the answer to this sort of insipid bullshit is always to shift focus to the politicians failing to reach those voters. the democrats could have won, laughably easily, with different tactics. they could have not sent bombs to be dropped on kids for a year, for a start. but they didn't want to change - ThreadSky

shaunvids.bsky.social • 98 days ago

the answer to this sort of insipid bullshit is always to shift focus to the politicians failing to reach those voters. the democrats could have won, laughably easily, with different tactics. they could have not sent bombs to be dropped on kids for a year, for a start. but they didn't want to change

Reposted from Aaron Rupar

I’ll never get over that all of this was avoidable and our kids could’ve had a better future had voters just made the obviously rational choice in November. It’s water under the bridge now. But what the fuck, people.

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coestar.live•98 days ago

"Why didn't you stop the ship from sinking!?" shouted the people who wouldn't let anyone repair the holes in the ship. "It could have sunk a little bit later!"

singemonkey.bsky.social•98 days ago

They would be utterly unbeatable if they gave up their allegiance to the investor class. But unfortunately most of them are *in* that class and would be happier for the Republicans to win if that’s what it takes.

pastorpaulnyou.bsky.social•98 days ago

I saw a fucking ad where it was a guy on a farm like riding on a tractor talking about what a Republican he was, and why, BECAUSE HE WAS A REPUBLICAN, he was voting for Harris. It took everything in me to not scream at the tv in that doctor’s waiting room, “I HATE REPUBLICANS. WHAT NOW??”

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

They really just want to be the party of Reagan for some fucking reason. The Republicans aren't that, and so they think "excellent, now we can be the Republicans of the 80s, who everyone loved and whose legacy is very highly regarded." Instead of the obvious which is that shit doesn't work anymore.

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

Like they really cannot accept that the people who put Reagan and Bush I into office are all either dead, or else were only voting that way because there weren't any more rabidly fascist options available. Maybe a small number became Dems. But my Reagan voting parents just vote Green in protest now.

pastorpaulnyou.bsky.social•98 days ago

My dad was an old timey labor civil rights lib with a dash of bootstrap bullshit so he fit squarely in the Democrat fold until he died. Genuinely sad I didn’t get to talk to him about the Kamala campaign.

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

I think this sentiment overestimates how many people abstained because of Israel’s genocide specifically.

wissewords.bsky.social•98 days ago

29 percent of 2020 Biden voters:

https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

I’m willing to accept I might be wrong here (I do think I’ve had a blind spot to this), but a few things:
1. If Harris promised to stop sending arms to Israel, would some Harris voters have otherwise voted Trump?

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

2. That’s 29% of Biden voters *who didn’t vote for Harris*, so 29% of (81 million – 75 million) = 1.7 million or so. Even if the answer to my first question is No, she still would have lost the popular vote. Whether she would have won EC idk (the article seems to think Yes, but I’m not sure).

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

These were questions in good faith. It’s frustrating the conversation got derailed away from them.

curiouslysus.bsky.social•97 days ago

It doesn’t matter. What matters is getting to some of the 15 million people who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for murderous terrorists again. Get them, and these hypothetical, almost entirely non-actual republicans who could be swayed don’t matter even slightly

benpen.bsky.social•97 days ago

I think I agree with that

curiouslysus.bsky.social•97 days ago

Yeah, an unfortunate (but apparently for the democrats somehow unseen?) side effect of saying almost nothing but “look at them, they’re somehow even shitter than we are” as a campaign strategy, is making people lose interest in the electoral system

rockthekoopa.bsky.social•98 days ago

it should be embarrassing to say you have a blind spot for support of genocide, but yakubian apes can't help themselves

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

I have a blind spot for polling of Biden voters who didn’t vote for Harris, but feel free to read my comments in bad faith

rockthekoopa.bsky.social•98 days ago

hmmm

totaltim.bsky.social•98 days ago

No. The vast majority of Democratic and even independent voters wanted a ceasefire months before the election.

benpen.bsky.social•98 days ago

That’s true, I’m referring to the minority of democrats that are zionists

ladyaranea.bsky.social•97 days ago

Fuck'em. Way more people would have voted for her than swapped parties. Look at what happened under Obama, for instance; he certainly lost Hillary voters to the GOP, but he still handily won after running on Hope and Change.

