But how horrifying is it that we truly don't know whether the fucking rightwing fascists on the Supreme Court will uphold the Constitution or side with the cruel, stupid, dictatorial fascist felon?
Communication is a valuable and essential process. Do not underestimates the power of words. Obviously words alone are not enough... This trend of pissing on the efforts of others needs to take a long fucking holiday.
when you allow a person to spend their whole life committing crimes with no consequences, you can expect them to have no intention of following any laws.
“My ancestors didn’t fight for my freedom just to have our inalienable right to send an innocent man into a foreign hellhole violated by a rogue system,” said Thomas, defiantly smoothing his robe.
So, in the legal profession unconscionable is used in cases involving contracts, but I don't see how pulling people off the streets and shipping them off in the night to gulags in foreign dictatorships falls under contract law, but I must admit that I'm not a lawyer.
But in Common Law the concept of a "reasonable person" is often used to help make objective assessments about official conduct or fairness in legal procedures, or to determine what citizen can expect from government officials.
I don’t remember paying foreign prisons as part of Trump’s deportation plans. “Wokes” were worried enough about deportees being callously let loose on streets of their unwanted destinations. Little did we know about the possibility of torture and jail.
I am so damned sick and tired of the convicted felon wasting money and resources on suing somebody every time I turn around. Dude needs to find another hobby.
Due process is the entire basis of law. Without it there is nothing but anarchy and brutality, and obedience to evil as the only recourse in self-defense, as in Russia, and every other place Trump and conservatives admire.
Then SCOTUS had to come in and stop it. The argument is that the courts don’t have the jurisdiction to order a foreign country to do something. I mean, I get it, but the US gov basically disappeared a US citizen off the streets and mistakenly deported them. Wtf.
When the courts CLEARLY STATE what the CONSEQUENCES of failure to act will be, this game will be ongoing for eternity. We won’t have a court, there won’t be Justice. Right and wrong will be unnecessary. Truth will be dead. There will be Nazimerica with a majorly mentally ill king and cabinet.
Commenting that a presidential order from a guy who has never used his conscience once in his 78 years behaved in an unconscionable manner is …
is….
dumbfounding.
All of them were sent there illegally They were not given due process. Just like the people put in Guantanamo after 9/11. If they are guilty then prove it. JFC - it’s spelled out very clearly in the Constitution.
I mean, all of them were wrongly sent. They all deserve due process. Further, El Salvador isn't even their home country for most of them, so calling it a "deportation" is disingenuous. It's a rendition.
In fact, because we have a presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt ALL PERSONS PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES ARE PRESUMED TO BE LAWFULLY PRESENT UNTIL DUE PROCESS DEMONSTRATES OTHERWISE.
But but but they had a CI who told them what they wanted to hear that gave them a fig leaf that he was a really bad man!
And he was unable to refute the claims, because proving a negative is super easy, so really its all his own fault.
I saw the word lawfully & expect more Bondi lies about victims.
Let's see what the six Christian Nationalists on the Supreme Court do. Remember they gave the Felon immunity after the 11th Circuit's succinct ruling that no person is above the law.
Words to live by, courtesy of the Fourth Circuit: “The United States has no legal authority to snatch a person who is lawfully present in the United States and remove him from the country without due process.”
AMEN TO THAT! of course the Gang Leader; the G(ang) O(f) P(utin), the Gang; the cowardly Gang politicians; the Inner Circle; and the party lawyers could care less...they will continue to do whatever they want...
People who, with this decision, should be allowed to appeal it from their prison cells: Kristi Noem; Todd Lyons; Kenneth Genalo; Nikita Baker; Pamela Jo Bondi; Marco Rubio
Thank GOD for the few, at least, righteous judicial judges not shy nor scared of the deranged Psycho-felon at the oval-ofc gettG tremendous monetary support fm the Tax-cheatG USA’s new Oligarchs who also volunteered to murder off the lower incm needy families just bcs it’s not so obvS in plain sght
Succinct is fine by me!
Too often it seems we get headlines saying "Judge X releases 72-page ruling on ..." - which is especially annoying these days due to the rapidity with which they're being released!
THIS is the template for all opinions and decisions should be issued in these manifold Trump cases. Cut to the heart of the matter and don't waste time or ink on the Trumpian piffle.
The real question is: will SCOTUS affirm or reverse the 4th Circuit?
If they affirm and Trump ignores SCOTUS, then we're in real trouble.
