when it comes to debates.
I hate listening to MAGA GOP, because, after you respectfully listen to their garbage, they will disrespectfully overtalk the person making some sense, so the audience can't hear your pov. It's a bullying tactic I've always deplored.
This was a really dumb & inappropriate question IMO. WHO cares what washed up Reince Preibus thinks about David Hogg & the DNC? I don't care to see any Trump enabler/ defender giving their opinion about anything except uf they believe in our Constitution.
Just gonna disagree on this. There is a difference between folks who are competent, progressive, and civic minded and who I now and again might disagree with vs someone divisive and way out of their league. Biden and Harris being the former and Hogg the latter.
Serious question. Are you a knowing or unknowing Russian/MAGA tool? Harris offered defensible progressive policies. She is an economist and a lawyer. She brought tons of experience and an excellent running mate. Stop the BS. She was a phenomenal candidate. Fault is in electorate. Simple. True.
He's significantly less divisive than every Democratic leader right now. Their capitulation and lack of action is why the Democratic approval rating is in the toilet.
I simply disagree. A lot of the blame being dumped on Dem leaders is more appropriately directed at an electorate that handed virtually every lever of power to MAGA Rs.
You and others are making yourselves tools of Putin’s propaganda machine.
Disagree all you want, you're still wrong, Joel. Dem leaders are absofuckinglutely the people who should be blamed for this shit right now and the only tool I'm seeing here is you.
I wish people like you held Congressional votes to a 1/10th of the importance you put on mostly disenfranchised voters. 80% of the population doesn't live in a battleground state.
It's never appropriate to blame the powerless over the powerful.
There’s a lot of presumption in your comment. It is just an attempt at false dichotomies. I put massive weight on a wide range of races throughout the country. My point holds 100%. Lots of fake progressives and low info folks withheld votes from Harris and other Dems. Here we are.
The septuagenarian and octogenarian multi-millionaires who have sunk their talons into their seats of power will never. They stand more to lose by fighting for the Constitution and the rule of law and human rights than by milking the statusquo until they die on beds of dirty money & insider trading.
Don’t forget the single digit millionaires, who “downsized” after the kids left to two 4bdr McMansions, who will defend and donate to the status quo forces because to do otherwise would unravel 50+ years of mistaken choices and they are subconsciously more terrified of admitting fault than death.
Nah, they'd rather have someone asking hard-hitting questions like, "Is everyone *really* entitled to due process?" in order to gEt ThE pErSpEcTiVe FrOm BoTh SiDeS
I guess the silver lining on Geo Group and CoreCivic building all those new prisons is that we’ll have plenty of room for all the Republicans a few years down the road.
Reince is a retread of Trump 1.0, a hack who was too inept for 2.0- He tries to counter D. Hogg’s facts by pulling a phony Poll out of his ass. Sad pathetic Maga reject
Whenever i see his name, I am reminded of Michelle Wolf's hilarious set at the 2018 White House Correspondent's Dinner when she said, "I am a woman so you cannot shut me up — unless you have Michael Cohen wire me $130,000. Michael, you can find me on Venmo under my porn star name, Reince Priebus."
David let him talk, but once David started speaking he was talked over by reince and even the host at the end. Why does he have to yell truth over interruption when others are given time?
One fundamental flaw in the RNC is that they are confused about polls and justice. In a country that understands the rule of law, the law isn't dependent on a popularity poll.
whoever is the moderator sitting in the center did a piss poor job of mediating
Priebus that little scum sucking tWump piss bucket carrier
is beginning to look like lil Marco,souless Reince got away once when he wasn't slimy enough for tWump 1.0 to keep him
looks like he misses getting fucked
David is not wrong. I’ll be fifty next year and I’ve never wanted more of a shake up in the Democratic Party than I do now. They are all clinging to a power structure that most democrats no longer want, and I will support any challenger who will fight the status quo.
