It’s interesting how third party options seem to grow more viable the further from POTUS we get.
Local elections seem to attract more diversity in candidates. Presidential campaigns are muted echoes where a left leaning moderate like VP Harris is presented like the “Left’s best chance.”
Because she clearly isn’t the Left’s anything. But as you know, she’ll be presented as a “more left than the opposition” option.
We need to break out of the two-party obsession. Until then Leftists essentially have to choose between throwing away a vote or settling—that’s not democracy.
If you don't like the laws you could run for office and change them. If a prosecutor is following the law, it's kinda what they're supposed to do. Do something about it. A third party vote is yours to cast, but I'm not sure it's the change agent you think it is.
Yes there is. This inability / unwillingness to sell myself out to the highest bidder and harm the average person to serve my corporate overlords holds me back. 👍
People who don’t know what democracy is gave it away. Nobody stole anything, people were just more interested in themselves and their phones and social media. Either complain or work to fix the problem.
if she can be 'torn down' because some random tranny online accurately points out her dogshit record on a niche microblogging website then she has bigger issues
Maybe (with my IT skills I wouldn't bet on it) .... but I'm curious to know why you limit your attack to Harris. Even if she's not everything you want, in a two-horse race she's a hell of a lot better than the alternative
Because she is a presidential candidate, and none of my friends here need to be told how bad Trump is. It is not a two-horse race. I will be voting for someone other than Harris or Trump.
Then - in all sincerity - good luck + I hope your candidate wins. I just find it hard to believe that is going to happen: if I had a vote (I'm on the wrong side of the millpond, so I don't) my overriding objective would be to keep Trump out, and I don't see anyone other than Harris achieving that.
B);Even if it were real, that is Better than doing a Nazi style mass round up and deportation, which will then be turned on "enemies" (aka any regular citizens that disagreed with Trump).
A senile narcissist dictator is so clearly what our founders were all about, right? 🙄🤡
Yup. Rewind a bit. Republicans Bill and Hillary Clinton met GOP strategist Dick Morris in 1978, took the White House in 1992. Both were friends of Trump. They "captured" the Democratic party. Kamala is part of that merger. Here's a check Trump wrote when she was running for AG in California.
It goes much deep than that in terms of the damage the Clintons did. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was put into place to these oligarchs could control the media and do to us what they are currently doing.
Indeed, "media consolidation" is a mild term for fascist control of all news sources, including social platforms, and even music, which used to be an avenue for activism, is enemy territory. Gaming is rife with indoctrination, as well.
very cool, now where's you link to the mutual aid you've built to help ex convicts lad back on their feet? or are you just another empty rhetoric would be Walmart firebomber?
I think pointing put that is still the lesser of two genocides is a fair point to make. Two party systems have little accountability to their citizens.
While I do not agree with what she did in the past, I can hope her attitude has changed, because it hasn't for the other guy...
I will vote for her, but mostly because I don't feel a third party has a chance yet, and the fight again the Fascism of the Republicans is something I am not risking.
I am not trying to sell her to anyone that has been responding here. Most of you seem like cult members. I do know my audience. That is why I'm not bothering. 👍
So your strategy is to vote for an irrelevant person in 2024 when one of the 2 major candidates is openly advocating authoritarian policy and you don't feel like spreading the word about your winning 3rd party candidate?
So, how reality works, is that you are saying you're fine with Trump as pres.
Yeah, I wish we could push the Independent options harder, but half the states don't even bother putting them on ballot, and write-ins can't make up for the discrepancy when the media ignores them(and the truth) entirely, causing them to get little to no traction in many states
Absolutely. Have been blocked by a few hundred of them already today. If only I could get that small trashcan under my kitchen sink to take itself out as easily. 🥳
How is voting for someone who has zero chance of getting elected an option? It's a fake option, at this point. Only benefit I can see of voting that way is purely selfish - so you can tell yourself you didn't vote for one of the evil ones. I wish you luck changing that shitty situation, fwiw.
I have zero chance of winning anything by voting for a corrupt candidate that, if elected, wouldn't represent me or my interests in any way. That is how it is with D or R. This isn't a sports game.
The brain worm guy, or the Russian doll?
We could've had Gore, the champion of climate change disaster, over Bush the war monger, if not for Nader the alternative.
The world runs on "A or B?".
Whos policies are closer inline with you, the felon or the prosecutor?
