Both sides of the aisle are completely wrong about this issue. There's nothing to cheer about and no one to gloat that they are doing the right thing. It's a festering wound that will infect us all
I cant stand the dishonesty. Biden made the cease fire. Biden did not pay to destroy Giza. Trump is the one giving the Israelis the green light to escalate yet again. The bald face lying in defense of the orange king
Biden didn't get the ceasefire because Bibi didn't want Democrats to win. None the less, they stood by him and sacrificed a good chunk of their votes to do so.
Millions of dollars was sent to Israel under the Biden administration too. Both american parties support israel. You can't claim superiority on this one.
biden circumvented congress to shovel bombs to israel he knew were being used to kill civilians and target journalists and he did nothing to condemn them when they killed american citizens. it's possible for them both to have handled the same situation terribly.
Biden and Harris presided over the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians and over 80% of the structures there being bombed.
It's a fantasy world to pretend that we did not fund and arm them for these crimes under Biden and that Dems didn't crack down on opposition to it. Stop lying.
It was never about Gaza, it was about Muslims not wanting to vote for an Indian woman married to a Jew. Gaza was an excuse and a way for them to convince idiot white people to support their hatred of Jews.
a truly insane take. you might be projecting ur racism? bc this was very explicitly abt Gaza & no sane adult needed a secret racist reason to be a single issue voter in 2024 but especially not the ppl whose literal family members were being genocided, what an incredible failure of empathy on ur part
You guys say the craziest shit. It couldn't be about the atrocities that Israel gets away with the use of our money and weapons, it has to just be "racist or antisemitism."
There's a reason why moderate Democrats are polling terribly and progressives are popular. Think about why a little longer.
Genocide is genocide and Biden supported it and Harris didn’t distance herself from his approach and people who stayed home over Gaza saw 2 candidates they believed would continue to support Israel’s campaign against Palestinians.
I voted for Harris but knowing what Israel has been doing to Palestinians with Dem support makes it very easy to understand why voters would think it makes no difference
Well, that worked out really well. I know when I want to punish someone, I punch myself in the face as hard as I can, repeatedly. Glad to see I’m not the only one.
Well, a related question to the statement by Inmatexii — if the ‘24 protests were really about Gaza, why aren’t those same protestors still protesting now? Plenty of reasons to be…
Trump is unquestionably far, far worse, but the idea that the Biden administration didn’t permit and fund atrocities simply doesn’t hold water. Those State Department officials didn’t resign because they didn’t like the office coffee.
Saw this while I was surfing news sites this morning.
I think it's pretty clear that the whole thing was never about registering concern or anger over Gaza. Not sure what it was, except maybe a dirty-tricks operation that swept up a bunch of gullible rubes.
The pro-Palestinian movement isn't organic. 10000% a Russian active measures program - but it's more powerful this time since the youth have been brainwashed by China via TikTok to hate democracy.
Imagine all newspaper, TV and radio being run by the Soviets during the Cold War?
So to the people who voted for Trump because of Gaza- were you lying to yourselves or lying to all of us? I assume Greenwald got paid a lot to spread that propaganda by Trump and his allies- but like the Normies?
Oh, I think the campaign was absolutely clear about Gaza.You cannot hold the campaign responsible for people who refuse to see reality no matter how many times and ways you show it to them. Being “Pro Gaza” was the only way you could vote for a racist billionaire and still feel smug.
That’s ridiculous. Kamala Harris absolutely talked about enforcing a cease fire and her administration being a change from Biden. But the US will never say you have to let terrorists attack and do nothing- because we don’t.
should be easy to find the footage or the written statement then right @cminga.bsky.social ? can u cite it plz? bc we all know you’re not telling the truth re harris/biden but i want others reading this conversations to know it too
you used to be funny! it’s been a couple months that you’ve been consistently missing and this embarrassingly stupid political take you’ve just posted here explains a lot
“God did the State of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period, because it could have been much worse. We fought for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted”
Greenwald seems to specialize in stupid takes. NO American president since Israel's founding has been able to influence, curb, or mediate their actions. Expecting Kamala Harris to solve it all while running for office was ridiculous, and thinking Fat Stupid Hitler can do it is obscene.
Well I guess I ignited something. Reminder: discuss but avoid being hateful as it serves no purpose. Don’t be like the childish account holder who inappropriately deemed me a baby killer and Karen then blocked me to escape a reply … aka fart in the room, then leave.
Maybe, and a reasonable assumption, but an assumption. My point is about single issue voters in general and this was a timely opportunity to point out the narrow perspective and ramifications.
