Got damn! We all know what that gesture means. @nytimes.com, this is why I don’t follow you or read anything you publish now. Whatever evil may result from these facists, many in the media are complicit.
I just unsubscribed. NYT and WP will soon go the way of prior "mainstream" publications like Saturday Evening Post and LIFE. Their approach no longer works.
He knows exactly who he is emulating!
I keep thinking if people knew what Hitler was going to do, would he have been killed to prevent the whole thing!
Most German threads on social medias identified it pretty clearly and are shocked that US news don’t call it what it is: the fascist salute used by the Nazis and Mussolini’s black shirts. This is such a shameful move on… MLK day!
it wasn't about eggs, his voters are fascists and hoping for some of the new federal jobs. please share media sites that still do journalism without fear, Bluesky is one. We still have some laws and some courts. Focus on midterms
No, you actually can't. August, September and October, as part of Amy Goodman's war on Kamala Harris, she ignored immigration policies. There were five stories. Two said Kamala was bad. Two said Kamala and Trump were both bad. One covered Trump in his 1st term without noting his plans for 2025
So she failed at her job of informing and covering because it was more important to her to bring on guests who trashed Kamala -- Socialists posing as Democrats. She's a fake. And don't get started on how much she steals from Pacifica.
and Occupy Democrats and Democracy Docket
Jessica Denson has important guests on that most people are too scared to cover. Unfortunately that includes MTN, but they serve a lesser purpose of creating heckling material to belittle DJT,so far they refuse to take risks and address election meddling
What is the fucking point of even looking at the NYT, WAPO, etc.? Everyone needs to boycott them. They no longer have any credibility. That have all capitulated.
Not sure coz I haven't watched and then crosschecked with GROUNDNEWS which is btw a site where you can see the leanings of the site, what stories they think are important or not like is a 3yo being strangled by their stepdad more important than which batroom a 12yo transgender -might- use
I want to subscribe to @nytimes.com and @washingtonpost.com just so I can unsubscribe AGAIN.
Both institutions have coasted on the veneer of respectability while descending to the depths of National Enquirer and Weekly World News. I hope they both rot and collapse, we don't need them anymore.
Trump’s flag flies alongside a swastika frequently. No one from Trumpland renounces that.
Reminder, assholes of the media: Nazis put 100s of thousands of toddlers, infants & children on trains, delivered and loaded them into gas chambers. Then killed them.
Shame and degradation.
Yep, obeying in advance and normalizing. How embarrassing to see that newspaper toe-ing the line instead of succinctly saying "Musk ignites firestorm online with Nazi salute."
Fuck leon.
Glad I dumped twitter
Glad I'll never buy a tesla,
And I never thought I'd root for the ship exploding, but I hate leon more than I love space travel. So fuck him.
We all saw. But again we saw J6 happen live on TV and Twitter but of course, it was just a peaceful protest by a bunch of patriots. Graham and McConnell saw J6 for what it was, at least in a statement us lawyers call an excited (very excited) utterance, but, O well. Here we are.
Mitch could have impeached Trump when the opportunity presented itself and we wouldn’t be in this position today had he done his damn job but no, he left it to the courts.
They are owned by rich republicans. STOP thinking this is normal. In fact, I think this last little while has shown us how badly the media manipulates people and always has. Of course, lack of critical thinking skills MAKE them manipulatable. And THAT is a failing of education.
But that’s what they’re gonna do they’re gonna always make you think you’ve done something wrong or you don’t have the intelligent level to understand what truthfully happened
I pray god makes all the news station and social sites and people behind propping up Trump have to see the mother who does because of the abortion she needed to survive, I hope they have to see the vet who takes his life because he can’t afford to get help, I hope the little children cries haunt
Cried because dad worked the fields and because he’s not a USA citizen they send him back , I hope they have to watch ALL middle class Americans now become poor and suffer , Becuase of the news and propaganda they made this possible for trump and Elon they need to see the suffering
Oh they know. Everyone should drop all billionaires media. And use the money to support the creation of a real journalistic platform. Gather all journalists that have left the WPost, the times, etc. and begin anew. I will donate and support it.