BTW courts never enforce their own orders [rulings] - that's left up to either the parties to the case or to law enforcement.
Yeah but it didn't stop Oyer from testifying anyway.
In other words, she called DOJ's bluff, and they went *poof*
Pretty sure they won't prosecute her, either, although not a certainty.
Not sure what you mean by "initiate" - I've been a lawyer for 45 years, and whenever I win a case, I'm the one who initiates enforcement for a client.
Maybe we're thinking along different lines????
After a court cites someone for contempt, in the US courts anyway, it's up to the Federal Marshall's office to apprehend the contemnor (the one found to be in contempt), and that usually happens because the party in the case who was seeking to hold the other in contempt
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Courts issue orders, and it's actually up to the parties to obey - or to seek other process to aid in enforcement of - a court's order.
Courts just issue orders - they really don't do any
"enforcing."
That's why the specter of TrumpAdmin ignoring court orders should have us all very concerned
They need to arrest the person/ people responsible. My guess is Steven Miller tops the list. At the very least he should be picked up for questioning. I have some bamboo skewers if that'll help move things along...
Well, To be Fair and Balanced™, having ethics always was a disqualifier for working in the Trump Administration.
The real question is are you willing to risk being disbarred.
Bondi is going to be convinced that had a loyalist merely stood their ground and not (correctly) conceded the points that Reuveni did, then it would have gone the other way
I don't know; I'm getting to be a fan of the "defend the government in technically correct ways that result in harsh judicial findings against the government on the record, then get fired" approach instead of just resigning.
"Unconscionable" isn't helpful here. They need to say, "illegal" and "unconstitutional." Unconscionable means they should feel bad. They won't. We need to hear that, if necessary, the American military will be sent to retrieve these people.
In this context "unconscionable" means that the government's position shocks the conscience of the court. It is the judicial version of "WTF" to tell the gov't how out of bounds they are, and likely a warning.
Disagree. Making a claim in a brief is not an illegal or unconstitutional act. It is, however, unconscionable. That is, it is correct to say that it is unconscionable to claim the authority to do something patently unconstitutional.
Agreed. Not to mention that anything done “without legal authority” is illegal.
The government’s “contention” and “argument” are modified by “unsconscionable.” While also dishonest and wrongheaded, there’s no basis for finding either “illegal.”
Exactly! is that the best they could do? to say something was unconscionable as if though Republicans/MAGAs care. There should always be some consequence that is enforceable. If we leave it to their good conscience, it’s not going to happen.
The decision does say that in pretty plain language multiple times, you're complaining that one paragraph in a 21 page decision doesn't have the exact wording that you'd prefer and I don't think that's very productive tbqh
“Unconscionable”
What’s that? You’re right this entire trump run operation is ILLEGAL! The bastard is seeing how far he can go while we tell him how bad he is. Arrest the TRAITOR.
lol yeah. At least ppl here are well-intentioned & willing to learn.
In a TikTok comment thread some time ago, a YouTube University Law School grad informed me that a federal court has no authority to "junction" Trump.
🤦🏻
It's all very well and good saying this stuff but the simple truth is... he's already done it and he's going to do it again unless someone physically stops him and the whole Republican Party that's backing him up.
Trump's lawlessness is nothing whatsoever to do with being conservative. If conservative judges are indeed what they claim to be they will side with the rule of law, not the President.
The Federalist Society, an oligarchist insurgency against rule of law, owns the "conservative" brand. Its hallmark is "Originalism," a method for reasoning backward from an outcome dictated by partisan, ideological or cultural grievance to determine the "history" that must be invented to justify it.
I looked up "unconscionable" and unfortunately it isn't a deterrent as it sounds exactly like what Trump does for everything: "Without a conscience; unscrupulous; so unfair or unjust that it shocks the conscience".
And yet they are indeed powerless in execution. When they start issuing warrants for the arrest of the President, VP and the menagerie of impotent shit tickets that occupy the executive, then we will believe they are an equal branch
If I kidnap my neighbors dog…I would go to JAIL!
LOCK THEM UP!
Better yet, load all of the entire trump entourage onto a plane, deport them!
They’re crooks, thieves, liars, deranged, drug dealing, putin puppets.
Donald Trump has been granted Presidential Immunity by SCOTUS, thus eliminating the requirement for due process.
May all of the Justices who voted in favor of this burn in hell alongside their annointed King.
Accept let’s not forget that we are dealing with a corrupt SCOTUS who has already given Trump limitless power. What’s one more, the ability to kick anyone out of the country, tourist, immigrant, green card holder or citizen.
