Also, if you're a federal employee what's your confidence you're going to get the "buy out" for typing "resign" in the body of the buyout email since there doesn't seem to be any legal authority to make the offer?
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If you are a government worker even if you could use the money PLEASE PLEASE DONT! DON'T DO IT!!!! They are trying to stuff a government with already lined up heritage foundation members, loyal to Trump. IT WILL IMMEDIATELY REMOVE THE SYSTEMS ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST THIS HOSTILE TAKEOVER!!!
Dream is you get 80-90% of federal employees to take buyout at one time, entire fed govt. & America is essentially crippled. Would love to see Trump get out of that.
Pay attention to what is happening within the courts as well....if the "offer" is taken and you don't get paid (which will likely happen), getting in front of a judge will likely not happen.
The executive branch has zero legal authority to fund even one buyout, much less 2 million. Congress is control of all things monetary via the constitution and they do not have the funds allocated for any of this.
Do not respond to that email in any way shape or form.
Also, good luck getting unemployment after the fact if they have that in your area. Let them fire you & then draw unemployment where you can do it reflects in the actual numbers for TFG & his administration.
My husband is a disabled Vet that has served his fellow Veterans working for the VA for nearly 25 years. He’s on track to retire in Spring of ‘27….or at least he was! Who knows what happens now! He’s in management, so he’s not even protected by the Union. I’m incredibly concerned. #Resister 🙏💪💙🦋
Supposedly they just brought in their own email server and plugged it into the network which is why the test emails went out to people working for the courts and contractors because they don't know the system.
So in the 70s the 🍊💩 stiffed contractors who worked in construction, design, all aspects of creating his hotels and casinos. It broke many people and businesses. They had to sue for their $ and were paid pennies on the dollar or not at all. My late fil was one. It almost killed him. I want this
I am so confused. What are people reading? Is the media deliberately mischaracterizing this whole thing? You get the option to resign, continue working from home, your job duties may change though and your last day will be in September. You don’t get paid while NOT working. It doesn’t say that.
The President doesn’t have the authority to offer this. It’s not funded, not approved by Congress, and violates civil service protection laws. AND we are protected with laws to retain our apolitical standing regardless of what party is in charge. Saying we will have to prove our “loyalty” is illegal
The sitting president doesn’t seem to care if he violates the law nor does he seem to care what is in his authority to do or not do. Regardless, it’s NOT a severance package like the original post I responded to said. The letter lets you resign and continue working from home until September.
It would cost ~$170B and no one on the planet has the ability to rapidly scale to 2 million employees, let alone those that keep an entire government running.
I've been project manager on a number of spinups over the years, and hell, it can take months for 10 people depending on how many processes there are. Lol even new hire/nesting of people on current programs is around 12 weeks
My number is off and you are correct. My apologies and thank you for the correction. Number closer to $200B, not $2T; and assumed $150,000 salary. Sorry.
Last time, we had a dumb president and capable people around him . This time, we still have that same dumb president, but he's surrounded by blood thirsty, ignorant fatuous poppinjays .
He had several, and they turned on him. That’s why the first admin had so much turnover. When they decided someone had a spine they cut them loose, but those people were able to thwart the really horrible shit he wanted&had the goal of governing-ish. These don’t.
Let us say that the people around him didn't know they were supposed to be fascists trying to destroy the US government. This time, that's their purpose.
They knew. They were just incompetent. This time, they realized they don’t need competence as they can do any & everything openly & notoriously, & no one will touch them. 🤬
They knew they were there to do whatever he wanted. It’s the same thing. His first administration was full of incompetent people. It’s just that this time around the people are even worse. But let’s not retcon it into Trump 1.0 being normal.
Never said Trump 1.0 was "normal." But the norm of following the law was still there for most people in his administration. There were lines that even pretty egregious people were unwilling to cross. Now, far more people not only want to cross lines, they want to erase them.
Indicative of the real welfare queens and terrorists you need to worry about, not someone from another country, they're right in your backyard, running multi-billion dollar corporations, and holding office.
Your oppression is their profession
Not only no legal authority, but no funding for this has been allocated in the budget. He is trying to get people to resign so he can replace them with MAGA hats.
Ended work in DEI for sure but unless employees are 1st year probationary period they are now working elsewhere in agency while separation is legally processed. The reduction in force laws are very specific.
