It's really telling on you that you can't conceive of genocide on any level beyond "response to as an electoral strategy." Do you have any moral convictions or red lines you won't cross?
Sure, but they wouldn’t, didn’t, and never gave any indication they would. Their inaction is no excuse for inaction on the part of voters who were—at that point—the last line of defense.
But I guess some people felt it was more important to Make a Point. Whoops.
Look, I can only speak for myself as someone who voted dem but I think it's the job of the candidates to win voters, not the job of voters to fall in line for nothing; that's why we have campaigns in the first place. That they lost voters over Palestine is the democrats fault, they made that call.
Yes, giving a sex pest a platform to spread racism was a bad move that lost them voters. They chose to do that anyway. Voters didn't run the campaign, these clowns did. That's the issue. That's what caused this. The election is the result of the campaign. The campaign that didn't win votes.
Sure, in a normal. It’s also important to have enough situational awareness to realize the game is changing while there’s still time to redirect its trajectory.
Changing the USG’s policy on Israel was a non-starter for both parties, not just the presidential candidates. Voting had no effect there.
Damn, wish the democrats realized that before they decided to double down on funding crimes against humanity despite their base telling them that's the one thing they don't want to happen.
Again, I voted democrat for the reasons you outlined! But this dilemma only exists because the campaign created it and refused to do anything about it. It's their fault and nobody else.
preventing ~all this~ *wasn't* in the voters power though, that's the issue. If the democrats decided to actually stand for something and stick with it this would be a different story but they didn't. They chose not to and they lost. They looked at the options and chose to stand for nothing.
That’s oversimplified. “Stop funding genocide” is clearly good. “Allow terrorists to expand their power base” less so. Pretty much every option in the Middle East has been a lose lose proposition for decades.
I actually think it's bad to give bombs to people who show time and time again that they'll use it against schools and hospitals. I think the counterargument, that it's good to give bombs to people who use them against schools and hospitals, is not a very compelling one. So no, not oversimplified.
Wow that would be such a great counterargument if I supported Hamas. I don't though, so it seems to me that you're just trying to justify killing children.
If you’re so happy then why are these people happy too? Are you sure you’re not a fuck up falling for a joint AIPAC/Russian operation? No. Not you people. You’re not that fucking stupid. Nope.
You seem to be addicted to strawmen so I'll get this out of the way:
I don't support Hamas
I don't support Trump
I voted democrat
It's bad to give bombs to Israel so they can kill kids.
Interesting thesis but it seems to fall afoul of Occam's Razor. If anyone is going to manufacture a crisis to keep Netanyahu in power, its most likely to be Netanyahu himself. As for Trump winning the WH, Harris didn't need to support the genocide. Too many things had to go just right.
Are you calling me an asshole for pointing out that Trump is going to so far more harm to Palestinians and the pro Palestine anti Harris protestors fell for a social media opp and got played?
I agree. Liberals keep eating shit election after election and blame everyone but themselves. They also demand purity while accusing the left of being purists, which is telling.
played like the people who supported ethnic cleansing and wanton slaughter and then told everyone else they had to support it to, only to lose every swing state and the popular vote and millions of voters from 2020? that kind of played?
in the past year and change i have learned that the UN is hamas, medical caravans are hamas, hospitals are hamas, schools are hamas, food is hamas, so yes all those things improve everyone's lives
Or - the protestors were right and our leaders should have done more to end the war. If you were protesting, you believe what happened was genocidal. You expect people to hold their nose and vote for genocide? That’s totally unrealistic. It disillusioned countless voters. A losing, evil strategy.
Shut the absolute fuck up.
Outside of Trump openly bragging about rigging the election.
You don't fucking support genocide... Full stop.
And you for daumn sure don't try to blame your base when you stabbed them in the back by asskissing "moderate republicans" hoping for their vote as they laughed.
You have to come up with deranged forced-choices between unlimited support for genocide or the total inversion of colonial relations to make your argument, just like every other racist who has ever had to rhetorically support a genocide. You sound like Nazi-era antisemitic propaganda.
uhh I think the harm done to Palestinians occurred *before* the protests took place, otherwise people wouldn’t have had anything to protest, as that’s how precipitant events work
Well let’s take a look at current reality and assess: the anti Harris/Biden crowd didn’t like funding going to Israel, because Israel was committing war crimes as Hamas violated international rules of war (using hospitals/schools/children/aid as weapons/shields).