There will be THREE people on the ballot form. You really do not have better options. The best thing you could possibly vote for in the long term, is the person most likely to perpetuate the democratic system. Anything else you tell yourself is kidology.
There will be about 10 choices for president on my ballot, including a spot to write-in a candidate. I am free to choose whichever one I want, or write a name in. Democrats and Republicans will not be getting any vote from me. 👍
Give yourself a pat on the back for your electoral purity. But don't be surprised if you get a tap on the shoulder in years to come from the Thought Police.
Judging by your Basil Brush avatar, I'm guessing that you're British. Then you should know that Starmer told the electorate that there were only 2 choices: Labour or Con.
But Corbyn (Ind.) won his seat from a [millionaire] private-medicine CEO Starmer had parachuted in... & 5 other Independents 👇
won their seats from "safe" Labour incumbents: 4 of them campaigning on the Gaza issue. Another barely missed winning the current Health Minister's seat.
Labour + Dem leaders both back Israel 100%. In the UK, that has cost Labour seats. The duopoly IS beatable. Why not in the USA, as well?!
If there are just 3 people on the ballot form, it will be because DEMOCRATS forced the others off. If this is the "Democracy" that they're saving from Trump, I'm not supporting them. https://bsky.app/profile/jimmyhid1.bsky.social/post/3kxxdeco2ct24
They just want a dictatorship of their own party... which isn't all that different from GOP.
Sounds like you recognize that we don't actually have a democratic system, just the aesthetic of one, and you're invested in perpetuating the ritual of voting instead of actually fixing things.
A vote that lets Trump in will fix the system alright. There's much that's wrong with "Representative Democracy" - just look at how much the funding corrupts the system towards serving vested, wealthy interests. If aiming for perfect democracy whilst permitting autocracy to take hold is beyond dumb
You don't have a representative democracy. You're acting in defense of something that doesn't exist. One would think that you'd have realized this once the donors forced Biden to drop out.
Ok well let’s presume I’ve searched and found no viable alternatives. You claim you have. So would you please be willing to share what you found 🙂? Not trynna come down on you I’m just curious.
So you don't care about abortion rights, the environment, civil rights for LGBTQ folks just the long term establishment anarcho-socialist system?. Golly, good luck with that Claude.
Some of them I'm stringing along so the people who run the mute lists I subscribe to can notice them and add them to the appropriate list so I dont have to see them any longer. 👍
I just went through and added them all to my list.
Though it's more for personal use and meant to have a name and description to make them angry when they check clearsky, it's not necessarily a useful list.
I couldn't care less about anything Harris has done. My sole mission in LIFE is to vote against the adjudicated rapist, fraudster, liar, convicted felon, wannabe dictator and Epstein childfgging customer, trump. the end.
So you admit that you just vote for personalities rather than political platforms. Just like Trump supporters. There is a very good reason people call you Blue MAGA
lol...the description of trump wasn't "personalities," they're Crimes!🤣I'm voting for the prosecutor instead of the felon, no matter what their personalities are like.
You said you don’t care about the policy or political history of your candidate. All that’s left is personality. You are in the Blue MAGA cult, congrats!
Human rights? The Biden-Harris administration is currently funding a genocide using your tax dollars. Climate change? The Biden-Harris administration granted more oil extraction contracts than any cabinet in American history. More than 3x what Trump did. You live in a fantasy world.
So - again - since you can blatantly disregard actual policy and material outcomes of legislation, all you are left with is personalities. You are in a cult of personality, but instead of revolving around a singular person, it revolves around a capitalist genocidal political party.
Let's help each other I don't know what limbo we are yet but we aren't in the land of breath I saw my sister life support scene on her telling me she is on a breathing machine while she is here but her body is else some where
Obama was also a capitalist when he was elected and was still a capitalist when he left office. He’s still a capitalist today. What happened to moving to the left?
I’m not following your shitty links. Make your own arguments.
Obama is a fucking capitalist who ultimately worked for the benefit of the few. That’s how he got the job. If you were mesmerised by his skills as an orator and convinced he was something better than he was, that’s on you.
