today is really demonstrating why anyone who thought Harris losing was good for organizing and leftist causes was really not thinking this through properly
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Oh for fucks sake.
Progressives told you hillary couldn’t win.
Progressives told you kamala couldn’t win.
Progressives warned you in 2019 Biden was sure to be a 1 term president who handed republicans a landslide in 24.
This isn’t our fault it is YOURS
Lol riiiiight. Not like nominating the wife of the worst democrat in living memory wasn’t a boneheaded move in the first place.
Hillary repeatedly mocked the left.
They were never showing up for her. Comey didn’t do that. Hillary did.
Clinton passed DONT ask don’t tell and set back gay rights 30 years.
Do not fucking tell a gay man that either clinton or Reagan were unfairly demonized.
Clinton was an unmitigated disaster on every possible level
When you're offered two shit options which do you choose?
Democracy? The mere election is a lie. The result of now having what you've got, well you voted for him before, or had you forgotten. And what he did then, you since did nothing to contain him from power again.
The USA? Hopeless.
I find that they believe more than think. they believe and their perception is skewed... therefore they can't see the reality staring them in the face... even when you tell them what is coming.. i tried
Look at all you losing your morality meter.WOW.
So GENOCIDE IS OK.
Since Harris declared she'd be getting in bed with her ZIONIST BFF's.
FOR DECADES YOU HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OTHER COUNTRIES, TO STEAL THEIR RESOURCES MURDER, & PLANT DICTATORS.
ZERO MORALITY.
But you're ok with continuing that
It was never ok. I read Al Jazeera and saw actual Palestinians begging us to not let Trump win. I’ve also been pro-🇵🇸 since 2004 and weighed the two possible outcomes
Considering what Trump promised to do (“finish the job and build beautiful waterfront condos”), I knew what the right choice was.
Americans struggle with civics--the study of the responsibilities associated with citizenship. For years, this academic field has been subordinated to the more "money making" subjects like math and science. Today, the average American doesn't understand their citizenship.
Poll after poll said majority of the country wanted ceasefire. She didn't listen. Both sides Congress are owned by AIPAC. 52 standing ovations for a war criminal. No choice!
Yeah, they really can't grasp this concept. They really do simultaneously believe leftists are powerless fringe people who aren't worth appealing to, or the entire reason they lost the election. It can't be both
protecting the constitutional order at this point is protecting anything good the govt does for anyone. I mean maybe the collapse of the constitutional order might take down something bad along the way, but I wouldn't count on that.
ur little messianic revolution will be just around the corner will and ur food not bombs pot luck can very easily fill in gif multi billion dollar programs in food aid Internationally and domestic !
Hi everyone, Im gonna point out all of the worlds problems that I caused through my support of neo-liberal capitalism-backed colonialism & then mock the few people actually doing something about it.
Ya kids, why aren't you more effective at solving problems my bombs created?
maybe the little mutual aid potlucks will prove helpful now that the number of those in sever poverty globally and domestically are severely culled in the conning years.
Is mutual aid going to step in now that AIDS/HIV medication is no longer being distributed globally ? What ever Thälmann ! News flash we had a working class revolution in this county and they enthusiastically chose fascism over liberalism or socialism in 2016, 2020 and 2024 but I’m sure
You mean the thing mutual Aid has been doing every year for 30 years while Dems have promised and failed to deliver universal healthcare? Ya, we're gonna keep doing what we've always done.
We did this song and dance in 1968, 1980, 2000, 2016 and now 2024 and every time the would gif darker instead of better but at lest you got to gloat about ur moral superiority
It's pretty astounding that liberals are so happy to admit that despite being told over and over again that liberal centrism will inevitably result in fascism - a statement made in the 1800s & repeated by MLK - still haven't learned the lesson. Not after Nixon, Reagan, Obama, Bush, or Biden.
Boycott the Super Bowl. Both players (ask them) and fans. Demonstrate our power. We won't perform or break for games. WE CONTROL impact and outcome. Manifest strength. Demonstrate control of reality and outcome to EVERYONE. Believe, amplify, SHARE THIS, and act. I believe in you.
