This is probably the scariest example of a very scary trend I've been noticing. Those who historically act as the vanguard, or at least those with the loudest megaphones and platforms against fascism all appear to be bending the knee like they know it's over.
For a group that accuses anti Zionist or those who have issues with Israel as antisemetic or nazis, they sure are giving benefit of the doubt to an actual white supremacist who is buddies or follows actual nazis and doing a nazi gesture, TWICE!
...performed twice, with an extremely loud recent history of Apartheid Clyde letting his neo-Nazi flag fly (from inviting neo-Nazi chuds on Xitter, to reposting neo-Nazi crap, to posting neo-Nazi slogans and conspos himself, to actively supporting neofascist groups,
...to actively supporting neofascist political movements (like AfD in Germany or Le Pen's following in France ot Farage and Tommy Robinson's goon squads) in an apparent attempt at destabilizing those countries (to the point the is a serious discussion on banning Xitter in EU & UK)
Once is an oops, twice far less so, combined with the pattern of activity and family history (both sides of his fam are multigenerational members of fascist movements considered extreme even for Apartheid South Africa)...that man's a Nazi, just sayin'
he did it twice in a row and said:
“It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We’re gonna have safe cities, finally safe cities. Secure borders"
The gaslighting. 😒 Straight out of the narcissists handbook.
Let me tell you, as a german, I know a Hitler salut when I see one. And that was definitely it.
Why are they always asking us to be the bigger person by overlooking their bigotry, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, xenophobia, and Nazi “tendencies”? Fork them.
I wouldn't go nearly that far. Zionism, though horrific in its present form, fundamentally came as a Jewish nationalistic response to oppression by people like the Nazis or the Imperial/Soviet Russians
some of the early leaders were, but by the time you get to the late 30s its vastly majority gentiles running the show, and by the 40s the Soviet state became incredibly antisemitic (banning Hebrew, restricting Jewish culture and immigration, etc.). That antisemitism persisted until Gorbachev
The USSR was, at least once Stalin took over, functionally a continuation of the Russian Empire's policies for non-Russians living inside it. A bit better, but not by much, and with just as much genocide at play (see the deportations of Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Koreans, etc.)
Actually Zionism originated in the late 1880s, long before the Nazi regime, and was presented to the British Crown as a settler colonial project, to remove Jews from Europe.
That's also a simplification. Zionism until the 40s was divided into political and cultural, with the former being in thr minority up until the mid 30s. Cultural zionism was about Culturally tying Jews to Palestine and some immigration, but not forming a Jewish state like political zionists wanted
The movements thet coalesced into cultural zionism predated zionism by quite some time and tended to be more economically left-wing, while political zionism tended to be more right wing.
Zionism isn't naziism, nor does it share an origin with it, but it is a cautionary tale of why nationalism - even nationalist of the oppressed - is something of which we should be at least skeptical
The ADL cares about upholding the present state of affairs of the Zionist Right more than it cares about actually protecting Jews in either diaspora or Israel
It's hardly the first time they've done it though. Their goal is to advance the objectives of the state of Israel first and foremost. Protecting Jews is ancillary to that. It's not the ADL of the pre-1970s.
Although, that earlier ADL was only interested in protecting certain Jews anyway.
Tf did they just call it? I mean he'd be punished in the third reich for how awkward that very clear attempt at a nazi salute was... But it was very clearly just that. Let's not be naïve of the dangerous ideals that just took office...
In the 1940s and 1950s they were actively involved in the House Un-American Activities Committee. They were also opponents of significant factions within the civil rights movement.
If that's true then he needs to come out and say it himself, admit he made himself look like an imbecile, apologize, and disavow all things even appearing to be Nazism. Himself. Not through some statement in the social media sphere.
He did it TWICE!!!! How was that a caught in the moment thing!? Done with these people pretending that we're crazy for what we are literally seeing in real time!
I have made millions of mistakes in my life, but I have never accidentally nazi saluted. Especially on stage. While giving a speech. While being accused of spreading fascism.
and of course the ADL is gonna let this one slide, as the republicans will bend over even further than the democrats did to help Israel kill a punch of Palestinians
These people don't care about ANYONE. Hopefully their fumbling continuously decreases their credibility. I mean, if you can't even call out a Nazi salute, especially in this context, of what use are you?