Any f'ing sane person who even remotely learned any history KNOWS what that is... and there is no speculation about it. Indeed, Legacy media, on all fronts, have failed America again.
So, if he was rocking a klansman hood and holding a tiki torch, the headline would be 'Is He Starting a New Trend? What Does It Mean?'—Seriously? Come on,only 49.9% are sheeple! The rest of us aren’t that gullible. I mean,if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, the question is if its a cat??
Unfortunately they're just getting started. They love over the top performative displays of enthusiasm and fake patriotism. MAGA will love this. They may even claim it's a brand new gesture. 🤦🏻♂️
"speculation"?
There's no "speculation" required.
That is NOT the Bellamy Salute.
That is the full blown, no doubt about it, NAZI salute.
You people went and elected the NAZI party.
Fred Trump would be so proud of you!
Elon knew what he was doing. Why are people excusing this behavior. The next earthquakes will be caused by the collective roll-overs of all the veterans who fought against Hitler & their families who supported our actions in WWII. Nazis are bad, no way to gloss over it.
I’m sure it was a pathetic attempt to “own the libs” or something. I’d bet money that a random cryptobro on Discord or Twitter Spaces dared him to. He thinks of himself as the most clever shitposter when in reality he’s just a piece of shit.
i guarentee it was. he thought it would be hilarious to throw out a nazi salute to "own the libs" becasue he knew wed all be upset and he never matured past the maturity of a 12 year old edgelord.
Call it what it is, Nazi. In the old days, they call it far-right, fascism they think they are better than everyone. And all others are beneath them. Boot on the neck. Understand?
What *speculation*? Even if that wasn't the intended meaning, we all collectively know that anything resembling at nazi salute is in bad taste. Anyone normal anyway.
Just remember that the producers answer to the billionaire owners who answer to Trump. I hope they stay fair and impartial. Morning Joe soured me on the whole MSNBC.
Rachel and Lawrence will NOT capitualte, but the owners of MSNBC may tell them to stop reporting the truth about trump and his administration’s anti-democracy activities. Rachel and Lawrence will both leave MSNBC rather than stop fully informing their viewers of the truth. Where can they go then???
Me, too! Plus, I don’t need to be a member to get a cute emoji that I donated $$$$$ like ‘Evangelical Mega Church’ style, like the new You Tube platform talking heads😉. I just subscribe since some are good, but zero $ from me😎
Added the NY times and Washington Post yesterday, in hopes that they would wake the fk up. I'll give them a month. If no change, they will be blocked. PERIOD.
They betrayed all of us during the election campaign and before that. Why give them another shot, when we know they appease fascism? Many good journalists have already left them.
Yep. Read the Times, especially the Sunday Times, from cover to cover for many years. My hope is that "true" journalism will return, especially when they see what the monster will do in one month.
Legacy media is confirming what many of us have known for years if not decades- they are bought and paid for full stop. Before, they at least had the veneer of authenticity. Now the rot is so bad they don't even feel the need for that
After more than 500,000 American dead in World War II, it is shocking that a brainless man would make that salute on the presidential podium of the United States. Not even if it were involuntary. I hope that the children of the relatives of the fallen will remind him of this in many ways.
In the early days of nazi Germany, newspapers that were not supportive of the fuhrer either went out of business or were purchased by a prominent nazi who made a ton of money. Jews who owned newspapers fled the country.
Or it might well be the other way around. Perhaps this time the white nationalists are the ones being used.
I'm just saying - people have been waiting for an anti-racist backlash to slow Trump down, and yet his appeal has been growing among ethnic minorities.