That is what you have to show for 15 years? I am against genocide. I am against the increasing levels of homelessness, poverty, rising suicide rates, and a lot more. Good luck getting people to vote in favor of those things. 👍
You want to be a radical and operate outside the system and that's fine. Community organizing is a powerful force and can combat a lot of issues that you care about. But one party is going to make your work slightly easier and one is going to make it much harder. Many people cannot afford Trump 2.0
I’ve been hearin’ “move [Democrat nominee/president] to the left” for years
And all I’ve seen is either very few who were sayin’ that do anythin’ to do it, or the Democrat can’t be made to move left
All the “lesser” evil shit has told Democrats somethin’: they’ll still get votes
They don’t even gotta do the bare minimum, all they’ll do is be like “we’re not Republicans” and the votes come in
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“We support genocide, but we’re not Republicans” - votes
“We‘ve given more money to the police, but we’re not Republicans” - votes
“We’ve let ICE set up concentration camps, but we’re not Republicans” - and they get votes
—>
I can respect criticising the current political parties of the US, albeit not agreeing how you do it. BUT I can't respect using AI to create an image to criticise modern slavery, when AI does exactly this. It's theft.
Sadly, in a first-past-the-post election, generally just two candidate have any chance. One's trending toward learning and changing; the other's trending markedly toward oppression and genocide. Demanding perfection may saddle us all with autocracy.
Yup, that's me, totally brainwashed, absolutely nothing to do with decades of learning the lesson the hard way in every organizational setting I've ever been in.
Utopia sounds really nice, I hope to see you there soon!
It's decades of falling for the same propaganda over and over again. The mistake you're making is thinking your team is "good" or in this case... that there is "progress". They aren't and there isn't.
He ended up on someone's mute list that I subscribe to, so I wont have to see him again, but the last thing he wants someone to do is bring up her record. 🤣
Nah. She didn’t bust kids for simple possession. Dealers up the chain? Probably. She’s now trying to deschedulize it although. Not that lefties care about changing views or improving anything. It’s way more satisfying to bitch online.
She supported medical marijuana from the start and she did go after drug dealers, she didn’t actually prosecute for simple possession. Since then, she’s become pro-legalization and is now supporting federal deschedulization. Now, I’m sure it sucks that she agrees with you, but that’s her record.
You don’t even know what a fucking neolib is. Gate keeping punk rock is also proof you don’t know what the fuck you talking about that either. I am very much a man of the left, which is something you’ll never understand because it’s not a pose.
You are one 💀 Whining to actual leftists for not liking a Zionist cop is neo lib bullshit and it's not "gatekeeping" because it's not punk to be into a Zionist cop. Hope this helps.
She didn't jail people for possession - the anti-Harris folks mix up statewide numbers from when Harris was SF DA with the SF numbers, which were almost all handled with fines or less, not jail.
But Prop 215 needed growers to be supported as well.
Harris was really a latecomer to it, and didn't stop cops from harassing people, but fortunately it was effective decriminalization of the consumer side for those who could get medical cards (which in CA was "anybody with $25 and some aches and pains or anxiety", unlike GOP states.)
Let me clarify people. There’s cynicism and there’s optimism. There’s tearing shit down and there’s building on what you have. I’m for optimism and building on what you have. This seems a bit cynical to me, but an optimist has to answer to cynicism to have any integrity.
Or we can vote for the weirdos and freaks who are best too fucking old and cognitively near the end or the couch fucker who thinks rape is what marriage is all about. Troll on Claudenhoof
The only rational options are voting for the lesser evil or abstaining. If you're holding your breath for there to be a non-evil option, good luck. That's unlikely to happen in your lifetime no matter how young you are.
I dont have a godmother named teresa, and if I did, she would probably just want to take naps. Project 2025 is being used as a marketing gimmick by the Democratic Party to scare people into voting for them because they have nothing to offer voters.
She wouldn’t have been my first choice as DA but the number of people who got prison sentences for simple possession of marijuana went down when she was in charge
There’s no genocide in the country in which I live and vote. I’m not voting in a way that makes life worse here, for me and mine, just because the asshole of human civilization still can’t get its shit together.
I do just fine. You just can't understand things that cause you emotional discomfort. That is yet one more thing that is your problem, not mine. Hit the road.
But hey... I'm sure he can just like his hero.. there's got to be a couch in his place somewhere.. or at least some small cushions if he follows other Republican mentalities.
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Local elections seem to attract more diversity in candidates. Presidential campaigns are muted echoes where a left leaning moderate like VP Harris is presented like the “Left’s best chance.”
We need to break out of the two-party obsession. Until then Leftists essentially have to choose between throwing away a vote or settling—that’s not democracy.
My point is we need deeper change so the funneling into two parties doesn’t happen. Folks like us should have viable candidates that fit our views.