Here’s my honest opinion if the DNC let Hogg AOC and Sanders continue to be out in front creating the noise ya’ll be stuck with Trump and MAGA for a long long time. It needs to speak to and appeal to all Americans to be an alternative and they will never be the answer.
Reince Priebus has a permanent whine in his voice that makes me want to instantly assault the man every time I hear him speak just to give him something to actually whine about
Never a Priebus fan, but watching him agree with Hogg on rudderless Dem leaders AND recite known-false, debunked White House talking points in the same sentence was remarkable.
He is of the old guard that blocked committee leadership for younger Members; needs to be removed from the conversation.
It's the only way they know how to engage - shout louder and act the bully because their arguments, responses, options are shit and will crumble under scrutiny. And Reince is a vertically challenged POS too.
Who cares what Reince has to say? Wasn't he the one who wanted TFG to get out of the campaign when the P**** tape came out? He's a whiny loser who shows up now? Why? Who cares!! Does he want a job from TFG so he too can get into the $$$$ grab?? they keep interrupting when they're wrong. Loud wins.
I also think that Dems should always drop the Cheney quote on guys like Priebus: "One day Donald Trump will be gone, but your dishonor will remain." Link these people with the word "dishonor" in public.
I avoid these shows; one reason is that one basic strategy appears to be talking over the opponent, generally with a smirk. Priebus ofc does that here.
Does Priebus/GOP think this is a good look for them? A snakeoil-smooth spokes-con-man in a fancy suit, lying and smirking to a young man who survived a school shooting and is trying to prevent future school shootings (and prevent illegal government kidnappings)? I think it says it all.
His views do not represent the Democratic citizens of this nation. If he feels this way, he should officially join the GOP. He seems like a closeted Republican anyway.
Reince Priebus, who was completely ineffectual in his attempts to stop an actual fascist from taking over his own party, wants to talk about party and message discipline among the Democrats. There is truly no accountability in American politics.
Priebus brayed like a college alum sitting in a wingback chair with a drink, smug and superior, repeating talking points, no engagement with the situation of K. Abrego Garcia or with Hogg as a person making points in real time. Hogg is an informed, compelling, incisive speaker. Count me in as well!
I actually think Rene should be deported and he can prove he is supposed to be here form a concentration camp in another country. And thank you, David.
Well, he tried to put priebus in his place, but the guy just wouldn't shut up and kept talking over him. I don't know why the hosts don't intervene and allow others besides reince priebus to talk.
Yeah. I don't think that this does anything. Priebus just talking over him and dismissing him the whole time. I can't see the average voter being moved by this.
"Here's what the Trump administration admitted -- that it's an administrative error. Now, I'm going to go grab a hat that shows the wearer is a member of a terrorist organization, dedicated to lawless kidnapping and human trafficking."
"You are defaming him, right now, which makes you personally liable to him. The network is defaming him, now, by letting you speak harmful falsehoods without noting that your statements are known to be false. How much are you being paid to knowingly make these false and defamatory statements?"
Reince acting like a news poll in any way validates a push to abandon core constitutional mechanisms is just peak spineless consultant mentality—it’s exactly why so many Dems come across as useless stooges.
You know they're worried about the pushback bc Garcia keeps getting scarier & scarier in their framing. Soon it'll be he was in cahoots w/Bin Laden. Preibus trying to use the poll results. Like, sure people want dangerous illegal immigrants deported but you gotta prove it first. That's due process!
It’s a great start. I really like David Hogg. I like what he’s doing. I don’t watch TV and don’t know the rules of these things, so I wonder if he could have been more forceful. His words were great! But Priebus had too much time to lie. That motherfucker. How dare he call that man a gang member.
This. Exactly this.
Just stand up & say “I call bullshit.”.
Every time some slimy MAGA defender, talking head or spokesperson starts whinging away.
“This is bullshit. You know it and everyone watching or listening knows it. Enough!”
My only notes for David are: Next time, yell sooner (as soon as the lie is spouted), yell louder, & keep repeating "you Republicans have nothing but lies."