There is no debate that Joe Biden is the sole author of the complete decimation of Gaza, or that he armed and enabled the genocidal mass murder of tens of thousands of civilians. One of the 21st century's most bloodthirsty war criminals. He has a one-way ticket to deepest hell.
Biden was the only thing keeping Israel in check.
So thanks for voting (or not voting) not only for what is going to become an actual Palestinian genocide now, but now they're killing Americans too. We said this would happen. You got what you wanted. Free Palestine people signed their death warrant.
But he *didn't keep them in check* they expected him to limit the operation to 6 weeks but he never did, and just kept sending arms until 50k+ were dead and the place was flattened. Read a report - this is translated from Hebrew Channel 13. He even sacrificed the election to keep the killing going.
I feel as though you may be overlooking the considerable contributions made by Bennie Netanyahu and the many nationalist Zionists surrounding him here.
Dude if you’re going to be so passionate about saving Palestine maybe go read some history on how long this has been happening. Like, sure F Genocide Joe, but every President for decades has led us here and Trump is the worst of them all up to this point. How is crit for JB helping anyone atp?
I know exactly how long this has been happening. Since the 1880s, enabled by Britain starting in 1917 and the US beginning in the 1947-48 catastrophe. That's why we have to fight and defeat US aggression around the world, from Palestine to Greenland to Canada to Panama.
Netenyahu is the problem, not Israel or the Israeli people. Do you think that our allies should end our long time alliance with the US because of trump? Should they blame all Americans for the atrocities trump commits?? Because of people like you now the American people are suffering too.
The people who write these comments never care to look at the polls that show that jewish Israelis want Racial segregation (around 50% do), approve ethnic cleansing (90% do), like Netanyahu more than any other politician, vote into government self-proclaimed fascists etc
But sure, long time alliance
These people have embraced double thinking: Israel deserves support because it's a nice democracy, but also the government's atrocities are always the byproduct of a tiny fanatic minority (who are still deserving of getting all the weapons and who need to be defended from international scrutiny)
The kidnapping of just 1 Israeli soldier & the killing of 3 civilians in a raid from Gaza led to the 2014 Gaza war.
Hamas deliberately designed their 2023 attacks to maximize Israel’s response against Gaza, essentially declaring the civilian population of Gaza expendable.
Israel is the problem, with its racist, militarized population that elects Netanyahu and others even further to his supposed right. Zionism was always supremacist and eliminationist—of course there's no way to rule over a displaced indigenous population of 7 million except through constant violence.
You’re wrong and now because of trump all Palestinians have it much worse. Israel is an ally of the US. Israel isn’t the problem, Netanyahu is. Biden helped Palestinians now trump will help Netanyahu destroy Gaza and no one will care what happens to the Palestinians.
Trump, the “Peace Candidate.” His solution to Israel-Palestine is the end of Gaza. His solution to Russia-Ukraine is the end of Ukraine. And if you disagree, you’re the monster who wants more killing.
GG is a pos, don't get me wrong, but this is the final aim of an ethno state. None of the candidates were/are willing to dismantle one of the keepers of western hegemony over the Middle East to "save some arabs." The only differences are that Trump is honest and that he provided some actual respite.
Dismantling Israel as an ethno state, yes.
For peace to be possible, Israel needs to become a pluralist state, something which would both require and lead to much more neutrality towards neighboring countries. This is something that would go directly against the interests of the USA and the west.
But as 🍊 declared to Meet the Press: “I think the good parts are the Trump economy and the bad parts are the Biden economy.” - the rule is obviously not just about the economy and Greenwald approves “ although he doesn’t support 🍊”
It’s not the 3rd party voters alone, it’s non voters + 3rd party. It was apathy & cognitive dissonance in general. So many blamed the incumbent party for inflation that was lower than everywhere in the world. Many wanted to be lied to by trump- ‘I’ll bring groceries down on say one!’
surely, after France, Canada, Britain, and Austrialia, we'll all understand now that voting for the major center-left party remains the most effective antifascist tactic on an institutional level
That ceasefire didn’t require every Jew “from the river to the sea” to either die or “go back to Poland”, so it doesn’t count as a ceasefire as far as the left is concerned.
I think we should call Glenn "Evergreenwald". Don't know if there's still room on his ass for more bitemarks. And Trump as a neutral mediator definitely presided over that watertight "peace deal". It's his thing, being a hugely successful businessman and all. Mr Artful Dealing himself.
