Jeez. Trump actually just said it. He actually just said that Ukraine shouldn't have started this war! He’s actually siding with a crazed, murderous dictator
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I have a parent and great grandparents that emigrated from Europe when the borders arbitrarily changed according to whoever had the biggest guns,or the most money or power. And weren't we supposed to learned from the millions that died to so it couldn't happen again?
The deal he envisages is a carve-up between himself and Putin (particularly the minerals). Zelenskyy will be threatened with removal of US support, so if Europe doesn't step up to the plate it will all be over.
If they repeat often enough, people who are stupid enough, believe it. We know what Russia did and I tell everyone constantly. Go Ukraine. Go Zelensky!! Fuck Putin. Fuck Trump. Fuck Leon Skum!!!
Does he believe this shit or was it something he overheard on a communication with Putin. OF course not bowing down and surrendering can be seen by a tyrant as not towing the line
Trump is right on Ukraine ... Hard to admit b/c he's nuts on other issues.
No chance of Ukraine winning. Hundreds of thousands of dead. The longer they wait, the more territory they will lose in a settlement.
Ukraine never asked to 'win' anything. It didn't pick this fight. It did not seek to acquire Russian land. it simply wants to return to the previously established borders. As someone said, Russia stops fighting and the war is finished. Ukraine stops fighting and Ukraine is finished.
US used Ukraine to weaken Russia - explicitly stated by politicians.
US promoted a coup which ignited a Ukrainian war against eastern provinces.
Crossed several Russian red lines like NATO membership, despite warnings from experts.
It's a tragedy
True. Z also supported efforts to smear Trump through Russiagate, so he's thinking payback.
I don't support T, but he has recognized the foolishness of the war, and how it's counter-productive to interests of US, Russia and Ukraine.
It is indeed a foolish and counter-productive war. It could be so much worse though. Imagine if Ukraine hadn't had the capacity and guts to push Russian forces back in those first few days and weeks? Putin's forces would be knocking on NATO's back doors. At very least.
How many people are russia making dissappear in the occupied parts of Ukraine, ie EXecuting. So the peace Russia proposes would result in the same ie Death of thousands of Ukrainians. Where is the incentive not to fight, better to die with honour than being tortured to death in a Russian Gulag
Elections cancelled, opposition parties not allowed, strongarm tactics to get people into front lines, dissidents harassed and persecuted. Small but powerful ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi groups.
Russian speakers marginalized.
All have been in the news, just not featured in MSM.
Think the same thing happened with hitler in the 1930s.
People choose hope over their fears, and were cowardly rather than couragous. They let Franco overthow the spanish govt, and hitler take the sudatenland, before they acted!
Trump is so brain addled that he probably can't remember that far back. He has trouble remembering past the previous day. Makes him easy to manipulate. I wonder if we are all wrong about his mental decline. Could he have the same affliction as Henry VIII? His philandering makes him a candidate.
Yes Pam, stage 3, I think they call it. Unlike other US presidents he has never released his medical situation and the media has never preesd about it. At 78, they should, irrespective of whether people think he has Syphilis.
The trouble is that everyone will say he's mad/living in a misinformation bubble etc etc, but he will remain a pivotal figure in the negotiations, and the other parties will normalise this. Commentators will say "he's trying to shock the Europeans into action, " and carry on talking to him.
His nothing but a yellow spineless coward! And a paid moscow asset the world should ignore him, he's going to destroy America and it's reputation on the world stage for years to come, just my opinion
He’s either suffering from dementia or gone mad. I wonder who feeds him this nonsense. Or is the pretence it’s part of some genius master plan . I doubt it
Was there ever any doubt? he is cosplaying at being a leader this whole time and pretending that he seriously was going to get a peaceful agreement when in reality he is nothing but Putin’s lil bitch and a traitor
He was also talking about people living in US who are over the age of 300 years old. He’s gone complete batshit. All is the drivel of a raging senile lunatic.
Trump est un pauvre type il donne l’Ukraine à la Russie. Trump ment comme il respire il est tellement malhonnête. C’est comme ci c’était les ukrainiens qui avaient commencé la guerre. C’est le plus grand traître du 21 siècles…. Va trahir les américains comme il trahit tout le monde.
Soon people will realise that the Trump administration is not an ally as we've known other US administrations to be. Time for the UK & Europe to stand up and push back strongly.
Europeans must take off the diplomatic gloves and tell Trump they are not taking this garbage from him. He isn't an honest negotiator and should feck off back to the Whitehouse !
What would you expect from such a POS? He can’t speak anything true. I swear I have never known a single person in my life who lies as much as the supposed “president” (choking) lies.
Oh dear. Russia seems to have totally fucked the West and we’ve allowed it. I’m shocked but also in absolute awe of their attack campaign. That’s social engineering on a global scale. Who would have thought our security services would allow these fake patriots this amount of leeway.