Why isn't he or the chair calling him out on the repeated interruptions? Hogg sat and listened to him but as soon as Hogg speaks he's repeatedly interrupted.
Do White people not understand the basics of debate and discussion?
In my culture we have rules of debate. After a person speaks the next person is supposed to count at least 3 breaths before responding. Anyone who doesn't is mocked and regarded as childish.
I would have thanked Priebus and asked him if he had any advice on being discarded from the party with no warning or word, just left on the tarmac like a wadded up used tissue 🤣🤣🤣
Oh my God if I could shut Republicans up forever I would do it. The audacity of them to just continue lying while somebody is refuting everything they just said. I'm so f****** sick of them.
You got to love someone criticizing an entire political party for not focusing when they're dealing with a fascist president who's constantly f****** things up and fighting on multiple fronts. Asshole.
He was completely ineffective too, leading Republicans into their most powerless and irrelevant period of the last 50 years. He tried to control his party and lost. Nobody should look to him for leadership advice.
We are so sick of morons who think screaming over top of the truth means changing the truth. Justice can not come fast enough for the last stand of this particular evil.
Most Americans DO NOT think all immigrants should be deported. Many immigrants are hard working people doing jobs the average American won’t or doesn’t want to do. Bottom line is that the Constitution gives the right of Due Process to everyone in the US. End of story!
This has popped into my head literally every time I have seen or heard Reince Priebus' name for the last 12 years. Which, thankfully, hasn't been THAT often. But still...amazing work.
And each week the other so called D’s asked to be on this program like Donna Brazile sit quietly and take these lies with no pushback because they need the gig.
Even if there were and they speak about it and it sounds like it makes sense you can't believe them. You can never believe it because they have shown time and time again that the only principle is obtaining and maintaining power
Also, why would I care what a former RNC chair thinks about the DNC strategy? Doesn't he have an interest in dragging down the DNC? If he happened to have good advice for the DNC, why would he give it? If the former RNC chair wants to get rid of Hogg, maybe he's doing something right
Reince priebus will be lucky if trump doesn’t deport him to El Salvador, trump looks at almost everyone who worked for him in his first regime as his enemies. Priebus is such a colossal loser and epic familiar of human existence. He’s an utter scumbag.
Reince Priebus faced exactly the same sort of revolt from right wingers primarying centrist in his party when he was chairman, and he did no such things. Instead he went MAGA. To the point of being Trump’s chief of staff.
Tbh the most refreshing and welcome thing his genuine concern about people being trafficked to El Salvador. He finds the adminstration's actions not only unlawful and unconstitutional, but morally repellant, just as he finds Reince's bad-faith talking points repellant. As we all should.
HOGG: What does the Fifth Amendment say?
PREIBUS: W-what?
HOGG: *flips over table* Say what again! Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you, say what one more goddamn time!
PREIBUS: It says—it says no person—
HOGG: Does it say you're a fascist?
PREIBUS: W-what?
HOGG: *shoots PREIBUS in the shoulder*
PREIBUS: *screams*
HOGG: DOES. IT. SAY. YOU'RE. A. FASCIST?
PREIBUS: N-no!
HOGG: Then why are you acting like a fascist?
He's at least smart enough to know the way to get popular and become a force within the party is to take it directly to their faces. It isn't hard at all to stand out from the mealy Dem "strategists" on the show panels. Taking it Scott Jennings isn't hard.
I keep seeing accusations about the people illegally sent to El Salvador, but I don't se where they presented any evidence to a judge after 2019 when a judge said the government is not allowed to remove him from the country. The only evidence presented in 2019 was from a disgraced cop.
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Hogg has allegiance to party values, NOT to sitting politicians who sit in their offices & hem & haw. Many vote counter to strategies which results in D’s losing.
The D party is now in opposition, needs to act like it.
Don’t let the media do this.
Other alternative is 3rd party that actually gets off their ass to fight and BUILD for all working classes, disabled, marginalized, children and elderly.
Destruction for more wealth inequality & trickle down will not produce a stronger citizenry.
He’s truly the has-been’s has-been.
Apparently some people didn’t get this in kindergarten.
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Not that it should matter. Even Dahmer--a person who was clearly guilty--got due process (rightly so).
Regardless, I'm glad David's willing to step up.
From the head down
They need to be removed branch, stem and root.
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No one has told dems they can’t counter act what David is doing but I don’t see an actual plan from rank and file members to fix it
But frankly I’m not going to shit on someone who is saying what is 1) true and 2) willing to try when others are refusing to change.
don’t like his candidate? tell me why I should vote for establishment
That slogan needs to be sent to a farm upstate, along with the likes of Carville, Panetta, and the other "pundits" that seem to have a knack of scoring own goals in campaigns.
You want to keep your seat? Defend yourself, or give way to a stronger candidate.
That shit sucks, and promotes immature, irrational "debate".
Linear TV doesn't realize it's dead, so it keeps ramping up the stupid.
You and others are making yourselves tools of Putin’s propaganda machine.
It's never appropriate to blame the powerless over the powerful.
You're so backwards.
Priebus that little scum sucking tWump piss bucket carrier
is beginning to look like lil Marco,souless Reince got away once when he wasn't slimy enough for tWump 1.0 to keep him
looks like he misses getting fucked
Trump administration sends a man who has never been convicted of anything to El Salvador prison.
Trump administration frees Proud Boy gang members who HAVE been convicted of storming the Capitol and attacking police officers.
GOP claims to “Back the blue”
Priebus was left on a tarmac by Trump. Pathetic.
What a blow hard Priebus is.
Rinsed took up space, talked over people, and does nothing. He's part of the duopoly, gerontocracy cartel.
Otherwise, expect this timeline's failures, since Reconstruction, to stay.
He is of the old guard that blocked committee leadership for younger Members; needs to be removed from the conversation.
- but he's got his own ready to fire.🌧️
“CNN just did a poll…“
And that, right there, is the changing of the guard.
David isn’t right about everything. But he’s right as rain here. Reince, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi need to go on a long vacation together.
Why would I trust a network that allows people to lie on TV?
His views do not represent the Democratic citizens of this nation. If he feels this way, he should officially join the GOP. He seems like a closeted Republican anyway.
"Abrego Garcia was never charged with a crime. Here's the text of the fifth amendment, and three court cases for your audience to look up."
*toss MAGA cap at the moderator.*
I don’t care what the poll says, ffs
"I get to talk and I also get to attempt to argue with what you're saying while YOU'RE talking."
Someone needs to put duct tape over Reince's mouth.
I really hate these roundtable discussions that reward being shouty rather than being insightful.
Reince: [immediately and unendingly interrupts David]
This is why I would fail as a TV talking head.
You don’t poll human rights and a betrayal of American values! FUCK YOUR POLL 😡
Just stand up & say “I call bullshit.”.
Every time some slimy MAGA defender, talking head or spokesperson starts whinging away.
“This is bullshit. You know it and everyone watching or listening knows it. Enough!”
But has been putting off a colonoscopy for more than two years cus he knows how much shit he’s full of.
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Do White people not understand the basics of debate and discussion?
This is what they do. byron donalds is the worst for it.
I'm surprised he's showing himself in public.
Even in American we don't get to vote on what the facts are.
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It’s Ryne-sss? WTF
RrrrrrIEnce!
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Reince Priebus faced exactly the same sort of revolt from right wingers primarying centrist in his party when he was chairman, and he did no such things. Instead he went MAGA. To the point of being Trump’s chief of staff.
He is completely full of shit.
PREIBUS: W-what?
HOGG: *flips over table* Say what again! Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you, say what one more goddamn time!
PREIBUS: It says—it says no person—
HOGG: Does it say you're a fascist?
PREIBUS: W-what?
PREIBUS: *screams*
HOGG: DOES. IT. SAY. YOU'RE. A. FASCIST?
PREIBUS: N-no!
HOGG: Then why are you acting like a fascist?
Fuck Trump.