We need a non-violent revolt against Trump's policies. As he responds to the revolt, he will further alienate more and more American citizens. Eventually, the entire country will rise up against him.
You're citing the _Heritage Foundation_ as a legal source?
I know that there are people who love the built-in-insurrection theory of the Constitution. But it's nonsense. Moreover, _it's_ recent_. Nobody thought that before the 1970s.
You said 'is precisely why the Second Amendment was written.'
I thought you were making a serious legal and historical argument. Now you're just saying "but the people in power now say this." That's an entirely different argument.
The second amendment was written by Jefferson who also wrote this to the son in law of John Adams, in the hopes that the second amendment would be passed
That letter doesn't say what you think it says. For one thing, Jefferson was downplaying the need for a Constitution. He was saying that rebellions will happen because common folk are ignorant, but this kind of conflict is normal.
Oh shit you're right about Madison. He's saying the people need to be armed and have the spirit of resistance. He was also dealing with a brand new liberal democracy, not a brand new oligarchy like we are.
He was saying you can reason with people, but you know we can't reason with trump. You know how they felt about tyrants and Paine said arguing with someone who has lost all reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
For *decades*, every time I see one of these goons take a swing for no good reason but greed, I remember the only thing allowing this,***keeping them alive***, is our collective respect for the rule of law.
so… what are people supposed to do? what do you suggest?
Full on run on parliament gruesomeness?
Or something maybe absurd & fun & easier. Like a massive walk out block party. Play board games with neighbours. Buy Canadian booze & Mexican nom noms & chill. and. shut. down. the. economy.
The pamphlets and nascent “newspapers” eroded the power of the king in the years before the 1789…Today the power lies with the “digital word”….that’s why Musk bought Twitter
We seem to be riding on the usurpation and abuse train.
Mad King George is being exploited by dystopian traitors and hateful true believing zealots. National tonic immobility. MAGAt Stockholm syndrome. Wake up, America. Please wake up.
Do individuals under that government’s yoke have standing to sue for negligence/fraud/whatever if they find their personal financial information has been breached provided to a private “citizen” (is he?) and his goons?
I understood that US officials cannot be personally sued for their official actions. But Musk and his DOGE minions are not technically government officials, afaik. So could they be sued for breach of privacy?
It matters not - the executive has more power than George III, massive forces from police to Ice to Pentagon.
The King and the Lords will pretty much do as they want and there is very little the subjects can do about it, since the final interpretation is at the Supreme Court.
Weak constitutionalism
The government doesn’t have 10% of the funds needed to go after everyone it needs to today. Think of all the rape kits, the tax frauds, the supposed illegal immigrants.
The government won’t and can’t come after you. Especially the one they are building with so many angry citizens.
This has been my thought. Why should we pay taxes if they are not going to represent us and steal the money. As an alternative, we can designate one of the blue states to collect our taxes to govern for the blue state compact.
Exactly. Law, as we've known itnfor centuries, has been developed to suppress our base instincts. We don't kill each tue offender if someone steals our goat. But if they want lawlessness, we'll then they can expect to su g protection for themselves or their families. FAFO
I've been thinking about that scene from Planet of the Apes (remake) where Caesar declares that Koba "not ape" before letting him fall to his death. In one reading, the injunction "ape not kill ape" is both prescriptive and descriptive. Koba forfeited his own claim when he killed other apes.
The problem with this plan is that states function by fiat. The government has legitimacy and power only if people believe it does, and these guys are currently speedrunning the destruction of that legitimacy
Even the Nazis weren’t dumb enough to blow up the economy and turn off the pension system, because they needed the state to function for ordinary Germans to secure their acquiescence
The power and granularity for control of the individual livelihoods, lives, and communications of every citizen and politician did not exist 90 years ago. Now it does and is concentrated in the hands of one man.
Which is weird coming from them because they're the ones who will say "you know, Hitler did *some* good things..." but now it's like they're going "what if we emulated Hitler, but only for the bad things?"
Not sure I agree about the blowback. Americans aren’t online like we are, and are pretty ambivalent about politics. The GOP is useless. In 2 years I’m not sure people will remember when it comes time for midterms.
Unless it goes REALLY bad.
You can tell this coup was planned by Elon Musk because it’s like somebody read about the rise of fascism but skipped all the boring chapters about consolidation of power and went straight to the insane totalitarian shit
In my worthless opinion news organizations that fail to accurately report, expose untruths and inform their readers/viewers of truth, whole truth and nothing but truth don’t deserve 1st Amendment protections either. Those protections are there for that purpose.
In other words, they have broken the social contract and we the people are under no obligation to follow laws, including ones that protect politicians or their billionaire sugar daddies.
Time to rise the fuck up people. Unless you want 50+ years of Trump family dictatorship.
Laws are works in progress, rules rewritten as the game is played. They are not infrequently tools of oppression and post-facto justification, and always selectively enforced. Laws merely create an illusion of morality and a veneer of entitlement.
Argue that to SCOTUS. Not only is Trump immune from prosecution (no way would they have found Obama or Biden immune), but the new order— according to the “unitary executive theory”—is that Trump IS the government. I agree with you, but I don’t see any way out of this authoritarian nightmare.
I cannot believe that it is legal to hand control of Federal payments to a private company (which DOGE is: neither it nor its Führer have Congressional approval). But is this something so staggeringly inappropriate that no law even covers it?
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I think it's now "is there enough time and power left in this world to stop it?"
https://bsky.app/profile/staidwinnow.cultofsundries.com/post/3ldhlx3pdzk2u
It sure as hell wasn’t written so boys and men could shoot kids in school like fish in a barrel.
This is something that was well-understood in American law until the 1970s, when the NRA became radicalized.
Sorry, but the gun culture is part of the problem here, not the solution.
The ones that have seized control of everything?
Those reactionaries?
I know that there are people who love the built-in-insurrection theory of the Constitution. But it's nonsense. Moreover, _it's_ recent_. Nobody thought that before the 1970s.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230815202046/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/27/opinion/us-second-amendment.html
Yes, I cited them for that very specific reason.
I thought you were making a serious legal and historical argument. Now you're just saying "but the people in power now say this." That's an entirely different argument.
Good night.
A person may think a rebellion is justified, but to say the Constitution itself provides grounds is inherently logically self-contradictory.
After all, it's not *you* going to the camps, right?
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/tree-liberty-quotation/#:~:text=The%20tree%20of%20liberty%20must,blood%20of%20patriots%20and%20tyrants.
That letter doesn't say what you think it says. For one thing, Jefferson was downplaying the need for a Constitution. He was saying that rebellions will happen because common folk are ignorant, but this kind of conflict is normal.
Once that catch gets flipped, good luck to them…
Full on run on parliament gruesomeness?
Or something maybe absurd & fun & easier. Like a massive walk out block party. Play board games with neighbours. Buy Canadian booze & Mexican nom noms & chill. and. shut. down. the. economy.
Our founders didn’t like tyrants or Kings
They gave The People the power and the rights to rebel against their own government.
Mad King George is being exploited by dystopian traitors and hateful true believing zealots. National tonic immobility. MAGAt Stockholm syndrome. Wake up, America. Please wake up.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
Why send our money for fees, registrations, taxes, any of it?
If the state no longer protects it's citizens, the state is no longer protected from it's citizens.
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/about/
#burythetoad
On that front I fear we are screwed.
That's a squad of armed goons in three letter uniforms, right?
But do go on.
The King and the Lords will pretty much do as they want and there is very little the subjects can do about it, since the final interpretation is at the Supreme Court.
Weak constitutionalism
The government won’t and can’t come after you. Especially the one they are building with so many angry citizens.
It is nearing the time to say,
"I do not consent."
Tearing down the state is just dumb.
The blowback from this will be spectacular.
Unless it goes REALLY bad.
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Time to rise the fuck up people. Unless you want 50+ years of Trump family dictatorship.
The problem right now is that anyone attempting to enforce those laws will receive an order from the president to stop.
Anyone citing those laws to prevent access will be fired.