Actions speak louder than words - Musk's support for Germany's far-right AfD, calling it the "last spark of hope," highlights his alignment with extremist views on immigration, nationalism. His backing mirrors Bannon's The Movement, which pushes far-right ideologies across Europe.
My grandfather’s cousin, Sir Roy Wekensky, was the former Prime Minister of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and one of the architects of the Apartheid movement. I don’t think Musk’s Nazi salute had any hidden meaning/agenda. I believe it was exactly as it appeared & representative of what lies ahead for US.
No. WE are the reason that we are in this mess. WE wanted this. Long ago THEY showed us who they were, and through OUR exercise of OUR democratic process, WE chose them to lead US. If we fix US, THEY will disappear back to where they came from.
I turned it off earlier than usual last night. (Which I almost never do.) I'm hoping she comes back with a correction or something tonight. I'll keep listening to her, because I do trust her, but I will recognize that free speech is already partly stifled.
So the ADL doesn't think a guy who has stated he wants the AfD far right party in Germany to take power, performs a perfect Nazi salute twice, and they don't know that it's a Nazi salute? Wow! Just Wow! I guess they will hold back judgment until they start rounding up Jews.
Im still stunned but I went down a 🐰hole and it turns out they’ve been cozy for awhile. I don’t know who is paying who and for what but something is going on.
No, it cost her nothing to make that attack. She's not Jewish and members of the ADL are. And of course, it suits her to claim Jews have power. She's always believed that.
In fact, this rightly scares the ADL. But they have to tread very carefully because in reality, they ARE powerless here.
Her response is pathetic actually. She should be focusing her energies on the real enemies of progressive politics - Musk and the ghastly new Trump administration.
Not taking time to attack a Jewish organisation on the very day that community has to endure Musk cosplaying a Nazi.
To me that we have allowed all forms of freedom of speech to happen. Frankly…Nazism, Fascism, White Supremacy, marching, gesturing, hate speech etc should never have been something we just frowned at. It is deeply offensive and it should be criminal, because it isn’t here we are folks….😞
I lost respect for the ADL when they basically labeled all pro-Palestine rallies as anti-Semitic (despite Jews attending and sometimes organizing them). As a transgender woman I’m glad I wasn’t born in Gaza but that doesn’t mean I think Palestinians should be bombed out of existence.
Almost all so called pro-Palestine rallies ARE anti-Semitic. That's part of the problem. The reality is that the bulk of the protests work under the lie of genocide, the lie that Jews are colonizes of our own homeland, etc.
The "bombed out of existence" rhetoric is a perfect example. They're not! That's the point. THEY ARE NOT BEING BOMBED OUT OF EXISTENCE. This is TYPICAL modern urban warfare brought on by Hamas, a fascist theocratic colonizing force.
No, being bombed out of existence would actually be more humane. Instead they’re left to die from starvation or disease. Israel’s response is in NO WAY PROPORTIONAL to the attack from Hamas. Israel is also a fascist colonizing force. Top Israeli leaders have said the Palestinians should be removed.
Right on brand for NYT
"When people show you who they are?
Believe them!"
Elon Musk is a fucking NAZI!
If there was any justice?
His assets would be frozen, government contracts cancelled, his citizenship revoked & his ass would be kicked out of US before midnight https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lg7d3oxj4k2q
#NaziMusk
Hey NYT: no one is puzzled about Musk’s hand motions, except maybe your editorial board & corporate shareholders. No wonder anyone with a conscience cancelled their subscriptions! Keep it up!
The main stream media journalist remain silent on Trump's January 19th rally admission that Elon Musk rigged the election. He specifically thanked Elon for whatever he did to the vote counting machines.
Yes, NYT, the gesture is Roman, just like the swastika is Hindu. But both were appropriated by the fucking Nazis. #Resist #GOPFascistTraitors #KnowYourDeplorables
Even better, there is no historical evidence for the "Roman salute". Mussolini saw it in a painting and liked it, then adopted it for the Italian Fascist Party.