asa-the-red.bsky.social•98 days ago

happymemeco.bsky.social•98 days ago

How were they supposed to support our radical and crazy policies like *checks notes* all humans deserve food and shelter? It's truly our fault for not realizing we were asking for too much.

crocwearer.bsky.social•98 days ago

one of the main purposes of Democracy round here is to blame regular people for what the government does

blinding.bsky.social•98 days ago

Not to mention not having a primary, not contesting the results (especially with comments made recently about Musk and PA,) and generally operating under a policy of "we know better than you voter." They're just as complicit in allowing this to happen.

elireusch.bsky.social•98 days ago

It’s their go-to tactic when they’re licking their wounds. Blame the voters. Engage in no introspection whatsoever.

Meanwhile they’re figuring out how to rig the next primary for the most donor-friendly ineffectual centrist.

sunderdawn.bsky.social•98 days ago

the republicans are rabid dogs. they can't be reasoned with because they're a force of nature and circumstance. yelling at them after they bite someone will feel good but won't do anything; we gotta yell at the dogcatcher who was asleep on the job.

warrenwp.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's really funny to me that these guys still can't turn on the actual enemy, they just pick fights with the people they already chased off.

littlecolt.bsky.social•98 days ago

Yes well, now when things don't get better re Israel/Gaza, I can get that little rage hit with just a hint of smug.

shaunvids.bsky.social•98 days ago

people aren't robots. the harm reduction pitch can't be genocide vs genocide+1. a lot of people are going to not be able to sign up to support that, and they're not wrong in the slightest, & nobody gets to judge them

civildisorder.bsky.social•98 days ago

Exactly, we're already at the point of genocide. The only different action that can be taken is stopping it entirely. Instead Democrats tried to frame it as, "Instead of genocide with a maniacal grin, we'll do genocide with a frowny face."

qoop.ca•98 days ago

I mean, we can judge them if we want to, but it won't change anything. Finger-wagging doesn't actually do anything, regardless of how correct you are.

lizviz27.bsky.social•98 days ago

You'd be shocked how many blue maga people are in outright denial about the genocide or that Biden is in anyway responsibil

lantro.bsky.social•98 days ago

Why do they get a pass on judgement?

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•98 days ago

Yeah. I judge them as ignorant, unconcerned about fascism, and blasé about the lives of the vulnerable.

I can hold many judgments at once.

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's also not genocide v genocide+1, it's genocide v. the destruction of democracy, the destruction of the international order, and the promotion of might makes right.

Lot of things they didn't care about. Little they did.

dangerfield.bsky.social•98 days ago

When do the people in Gaza get access to this democracy? Because it seems like we’d rather bomb them into oblivion than allow them to live in a free society.

dangerfield.bsky.social•98 days ago

Point being: in a democratic society, we wouldn’t have to choose between genocidal lunatics. We don’t have that and therefore might ALREADY makes right.

moonstruckella.bsky.social•98 days ago

Hey man, what's it called when you don't actually get to vote for who you want and have to give it to a person handpicked by the party

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•98 days ago

Can you name me a single leftist who has ever held the office of the President? Can you name one who even came in second?

You're voting for an opponent.

saddestrobots.bsky.social•97 days ago

the problem is that most democratic voters and the overwhelming — crushing! — majority of democratic politicians are also like that

almost nobody is equipped for this moment and our "leaders" (harris included) are pathologically avoidant

(i have been a consistent democratic voter btw)

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•97 days ago

Sure. But if the consequences of not voting are to obviously accelerate that process that not doing a very simple act to impede it makes one complicit.

And I will remind them.

saddestrobots.bsky.social•97 days ago

focusing on just the one act seems kinda blinkered to me

there are thousands and thousands of simple acts people could be doing that they're not doing

hell, they could go out and [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] right now if they felt strongly enough about it

saddestrobots.bsky.social•97 days ago

donald trump should have been dead or in jail by 2024

this was *the* centerpiece of biden's 2020 electoral mandate

and the party just fucked it up real hard and then acted like it was no big deal

even now there's like 2 elected democrats willing to call a nazi a nazi

rockthekoopa.bsky.social•98 days ago

it's a two way street, anyone with a conscience will judge you as a genocidal pos :)

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•98 days ago

Great, so because I also care about my black and Latino students, trans kids, the simple continued existence of the Dept. of Education, the IDEA, and the concept of FAPE I must not care about genocide.