He's been in the public eye for over two decades with ample money to have speech writers, coaches, public speaking prepwork, etc etc etc all helping to polish his mannerisms in public. This was absolutely on purpose, there is no way in hell that he wouldn't be aware of how this would be seen.
First, I'm not laughing. This is serious, he is openly and blatantly using the Nazi salute! The fact that he is doing it on a stage where the next White House occupant is standing, is even more terrifying. Even more terrifying is that the ADL blew it off as if it was some kind of accidental gesture.
"hasan and greta thunberg are nazis, but the guy who actually did a nazi salute and has very frequently spouted nazi rhetoric isn't a nazi guys i SWEAR"
Musk comes from white supremacist South Africa. He has shown his support for white supremacist ideology by replatforming and retweeting Nazis. White supremacists don’t just hate blacks and browns, they hate Jews.
Yeah that's bullshit. The fact that that fucker could barely withhold his actual Nazi salute means that the ketamine had not yet completely taken over, that's all.
Omg Elon literally owns Twitter. It is not hard for him to get a message out. Therefore, can we at least wait for *him* to say it was not a Nazi salute???
Sounds like my father today. "Don't worry, I'm sure all of the legal experts saying all of these bad things will happen are simply on edge! Trump isn't targeting YOU with his trans bills, just the BAD ones!"
He’s worn out any grace I can give him. How right wing do him and other technocrats need to go before you see the writing on the wall. This is a bloody joke. I saw what I saw and I will not be gaslit. Pathetic.
There is a particular reason when noting anti-hate orgs I tend to recommend @splcenter.org (just saying) as well as counterprotest groups and mutual aid orgs
I already lost a ton of faith in the ADL over Palestine and congratulating trump, but if a so called Jewish advocacy organization want to “give grace” to an outright fascist giving the Nazi salute, then no one should EVER support them or trust them ever again!
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ADL when you oppose the killing of Palestinian children:
...performed twice, with an extremely loud recent history of Apartheid Clyde letting his neo-Nazi flag fly (from inviting neo-Nazi chuds on Xitter, to reposting neo-Nazi crap, to posting neo-Nazi slogans and conspos himself, to actively supporting neofascist groups,
1/2
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“It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured. Thanks to you. We’re gonna have safe cities, finally safe cities. Secure borders"
Let me tell you, as a german, I know a Hitler salut when I see one. And that was definitely it.
If anyone has watched what Musk did and still thinks it was just “an awkward gesture”, they’re absolutely insane and deluded
We’re cooked.
Oh. There you have it.
It's a Nazi salute alright.
Although, that earlier ADL was only interested in protecting certain Jews anyway.
DAMMIT I WILL NOT BE 1984ED
It's not exactly a new pivot for them to be evil.
The ADL does not appear to have a Bluesky account.
I can't actually directly view it since I deleted my Twitter account, but it comes up in a Google
This is too absurd…
and yes, it's real. i just looked.
I am speechless at the absurdity of this.
I am speechless at the absurdity of this.
so many are on edge. Our politics are inflamed,
and social media only adds to the anxiety.
It seems that Donald Trump gave an awkward
hug in a moment of enthusiasm, not a sexual assault, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge."
But please, always to be calling it enthusiasm
Everyone: (complies in advance)
Oh he's just being silly😜
That's what people who were watching with their eyes closed would call it 🙄
It's fucking day one of this shit jesus fucking christ
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/alternative-germany-afd-party-what-you-need-know
I hate this place.
You. Do. Not. Nazi. Salute. By. Accident.
Musk comes from white supremacist South Africa. He has shown his support for white supremacist ideology by replatforming and retweeting Nazis. White supremacists don’t just hate blacks and browns, they hate Jews.
what. the. fuck.
Oh, okay.
... it was TWO (2) Nazi salutes ... 👇
https://bsky.app/profile/lincolnproject.us/post/3lg7ajoszy22v
Musk supports Israel therefore Musk can't be a N-zi according to the ADL.
Sure old man. sure.
They’re tainted. They’re pretending this new administration isn’t dangerous.
It was no accident. We all know who he is.
This wasn't some misunderstood gaffe. Goddammit people, be real!!!
It's almost like they have a long and storied history of defending Apartheid supporting South Africans...
The people really are on our own.
Meanwhile, we know Netanyahu is all-in for Trump. How does he feel about the Nazi shadow president?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-meets-musk-after-congressional-address-2024-07-26/
Fascists gonna fascist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement