I think the normal people will have to still file their taxes and get their refunds processed slowly while billionaires just evade their taxes because there is no enforcement.
As a citizen living abroad I’m happy to stop paying taxes since Taxes should be residency based like the rest of the world ( except the US Philippines and Eritrea)
Nope- they will enslave the poor and middle class forcing us to work for food and shelter because it worked so well when we worked for the company store the first time
they do not need social services or military protection because they can afford it privately; they and theirs are taken care of. they see the government as a parasitic welfare state for people whose welfare they do not value.
I think the lessons of 1797 France, 1917 Russia and 1991 Soviet Union prove otherwise. Without support, the powers that be are the same eating, shitting and sleeping human beings like the rest of us., and money doesn't and can't buy everything
they may need to re-learn that lesson, or it may be different this time. money is already a play thing detached from reality (watch zero interest rates come back under trump) and AI gives musk the faith that he soon will not need the society that he stands upon. thiel seems the same to me.
The outcome will be the same, doesn't matter which century. England showed the way by decapitating their king when he got a bit too authoritarian. The French did the same with Louis XVI, The Russians took the Tsar into forest and shot them. There is a limit to human tolerance
it makes perfect sense if your goal is to move more wealth to the richest people in our society. What doesn't make sense is why so many people support this, despite saying they're against it.
Putin pledged to do this to the United States decades ago. I don't think it's caught up to him yet that he's not the only cock in the barn. The two egos cannot sustain each other and therefore will eventually tear each other down.
Time to go to the village square with these traitors.. its time we stop talking.. we need to organize.. if you hear of groups forming, share them, if you hear of people gathering, join them.. we need to revolt.
Yes, this is exactly what will happen. It’s the equivalent of somebody saying they’re going to keep working but stop accepting a paycheck, and they’ll survive on just the loose change they find in their sofa cushions or laying around on the street. It’s madness.
I hope the blue states join Canada or Mexico since they can hold their own. I’ll suffer as I’m in a red state, but I’ll also be deported since I was born in Cali & if Cali joins either, I’ll be illegal. Then my family will be safe. 😮💨
Conservatives have this bizarre fixation to simplify the tax system to the point where your return can be written on a postcard.
"GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY" is simple enough, but not desirable.
They're not going to abolish the IRS. How else are Republicans going to take money away from middle class people in blue states to give to rich people in red states?
I mean going back to funding the government through a bond system would definitely cut the budget by a whole hell of a lot. Except they still had a sales tax on top of the bond system.
The GOP only pretends to be concerned about the national debt. They really care only about the unfettered right to do as they please. The IRS restricts that, and so they say it must go.
Well no actually. Decent, honest, hard-working, middle class Americans will pay their taxes like they always have, and the government will save money on the processing of $0.00 due tax returns from rich people and wealthy corps.
It will explode exponentially regardless of whether we have the IRS or not. He will give the oligarchs a huge tax cut, and steal as much as he can with impunity.
Nah. They’ll just use AI to go after the easy marks, as always (low income taxpayers with few credits or deductions). The big guns with complicated returns will skate, as they have been accustomed to.
They want to institute a 23% national sales tax to pay for it. If you think things are expensive now, tariffs and a national sales tax should doom plenty to abject poverty
Basically they’ll add a federal sales tax. Basically we will pay all the taxes and Trump will probably let the rich write off their yachts as business expense.
The national debt has exploded due to Republican tax cuts for the rich. Eliminating the IRS will throw up into a severe depression. Government spending STIMULATES the economy.
An excellent, relevant book to read is The Deficit Myth, by S Kelton.
Abolishing the IRS doesn't seem like his idea though; while it would weaken the Idiocracy, he's not struck me as the sledgehammer type because it's a bit obvious.
Maybe he's feeling pressured because Ukraine is winning?
Not if they make you pay taxes on everything you buy at a higher rate. The poor and working will be paying for all. The rich, it won't bother. They get a free ride.
They want to defund all the government that helps people and serve the public and national interest. They want huge powerful government they control that oppresses their enemies and enforces their privilege.
For those who read/researched Project 2025, this is not new information and the downstream effect is to crash the US economy while stuffing the financial treasure in their own pockets.
It’s like you’re looking at your roof and seeing flames. Yet you still wonder if it’s going to be too warm to sleep. I swear to fuck I never saw anything so goddamn stupid. When is the time to wake up and put the fucking fire out guys? Wake up! The house is on fire!
While I'm sure the drbt will increase because we just allowed a bunch of craven half wits in charge of yhe country. But the GOP has gone on record with their wishes to replace income tax with a national sales tax.
Going to be hard to lower the cost of eggs when we have to pay 37% more for goods.
Of course. And debt is not a priority for anyone unless it can be used against the other guy. If, somehow, Breton-Woods and MMT fail us and debt becomes an actual liability, it's to the advantage of global oligarchs who will fill the power vacuum with our servitude.
MMT is a failure of a policy, but the US does have a lot more ability than any other country to print excess currency. Due to a number of factors. It's not unlimited, but we just have a lot of room for mistake.
No because, according to all the internet economic geniuses (recently promoted from internet wildfire experts), all that missing revenue will be made up for by tariffs. Or something else magical...
Tariffs will replace them. The poor will get poorer and the rich will stay rich.
Don't forget no corporate shopping beginning 1/20 if at all possible!
Thrift
Barter
Craigslist
Employee owned
Mom pop shops
If we take the money we take the power.
The short answer is no, because it will be replaced by a 30% VAT, meaning a lot more money would be going to government. However this means no write-offs, no tax refunds, etc. causing all taxable goods/services to rise 30%, hurting all but the richest among us and collapsing society.
They haven't thought that far ahead. Repugs aren't known for their long term vision. Plus they only care about the debts and deficits when Dems are in control.
I didn't say it was going to work, that how they think. My wife and I have decided on nothing but necessity only spending for the next 4 years or longer if he doesn't croak or leave office. We have accumulated way too much stuff as it is after 25 years together.
But that's what I mean. People will stop shopping. The rich won't stop trying to run up the score. They will need to eventually come up with a tax system that gets even the money we aren't spending.
I get that, but, I think it'll go even beyond that. They need money for wars and corporate subsidies. If people can't afford certain products, they will stop shopping as much. That's when the rich will need to create some way to squeeze every last drop out of the us peons.
The kind of tarriffs Trump is talking about would be incredibly lucrative unless everyone just stopped buying most anything. Which I would recommend, but it’s obviously difficult.
which is why President elect "Elonia", his FLOTUS Frumpy and the GOP are salivating while eyeballing our Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and VA benefits...hypocritical pricks won!!!
But how is bezos supposed to make money if 90% of his consumers can't afford Amazon prime, let alone useless crap? Such shortsightedness. Wouldn't he have a better bottom line if more people had more disposable income to spend at Amazon?
Amazon can beat any competitor in pricing. This would collapse competitors, making Amazon more dominate and more money.
National debt must be paid, or the nation goes bankrupt. You can't use a debt-based currency without a repayment program.
Well then I have an idea. Let's just get it over with. Give Elmo whatever amount of money he needs to be the world's first trillionaire, have a little celebration, then convert it into gold coins and let(make) him dive into it like Scrooge McDuck. Then put all the money back into the Treasury.
No. Our taxes will continue coming out of our paychecks, but we get less opportunity to claim a refund or adj. withholding.
No idea how it will work for businesses. I would assume just name shuffling, IRS gone but XYZ office takes the role and basically does exactly what IRS used to do.
There is only one thing the GOP will never abolish, and that is tax breaks for the top. The rest is all lip-service, and besides, red-states are all heavily dependent on government assistance. They rely on those tax dollars coming into the fed and from taxpayers in blue states.
Come on now, who else but a tax FRAUD wants to do that? I get WHY no one wants to pay taxes but I also know WHY we need them. And it sure as hell not to kowtow to billionaires.
They think tariffs arethe answer to government funding. This is what the US used primarily until the progressive era when we started taxing income more. They want to go back to a system of small, ineffective government living of tariffs that hurt poor and middle class more than the wealthy.
you've obviously misunderstood his message NO IRS for billionaires and Millionaires but double the size of the IRS for the working classes and poor . . . socialism for the RICH capitalism for the POOR
I'm a bit more concerned that people are actually thinking of paying taxes to a convicted felon. I certainly don't intend to. Trump could ruin a wet dream, so I'm hardly worried about his idiot patrol.
I'll do my own thing until the asshat is in the wind, or behind bars, & then get back to my Life.
Have a look at what happened in Greece in the 70s/80s. When the wealthy in a society stop paying taxes, or simply don't have to because they rig the system by buying politicians like Trump to do it for them, everyone else eventually does too and everything falls apart.
If they abolished the IRS, I would definitely immediately stop paying my federal taxes, and instead pay that amount to California state tax, where the money can be used to push my aggressively progressive agenda for the state.
Yes when the irs is disbanded that means nobody's collecting money anymore so the rich powerful crooked criminal people will truly get away with ripping off America. It will prove once again that the middle class and the poor are always in jeopardy.
It made me order my replacement refrigerator last November. And today we’re ordering a generator for power outages that seem to be happening on a regular basis. I’m not giving that 🍊sh*t-gibbon any more of my retirement money!
I’m convinced that there’s a significant segment of our population (ahem MAGA) who is literally incapable of contemplating and/or comprehending repercussions of actions and consequences of inaction…
Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Starting all these vicious rumors about what "could be" is making some people unnecessarily anxious and paranoid. The American spirit is too ingrained in our way of life to let the bullshit of just one man take advantage of our well-being. Don't worry, be happy.
Then you haven't been paying attention to all the bills the GOP has ready to go once Drumpy is in office.
Those of us screaming have every right to make you uncomfortable, we see the writing on the wall & project 2025 is a step by step playbook out of Nazi Germany & Hitler
Ah, no, you don’t have the right to make me uncomfortable, but you can sell it to yourself if that’s your goal. I promise that you don’t know what I know about German history and we are not walking the path to which you refer. Go ahead and taunt yourself…I hope you regret it.