Well as I keep trying to tell people, it doesn't matter. Of course they will find legal impediments. They're counting on it so it goes to SCOTUS. Congress bypassed. But in the meantime, while in court, our badges stay deactivated, our seats go empty and admin pay doesn't come in. They win we lose.
Oh, but you have the guarantee of Donald Trump. Who has such a sterling reputation for keeping his word, faithfully paying his bills and treating his former employees with dignity and fairness.
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I hope everybody quits. Not just high level but low level employees. I hope the entire secret service resigns, and there's no one to protect him. I hope there's no one anywhere to carry out his orders. Yes, I know they will eventually be replaced, but the replacements will be unqualified morons.
I think "DOGE" and the current admin would use any response to these emails as indication you are not in support of their agenda. Which means you'd be signaling to them your political affiliation, which I'm relatively certain they'll use against you somehow, at some time. And not in a fun way.
Opinion:
1. It gives them a list of people who aren’t “loyal.”
2. It creates a lot more pressure in various agencies as the ones who opt to stay are required to do the extra work which leads to
3. More people quitting without the buyout = cost savings.
I know at least a handful of people where I work will do it because they aren’t very smart, period. I bet the lower level support jobs get targeted for this for that exact reason. There’s already been a whisper that my job is about to cover more tasks.
It's deferred retirement, not a buyout. Employees may or may not be required to work and may (or may not) be paid until September, but must "resign" by February 6. It is simply a resignation with the ability to keep your benefits. A true buyout is different.
There’s also been another post about the legality of the email in question. Not to mention, if said employee were to reply to email, they could put their pensions in jeopardy! Senator Tim Kaine was on floor suggesting all employees pause!!
I hope and pray that NO-ONE!!! goes for this lie and trap!!!! Dump & Elmo don't have the funds or the authority to do this!! Show up for work everyday and do your job! ... They want to gut the workforce? ...Let them fire you!
I am not a federal employee but wow just wow what you are all dealing with. I am sorry I may not be there in person but I stand I. Spirit with you all . Much respect
I help citizens change their lives & have nearly 25 yrs of proof. It is the one on one gratitude from the civilians I serve while working inside the government that makes me proud. Everyday someone tells me that I was not what they expected & that's a good thing. I have 7 more yrs to go. Hopefully.
I read the letter, I think yeah it's very risky to type "resign" into an email like that. It's not a buy out though at least, it's a "deferred resignation" that takes effect in September.
It's less likely to evaporate than a buy out but I still wouldn't trust that shit.
I once took a buyout of my federal job it was a force reduction, I took it to save a job of someone with less seniority. That was at a time when I could trust the government to follow through. I believe now that I would not trust trump. Bait and switch. Firing the head of the NLRB is a big clue.
He definitely will not pay them the severance agreed to! They will have to fight legally to get it... which they won't have the $ to do. It's all a grift.
They get a buyout; ex-military who quit get 3 extra years of pay and benefits if they come back … where is all this money coming from? I thought we were broke.
We are better than this! It’s time to stop being the punching bag for his rage and mean-spiritedness. These agencies should disregard these illegal executive orders. Shame him by showing up like he doesn't exist. Too many lives depend on these programs. Resist! #resist #executiveorders
Don't do it!!!! He NEVER pays people. Look at his track record. It's a ploy to get you to leave voluntarily, making the despot's plan easier to execute.
"unless the agency head determines that it is necessary for the employee to be actively engaged in transitioning job duties" which means you work for 8 months.
Please. The offer is a joke. As I should have expected, it is amateurish, very disorganized and likely illegal. Same subject line as Twitter massacre years ago. What a bad much of maroons.
if you voted for trump or are a maga supporter you should 100% take the offer.
i mean, what could possibly go wrong when trump promises to do something?
There’s no buyout. It’s a deceptive email that attempts to trick people into thinking they’re getting a severance package but in reality it just allows the employee to work from home for 8 months while collecting a paycheck. Trump thinks the federal workforce is as stupid as the general public.
Trump overplayed his hand with the federal workforce who tend to be more highly educated than his average supporter. Fed employees are used to taking vague and ambiguous laws and regulations and making sense of it and turn it into actionable programs. They weren’t going to be fooled by this
my friend works for the federal government and these emails are insane. some of them are coming from outside their IT environment. it can't be legal yet here we are.
And when you don’t get your money, bring it to court. 😂🤣😂🤣
THEY OWN THE COURTS. 😱
They have taken away LAW AND ORDER. 😡
The dictator and his trum-pets own the country. Unless you’re very very rich ( billionaire) they have no need for you.
Seems too blatant to be Trump's plan. It's not that he is above doing that, just that it would create an inexplicable scandal if he tried to cheat them out of the buyout.
Drumpf’s media stenographers are spreading his misinformation for him as planned -& as per usual. It’s not a 7 month severance: it’s a promise to WORK for 7 more months, to get him through to the end of the Fed FY, at which point, there will be no more obligated funds & he can truly play Nero.
I worked for a company that politely and cheerfully asked employees for 2 weeks notice when quitting, but would immediately--within 30 minutes of giving that notice--send you out the door without any further pay beyond that day.
I am honestly not sure any of this is legal? And the union said not to touch it so I am going to trust them over anyone else. So basically you resign in 8 months and it's paid leave or your regular job. But I don't trust anyone to do a good job if they are about to quit.
The $25,000 buyout number was first used about 25-30 years ago; when the buyout would be in the ballpark with salary.
I may very well be wrong, but I think buyouts are already in the bills for the agencies to operate. Congress needs to get engaged because the lack of funds. (1/2)
I'm not even going to bother trying to look up anything official, but I'm guessing they can't say to the whole federal workforce...take a buyout or your fired. I know everyone wants to poop on what can and can't be done right now, but just seems like something that would be covered
It’s not a severance they are offering, it’s a sort of guarantee to be employed, keep working as usual, until September 30th, and then you’re done and good bye.
That applies to individuals who are under investigation, which this action would not fall under. For situations not related to investigations, administrative leave may be granted for a longer period depending on agency policy, there is no limit specified.
They will be working. The email doesn’t say you get to stop working just that you can continue to telework or whatever you are doing now until 9/30 and then get out. There is no buyout. It’s a fiction.
Yes, guess the agency determines how long it takes to transfer your duties...then once that is done, your placed on admin leave until your termination date.
Illegal based on what policy or law? OPM put out guidance in a separate memo, signed by the acting director saying to have duties transfered or eliminated as soon as possible and placed them on admin leave which is paid.
Admin leave because the agency transferred their duties? As I recall from my time heading a small, local federal office (albeit in the Judicial branch), admin leave is very narrow to non-existent. Although I guess Musk's law breakers could just approve it.
How do you figure they’d get more than they already make? The alleged “reasonable” severance? If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might want to buy. The king of shorting his contractors should be trusted? 😂
I said they would NOT get more than they already make...there is no severance/bonus/other related to this, basically, you get paid until 30 SEP 25 and then terminate service with the gov...or retire if your eligible during that time.
I guess what I am reacting to is the sense that this is no big deal. This is likely not legal. The whole movement is based on the notion that fed workers are lazy goldbrickers. If you get 2 million people-even half that-unemployed at the same time, the economy will crash. So many more problems here.
If it's obligated to the position, not the person, then the money for the buy outs would need to be separately appropriated by Congress, as the position's salary would go to whoever is hired to fill the role. No?
The position is still encumbered by the individual until they are actually separated (30 SEP 25), so the funds are still tied to them and the agency would not be able to fill it (if they even elect to do so) until it is vacated. They can start a vice fill action, but cant fill until it is vacated.
I know there is a bit of confusion over what the buyout process is. But if the intent is to put them on administrative leave until September does the Trump admin intend to let those positions effectively go vacant/undone until October?
Years ago (appx14) my son in law who works(present) at Honda in Ohio… was offered a buyout package to voluntarily resign prior to layoffs. It was a company wide offer. He refused. Then went to therapy due to the stress! He was out on paid leave. Then returned and is still there today. Start therapy
Silly people... people think that this isn't an Elon move.... DOGE in action despite not being a real agency by Congress yet. Elon tested this with CA and Xitter.
There’s no buy out. It doesn’t say you get to quit before September, it just says you don’t have to come into the office (keep teleworking) and won’t be fired before then.
The trick is, if you don’t accept it, they imply you are accepting all their new terms—No telework, “Performance Culture” etc.
Who is funding this scheme? Taxpayers, no doubt. But we need to cut expenses. and reduce the debt that is there because the RICH do not pay their share.
I’m reading that it’s not really a buyout. I’m hearing that if they resign, they can work from home until September and will be given a full pay after September, they’re done and cut off.
@chrislhayes.bsky.social lawsuit from anonymous fed employees alleges an Elon Musk employee set up a server inside OPM to send emails on its behalf and collect data https://bsky.app/profile/schock.cc/post/3lgroipzjos2l
Is it possible to just walk into OPM, plug a device into an ethernet port and have enough access to run an email server that can send to all internal addresses?
Sounds like they've given him completely free reign over everything?
It seems to me this is a scam to identify the ones to fire. Properly structured and legal buy out offers usually take months to get right. It cannot be done in a few days.
There is no legal authority and no way they are going to get a "buy out." Again, an offer he can't deliver on. I hope no one sent in their resignation - this is a good way for them to target these employees and say they aren't "loyal."
Especially coming from a president who is notoriously known for not paying contractors, attorneys, workers, etc in his own company. It's part of the reason he doesn't really do real estate anymore, and filed bankruptcy 6 times.
No one who works for a living is going to make this big of a decision in a week. The only people who MAY consider it are people already planning a move to leave.
If they get 1% of the federal workforce to fall for this, I’ll be surprised.
“The federal employees received an interesting email at the end of the day today,” Kaine said on Tuesday, referring to the buyout email. “So tender your resignation, you’re just gonna get paid for seven months without working. The president has no authority to make that offer!”
A close relative is a fed employee with zero confidence that the “buyout” is even legal, let alone that the government would hold up its end of the “offer.” I expect the only people who will even try this are those who are already eligible for full federal retirement benefits.
anyone who thinks that Trump isn't going to welch on the buyouts is an idiot....this is a man who just wants people to type in RESIGN, and then he's going to screw 'em
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God speed everyone.
Do not respond to that email in any way shape or form.
ignoring any communication is probably the best. call their bluff...
DO NOT!
We all know how that story ends.
https://youtu.be/krcTQE46bPk?si=95A2pscbUKAibkfQ
This is a VERY BAD thing trying to look benign. There’s a reason so many fed employees are pissed about it and why Sen. Tim Kaine told us don’t do it.
It would cost ~$170B and no one on the planet has the ability to rapidly scale to 2 million employees, let alone those that keep an entire government running.
Insane.
I built a workforce of 1,500 from scratch and it took a lot of months and a lot of resources.
2 million is simply not possible.
I’m all for that, actually. I look forward to watching guys like Jesse Waters try to survive when money is worthless.
But I didn’t see anything about $25k. I did $2M employees at an average of $106k a year for 8 months.
It’s an unnecessary cost that will shut this country down.
Absolutely insane.
Your oppression is their profession
In history!!!
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1. It gives them a list of people who aren’t “loyal.”
2. It creates a lot more pressure in various agencies as the ones who opt to stay are required to do the extra work which leads to
3. More people quitting without the buyout = cost savings.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=132594
Click all the way through to the Meme. THX!
https://bsky.app/profile/demgranny.bsky.social/post/3lgudsf3l3s2g
It's less likely to evaporate than a buy out but I still wouldn't trust that shit.
#RESIST
Emails and texts written on your work computer can be subpoenaed.
https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Guidance%20Memo%20re%20Deferred%20Resignation%20Program%201-28-2025.pdf
It’s equivalent to quitting
There is no win for you
i mean, what could possibly go wrong when trump promises to do something?
THEY OWN THE COURTS. 😱
They have taken away LAW AND ORDER. 😡
The dictator and his trum-pets own the country. Unless you’re very very rich ( billionaire) they have no need for you.
IT'S A COUP
STOP THE COUP
STOP THE COUP
https://commonslibrary.org/10-things-you-need-to-know-to-stop-a-coup/
When did Congress appropriate the funds?
I may very well be wrong, but I think buyouts are already in the bills for the agencies to operate. Congress needs to get engaged because the lack of funds. (1/2)
The trick is, if you don’t accept it, they imply you are accepting all their new terms—No telework, “Performance Culture” etc.
Sounds like they've given him completely free reign over everything?
If they get 1% of the federal workforce to fall for this, I’ll be surprised.
You think Trump made the offer without consulting an attorney?