The only thing we can do is fight the system, and the only way I see that peacefully occuring is forcing the Democrats by withholding votes.
We have to live with the outcomes.
Seriously. Good faith question. Consider me undecided. Sell me on why I should vote for that person and they'll have my vote!
B);Even if it were real, that is Better than doing a Nazi style mass round up and deportation, which will then be turned on "enemies" (aka any regular citizens that disagreed with Trump).
A senile narcissist dictator is so clearly what our founders were all about, right? 🙄🤡
She is at least Coherent 🤣🤣
Liberal moment
#Classy
Get out.
I will vote for her, but mostly because I don't feel a third party has a chance yet, and the fight again the Fascism of the Republicans is something I am not risking.
I am curious of your justification on this.
So, how reality works, is that you are saying you're fine with Trump as pres.
Your handle further suggests that you're a conservative (or possibly just a libertarian)
Your options are Harris, Trump, or tossing your ballot in the trash.
We could've had Gore, the champion of climate change disaster, over Bush the war monger, if not for Nader the alternative.
The world runs on "A or B?".
Whos policies are closer inline with you, the felon or the prosecutor?
Also, having principles is something a person should pat themselves on the back for, but you wouldn't know anything about that. 👍
But Corbyn (Ind.) won his seat from a [millionaire] private-medicine CEO Starmer had parachuted in... & 5 other Independents 👇
Labour + Dem leaders both back Israel 100%. In the UK, that has cost Labour seats. The duopoly IS beatable. Why not in the USA, as well?!
https://bsky.app/profile/jimmyhid1.bsky.social/post/3kxxdeco2ct24
They just want a dictatorship of their own party... which isn't all that different from GOP.
Though it's more for personal use and meant to have a name and description to make them angry when they check clearsky, it's not necessarily a useful list.
The thing is, it kind of benefits her campaign to portray her like this, as sad as that might seem.
I’m voting for “See Donald Trump Die in Prison 2024.”
The Democrat getting elected is the only thing that will keep Trump from getting back in office with a project 2025.
Besides that, Harris will do better for human rights and climate change. Republicans will make it worse.
You're everything wrong with this country and the world would be better off without you and people like you.
Priorities:
1. Save democracy
2. Move Harris to the left
2. You make that same claim with every one of your candidates, but never do that.
I want to fix the system in one fell swoop as much as you do
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/01/03/obamas-top-50-accomplishments-revisited/
Obama is a fucking capitalist who ultimately worked for the benefit of the few. That’s how he got the job. If you were mesmerised by his skills as an orator and convinced he was something better than he was, that’s on you.
And all I’ve seen is either very few who were sayin’ that do anythin’ to do it, or the Democrat can’t be made to move left
They don’t even gotta do the bare minimum, all they’ll do is be like “we’re not Republicans” and the votes come in
—>
“We‘ve given more money to the police, but we’re not Republicans” - votes
“We’ve let ICE set up concentration camps, but we’re not Republicans” - and they get votes
—>
Can’t save democracy if Democrats can continue to do that shit over and over again
Lmfao how well did that work with Biden?
Google image search. Cheap bad photos hop but still. Hell, pen and paper and a scanner.
So...good work burning gallons of water for your ego I guess.
Sadly, in a first-past-the-post election, generally just two candidate have any chance. One's trending toward learning and changing; the other's trending markedly toward oppression and genocide. Demanding perfection may saddle us all with autocracy.
But go off!
Utopia sounds really nice, I hope to see you there soon!
'nuff said.
But Prop 215 needed growers to be supported as well.
Move along and ignore, people.
Meaning you're either a fascist plant or a useful idiot for the fascists. Either way, you're the problem, not me.
Come closer.
I got a secret to tell you.
Ready?
ANYONE LEFT OF *ACTUAL FUCKING FASCISTS WITH A PUBLIC DECLARATION TO DO EVIL* IS BETTER THAN THE FASCISTS AND WORTH WORKING WITH AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/MIGRATION-DEPORTATIONS/akpeoeoerpr/
Well, in RESPONSE, I submit the LATEST AND MOST THREATENING PROPOSAL FROM THE MAGAT CULT OF TRUMP:
PROJECT 2025...
So FUCK OFF, FASCISTS!
But hey... I'm sure he can just like his hero.. there's got to be a couch in his place somewhere.. or at least some small cushions if he follows other Republican mentalities.