“harm” like materially enabling the deaths of tens and tens of thousands of them? because that wasn’t trump, that was the people you told us we had to support
It was a choice between that or rule by Hamas. And now the Trump-Musk is open to fully eradicating Palestinians. So yes, sometime voting options aren’t perfect because the world isn’t perfect. But now all kinds of people can be rounded up and killed, since perfection wasn’t on the table for you.
The registered mofos who *did not show-up to vote* helped Trump win!
Fuka is using his <1% win to tear-down the entire U.S. from the inside & you bitches are *still* touting your weak-ass excuses?
Trump wants Gaza leveled. The only chance to stop the genocide was choosing Kamala-no one else had the numbers to defeat him. Did you really want the genocide stopped or did you want to be self righteous? Self righteousness got us Trump. Being right is not as important as making sure genocide ends.
Now Trump has active plans to "take over" Gaza once it has been cleared of Palestinians. So is now going to be actively trying to remove them one way or another. There was a chance with Kamala. Trump will actively encourage the genocide. Shame on your self righteousness. It did nothing to save them.
It's wild, them saying that NOW. After Trump released the bombs that Biden/Harris refused to give Isreal, so they can literally carpet bomb the area. Especially knowing, the same people that held it against Harris, never said a word to Trump. Maralogo Gaza, probably being planned right now.
We SCREAMED it, we begged all of you, we said it was gonna be a fucking shitshow if he got elected. But you ignored us, you called us "genocide apologists", you called us every name under the sun, and you are just as responsible for this mess as any MAGA.
If you believe this narrative then you believe mainstream propaganda.
It's always easier to think the people you don't agree with are the gullible ones than it is to find out you've been duped into falling for a logical fallacy.
🤣 cute. We all saw harris' blood & soil DNC speech at which a Palestinian-American speaker's speech opportunity was rescinded and blocked. 300 super delegate votes were lost at that very moment, and there went the election. That's FAFO math ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
That the pro Palestine anti Harris protestors may have cost Harris the election isn’t really at issue. It’s that they were played (or just wanted Trump and the full harm he will cause Palestine).
You have it exactly backwards. The Democrats are not responsive to what their voters want. That is why we lost. You cannot berate the people into ignoring a genocide.
I forgot the Biden Administration was collectively forced at gunpoint by Elon Musk to approve regular transfers of money and weapons to Israel while running diplomatic and media cover for it for every moment of the Administration’s existence, how could I have been so forgetful
You do understand that a political party has to earn the vote of people in order to achieve power, right? Why should I continuously vote for people that are not going to push for the policies they said they would?
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But I guess some people felt it was more important to Make a Point. Whoops.
Why on earth would you do that?
Well, you see, they gave Bill Clinton a microphone.. .
Changing the USG’s policy on Israel was a non-starter for both parties, not just the presidential candidates. Voting had no effect there.
Too many chose to make empty statements from the sidelines leaving the vote to weak to block the catastrophe.
I don't support Hamas
I don't support Trump
I voted democrat
It's bad to give bombs to Israel so they can kill kids.
Outside of Trump openly bragging about rigging the election.
You don't fucking support genocide... Full stop.
And you for daumn sure don't try to blame your base when you stabbed them in the back by asskissing "moderate republicans" hoping for their vote as they laughed.
Get out of the fucking way.
Do you have the tiniest conception of how fucking stupid you sound?
You monsters are perfectly fine with genocide as long as your side is doing it.
You're only mad that you have to pretend to care now.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
Fuka is using his <1% win to tear-down the entire U.S. from the inside & you bitches are *still* touting your weak-ass excuses?
https://www.stephensemler.com/p/how-the-most-unpopular-us-president
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/harris-vows-no-change-to-israel-policy-approach-if-elected-kamala-harris-tim-walz-joe-biden-dana-bash-cnn-politics-2024-election-palestina-gaza-war-hamas
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
It's always easier to think the people you don't agree with are the gullible ones than it is to find out you've been duped into falling for a logical fallacy.
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
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https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
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https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-former-shin-bet-chief-we-warned-against-the-gaza-concept-1001461109