Bullshit. Self righteous bullshit. See how any of that goes next election :)

rockthekoopa.bsky.social•98 days ago

even crackers play the race card now when they want to support genocide, what a fascist freak

elkilg.bsky.social•98 days ago

Not wanting to support genocide is explicitly not being blasé about the lives of the vulnerable.

spicypeanutsauce.bsky.social•98 days ago

That genocide is still going to happen but I spent Wednesday providing a safe place to a trans student who was told by classmates Trump will send her and her parents to prison.

Blasé AND self-righteous.

sappo7.bsky.social•98 days ago

Its recent acute phase literally got stopped because of that wretched man, and would likely be ongoing still if the presidential election went the other way. The democrats should have room to protect everyone but explicitly chose supporting genocide over protecting trans people and immigrants here

leafachi.bsky.social•98 days ago

you're going to have a completely miserable life

elkilg.bsky.social•98 days ago

Good for you.

utumno4.bsky.social•98 days ago

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

I think a lot of Americans are really stuck on the idea that the election outcome is a real reflection of what the people wanted. That more than half of the people really did vote for that guy. Rather than the reality that slightly more than a third did.

clambake.bsky.social•98 days ago

And a not insignificant number of them did so begrudgingly and would have voted for someone else under different circumstances

the17thqueen.bsky.social•98 days ago

As a rapidly-begrudgeful voter, I can tell you it’s getting really old 😒 This could so easily have gone the other way, had “Dem strategists” listened to the folks most likely to be hurt by the GOP, instead of appealing to GOP embarrassed by Trump. Pure strategy fail.

mammothfactory.bsky.social•98 days ago

in the same way that medieval europe's ruling class preached that the king ruled with the favor of god, democracies must pretend that their rulers represent some mythical will of the people

problemfellow.bsky.social•98 days ago

Technically less than a third, which would be 33.3~%

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

Even the ones who know it intellectually can't seem to incorporate it into their worldview. So it comes back to "if people had only made the obvious choice" instead of "if the other guy hadn't alienated so many voters and had done something about the rampant voting suppression in this country."

moonstruckella.bsky.social•98 days ago

Yea they keep saying "half of America" as if every single citizen got in and voted while pointing at a chart showing undecided/did not vote dwarfing both and going "what's all this then"

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

Shhhhh, don't look at that part of the chart. We don't talk about that part.

But fr I hate the term "undecided." I wasn't undecided. I *DECIDED* not to vote. That was a conscious choice that reflected my politics. And they'll call me lazy or apathetic but I'm nothing of the sort.

stormypanda.bsky.social•98 days ago

They’re more willing to push the narrative that a woman of color could never be president rather than the much easier to swallow reality that Kamala just didn’t offer people enough incentive to vote for her

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

Who was it that posted that tweet after 2016? "The dems are going to take a long look at themselves in the mirror and say 'we gotta be more racist.'" Or something like that.

stormypanda.bsky.social•98 days ago

Turns out they really wanted to get more transphobic from my experience

moonstruckella.bsky.social•98 days ago

One of the few conspiracies I fully believe is they only let her run after seeing Biden was gonna get worked so they could point and go "can't let the females or the blacks run, we're too bigoted" instead of facing how shitty they are

stormypanda.bsky.social•98 days ago

As long as they can keep up the delusion that they’re the most progressive people alive they can be a little racist for pragmatic reasons I guess

myleslobdell.bsky.social•98 days ago

People who didn't vote are still effectively complicit; not voting against Trump is basically an endorsement. At least that's the way the rest of the world will see it.

