One BC youngster living on the border with the USA was infected. BC quarantined ALL who had been in contact and there were no further cases.
Yes, the family lived near a poultry farm.
That isn’t how epidemiology works. A large group of antivaxxer Republicans puts the rest of a population at risk, including those agreeing with your skeet. This kind of social-Darwinist fantasy is based on vibes, not science.
If I understand the doctors warning about a bird flu pandemic are saying is that the death rate will be in the 30% range
A lot higher than COVID
Look how many innocents COVID took and increase that
I too thought for a moment of how ironic and Karmic that would be
Except for the innocents
Marvellous idea - would you also take in our version of these idiots? They call themselves Reform over here, but display the same levels of fuckwittery as your lot do.
It's incredible to me that the Christian Nationalists today don't peg onto the fact that every time they re-elect their Orange antichrist, we are visited by plagues. 🧐 I'm an atheist and even i caught that one.😑🙄
Yes it's going to spread like wildfire if it does jump & it will make covid look like a hangnail. There is a vaccine but you know they are not going to get it produced & distributed in time. This could be the worst de ja vu in history
Normally I would agree however, this would harm a lot of people who cannot be vaccinated for different medical reasons and children of these idiots who refuse to get them vaccinated as well. They don't have a choice in not being vaccinated.
Consequences of stupid - those who are non science, uninformed, non vaccination folks will perish at an alarming rate over the next decade. Culling the herd, or as you put in survival of the fittest (Darwin).
Culling the herd is an old term. I didn't know Trump said it, but I can't keep up with all the things Trump said. My point was if you don't believe in science then there are consequences.
Immune compromised will be at risk. Vaccines are not 100%. This route would breed more mutations which could evade any potential vaccines. Which we do not have. Public health means all of us.
It has “jumped” to mammals already including humans. It just doesn’t spread easily between humans and consequently has a low R factor. COVID variants once had a low R factor as SARS-CoV-1 and MERS. If a mutation occurs where it is more easily spread, it can develop into a pandemic.
Some infections were related to proximity or visiting dairy farms. But there are some human cases that have not been close to what would be considered “normal” source points. It’s still a mystery how they were infected. This has the potential to be a pandemic virus. RFK Jr is not qualified for this
That sucks, I’m an advocate for keeping cats indoors 💯.
That includes farm cats because of the spread of toxoplasma Gondi to livestock, humans, wildlife and marine mammals.
Indoor cats will hopefully be protected from exposure.
For now
H5N1 has already jumped to mammals having killed nearly 100 big cats in zoos across the world. Trump wanted credit for the fast development of the COVID vaccines. Will he even bother with this one? OTOH he was happy to set aside any pro-life qualms he should have had against accepting Regeneron.
Unfortunately the MAGA antivaxxers will be the ones calling the shots. It's already spread to mammals in mass numbers and has now jumped to humans through an insane amount of recent mutations. Once it becomes H2H we're fucked.
But you’re also operating under the assumption that RFK will actually take positive action to develop a vaccine. We are all likely screwed with this next administration.
I know this is an older post, but one of the silver linings of the COVID-19 pandemic was that there was less pollution to the environment because everyone was at home. I hated the pandemic, but a part of me wants there to be another one so that we won't have to deal with stupid people.
Was telling someone on FB something similar this a.m. I hope they all get sick and darwin takes care of the rest. These peoples real sickness is hubris. People that barely have a HS edu think they understand and comprehend science people went to school decades to learn Their genes need to be excised
I'm really starting to worry about this. We have fed birds for many years. The virus is getting too close to us so to protect us and our cats the bird feeders have to come down. Makes me sad as we feed them mainly in winter but I'm sure they will be fine.
No, I don’t think that’s the case…the pharmaceutical industry is too powerful with too many lobbyists for that to happen. Too much money at risk…it’s all about the money. RFK is an idealist but has ZERO idea what he’s actually up against for better or worse.
I do not. Unless it kills very quickly, they will just make health care workers suffer and get sick and help spread mutations to make the vaccines less effective. Thats the problem. Like it or not we are all in this together
Hahahahaha I live in a red state so at the grocery store I walked past some old dude who mumbled about “dumbass mask wearing libtards” so I took my mask off while saying “well, I tested positive for COVID *cough* but since you don’t think I should” (I didn’t, just a head cold, but his FACE 🤣🤣)
I am dumbfounded by the dumbfuckery around me in this St Louis MO exburb as I bury my mother and clean out her apartment. My husband and I were actually harassed in Costco on Christmas Eve. Two old white guys shopping together for dinner, saying “Should we try the salmon?” Seriously?
That’s awful. So sorry for your loss. And then to be harassed on top of it. Absolutely shameful. Makes my blood boil. 🤬🤬 *hugs cause I feel like you need one* 🫶
"The federal government has two bird flu vaccine candidates available in limited quantities in the nation’s stockpile, though they need to be authorized by the Food and Drug Administration before they can be used." - from the article
Right - compare to the efficacy of the H1N1 vaccines of 20 years ago (that's the baseline,) add in the mutations and then take into account the need to scale while rapid mutations are occurring.