It was a fair assumption based on what happened in 2017, post-Bernie enthusiasm and Trump's first term radicalised many libs further left. What has changed is that the rift over Gaza created animosity between liberals and leftists which is much harder to bridge now.
No, the fascist enablers are the liberals whose only standard of conduct for democrats is 'don't be as bad as Republicans'. You can only ratchet so far to the right before you're defending a genocide and look what liberals like you are doing now. Defending a genocide
the libs are radicalized to protect the constitutional order. there is going to be no bandwith to oppose Salvadorean prisons, or Gitmo's new role, or for the most part, Gaza! there's just too much shit and your less-popular, more ideologically driven projects will be swamped under
@aoc.bsky.social said in a livestream last night that we need to tackle how they flood the zone with divide and conquer. We might just need to have certain groups/people fully dedicated to certain issues.
Terms like “the libs” might need to go out the window. The litmus test should be - “Do you believe in human rights? Ok, we’re on the same team, let’s fight together”.
No more bourgeoisie intelligentsia moral purity competitions, they prop up the whole system of oppression imho
i’m sorry but “libs are not going to have bandwidth to oppose to concentration camps or genocide” is not something I’m comfortable saying as someone who is not a lib.
obviously opposing the fascist coup is directly connected to opposing the putschists crimes against humanity. there are better ways to make your point.
The issue is that, for example, the Saldadorean prisons are a net-new problem. We’re going to have to expend political energy and capital fighting the new horrors so what might have been a priority in 2024 is now lower on the totem pole.
i do feel like given that all of our institutions were apparently made of wet paper mache we really need to ask whether the outcome of this election was just an unlucky spin in a game of russian roulette.
It was. The best case scenario was to win elections several times in a row in order to hopefully get out of this, and tbh that was unrealistic. But, better to try than not at all, yea?
Biden’s biggest failure as president was not strengthening the institutions to prevent this sort of capture, but tbh I’m not sure the political will would’ve existed even if he had tried. I don’t think many Americans realized this was an outcome that could actually happen.
If you believe in social safety nets, then you’re a lib. We need to stop using white savior moral superiority competitions are a litmus test for who’s worthy of joining The Resistance.
The 2028 Dem primary will have most of the candidates bashing Trump's execution of internal immigration enforcement, but mostly quiet on something like closing Gitmo deportation camps, and I've just resigned myself to be disgusted but accepting ahead of time.
I can already hear Josh Shapiro barking at JD Vance during the 2028 debates: "Telling voters I want to close down Gitmo and let in illegal immigrants IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE."
you misunderstand - i'm not saying their isn't opposition to those things! there clearly is! but we're seeing where the coalition can be most easily pulled together, and it looks like stuff that affects most americans. it's about focus and time, frankly https://bsky.app/profile/blueirisqualm.bsky.social/post/3lhfknx3zjc2n
im sorry im probably overreacting. i just really think its important to not say that these things aren’t going to be resisted like aloud. its defeating. im in an emotional state about this. i know thats not what the intent was.
The point is that issue politics are dead right now. They’re coming after all of it at once and if they’re allowed to remain in power with a free hand we are all fucked.
This person fails to understand that if you're, say, a trans ally in the military now facing being thrown out, losing pay, losing coverage for gender-based treatments, etc. & facing unparalleled threats w no expectation of govt protection...yes, you have less bandwidth to oppose other bad things.
I would argue that it would be easier to get libs to oppose Salvadoran prisons and Gitmo because they are sending people from the US to those places, so they are more immediate threats, and less remote, than Gaza.
I’d put Nader voters in 2000 and Stein voters in 2016 ahead of 1968 in terms of sheer absurd stupidity. Those two elections resulted in 5 conservative SC picks that would’ve gone to Gore and Hillary.
Bork famously never got on the SC, but it was W who put Bork’s protege Robert on the court, where he castrated the Civil Rights Act and voted for Citizens United. He’s got another decade at least.
W gave us the second Iraq War and created ISIS. He’s no less a war criminal than Nixon.