Netanyahu keeps getting into murderous tactics.To quote Aisha Ahmad, a political-science professor at the University of Toronto: “There’s no such thing as a warrior race … Nobody is born an insurgent. Insurgency is what happens when someone kills your mom … Geneva Convention will not save you.”!
…by detailed succession plans. And killing leadership has the unintended consequence of fragmenting the insurgency’s power structures, so that, if you ever do want to negotiate a peaceful settlement, you have dozens of mini-insurgencies to deal with, rather than a single contained force.”
Furthermore, again as attributed to Aisha Ahmad &that which’s quite true when keen investigation is conducted: “The third option is “decapitation,” but the systematic targeting of insurgent networks’ leaders—the idea behind the recent U.S. air strikes on the Houthis in Yemen-can easily be countered…
It was on The Apprentice. He said “you’re fired” and then he ceased talking, momentarily, for effect. The moment that he ceased talking was pure bliss.
-because it's so gruesome, possibly the best example to reflect on how bizarre it is that people project unfounded optimism and competence onto a cynical, feckless, and utterly destructive presidential administration
It’s really weird how people like Greenwald and Jill Stein are not at all concerned about Gaza now Trump is in power. They never comment on it anymore - yet it was an epoch defining issue 6 months ago.
That 50 shades guy unfollowed me in June of 2023 when I posted "if they stick to their M.O., 1 year before the election, the far left will switch from criticizing both parties to only demonizing Dems".
there was a 200k+ live viewership twitch debate about gaza and palestine like 3 days ago on twitch/youtube, and a sam seder one two days before
you arent hearing about it because as a liberal you dont actually give a shit and leftists dont care to tell libs anymore because we know you dont care
Do you mean the Ethan Klein and Hasan debate? Because that wasn’t conductive to Palestinians solidarity. It was a pissing contest of two huge content creators who are both problematic on a multitude of issues but are treated as thought leaders cuz they’re rich.
Their content is also devoured by online communities as simply content not material support for Palestinians. If Palestinian solidarity is the goal leftists would not be uplifting a bunch of non-Palestinians to speak on it. Nor would those people be having debates. They’d platform Palestinians.
There are plenty of Palestinians around the world who are experts or at least have first hand experience in the fight for Palestinian independence. One of the biggest ways leftists trick themselves is by seeking out ppl who have no stake in liberation for opinions instead of the harmed groups.
Checking on Google there's nothing in the last Month. But on her instagram (which I don't follow), she's posting about Gaza. It would be more useful to check her X, but I won't use the platform.
None of my acquaintances who were extremely active protesting Gaza and daily vocal on social media about it ever mention it at all any more. Trump won and the problem went away.
Oh, the ones I know are still criticizing “Genocide Joe!,” “Killer Kamala,” and now even Bernie and AOC but don’t criticize Trump on this or any other issue. My friend even said we don’t really care about any other issues (that they clearly neglect) because we still support Democrats. What?
Dominated news too. Spit out numbers daily from Gaza ministry of propaganda without verifying. Now: Gazans are standing up to Hamas, facing deadly force from hamas and Netanyahu, being threatened with displacement by 🍊 and Netanyahu, 10/7 hostages abandoned, Israelis being intimidated to speak out.
I'd add many (not all) are the same people that infiltrated the legitimate BLM movement causing chaos to damage public opinion - right before the '20 elections..
AND pushed the Assange/Snowden stories as "proof that Dems are the more evil of the 2 parties" before the 2016 election.
But the DNC did fuck Bernie & his voters over. Regardless the politics. What the DNC did that yr was the final straw on a lot of camel’s backs re: “establishment” politicians. DNC should’ve let Bernie do his thing, but would rather have an autocratic tyrant (trump) than lose corporate sponsors.
The establishment dems (and repubs) idea that “they could control trump” is what got us to where we are today. Nobody took it seriously soon enough. Their desire for money and power was greater than the fear of losing our democracy. They pushed it too far and for that we got maga.
*we got maga AND the clownish third party voters who actually pretended trump would be better for Gaza than any establishment dem. To be clear, I did the right thing both times, but there’s too much nuance to this to just blame certain voters.
He’s the farthest thing left we’ve got that is actually organizing a coalition of other leftists who at the very least believe in the basic core principles all leftists should agree on. I’m not fixin to engage in puritanical leftist debate re: Bernie.
Recently, I posted "you'd think that Trump would get yelled at over Gaza *at least the same* as Biden."
I was quickly accused of being okay with genocide and soon blocked.
If simply saying double standards are wrong sends someone off the deep end, it's incredibly telling.