What do they care as long as they have their hands in the cookie jar when it explodes. Its all about money and power, both corrupts and with more power and money it corrupts absolutely. Be damned with everyone else in America or the world.
This is why they pushing tariffs. Basically current progressive tax rate (with rich “theoretically” paying higher rate) get replaced with “flat rate”… it is horrible idea… and wet dream of GOP.
The IRS only deals with Federal income taxes. We'll be paying in other ways and none of that new revenue will be coming from those most able to afford the bills.
It is if the new administration truly enacts Project 2025 AND the net revenue can stay in those states to fix healthcare and other social programs that will be gutted. Given the money pits that the red states have become for Federal subsidies, I foresee other shenanigans.
There is a reason that invading other countries is now of the table. This is how other dictators have done it in the past. Expansion to feed the machine while ripping up existing infrastructure. This doesn't last and breaks down but not before our country's governing ability is destroyed.
Without a revenue stream, they will be starving. Dipshit thinks tariffs and national sales taxes will fund it. Remember how Republicans were pushing the notion that Iraq war would fund it rebuilding by its oil .
Paying taxes? No the IRS who’s gonna process the payments? Where will the money be credited? Does your employer continue to withhold taxes? And if so, then what’s he do with it? No IRS to credit it to the individual employees. I guess everyone stops paying and/or withholding. What could go wrong?
The only reason they want to destroy the IRS or any arm of the government is to remove the obstacles to looting. If strengthening the IRS somehow made their looting easier, that’s what they’d do.
Don't need the IRS to deduct payroll taxes from your check. That money will go straight to rump and his cronies. That's how authoritarians work. Wake up. It'll be a "Doge donation".
Thus requiring the complete elimination of all social programs and services. The rich wouldn’t notice, because they live in their bubbles. They would cheer the lack of taxes without worrying about the ruin of society. Once America is destroyed, they’ll simply move to Dubai.
Oh it would be catastrophic for sure. Many millions of Americans can barely survive with assistance. Taking that assistance away will lead to not only economic collapse but crime/violence rates would blast off into space on a graph.
It will immediately destroy our economy. It will make the 1930s depression look like nothing. It will bring this nation, not to our knees but millions will die. It will be the worst thing to ever happen to this nation in biblical proportions
They will have to replace it with something, maybe similar to the VAT system we have in the UK, that or all the red states will suddenly become bankrupt because they receive the majority of state funding, I imagine they wouldn't allow that to happen though.
Oh no. We the regular people will still have to pay taxes. You can be sure of that. They need our money to continue stuffing their already overflowing pockets. It certainly won't be used for us in any way.
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"GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY" is simple enough, but not desirable.
An excellent, relevant book to read is The Deficit Myth, by S Kelton.
Abolishing the IRS doesn't seem like his idea though; while it would weaken the Idiocracy, he's not struck me as the sledgehammer type because it's a bit obvious.
Maybe he's feeling pressured because Ukraine is winning?
IRS banning is borrowed from Libertarians who want to abolish the federal system as a whole.
It's not meant to make sense as a fiscal policy. It's a scapegoat to point at for votes.
Wanna know more: https://25and.me
Going to be hard to lower the cost of eggs when we have to pay 37% more for goods.
Why don't we ask him?
Only W2 wage earners will be governed by the IRS (basically the poor and middle class). Taxes deducted from pay
Everyone else will voluntarily pay the IRS….which means no enforcement for the wealthy
Don't forget no corporate shopping beginning 1/20 if at all possible!
Thrift
Barter
Craigslist
Employee owned
Mom pop shops
If we take the money we take the power.
Universal healthcare
Paid family leave
Elder care
Tuition free college
And so much more
They are offering none of that and instead seeking to decimate the middle and poorer classes with this initiative.
And rich people will NEVER pay their fair share … if the IRS is handicapped like that.
NEVER.
Retail almost never managed to break even there; amazon didn't really become profitable until it launched AWS.
National debt must be paid, or the nation goes bankrupt. You can't use a debt-based currency without a repayment program.
You can literally control the supply of money if you have almost all of it.
You can force people into doing whatever you want, because you (and only you) get to decide who can afford basic necessities.
No idea how it will work for businesses. I would assume just name shuffling, IRS gone but XYZ office takes the role and basically does exactly what IRS used to do.
Taxpayers are the government.
Republicans are just morons.
Is just a soundbite that the base eats up
The real threat? Citizens United.
I'll do my own thing until the asshat is in the wind, or behind bars, & then get back to my Life.
Some generate come incomes from the Tax refunds
Colin Powell even intellectualized it. Act only on a failing grade's worth of knowledge, otherwise some other idiot will beat you to it.
https://www.42courses.com/blog/home/2019/12/10/colin-powells-40-70-rule
Ready, Fire💥, Draw, Aim
Be an asshole
Those of us screaming have every right to make you uncomfortable, we see the writing on the wall & project 2025 is a step by step playbook out of Nazi Germany & Hitler
1) logic
2) forethought
To answer your question…
Their greed is endless.
1. What benefits Putin
2. What benefits himself