Between W and IQ45/47, we got two wars, two recessions, two massive tax cuts for the rich, insane debt, 5 SC justices who will strip our rights until at least 2050, Citizens United, evisceration of the Civil Rights Act, Dobbs, January 6 and presidential immunity. Nixon was barely an appetizer.
this is, just on a basic surface level, a really good policy position for Warner to articulate! it should be celebrated! but it’s totally drowned out by people *rightly* demanding “hey how about some focus on the ONGOING COUP ATTEMPT??”
tbf he also posted this thread today and linked to the wired story about it and also posted about what’s happening at the FBI. I have a lot of complaints about the Dem response, but I think they are starting to get it. https://bsky.app/profile/markwarner.bsky.social/post/3lhf2bwor322n
Specifically, tankies are hoping they can:
1. Help elect trump, then
2. Recruit out of pro-democracy protests, for their own authoritarian ideology.
They should not and probably will not be successful at that.
i think we can do it all. there are a lot of us. (but obv I thought anyone online pushing "they're all the same, don't vote" (often, weirdly, Canadian and British) sucks and is dumb)
The only real difference between past U.S. Democratic administrations and the Trump era is this: Trump extended the enforcement of U.S. hegemony to one additional country—the United States itself.
No, and stop trying to absolve yourself. If you didn't turn up to vote for the only viable candidate who wasn't a fascist, then you aided fascism. No excuses.
The only people I ever see talking about brunch for years now are leftists who are obsessed with the idea and liberals making fun of them. You've got to stop building your entire political identity over one goofy protest sign.
Remember when y'all first started posting this meme in 2016 to mock Clinton supporters who complained about your sexist abusiveness but then unironically morphed into it yourselves when they stated punching back?
It's because "MUST OWN THE LIBS" isn't a good cornerstone for developing values.
Perhaps Dems should be trying a whole lot harder, they put Biden forward first ffs.
US should be pushing for big policy changes. Changes to electoral college, changes to preferential voting systems, policy to bring you forward 100 years on health and education.
There is a unifying thread here, which is all of those more niche causes are powerless without the constitutional order. If there are rallies for each one, racial justice, trans rights, Medicaid and Medicare, VA, etc, we have to connect the dots for them: they should all want to join this cause
(And don't get me wrong-- I'm not even against all the kinds of chaos. But letting the random variable of Trump back in, this time *with helpers and plans* was *never* a tactically wise decision. And it just bugs me that so many don't get that.)
Today is also a day for coalition building. So if you want to build a coalition, maybe not shitting on people who abstained from voting for Harris for reasons like "my family were genocided under Biden/Harris" is a good thing.
Yeah, fuck that. Trump’s about to make Gaza an American colony after these clowns “voted their conscience.” Maybe the people who pivoted to Palestine after they got all they could out of Tara Reade should do some introspection before trying to get back into politics.
So you quote *one* Palestinian. Let's see what happened in 2024.
"Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov."
There’s actually 2 in that screenshot. Actual Palestinians living in Gaza. Not some Grayzone bullshit you pulled up while failing to win office in Australia. Funny how Aussies have strong feelings about Gaza, but told the First Nations to go fuck themselves in ‘23.
You can miss me with this bullshit. There were many reasons Trump won. How about you save the ire for the ACTUAL TRUMP VOTERS, or is it just easier for you to punch the small number of people in mostly safe blue states who didn't feel like there was a choice between Genocider A and Genocider B?
But, to your concerns: The account you’re tapping in on is Australian, and at no point said anything about Blue States, or Trump Voters, or any of that shit.
All that account could talk about was dead Palestinians. So, they arent here to argue in good faith. Whether cause of ideology, or trolling, or just being weird.
if Harris came to my house and personally shot my family, voting for her to block Trump would have still been the morally correct choice because the world is bigger than me and my grief and pain and he was going to hurt so many other people
If Harris came to your house and shot your family - well, in your position, I'd have more pride and self-respect than to vote for her. After all, she'd be in jail, and Walz (still stuck on the team) would have been lucky to get McGovern '72 numbers.