You ask them if they plan to protest Trump or the GOP and they'll immediately go on the defensive by either saying they won't listen to them or have the brakes beaten out of them by their supporters. They're just gutless cowards.
The same way as Joe Biden? There was no red line for Biden or Harris. Israel were always getting exactly what they wanted. Smooth brain take is pretending there was a different end game between the blue and red branches of the oligarchy.
Yeah she was a huge failure on the issue and made a v dumb mistake ignoring her base BUT you’re totally right - incredibly stupid not to have voted for her based on EVERY SINGLE OTHER ISSUE. Still though, she should be ashamed forever
I can't imagine how fucking stupid you have to be to claim you believe Trump is an existential threat and know endorsing and commitment to funding a genocide will help that existential threat win and refusing to reverse those views, instead forcing Trump on the world.
It was literally the Biden Administration that achieved the previous ceasefire. Netanyahu just timed it to Trump’s “win” to skew the narrative. I’m so sick of lies prevailing over truth!
Truth is that Bibi has control over when ceasefires happen, it's not skewing the narrative if he decides he's not going to give Democrats a win: that's him playing the admin for fools.
I meant that Netanyahu did that to make Trump look more favorable to those who believed he would be good for the Gaza situation. Trump and Netanyahu are in bed together.
i agree about the timing, but biden did literally nothing to push for a ceasefire and just lied to the public about it, this has been widely reported in the past couple weeks
The proposal was first drafted by mediators from the United States, Egypt, and Qatar, accepted by Hamas on 5 May 2024, and presented by U.S. president Joe Biden on 31 May.
you know what you're right, i re-read the reporting and it was only said that the us never demanded "ceasefire now", which doesn't preclude that they were working to some extent on those proposals. my apologies!
I remember seeing some accounts back in January on this very app that tried to give Trump credit for the ceasefire. It drove me absolutely off the wall.
Yes, and even if he weren’t, he wasn’t the one on the ballot last year. People could’ve chosen the well spoken woman of color who actually acknowledged that Israel went too far, but they didn’t.
Suffering more than you are, probably- activists tend to be young and poor and marginalized. Have you not noticed the crackdown on pro-palestinian speech?
So exactly what we kept telling them would happen. And in return, as liberals, we got called fascist sympathizers. It’s had to feel too badly for those who helped put us here. I’ll save my sorrows for those that knew and tried to help us avoid it.
Call it whatever you want. Reality still exists outside of ideology or theory. You folks just keep failing the final exam. Enjoy getting exactly what you voted for (or refused to vote against).
Anyone who thinks Biden's genocide and Kamala not distancing from it was a problem is politically stupid.
Anyone who thinks the one-issue voters who stayed home rather than choosing who would greenlight the murder of their families made a difference is numerically stupid.
My only guess with these shenanigans (you can’t outright ask them without them shrieking and putting you on block lists) is that Biden was complicit so they assumed the VP would be as well but they aren’t really educated about what a VP actually does. Harris promoted a ceasefire as well but she 1/3
2/3 wld have kept her word- they gambled and lost. At one point they refused to listen to ANYONE except the people telling them not to vote. A lot of those people weren’t even American citizens- people from other countries telling Americans not to vote. I think they got swept up in it and didn’t
3/3 think and are now embarrassed and too proud to admit they made a very poor choice.
Here come the block lists (so sick of these people) - if they put you on one just block them. It shuffles you out of the list.
And how convenient the media forgets that the savages Hamas/ Iran just set fires to burn Israel down and sent a missile to destroy the airport with 1000 of innocent people inside. But ya.. Israel blah blah blah.. why doesn’t the MSM media talk about the daily deadly attacks on Israel! FFS
Extermination camps was always the plan. Trump did force a brief ceasefire proving #GenocideJoe could have imposed one at any time during the genocide and chose to allow the regime to kill children. This isn't a flex.
When will people learn that the government of Israel doesn't want a ceasefire. It's why they've broken every ceasefire they've ever agreed to. Ceasefire just get in the way of the IDF's uncontrollable urge to bomb and murder children.
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It is absolutely DISGUSTING. 🤬
Don't fool yourself, there is definitely NO DIFFERENCE between the parties when it comes to this issue.
And the 🍊💩 is too dumb to understand any of it, nor does he care.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Why?
It's a fantasy world to pretend that we did not fund and arm them for these crimes under Biden and that Dems didn't crack down on opposition to it. Stop lying.
There's a reason why moderate Democrats are polling terribly and progressives are popular. Think about why a little longer.