What I don’t understand is what is wrong with these fucking people? It’s like they truly don’t give a shit that they are destroying a man’s life (including all those who love him) and the fear and anguish he must be feeling has to be horrific bc he has no idea that anyone is even trying to help.
I read something (I’ll try to find it) that stated republicans/conservatives think differently than democrats/liberals. They demonstrate more fear and religiosity because their brains are wired differently. Add the destruction of public education over the last 40 years and fox news for the 🍒 on top.
I love your posts btw!! 😉 I would like to read it. I am the lonely “black sheep” liberal in my family. Interestingly, I was adopted. It would be neat to look at the nature/nurture arguments! I don’t understand how hatred trumps humanity.
Your nature/nurture inquiry is very interesting. I was raised by a pack of democrats - I don’t think anyone in my family ever voted for a republican. If they did, their shame would require it be kept a deep, dark secret.🤣
It is just so disgusting and I truly don’t understand it. Growing up I saw pictures of when my mom was little and there were signs up for “whites only” in businesses. I asked why she didn’t say anything about it and she said “that’s just the way it was then” and my heart sank. May we never return.
From Inge Scholl's memoir (1952): "The White Rose":
"The conservative Christian parties smoothed Hitler's path to power. Ten years later Germany was a hotbed of robbers and rapists who waged war on all of Europe."
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Then they will have irrefutable, legal, public, proof of contempt of court which will make prosecution (whether through impeachment or other means) easier. Ignoring the courts makes it tough to deny that youre running an authoritarian regime--and they're on thin ice already with much of their base.
The Attorney General arguing to a US Court that special rendition of legal residents is sanctioned by the #Constitution, and that courts have no authority to review such action Is. An. impeachable Offense.
#Bondi must #resign or Congress must #impeach & convict the Attorney General.
He will be returned. Most others also returned end of year to 2026. According to mediums and psychics who I have somehow turned to in this bizarre nightmare world. Gives me hope and my anxiety has disappeared.
End of year to 2026. You do know that these people are kept in crowded cells 24/7 right? The prison’s dining halls, break rooms, gym and board games are strictly for the guards. No one imprisoned there has ever been allowed to leave.
Trump‘s just gonna run right over that he just doesn’t give a flying fuck.. his only goal is to destroy the USA. He can’t forgive us for voting for Biden, convicting him of felons and sexually molesting Jean Carroll.
That’s what I said - it is LUDICROUS to say that we paid another country to imprison people & whoops! now we have zero control over them - they’re just lost to us 🤷♀️ Not even to get back someone we admittedly sent in error. Hey, think i could be a judge?😂
Now that DOJ layers know they can be fired or suspended for following their duty of candor before the courts, should federal judges be able to assume that DOJ lawyers may not be telling them the whole (or even half) truth when they appear on behalf of the government?
Some of us have been suggesting on here that the federal government has lost, or deserves to lose, the unspoken presumption among judges that you can trust what a DOJ lawyer tells you.
I suspect that, on top of the very threatening “as an officer of the court” judges might also start asking if saying the truth would lead to internal sanctions and go up the chain for contempt.
"The Government’s claim that it can remove an individual from the United States pursuant to such an agreement and thereby lose the ability to reclaim that individual and return him to the country … cannot stand. The Government’s actions ... violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
“The duty of zealous representation is tempered by the duty of candor to the court, among other ethical obligations, and the duty to uphold the rule of law, particularly on the part of a Government attorney."
what do you make of them including "lawfully present"? i'm horrified that there's so little interest in opposing sending people (ANYONE) to slave labor camps
This situation might be their litmus test. They will defy the courts for as long as they possibly can. The only thing that will stop them is the political fallout. But what MAGA will stand up and defend a gay Latino man?
Another nice line from today's appeals ruling:
"More importantly, the Government cannot be permitted to ignore the Fifth Amendment, deny due process of law, and remove anyone it wants, simply because it claims the victims of its lawlessness are members of a gang"
I still find it so difficult to believe that he was birthed from that amazing man. His father would have been a generational president. A lot of our current problems would not be an issue had he not been assassinated. No Nixon or Watergate, No southern strategy. No Reagan and trickle down. 😪
They do not want this innocent guy coming back from El Salvador and going on TV to tell the world what they've been subjected to. Trump has said these are terrorists, meaning foreign combatants which makes their imprisonment subject to the Geneva Convention. These are war crimes.