But seriously, my dad’s family was directly impacted by the Tokyo firebombings.
It didn’t stop him from coming to the US. Because it was a rational decision. And look at us now. Living the American Dream, because he was extremely clear-eyed about these decisions.
「ちいちゃんのかげおくり」It was in my elementary school textbook, 2 or 3rd grade.
I still remember the name of the story off the top of my head! Searched it and there it is. But really does tell you the psychological impact it had on me as a kid..still remember the sad feels.
Accelerationism is evil and needs to made into a taboo.
When societies or systems of government collapse completely - even immoral ones - it is always, *always* the least powerful and the most hated among us who suffer. Real radical change comes through mass democratization (which can include
forms of war or mass violence given the circumstances) but never, ever has there been an instance in recorded history where accelerationist action/inaction led to a good outcome or improved anyone's lives. Accelerationism gets queer, trans, and racial/caste minorities killed, often en-masse.
Anyone who tapped out and said "we'll just wait for the system to collapse on itself" or "Trump winning will radicalize the proletariat!" has queer, trans, immigrant, Black, and Brown blood on their hands.
Yes. I will also submit that accelerationism has had a recent rebranding as "effective altruism", which has basically equated to "I can do whatever I want right now because it's actually good, long-term, even though it seems real bad now". It's what you yourself describe, even. SBF, the FBX guy, yep
Herding cats. Ever and always with Democrats, it’s like herding cats. The message is always “We’ve got this! We’re all in this!United! Together!” and then, while the words still hang in the air, the cats all scatter. Again.
It'd be easier without the Leftist parasitic growth on the party's ass eternally going "the non-fascist candidate hasn't EARNED MY VOTE 😠" like voting is a self-debasing sex act you only do for someone really special instead of a civic responsibility like not shitting on public sidewalks.
In case you magas are not understand what my learnt friend is trying to say....
Yall are idiots, pure morons, your elevators must be broke at pecker level cause yall fucked this whole country worse then that time Ned Johnsons bull got out........
I'm not the person you asked.
But I want to answer the question in my own way.
Yes, or worse.
At the moment we're looking at the complete collapse of the United States. It doesn't matter even if they take complete control of everything, the financial rug will get pulled out and country will...
...like the third world debt slave it really is. We have a very good image of ourselves that doesn't match the reality of the money we've invested in this country.
After the collapse, there's going to be nobody to protect those hyper-rich people that have burned Bridges with people in...
Man, I’m tired. Lets just get the end where you claim the Masons are a front for the jews. Cause thats where all conspiracy theories end up. Crazy shit.
"Elevated Trump in the primaries".
Are you high? Trump had national recognition when he ran for president and won the primary because GOP voters liked him (!)
Hillary & her team wanted to face Trump as they thought--wrongly--he would be easy to beat just as Pritzker wanted to face Bailey in 2022, as Christie want to face Bernie in 2016, & as McCaskill wanted to face Aiken in 2012. Ultimately the primary elections were decided by voters.
Pied Piper strategy—her campaign gambled that she’d have a better chance against Orange Voldemort tan the other GOP candidates so they kept the focus on him. Dangerous gamble that we are all now paying for.
I only know very little history. I don't know all the ways that we could have avoided this. But from when Trump got elected the first time... well I figured we were probably going to wind up here-ish somehow. I hoped I was wrong. 🫤
We could have voted for women, twice. But apparently that was too much of a leap of faith because no one has ever seen women be in charge before. Besides their moms and grandmas.
My wife was always asked what is the purpose of developing extensive knowledge of comparative government and European authoritarianism, fascism. Well, it sort of came in handy. Unfortunately.
I think Dems were also under zionist control and did everything possible to lose.
Firstly putting Biden forward, I mean WTAF
Then knowing no one has ever won if primaries are avoided they put Harris forward.
Only saving would have been serious policy change, bold, exciting, but NO
Are you kidding? Because of Trump it turns out Democrats actually ARE against genocide and NOW they believe the Government should be working for the people instead of billionaires!!!