Now Trump is pissed because Zelenskij didn’t bend over and accept that that US should get 50% of all minerals in Ukraine to keep getting support from US. Who on earth shamelessly exploits a country that is being attacked by a neighbor?
The President, in his late 70s, does not understand the basics of his largest foreign policy mission, and as a result risks doing irrevocable damage to the world and the United States.
25th amendment time, guys.
You are surprised??? He wants to be in the axis of evil and he is trying to take us there!!! China, Russia & USA to take the world into fascism!!! When is enough enough!!!
he already started acting like one himself when he talked about seizing the Panama Canal, Canada, Greenland and Gaza. He seemingly wants to be a better Putin
Between 2016 & ‘24, Trump’s behavior has evolved notably. In 2016, his speeches were concise and focused, emphasizing economic policies and national security. By 2024, they became longer, more disjointed, and increasingly fixated on past grievances, with a rise in negative and profane language. 🤔
He’s being manipulated… he really is a weak man with no social skills or competence… his newly appointed sidekick has him fully under his control & fraudulently got him that seat! It’s so obvious. #Investigate! What are you doing???? 🇺🇸 🤯 #US where have yr normal ppl gone??🤷♂️🤷♀️ #Harris
Now Amerika we will begin to see that Oceania is at war with East Asia ... Oceania has always been at war with East Asia..
(Don't know the reference? Google 1984 by George Orwell..."Double Think"...
One of Trump's spokeswomen on Victoria Derbyshire's show actually called Ukraine and its European allies the "opposition" to Trump and Putin. Very telling.
This is exactly what Putin has been telling the Russian people. That’s why so many of them continue to support the war - they truly believe that it was started by Ukraine.
I wonder if Trump can pull the same thing off in the US. He does gloat about how poorly educated his supporters are.
Where's the red line? Seriously, is there anything he can say that would finally make all the media, all the world leaders, actually call it out in blunt terms for the outrageous lie that it is?
Interesting point...I think you're right inasmuch as the media etc has been corrupted and weaponised, I'm naive enough to believe that we as individuals can still make a difference though. 🤔
I don't think there is one. He proved that last time. This time he's going full on batshit because it provides cover for the truly nasty stuff his cronies and puppet masters are actually doing.
I agree with you, everything is a smokescreen for everything else... nobody can keep up. They need to start calling him out though, we know from history that we can't appease fascists!
I agree. Journalists are in a feeding frenzy and loving the fact there's a new story every 5 mins. Great for ratings and clicks. I think I'm part of the problem though as I disengaged in November as I couldn't face 4 years of 'I told you so' as the shit show unfolds. Ignore=appease
Difficult though isn't it. I want to keep on top of things but there's every chance that things will get on top of me. The next few years are going to be exhausting and I think we're all going to have to be kind to ourselves to maintain sanity in an insane world. 😕
Exactly right. I had a bad time a few years ago and so am very conscious of trying to keep outside noise down, then I'm starting to feel guilty about not being on top of things. There's a balance somewhere that I'm yet to find
That's it. All this doom and gloom has sucked the life out of me. We know the direction this will take us, and that's hard to accept. It's easier to turn a blind eye but then we all lose.
Twitter and 24 hour news have led "journalists" to be constantly posting the next breaking news story rather than doing actual journalism. And in the UK we've had ten years of constant car crashes - Brexit, Covid, Johnson, Truss, Sunak - that a whole generation thinks this is what journalism is.
Only, referring to it as a smokescreen suggests that he doesn’t really mean it. Evidence suggests that he does mean it, and he will follow thru on these statements. Countries must stop hanging on US administration statements then acting surprised. Make brave independent decisions instead.
I think he absolutely means it but there's an understanding they can't actually do all of it. 25% of a lot of nasty stuff is still a lot! Take this Russia farce at the moment, no way it'll work but we're talking about it rather than lots of other things
You totally get it. For some reason intelligence "experts" layers, politicians, journalists seem to keep forgetting that THEY were talking about this endlessly for years.
I'm following you cos you've clearly got several more clues than these guys.
He said this before . He has said it almost slipping it in when babbling an incoherent answer. He has said it enough now that his numb brain is convinced.
Good old projection as an interpersonal influence tactic carried out by emotionally wounded person. With European experience, it is difficult to overlook that both the Nazis and the Communists systematically resorted to this very tactic during their period of rise.
A lot of what he says just comes unchecked, out of his senile head. He just waffles. You can tell he knew he'd said something ridiculous. Like when he was talking about EU tarrifs and then switched to UK. He didn't mean to say UK but then just carries on like it wasn't a mistake. He's senile.
He is so stupid, seems completely ignorant and doesn't care about the fact that he is lying. He devalues human intelligence and is a narcissist in his worst guise.