Here is a link with the video of Musk giving the NAZI / fascist salute - twice! This was clearly deliberate, and there are no other ways to interpret such a firm, dramatic and well-known gesture:
That's when I left the democratic party. I vote democratic 100% of the time, but am now registered independent. Of course, the nightmare could have ended again, but the democrats let this happen again. Sometimes I wonder if democrats and republicans aren't just 2 different heads of the same snake?
My parents are dead but lived through WWII. They had a copy of Hitler’s book, Mein Kampf. It scared me when I was young. But they had it to remind them that the evil must never be repeated. Oops.
I have a lot of (had, they got old and most are gone now) relatives who volunteered to go fight Hitler and the Nazis. And now the fuckers are in charge.
They’re in the pocket of the billionaires and nazis of course they’re going to be coy about a hitler salute. They literally are supported by the nazis.
I do not own a Tesla, but I don’t think that’s accurate or fair. People bought or ordered teslas long before Musk openly showed this side of himself. A car is a car, let’s not become as bad as they are.
If you bought it a long time ago you're excused. But if you decide to buy a Tesla now you are fully aware that you are sending your money to a right wing extremist who's making Nazi salutes.
Agreed. But there is no way to know the difference simple by driving by a Tesla owner. So maybe we identify the Nazi sympathizers by whether they Heil Hitler or not, not by the car they drive.
I know several Tesla’s owners & I do not believe that’s a fair assessment. It’s a dangerous path to walk, making sweeping judgements. The other side says all immigrants are criminals, which we know isn’t true. Why would we do the same?
After WWII many Americans refused to buy German cars. Now that trump is taking away tax incentive for electric cars, it will be easy for people to not buy Tesla.
I said this hours ago..we are in the age where we will be told, don't believe what you see with your own eyes, don't believe what you hear with your own ears....this is it right here...they sane washed him...had they been more critical we wouldn't be here
“Blessed Be the Fruit”The standard greeting amongst Gilead residents. The traditional reply is “May the Lord open.” “Under His Eye”: The Gileadean equivalent of “Aloha” — it works as both a hello and a goodbye.
Listen where I come from I believe what people show me as their character. THERE IS NO OTHER MEANING TO THIS SALUTE THAN THE NAZI SALUTE! I am already so fucking sick of Trump and his minions ugh
It goes back to the 2016 election cycle. IMO Maggie H helped get Trump elected and it's no different this time around. Spineless fucks will be spineless fucks.
What kind of speculation was there after a roman salute and changing his screen name to a common white nationalist name, and backing actual White nationalists in Germany in a tweet?
They are going to have a hell of a time over there at the grey lady keeping their knees clean.
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There are some great people who work in legacy media but whitewashing the most insane behavior is how we ended up here.
I keep thinking if people knew what Hitler was going to do, would he have been killed to prevent the whole thing!
Legacy media has failed. Time to move on to actual news such as:
Meidastouch News
The Bulwork
Secular Talk
Brian Tyler Cohen
What a weird world
ProPublica
and Rolling Stone has surprisingly risen to the occasion several times.
Jessica Denson has important guests on that most people are too scared to cover. Unfortunately that includes MTN, but they serve a lesser purpose of creating heckling material to belittle DJT,so far they refuse to take risks and address election meddling
Heather Cox Richardson substack
Both institutions have coasted on the veneer of respectability while descending to the depths of National Enquirer and Weekly World News. I hope they both rot and collapse, we don't need them anymore.
It's not worth it.
George Orwell, 1984
And yet the NYT and even @theguardian.com prevaricated. Not daring to call a spade a spade, or a fucking Nazi a fucking Nazi.
1. He did what he did.
2. You saw what you saw
3. It meant what it meant
4. You know what you know
They all left there laughing with big 'broners'
Do not let the 'broligarchy' tell you any differently. I will not be gaslighted by Trump.