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2 - On April 6, 2025, the district court issued a thorough memorandum opinion detailing its sound reasoning.
They take action and ignore our words.
We're not going to win with words.
But in Common Law the concept of a "reasonable person" is often used to help make objective assessments about official conduct or fairness in legal procedures, or to determine what citizen can expect from government officials.
Perhaps "unconscionable" is its opposite.
adj. referring to a contract or bargain which is so unfair to a party that no reasonable or informed person would agree to it.
https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=2183
Every reasonable person knows it.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lm7ztrxk7k2e
Due process is the entire basis of law. Without it there is nothing but anarchy and brutality, and obedience to evil as the only recourse in self-defense, as in Russia, and every other place Trump and conservatives admire.
Immigrants: Everyone. Don't bother sorting out who should & shouldn't be targeted
Tariffs: Everyone. Penguins might suddenly start exporting goods to the US.
is….
dumbfounding.
https://www.indivisible.org
https://www.fiftyfifty.one
https://www.theblop.org
And he was unable to refute the claims, because proving a negative is super easy, so really its all his own fault.
I saw the word lawfully & expect more Bondi lies about victims.
All the free speech in the world means shit if they can just stick you in a camp.
I just hope scotus supports this no brainer.
If so, bravo.
Because Alito, Thomas, and Kavanaugh can't fiddle with that.
Too often it seems we get headlines saying "Judge X releases 72-page ruling on ..." - which is especially annoying these days due to the rapidity with which they're being released!
If they affirm and Trump ignores SCOTUS, then we're in real trouble.
BTW courts never enforce their own orders [rulings] - that's left up to either the parties to the case or to law enforcement.
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-justice-department-damage-pardon-attorney-liz-oyer/
Same lawyer.
Gestapo tactics used.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-dept-mobilized-armed-marshals-warn-ex-lawyer-over-congressional-2025-04-07/
In other words, she called DOJ's bluff, and they went *poof*
Pretty sure they won't prosecute her, either, although not a certainty.
Maybe we're thinking along different lines????
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Courts just issue orders - they really don't do any
"enforcing."
That's why the specter of TrumpAdmin ignoring court orders should have us all very concerned
The real question is are you willing to risk being disbarred.
Also, "Fuck off corrupt US gov't" works too.
In contrast, “illegal” and “unconstitutional” — though true, of course — are dime-a-dozen terms we see every day.
Anybody have a prediction?
I’m lost on this.
Without the DOJ the courts have no actual power to bring someone home?
Pam Bondi is the AG. She’s where I’d start.
And all of these lawyers are risking their tickets.
JFC.
Here’s my question (I’m not a law person)…
In a contempt proceeding who makes the arrest for the court?
I can’t get my head around who enforces this.
This seems like a really big deal if they blow it off.
The floodgates open?
* Clarence, notwithstanding.
The government’s “contention” and “argument” are modified by “unsconscionable.” While also dishonest and wrongheaded, there’s no basis for finding either “illegal.”
What’s that? You’re right this entire trump run operation is ILLEGAL! The bastard is seeing how far he can go while we tell him how bad he is. Arrest the TRAITOR.
In a TikTok comment thread some time ago, a YouTube University Law School grad informed me that a federal court has no authority to "junction" Trump.
🤦🏻
Did they mean sanction? Or are they Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty?
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
Thanks, Obama.
We must show them how wrong they are. UPHOLD THE F'ING LAW!
LOCK THEM UP!
Better yet, load all of the entire trump entourage onto a plane, deport them!
They’re crooks, thieves, liars, deranged, drug dealing, putin puppets.
May all of the Justices who voted in favor of this burn in hell alongside their annointed King.
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/04/what-to-do-if-the-insurrection-act-is-invoked/
It’s batshit crazy but so is this SCOTUS.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-liberal-brains-might-have-some-real-differences/
"The conservative Christian parties smoothed Hitler's path to power. Ten years later Germany was a hotbed of robbers and rapists who waged war on all of Europe."
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
#Bondi must #resign or Congress must #impeach & convict the Attorney General.
Damn straight
But not the career
DOJ lawyers.
Trump does taint everything he touches.
How does this act resolve itself?
Courts have no physical power?
I expect the furor from MTG and dopey tommy tuberville any moment now.
"More importantly, the Government cannot be permitted to ignore the Fifth Amendment, deny due process of law, and remove anyone it wants, simply because it claims the victims of its lawlessness are members of a gang"
In front of the White House, too.