My born in the 19th century Grandfather, while Polish, was raised in an extensive contact with German culture. Which he admired. Fluent German speaker etc.
German Nazism was a shock to him. As it was to much of the European population. We could not believe.
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🇷🇺 invaded in 2022 & clearly wants the minerals but also to get rid of any 🇺🇦 who do not accept being occupied & under 🇷🇺's thumb.
🇺🇦 existed long before 🇷🇺. 🇷🇺 has a long hx of trying to suppress 🇺🇦. 🇷🇺≠🇺🇦
Anything he says will be barmy.
No chance of Ukraine winning. Hundreds of thousands of dead. The longer they wait, the more territory they will lose in a settlement.
US promoted a coup which ignited a Ukrainian war against eastern provinces.
Crossed several Russian red lines like NATO membership, despite warnings from experts.
It's a tragedy
I don't support T, but he has recognized the foolishness of the war, and how it's counter-productive to interests of US, Russia and Ukraine.
Russian speakers marginalized.
All have been in the news, just not featured in MSM.
Then we need lots of other leaders to follow that example, and to start an anti Trump group of countries!
Think the same thing happened with hitler in the 1930s.
People choose hope over their fears, and were cowardly rather than couragous. They let Franco overthow the spanish govt, and hitler take the sudatenland, before they acted!
And the enemy is US
Russia DID interfere in 2016 and got more than they could ever have hoped for.
He has also stated in public, on video, that the Capitol Police caused the Jan 6 violence because the police attacked trump’s mob.
There is NO LIE TOO BIG for THE FELON IN CHIEF!
The LIE is the basis for all FRAUD.
#TraitorTrump
#BenedictDonald
Shame on you for disrespecting Ukraine.
Shame.
There are too many people ready to believe Trump's lies.
That’s why the EU will be firm.
This is just bloody crazy
Does Trump know what he is saying or has he just lost any sense of reality
But whatever it is / the UK, Europe et al has to come together in this
It’s clear that Trump is as dangerous actually as Putin
For three yrs, Ukrainians have been attacked by Putin & his madmen
And Trump blames THEM for being invaded
So he is annoyed at Zelensky for not just rolling 3 yrs ago & for not allowing Putin to take all
Am speechless
You may be on to something
Maybe this was payback because Zelensky didn’t sign over the minerals
But Trump really is a sick xxxx
Seeing Zelensky today so tired and exhausted / broke my heart
He is 100 times the leader Trump will ever be
Trump would have abandoned his people 3 yrs ago
Told his aides in 2017 -"Ukraine wasn’t a “real country,” that it had always been a part of Russia.”. Reported in the Washington Post in 2019 .
Then we need lots of other leaders to follow that example, and to start an anti Trump group of countries!
I don’t know what I was thinking
Trump called Jan 6 a ‘day of love’, didn’t he
So no surprise he’d flip the script in terms of Russia & Ukraine and just blame Ukraine for all
He really is an unbelievable piece of xxxx
“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.”
“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine – of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-russia-smart/index.html
25th amendment time, guys.
This war could be over in a minute if Russia left Ukraine. They are the oppressors.
Trump is an ignorant narcissistic fool
Zelensky has 4% approval, lie
Usa has given $300b, lie
Why isn't he pulled up on this shit?
(Don't know the reference? Google 1984 by George Orwell..."Double Think"...
NATO cannot trust US anymore
So how Mr Rutte will react on such disgraceful lie and obvious siding with Russia …?
What he's not done is condemn Putin. For anything. Ever.
I wonder if Trump can pull the same thing off in the US. He does gloat about how poorly educated his supporters are.
Then we need lots of other leaders to follow that example, and to start an anti Trump group of countries!
Then we need lots of other leaders to follow that example, and to start an anti Trump group of countries!
FTFY.
Then we need lots of other leaders to follow that example, and to start an anti Trump group of countries!
And GB News proscribed, just like Russia today.
If they're losing £100,000,000, they're being bank rolled by somebody very, very, very rich.
It's not even hidden. It's not in the bowels of the CIA it's in court documents, on 24 news, on Twitter.
I wish people would stop asking "Why is he/they doing this?"
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Musk is a Russian ally.
Now, so is America.
The fascist countries are banding together.
The free countries must now band together too.
And as individuals, buy anything but American, buy anything but Russian.
I'm following you cos you've clearly got several more clues than these guys.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-invades-ukraine-largest-europe-attack-wwii.amp
December 5, 1994 everyone signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances.
Why do they need anther one?
Putin broke his promise. The rapist is breaking the US' promise.
Now Ukraine has to sign another agreement with the same group?!?
Just sayin'
German Nazism was a shock to him. As it was to much of the European population. We could not believe.