Why I cancelled them as well as the WP.
Reminder, assholes of the media: Nazis put 100s of thousands of toddlers, infants & children on trains, delivered and loaded them into gas chambers. Then killed them.
Shame and degradation.
America has just been insulted.
Musk is just following patriots, that some people call extreme right!
Glad I dumped twitter
Glad I'll never buy a tesla,
And I never thought I'd root for the ship exploding, but I hate leon more than I love space travel. So fuck him.
https://www.nytimes.com/1933/01/31/archives/hitler-puts-aside-aim-to-be-dictator-german-cabinet-also-reveals.html
It is a Heil Hitler.
It is a Nazi Salute.
The New York Times is dead.
Long live the times
🚬😎
They now are like a fish flopping around on the shore searching for oxygen.
Don’t give them any.
The media and journalists I grew up listening to treated us like adults. They told the truth and expected us to understand it and face it.
My god. Are we ever in trouble.
The meaning is really really simple. Let me spell it out for you:
N A Z I.
See how simple that was.
Hide the facts ... try to make people feel sorry for him ... white-washing
Elon Musk's biographer warns the billionaire is going mad and could endanger us all - says he is deeply unwell.
Musk has acknowledged his severe drug use (ketamine for depression), mental illness, and debilitating stress.
That train left the station years ago
FOAD ELMO YOU NAZI PRICK
There's no "speculation" required.
That is NOT the Bellamy Salute.
That is the full blown, no doubt about it, NAZI salute.
You people went and elected the NAZI party.
Fred Trump would be so proud of you!
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1881599434892722586?s=46&t=eo4buJpCd8mpV3Eb1J3Cpg
Just sayin’.
You’re the one consumed by anxiety, maybe seek help?
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1881599434892722586?s=46&t=eo4buJpCd8mpV3Eb1J3Cpg
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One of the biggest errors people make in studying history is expecting the patterns of the recent past to be perpetuated.
It really is a class war.
You are correct that history doesn't exactly repeat itself, but this BS is way too similar to the original NAZI movement.
I'm just saying - people have been waiting for an anti-racist backlash to slow Trump down, and yet his appeal has been growing among ethnic minorities.
OMG!!! Thankyou for that!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
https://youtu.be/qTz6EU79SGM?si=9aUquMYL4ad47SI1
“Raised eyebrows”??
I’d laugh if it wasn’t so fucking sad.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-apple-video-1.7003024
What
A
Mystery
What
Could
He
Have
Been
Signaling
The admitted apartheid supporting racist
Who twice within seconds
Gave the heil Hitler Nazi salute
We've seen him champion actual German Nazis
IN GERMANY
Very recently
AbsoFKNlutely
Not playing
Oh what can it be
Everyone knows
SHAME
NYT
And she tends to be really quick to point out what we can see with our own eyes. 👀
Et tu Rachel?
In fact, this rightly scares the ADL. But they have to tread very carefully because in reality, they ARE powerless here.
Not taking time to attack a Jewish organisation on the very day that community has to endure Musk cosplaying a Nazi.
"When people show you who they are?
Believe them!"
Elon Musk is a fucking NAZI!
If there was any justice?
His assets would be frozen, government contracts cancelled, his citizenship revoked & his ass would be kicked out of US before midnight
https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lg7d3oxj4k2q
#NaziMusk
Also, Musk is a NAZI SCUMBAG‼️😡
And the times obfuscating the fact makes me sick‼️
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi
Even more true in 2025
Punch a Nazi!
#MakeMuskPay
We stopped in 1942.
Guess why, NYT!
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elon-musk-salute
In 2016 Democratic primaries, workers voted in their best interest, but elites selected a creep Trump could easily beat
This nightmare never had to happen, we tried to stop it
the revolution is now.
Even from his grave he can tell what this salute means.
George Orwell 1984
They are going to have a hell of a time over there at the grey lady keeping their knees clean.