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ryanlcooper.com • 4 days ago

I'm convinced this is right. RFK fans aren't that numerous but they are precisely the kind of gullible low-info dipshits that ordinary campaigns struggle mightily to reach https://bsky.app/profile/unavaleable.bsky.social/post/3liiwnlhyhs2q

Reposted from Reconstructionist

also this confirms my priors that RFK did, in fact, swing the election

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mangocats1.bsky.social•4 days ago

My neighbors really wanted to treat their parents' COVID with Ivermectin, that's what hooked them to cheerlead for RFK.

joyouspanther.bsky.social•4 days ago

The Trump voters in my area had signs in their yards like

TRUMP
vance
RFK Jr.

bagofbleeps.bsky.social•4 days ago

Just saying...

https://civileats.com/2013/10/08/what-ever-happened-to-michelle-obamas-school-lunch-program/

blooming-burbs.bsky.social•4 days ago

We need to speak a bit more critically about our food system and ‘regenerative’ ag. Some good follows: @waiterich.bsky.social @tamarhaspel.bsky.social @jandutkiewicz.bsky.social

blooming-burbs.bsky.social•4 days ago

I know there are others who are slipping my mind…..

blooming-burbs.bsky.social•4 days ago

(When I say ‘critically’ I mean scientifically . Kennedy seems to speak critically about food systems but it’s in the same way he speaks critically about vaccinations.)

chaosos.bsky.social•4 days ago

I feel like 2024 is the new 2000 — the election was close enough you can come up with any counterfactual to swing a fairly small number of voters and end up with a wildly different state of the world.

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

it is curious how so many could come to trust an antivax lunatic who looks like a catcher's mitt and sounds like a muppet on a speed bender. probably some of it has to do with supermarket checkout aisles still having Romance of Camelot JFK magazines

jortscity.bsky.social•4 days ago

this is anecdotal but I moved to Europe as did some other american coworkers and they echoed some of the same sympathies to RFK...I think social media has led a lot of people to be more health-conscious than their parents, yet American consumer markets are overwhelmingly oriented around soda...

peppermintjack.bsky.social•3 days ago

kennedy delende est

peppermintjack.bsky.social•3 days ago

bobby kennedy made one impeccable speech and jack kennedy was good looking and had an attractive, well-dressed wife but their assassinations elevated them to totally undeserved sainthood

belleslettres.bsky.social•4 days ago

Brother Michael skied into a tree while playing touch football on a slope. RIP.

zephhowell.bsky.social•4 days ago

His name and aspects of his public life really did lend him credibility to begin with, coupled with being an older white man.

That and the average American views science and medicine akin to pagan rituals and mystic rites. He could have said he'd remove bad karma from food and they'd be hooked.

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

the woo woo to alt right pipeline, many such cases https://bsky.app/profile/saintsopossums.bsky.social/post/3lijx77zjrc2s

dadvans.bsky.social•4 days ago

when u reframe it as “these people believe there are ghosts in ur bones and have made a career off it” suddenly their backing of quack medicine makes a lot more sense

petree09.bsky.social•4 days ago

anecdotally, I'd say this is true

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

"an obsession with cleanliness and hygiene, conspiracist irrationality, and a fondness for quack miracle cures fits perfectly on the right." https://theweek.com/politics/1007628/dr-ozs-campaign-and-the-hidden-danger-of-woo-woo-cranks

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

it is funny how so many obsessed with the Big Pharma profit motive completely ignore even worse behavior from other companies advertising and selling shit to them https://bsky.app/profile/tyler.britten.us/post/3lijxtzfik22q

forevernever.bsky.social•4 days ago

Alex Jones's show is a grift to sell supplements.