We can roll in a longer, bloodier, and more fucked up Ukraine War for the hat-trick.
There are Jewish led protests AGAINST these callous, heartless sales
Zionism was 1st a nazi-born project, meant to oust Jews from Europe, fueled by decades of anti-Palestinian propaganda
Because Robert Kennedy Jr. is certainly afflicted by the same thing.
and I get it: he was mad at Dems and for good reason. but this is flipped out.
although maybe you're right. i just don't know anymore
I think it's pretty clear that the whole thing was never about registering concern or anger over Gaza. Not sure what it was, except maybe a dirty-tricks operation that swept up a bunch of gullible rubes.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/pro-palestinian-activists-gave-trump-boost-no-2024-regrets-biden-harris-gaza-israel
Imagine all newspaper, TV and radio being run by the Soviets during the Cold War?
It was a bad bet, in retrospect.
People didn't vote for Trump over this, they just didn't vote.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/4/what-do-people-in-gaza-west-bank-and-lebanon-think-about-the-us-election
How much that is I leave as an exercise to the reader.
Maybe the dems were right in that losing more of the pro israel center was worse electorally, I'm not sure if we know in retrospect.
WTF does that even mean?
Remember how Biden wanted to force all the Palestinians out of Gaza to make room for condos?
They're using munitions supplied by, or subsidized by, us. If we turn off the faucet, they'd be unable to keep this shit up.
Didn’t happen in Dearborn, Mich.
Remove Gaza, didn’t happen among Miami Cubans.
Add eggs, didn’t happen across America.
So thanks for voting (or not voting) not only for what is going to become an actual Palestinian genocide now, but now they're killing Americans too. We said this would happen. You got what you wanted. Free Palestine people signed their death warrant.
the people who parachuted into israel on 10/7/23 & likud have no agency. they are, like the gop, npc.
But sure, long time alliance
A good amount of the Israeli people are just as cruel
Hamas deliberately designed their 2023 attacks to maximize Israel’s response against Gaza, essentially declaring the civilian population of Gaza expendable.
Hamas is complicit.
Our allies will treat us differently if our democratically elected government commits genocide, and people riot to demand the right to rape prisoners
Cuz it’s not only the folks that voted for Trump, but all the folks that didn’t want to vote against Trump
For peace to be possible, Israel needs to become a pluralist state, something which would both require and lead to much more neutrality towards neighboring countries. This is something that would go directly against the interests of the USA and the west.
Protests are happening all the time.
Outside. Not on social media and definitely not on the mainstream media news channels.
https://uscpr.org/pro-palestine-protests/
and others are paying the price for it while they look away
surely
-because it's so gruesome, possibly the best example to reflect on how bizarre it is that people project unfounded optimism and competence onto a cynical, feckless, and utterly destructive presidential administration
on cue however they’ll be back in 2028 to make those who can’t think for themselves vote against their own interests
I was wrong, they made the switch by July.
you arent hearing about it because as a liberal you dont actually give a shit and leftists dont care to tell libs anymore because we know you dont care
https://ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/news/2025/04/26/demonstrators-in-manhattan-protest-against-war-in-gaza
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/28/nyregion/protests-israel-woman-attacked-brooklyn.html
AND pushed the Assange/Snowden stories as "proof that Dems are the more evil of the 2 parties" before the 2016 election.
I didn't realize defending Bernie as not being an extremist was potentially controversial, but I agree we'll both move on.
Have a good day.
I was quickly accused of being okay with genocide and soon blocked.
If simply saying double standards are wrong sends someone off the deep end, it's incredibly telling.
he's always been a self-righteous windsock.
‘I’m going to help the guy that wants Gaza to cease to exist while also throwing 330 million Americans under the bus, that’s the better result.’
The alternative is what we have now and it was no secret how Trump would lean.
Or you could compromise and win. But that's apparently something you tell progressives, not something you think applies to you.
They said dems would lose because they supported massacring Gaza. They did. And all I'm seeing is venom for the ones who said that.
It was also exceeded as an atrocity within the week and the retaliatory massacres haven't stopped since.
Hey, finally some heartwarming news.
Anyone who thinks the one-issue voters who stayed home rather than choosing who would greenlight the murder of their families made a difference is numerically stupid.
Student loans-worse, gaza-worse, prisons-worse, immigration - worse, economy-worse, inflation-worse, value of money-worse, dei-worse...
It's like the 2008 detroit lions.
Here come the block lists (so sick of these people) - if they put you on one just block them. It shuffles you out of the list.
Netanyahu should be arrested for war crimes against humanity.