I don't believe them. Even if it is the case, Musk is making orders, telling them what to do and what to shut down. Either way, Musk is in charge and he apparently makes the rules as President now. He needs to be out of there.
"As far as we know???" Such BS! How can they possibly make any cost cutting decisions without seeing anything? That's impossible. The judge needs to allow entry of outsiders to verify this information.
DOJ says DOGE/WH sets "high-level" policies to root out waste in government, while employees inside Treasury carry it out without sharing the records outside of the department. He keeps saying Treasury records haven't been shared "as far as we know."
This conflicts with investigative reporting, particularly on backdoor access. The DOJ claim of read-only access also conflicts with investigative reporting. I'll go with the reporting.
"as far as we know"
I would take this to mean we have no way of knowing if they have been shared or not, and we should assume there is a high probability they have been.
Yeah sure. Zero oversight or supervision and he's allowed to police his own conflicts of interests. In his own words.
"Very few in the bureaucracy actually work the weekend, so it's like the opposing team just leaves the field for 2 days! Working the weekend is a superpower."
Read-only access still allows our private information to be sucked up by DOGE and fed to Elon's AI system. Imagine the national security threat that is. JFC
Read only is half truth bc they can copy it- and access thru whoever has a copy- so technically They are only “reading” - you need tech ppl for the judge .
Prove it. The judge should order actual Treasury employees who know the payment system to have unfettered access, without DOGE hackers there, to see what’s been done & verify these claims.
Subpeona the actual Treasury staff and David Lebryk. Also, assume anything said is a lawyer definition, meaning “have read only access” can mean right now, but not yesterday or tomorrow. Also could mean they hand over the demands to the actual COBOL programmers and demand they do it
What are the objectives? What training to understand the data to recognize fraud or waste? What prevents copying sensitive data such as SSNs, bank accounts? OIG or GAO audits would have detailed written plans based on knowledge of the data to know the results of the review.
> DOJ says DOGE/WH sets "high-level" policies to root out waste in government
he shut down America's foreign aid program in one night, so go fuck yourself DOJ. he very obviously did not determine the ENTIRE thing was irredeemable, in fact he hasn't bothered to point out a dime of mismanagement
As far as we know right now, the Treasury pirates have connected unvetted servers to the previously air gapped Treasury system, and hooked them up to the Internet. All data has been copied to their systems.
The two DOGE affiliates are, by his account, Treasury employees. So yeah, a strict reading would be that nothing is leaving Treasury and changes are implemented by Treasury personnel.
I am not okay with President Musk and his aides, AKA Musk-Rats, scurrying around in multiple government buildings and websites collecting my personal information.
Representations of counsel aren't evidence -- especially when we know that many people are flat-out lying about what they're doing, and the stories don't line up. Get Musk and his team under oath in a video deposition, with drug testing beforehand.
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I'll take 'they've installed Backdoors & Data is being Transferred' for $500, Alex
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-trump-column-read.html?unlocked_article_code=1.t04.8lTU.e1CldcGFxpMh&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
You need tech ppl to police this!
I would take this to mean we have no way of knowing if they have been shared or not, and we should assume there is a high probability they have been.
That makes me feel secure.
"Very few in the bureaucracy actually work the weekend, so it's like the opposing team just leaves the field for 2 days! Working the weekend is a superpower."
Yeah, I'm sure they did that. They aren't stupid. We are supposed to assume they are chaotic good but - we're not stupid either.
We're squarely in evil, the debate is on whether or not using the legal system is lawful, or using it to sow chaos for presonal gain is chaotic
Also, this.
No.
https://bsky.app/profile/nathantankus.bsky.social/post/3lhhhttvx2k2m
This response is ludicrously offensive. And a lie
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-associate-bfs-federal-payment-system/
We all know Elon is copying all our personal data to his own servers to use for his own world domination purposes.
Musk can afford to set up a parallel infrastructure and just copy everything over.
Read-only still gives him the keys to the kingdom.
he shut down America's foreign aid program in one night, so go fuck yourself DOJ. he very obviously did not determine the ENTIRE thing was irredeemable, in fact he hasn't bothered to point out a dime of mismanagement