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

next Dem admin, if there is one, must wage all out war on medical/health scams. chiropractic, supplements, MLMs, etc. it's a matter of national survival https://bsky.app/profile/bendwalsh.bsky.social/post/3lijxm4qfv225

yossarian320.bsky.social•4 days ago

Better find out how that polls before we do anything. Because leadership.

bigbluebongo.bsky.social•3 days ago

There would be parts of Florida where the retail vacancy rate would be like 90% if you did this.

johncastiglione.bsky.social•4 days ago

Add gold/silver sales, coins, car dealerships, I might even suggest things like private youth travel sports networks, etc.

johnwmccarthy.bsky.social•4 days ago

no more of the "we can put out some junk drug but just throw on the bottle or end of the commercial it's not FDA approved." If it doesn't past muster you can't sell it period

mediumvillain.bsky.social•4 days ago

add it to the list of existential threats they plan to continue ignoring

aminosbilly.bsky.social•4 days ago

but SO MUCH of this fascist revival is "I don't want to do it, so it should be illegal to do it." Trans people existing? porn on the internet? weird books in the library? cheetos available? Well then control yourself, Karen, don't elect Hitler over it.

erik-pbg.bsky.social•4 days ago

How shocking that Biden never did anything about MLMs.

Wait I’m getting breaking news from 2014
https://time.com/3034152/herbalife-ftc-pyramid-scheme-investigation/

luxexnocte.bsky.social•4 days ago

I think part of that is the dismissive attitude toward anything non-Western in medicine. Ex: I had a great chiropractor who taught stretches and encouraged PT. You can blend these things without being woo-woo and there is a growing body of research to support some traditional medicine.

cuw.bsky.social•4 days ago

It’s wild to me you can go into GNC(awful experience) and find something on the shelf that will kill you if you mix them with some prescription drugs, and somehow it’s on the pharmacist and doctor to figure out that your BRAINFORCE is gonna interact with like your blood pressure meds.

docstock.bsky.social•4 days ago

They’re only slightly below car dealers in terms of contemporary kulaks who need to be liquidated. Dentists are also up there, tbh.

tyler.britten.us•4 days ago

ban both pharma advertising as well as supplement advertising

dustinn.bsky.social•4 days ago

This is basically the core of Rogan’s whole schtick. The profit motive corrupts everything you do, but all of my friends in a multi-billion $$$ supplements industry are purely health motivated

drdietcoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

Not to say the pharmaceutical industry is ethical, but the multi billion dollar supplement industry routinely has things in their products that are not disclosed and the fda can only investigate after people are harmed by it

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

exactly. whole class of companies that bribed congress to stop even the most obvious kind of regulation, but supposedly savvy cynics just ignore it

winterscminter.bsky.social•4 days ago

My Mom spent thousands and thousands on edible dirt, god inspired soap, colloidal silver and every scam going, all while decrying "big pharma".

coreyatad.com•4 days ago

Naomi Klein’s writing on this in Doppelgänger is so good

wdstckdr.bsky.social•4 days ago

From Monday DC rally💙💙

tyler.britten.us•4 days ago

And always has.. the entire supplement industry is basically a rightwing christian grift

cmerlin.bsky.social•4 days ago

Hard not to see COVID as having accelerated the pipeline flow. Trump's disastrous response to COVID convinced fringe lunatics that government more than corporations can't be trusted and it was downhill from there.
But also appeal to strongmen who can just decide vaccine mandates don't apply.

bendwalsh.bsky.social•4 days ago

We consistently underestimate the threat posed to liberal democratic institutions by chiropractors

bendwalsh.bsky.social•4 days ago

(Not for nothing Aaron Rodgers’s dad is a chiropractor)

ralphesq.bsky.social•4 days ago

Okay that actually explains basically everything.

how-are-u.bsky.social•4 days ago

Chiros and car dealerships, they must go.

superprima.bsky.social•4 days ago

Don't forget whose great grandmother was the first chiropractor in Canada.