I already said this a few days ago. But take it further, except medical help for the children because not their fault parents are idiots, deny medical help and insurance coverage for the adults and deny insurance coverage for the children.
The most concerning moments of COVID were when hospitals were becoming overwhelmed, threatening health of not only COVID patients but people with chronic illness, cancer, heart attacks, etc.
I know this is meant tongue in cheek, but have to add, the antivax/antimask crowd is dangerous to everyone
If RFK jr. is in charge, he won't prioritize this, deeming all vaccines unnecessary. Which equate to health insurance companies will not pay for vaccines that can save lives.This got nothing to do with him being antivax... He's being funded to say this. We need to follow the money
Thing is, all the rich performative loudmouths don't give a fuck about their followers dying dumb deaths but they'll make damn sure they get any vaccin first.
I bet even that Kennedy prick got all his Covid shots.
(Oh, and where is that 'Curse of the Kennedys' when you need it?)
Sadly there is no vaccine for this yet, so with these fools in office, and restricting research on vaccines, they will be taking the rest of us with them.
I will be honest, I don’t. The fact we probably will not get a vaccine for it, that scares me for those who are immunocompromised. The way the virus has been evolving so fast is alarming.
Sadly, they will impact themselves and the rest of us as well. Today texted a manager at work to have her ask upper managements if they have developed plans if bird flu escalates. I will be limiting potential exposure. Vaccines take time, even if they don't purposefully prevent a vaccine R&D.
I wish more people would think about this in general when they make these blanket statements about “they get what they deserve”, as if these people live in bubbles besides mental ones. Like, that’s not how communicable diseases work, being unvaxxed means more vectors, bad news for us all.
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Yes, the family lived near a poultry farm.
A lot higher than COVID
Look how many innocents COVID took and increase that
I too thought for a moment of how ironic and Karmic that would be
Except for the innocents
This is the crux of the problem, their stupidity harms US. If it didn’t, there would be no need for mandatory vaccines or high rates of vaccination.
Pretty sure I saw that somewhere.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/30/10/24-0583_article#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20World%20Health,mortality%20rate)%20(4).
https://sph.umd.edu/news/researcher-warns-pet-cats-risk-getting-bird-flu-and-possibly-infecting-people#:~:text=Coleman%20reports%20that%20the%20fatality,of%20human%20health%20as%20well.
That includes farm cats because of the spread of toxoplasma Gondi to livestock, humans, wildlife and marine mammals.
Indoor cats will hopefully be protected from exposure.
For now
Maybe those insurance CEOs will realize that they can deny all palliative care if vaccinations were offered and declined by the patient.
I’ll show myself out…
Better safe than sorry.
Sorry people, it's for the good of the world.
It will overwhelm our medical resources....
it truly will be #silentSpring
I say we also get the maga rurals to doubt the efficacy of antibiotics as well.
Won’t be hard.
They aren’t exactly the sharpest sling blades in the shed, if you know what I mean.
That's the real danger here.
But after 1/20/2025?
Then who will matter?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/cdc-h5n1-mutations-severely-ill-patient-could-boost-spread-risk-remains#:~:text=The%20genetic%20analysis%20of%20the,Control%20and%20Prevention%20(CDC).
Them not getting the vaccine means I am more likely to get it, even if there is a vaccine by then. It will still go around for much longer.
Last time h5n1 was big was the 1918 epidemic. It killed up to 1/10 of the population.
And IDGAF
Donald’s probably listening.
Gonna be a whole lot less anti-vaxxers after H5N1 runs it’s course
There is a vaccine for as well.
Don't worshipping false idols!
When you do, it seems to really make God mad. Just ask about the plagues and the Golden Calf.
Well, we'll know about Plague #2 soon enough because we people buy bibles from their false idol and shoes, cards, NFTs, etc.
We have more plagues coming. Thank MAGA
There is no vaccine for H5N1.
Yet.
It'd be up to NIH to coordinate the development.
The NIH that Trump and his smooth brained compatriots are about to defund.
We could depend on the EU
But Trump will likely refuse to allow the vaccine to be imported.
We have old style flu vaccines - nothing targeted at H5N1 specifically, and certainly nothing targeted at any mutations that may be occurring.
Likely it's going to take an mRNA (CRISPR) approach to address this quickly - just like COVID
Their usefulness is suspect at best.
I know this is meant tongue in cheek, but have to add, the antivax/antimask crowd is dangerous to everyone
that's why those who choose to opt out should have the freedom to live outside the civilizations they endanger
But what really sucks is all the rich MAGAt’s will be first in line for the vaccine, then lie about it.
There is a vaccine now, but not yet available in the US.
This isn't an issue where we can let the idiots stew in their own shit.
Innocents will be hurt if we do.
I bet even that Kennedy prick got all his Covid shots.
(Oh, and where is that 'Curse of the Kennedys' when you need it?)