As opposed to the last four years of record police killings, record homelessness, skyrocketing billionaire wealth, genocide, and brutal suppression of protests?
At least liberals are in the mud with us now instead of getting to sit on their hands and enjoying the gentle ambience of white supremacy.
Need I remind you that we had this exact same situation - a year of protests, a candidate who was complicit in the issue protested against, and Democrats saying "we'll push them left" - four years ago? And we already saw how that played out.
Felt like we'd been splintering for years and when Biden pushed Bernie out again, that severely splintered us further, then the genocide stuff expedited that further.
It's a Wide Umbrella, with 1 party and 1 stretched bag, it was innevitable imo.
Yeah I couldn't find the logic in it at all. I'm usually open to unconventional takes and leftist solutions, but it just didn't make sense. Like when a plane crashes you put your oxygen on first so you can help others. Fucking yourself doesn't help the vulnerable. I felt like they were trolls.
There’s been a pandemic of this going on since at least 2015, and there’s not one stakeholder in society that’s proven capable of dealing w this. Every lever has been bought and paid for to fail. Until this is addressed, the beatings will continue.
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But tell me again who didn’t think this through properly
Progressives told you hillary couldn’t win.
Progressives told you kamala couldn’t win.
Progressives warned you in 2019 Biden was sure to be a 1 term president who handed republicans a landslide in 24.
This isn’t our fault it is YOURS
Harris outperformed other incumbents in a post-covid election despite a relentlessly pro-Trump media
Hillary repeatedly mocked the left.
They were never showing up for her. Comey didn’t do that. Hillary did.
Do not fucking tell a gay man that either clinton or Reagan were unfairly demonized.
Clinton was an unmitigated disaster on every possible level
Democracy? The mere election is a lie. The result of now having what you've got, well you voted for him before, or had you forgotten. And what he did then, you since did nothing to contain him from power again.
The USA? Hopeless.
So GENOCIDE IS OK.
Since Harris declared she'd be getting in bed with her ZIONIST BFF's.
FOR DECADES YOU HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OTHER COUNTRIES, TO STEAL THEIR RESOURCES MURDER, & PLANT DICTATORS.
ZERO MORALITY.
But you're ok with continuing that
Considering what Trump promised to do (“finish the job and build beautiful waterfront condos”), I knew what the right choice was.
Come on🤷🤦♀️🙄
Palestinians don't care of it's Republicans or Democrats, both parties fucked them over for decades.
That’s what you just did. Instead of protecting the Collective, you threw every POC, LGBTQ, and Palestinian under the bus.
Inspect your ego and ask why you can’t bring yourself to stand in solidarity. ✊🏼🌹
But hey, for those of us doing real work, our mutual Aid participation is up 300% ... So it looks like we were right.
Hi everyone, Im gonna point out all of the worlds problems that I caused through my support of neo-liberal capitalism-backed colonialism & then mock the few people actually doing something about it.
Ya kids, why aren't you more effective at solving problems my bombs created?
Can we not have this whole situation annihilate black, brown, and LGBTQ people?
Are you white? Have you ever had food stamps? Section 8? Medicaid? Have you ever made less than $20k a year? Do you have health insurance?
are they fascist enablers??
A little early to say that, isn't it?
No more bourgeoisie intelligentsia moral purity competitions, they prop up the whole system of oppression imho
Just fucking fight together.
As if any decent liberal is a Zionist.
So tired of seeing the left shoot itself
Under an unsympathetic one? We do not.
Sit down, shut up. You caused this.
He also put Bork in the Justice Department. AND... would Humphrey have invaded Cambodia in 1970?
W gave us the second Iraq War and created ISIS. He’s no less a war criminal than Nixon.
1. Constitutional stuff I disagree with, like tariffs, deportations, Israel aid, etc.
2. Unconstitutional stuff like DOGE
We need to oppose everything, but we need to focus on the unconstitutional stuff first!
this is, just on a basic surface level, a really good policy position for Warner to articulate! it should be celebrated! but it’s totally drowned out by people *rightly* demanding “hey how about some focus on the ONGOING COUP ATTEMPT??”