The current situation is brought to you by the great grandchild of 2 chiropractors.

jeninmotion.bsky.social•4 days ago

One of the things I want Dems/anyone to start pushing on? Antivax is fucking evil, woo woo is fucking bad, and supplements are bullshit.

jeninmotion.bsky.social•4 days ago

(Thanks to a lengthy IVF journey w/my wife, I learned a lot about how they get pregnant people with the woo woo and it just keeps going about how the food is bad for our kids, etc.)

ademainalors.bsky.social•4 days ago

That part is likely just the obvious response to medical trauma during pregnancy. As a country we really don't have the same protections that other countries do, and the result is that the one time a healthy person encounters the medical system, they are treated horribly and gain a disability.

jeninmotion.bsky.social•4 days ago

Some of it? But honestly there is a lot of woo around "natural is best" and fake empowerment like "your body was made to do this SO" and honestly, even a lot of breastfeeding education can be very crunchy and not super helpful and then you get the "clean food" lies aimed at anxious new parents.

pursuedbyabomb.bsky.social•4 days ago

We gotta ban MLMs I swear to God.

ralphesq.bsky.social•4 days ago

Honestly, my take on MLMs now is to just let them scam each other. 15 years ago when it was my cohort getting scammed, you had to dig a bit to find info, and there were constantly new MLMs that no one had complained about yet. Now there are podcasts, movies, subreddits, etc.

cadencecivet.bsky.social•4 days ago

If we could somehow retarget the hate Uncommitted continues to get onto this we’d have supplement stores turn into big empty boxes

telson.bsky.social•4 days ago

I'm pretty sure it's COVID fallout.
A lot of these health freaks are anti - vax.

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•4 days ago

Low trust people are more easily scammed because 1. They trust other low trust people, who seem like themselves
2. Low trust people are more likely to cheat others
"No sucker like the one with a little larceny in his heart" - PT Barnum

seantcollins.com•4 days ago

The Streets had a song about this.

pat0615.bsky.social•4 days ago

What I hear from younger people they like him for his stance on processed food and sugar in cereal. Talk about blind spots. He's bat shit crazy.

jeff-notheotherone.bsky.social•4 days ago

I still stand by my 1st assessment from first pic I saw of him ‘smiling’:
“That snarl says ‘I will kill and eat your children’…”

But yeah, many people still want desperately to believe in the celery juice thing or the magnetized water spoon or whatever

swolecialism.bsky.social•4 days ago

he had a long run of writing articles in various semi-respectable publications, too

alangrofield.bsky.social•4 days ago

Obama sought his endorsement and publicly considered him for a role in his admin.

There’s a rot in American society

roosays.bsky.social•4 days ago

Remember the “scream” that made John Dean withdraw from a presidential race? Long for those days.

leftinfighter.bsky.social•4 days ago

RFK appeals to people who don't really know much about their world, but love coming up with theories for how they think things work, and being validated as an independent minded person who's intellectually shoulder to shoulder with actual experts. The Dems need to learn how to flatter stupid people.

joewv.bsky.social•4 days ago

The left has their low info dipshits but they don’t vote or go third party. Anti-vaxxers are subservient to authority and fell in line. Liberal dipshits wear not voting as a badge of honor. The futile outreach going on is with them.

saintsopossums.bsky.social•4 days ago

My sister is a chiropractor, and she anecdotally told me that basically every single one she knows went from quack-conspiracy hippie vaguely Dem in 2018 to full on MAGA RFK Jr. fan in 2024. He has an enormous constituency of people who haven’t met a conspiracy theory or dumb scam they won’t take to

dbauer09.bsky.social•4 days ago

Why does your sister think it's okay to scam people?

mangocats1.bsky.social•4 days ago

The chiros I know are always ready to sell their customers whatever they want, which is whatever they think might make them feel better.

slackermom.bsky.social•4 days ago

I actually know some good chiropractors. They aren’t all scammers. The corporations like Chiro One? That’s a different story.

dbauer09.bsky.social•4 days ago

You can't treat people for things that don't exist without being a scammer.

50megatonfbomb.bsky.social•3 days ago

I do know one chiro who says that subluxation theory is a joke. He just cracks backs and prescribes PT. But literally every other one I've ever met is a scammer with a God complex.

slackermom.bsky.social•3 days ago

I have worked with one here in Chicago who is an expert in functional therapy. He helped me and both of my daughters without cracking our backs.

hollingswordy.bsky.social•4 days ago

I worked for a chiro who didn’t believe in the moon landing but did believe that a raw fruit diet would keep him alive forever. Literally forever because of Methuselah.

crs1.bsky.social•4 days ago

Real malpractice that it wasn’t better “journalized” that JFK jr was funded by same donors as Trump

Just complete malpractice

heartmama.bsky.social•4 days ago

A former friend of mine went all in on RFK. This is an educated person who would have completely rejected MAGA in the before times. I'm sure covid broke his brain, just like it did for so many.

thisispsittacus.bsky.social•4 days ago

Honestly, good for you. I feel the same as you. My soul hurts but we need every hand we can get at this point!!

shahidkhan.bsky.social•4 days ago

Also one more thing you can blame Elon and his drugs for. Nicole Shanahan cheats on Sergey Brin with Elon during a bender, gets a billionaire divorce and funds RFK campaign to prominence

ekogaia.bsky.social•4 days ago

Problem is, like all misinformed people he is right about some things such as the impact of HPF in our diet and pesticide use. However on far too many matters of import he has dead wrong.
But the ignorance is big out there.

stegosaurus-rex.bsky.social•4 days ago

They've got permanent Springer brain. If it's not a circus it's

What did you say?

eschatonblog.com•4 days ago

yah my hair guy who has lefty politics and is pretty with it usually was like (a few months ago) "at least RFK will get the pesticides out of the food supply"

telemark.bsky.social•4 days ago

I'm on a Phish forum and one of the regulars is "well at least he will get artificial dyes out of food" and I just...

302czar.bsky.social•4 days ago

I can provide three or four Facebook moms/grandmoms at my place of employment who are equally disengaged but generally socially liberal and absolutely love RFK and his nebulously stupid views.

happyrumrunner.bsky.social•4 days ago

the Kennedy name doesn't only get you into Ivy League schools in a heartbeat it also gets you p....

dkxkee.bsky.social•4 days ago

The other day heard people I thought were intelligent praising the idea of getting fluoride out of the water. Thought that was pretty much settled fifty or more years ago.

blooming-burbs.bsky.social•4 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/blooming-burbs.bsky.social/post/3lijwwt5hos2b

ryanlcooper.com•4 days ago

there's a home builder guy I watch on youtube sometimes, into extremely efficient and sophisticated custom homes, just yesterday he dropped a video about air quality and offhand mentioned how great it was that RFK was getting dyes out of food

benjaminharnett.com•4 days ago

Man, I hate to say it but part of this is the relentless drive to turn people into consumers—it primes people to think in slogans, to buy the surface, and RFK has a salient message even if it’s entirely horseshit it’s the same species as these scented dryer sheets will change your life.

auroraerratic.bsky.social•4 days ago

I can’t figure out how RFKjr got so irrational. Or idk maybe he always was? But if you read Riverkeepers he sounds like a very rational, intelligent person. Then he went down the vax rabbit hole.

lxv.bsky.social•4 days ago

He did literally have a brain parasite at one point . . . .

badhorse.bsky.social•4 days ago

The irony of him pushing ivermectin as a wonder drug is that he's like the one person it actually could have helped by killing his brain worms...

lxv.bsky.social•3 days ago

I dunno Bad, it is horse medicine so you personally might find it useful 😆

plankysmith.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yep

majq.bsky.social•4 days ago

Anecdotally, I'd agree. My mom is a big RFK jr fan, as are a bunch of granola moms in my sister's Montessori mom group. Idk what it is about that guy that appeals to them, but the libertarian crunchy "health" mom is obsessed with that creep.

silkscreenfiend.bsky.social•4 days ago

The "do your own research" brigade out here doing their own research.

napoleon-the-pig.bsky.social•4 days ago

Sarah Longwell's Focus Groups podcast and some of the people that were interviewed as part of it really made me wonder if RFK jr was really a small but right in the "sweet spot" demo that Trump picked up just because of him (I think Musk is also part of to as well)

wncwobbly.bsky.social•4 days ago

The ones I know locally fit that description.

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