1. Help elect trump, then
2. Recruit out of pro-democracy protests, for their own authoritarian ideology.
They should not and probably will not be successful at that.
But nice try
It's because "MUST OWN THE LIBS" isn't a good cornerstone for developing values.
US should be pushing for big policy changes. Changes to electoral college, changes to preferential voting systems, policy to bring you forward 100 years on health and education.
But no, the options were pathetic
(And don't get me wrong-- I'm not even against all the kinds of chaos. But letting the random variable of Trump back in, this time *with helpers and plans* was *never* a tactically wise decision. And it just bugs me that so many don't get that.)
"Oh, your family is dying from her administration? Fuck you."
Am i wrong?
"Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov."
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
“Black lines matter? Not anymore. One can only prioritize one minority at a time”
Very suspect. I’ve been pro-🇵🇸 since 2004. It was hard to watch it implode
I'd still be angry and salty about it tho
What would be the point?
But seriously, my dad’s family was directly impacted by the Tokyo firebombings.
It didn’t stop him from coming to the US. Because it was a rational decision. And look at us now. Living the American Dream, because he was extremely clear-eyed about these decisions.
Like look, I grew up guzzling essentially Japanese propaganda depicting the horrors and extreme suffering of the Tokyo bombings.
Am I mad at the US? Maybe? But I’m able to compartmentalize those feelings, as a, you know, functioning adult.
I still remember the name of the story off the top of my head! Searched it and there it is. But really does tell you the psychological impact it had on me as a kid..still remember the sad feels.
https://www.ehonnavi.net/img/cover/500/500_Ehon_1601.jpg
But that’s not necessary to build a coalition. Focus on unity and move forward.
Our lives are at stake. Stand in solidarity and don’t ever let someone tell you the collective doesn’t matter.
When societies or systems of government collapse completely - even immoral ones - it is always, *always* the least powerful and the most hated among us who suffer. Real radical change comes through mass democratization (which can include
How about Nazi Germany, was it good or bad for the Jews and Roma being massacred?
Yall are idiots, pure morons, your elevators must be broke at pecker level cause yall fucked this whole country worse then that time Ned Johnsons bull got out........
But I want to answer the question in my own way.
Yes, or worse.
At the moment we're looking at the complete collapse of the United States. It doesn't matter even if they take complete control of everything, the financial rug will get pulled out and country will...
After the collapse, there's going to be nobody to protect those hyper-rich people that have burned Bridges with people in...
Elon's only choice will be to go to Russia but he would be showing up broken penniless.
The odds are what he's doing right now is going to crush him financially and destroy his entire wealth.
He will most likely be scooped up by the ICC and prosecuted
At least the Clown King won't be green lit by all Western nations and the Democrats like Genocide Joe was.
Liberal resisters are delusional.
Guess Politico is a conspiracy magazine now?
Are you high? Trump had national recognition when he ran for president and won the primary because GOP voters liked him (!)
I only know very little history. I don't know all the ways that we could have avoided this. But from when Trump got elected the first time... well I figured we were probably going to wind up here-ish somehow. I hoped I was wrong. 🫤
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_(metaphor)
Firstly putting Biden forward, I mean WTAF
Then knowing no one has ever won if primaries are avoided they put Harris forward.
Only saving would have been serious policy change, bold, exciting, but NO
A month ago none of that was true!
The left and the liberals only earn my frustration.
At least liberals are in the mud with us now instead of getting to sit on their hands and enjoying the gentle ambience of white supremacy.
They wanted something that would make Revolution imminent for their cause.
Even a cop is better than Mump.
Felt like we'd been splintering for years and when Biden pushed Bernie out again, that severely splintered us further, then the genocide stuff expedited that further.
It's a Wide Umbrella, with 1 party and 1 stretched bag, it was innevitable imo.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
We might want to help others but there is just not enough time or energy
Everything else is a pipe dream born from the ideal that all change is good change. Looking at the Young Turks right now.