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

And the ones who wanted Trump will say I effectively voted against Harris. I don't care what any of them think. I care about being able to live with myself, and I could not in good conscience sign my name onto genocide.

pinkoscare.bsky.social•98 days ago

And it also doesn't fucking matter anyway. Illinois went blue, like it always does. The electoral system in this country is largely a sham. I see no reason why I should participate in it just so I can make an official declaration in support of a president who will deport immigrants and bomb Gaza.

detryckvondoom.bsky.social•97 days ago

Can we also talk about how we seem to keep forgetting that WE DON’T ACTUALLY ELECT OUR FUCKING LEADER because say what you will about the last two elections we all know for a FACT that we all voted for the other person JUST THREE ELECTIONS AGO PEOPLE HOW DID WE FORGET?

brentscipio.bsky.social•98 days ago

I tried to explain to someone that when your family is being starved, bombed, forced to evacuate their homes for over a year, voting in an election between two people that are both supporting the violence financially and morally isn't easy. It's hard not to just wash your hands of it all.

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

Isn't that unfair to that +1? Isn't it incumbent on people to always do what will minimize suffering? Not really talking about the election, just in general, isn't the life of that +1 worth saving?

shaunvids.bsky.social•98 days ago

again, shift your focus to the people with power. the real harm reduction would be not doing a genocide & asking people to support it. they do not occupy a fixed position

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

I 100% agree, I think the Democrats suck turds, I think The Hague is too good for Netanyahu, I agree with all of it, don't get me wrong. It just amazes me how quick people are like "I'm tired I don't care" when presented with a binary decision that hypothetically could save a human life

rockthekoopa.bsky.social•98 days ago

you cannot pretend to care about human life when you are supporting a genocide. It is not hard to get.

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

Who in the world says I support genocide man, I'm against genocide and think Israel is a colonial genocidal state, don't presume to know what I want. It's just odd to me that people immediately default to, like, fuck that one person, it's not worth it

bleaksigilkeep.bsky.social•98 days ago

Genocide+1 vs genocide is like infinity+1 vs infinity. They are the exact same thing

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

I see what you mean and I respect that, I will never mess with someone who votes/acts their conscience. It's just wild to me, like I said, that strictly in that scenario, binary choice, you can't stop the crime but you can save even one person, people are like nah, I'm good

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's like if you donate. You can't stop the genocide, you can't affect the political matter in any way, at least I can't. But maybe that one kid can get lunch. Isn't that worth it?

bleaksigilkeep.bsky.social•98 days ago

It wasn't a binary choice though, that's a bad faith assertion. Because clearly, enough people who usually vote for democrats chose to vote third party or stay home.

fedef.bsky.social•98 days ago

And I get, and that's their right. I think in practice w/r/t Gaza it was a binary choice though because one of only two options was actually gonna win. But my beef isn't with that either way. My astonishment is with people being selective abut which lives are worth saving and which aren't

bleaksigilkeep.bsky.social•98 days ago

If anything the binary was vote for genocide or don't vote for genocide and genocide was always going to win

moonstruckella.bsky.social•98 days ago

The whole lesser evil thing is why we're here now. You just keep voting for the "less bad option" while the worst one gets increasingly worse unhindered until you have people saying I'd vote for 99% Hitler over 100% unironically

gaykwon.bsky.social•98 days ago

ch00-ch00.bsky.social•98 days ago

Harm reduction is objectively correct, like it wasn't a single issue campaign on Gaza. As a red state queer you're just wrong here. Protests votes sold us out. I dont hold a grudge but they were given a choice and made the wrong one and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.

polearmguy.bsky.social•98 days ago

People said they wouldn't vote for genocide and the Dems kept facilitating genocide. I think the people who kept facilitating genocide are the ones responsible there.

ch00-ch00.bsky.social•98 days ago

More than one person or group can be responsible for a problem. And if you care about genocide you should also care about the immigrants and queer people in the US. We shouldnt just had the keys to a dictator because liberals suck.

polearmguy.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's true more than one person or group can be responsible. In this case the democrats are responsible.

ladyaranea.bsky.social•97 days ago

They weren't protest votes. They were people who saw Harris tell people who were begging her to stop helping murder their families that she was speaking and to go vote for Trump, and read that as her lack of willingness to meaningfully protect marginalized people.

ch00-ch00.bsky.social•97 days ago

Thats not a car it's just a four wheeled vehicle! Dude there are ICE agents in the street rounding up my fucking neighbors I dont want anyone to die but there was a lessor of too evils and if you don't choose the lesser you DEFAULT choose the greater.

ladyaranea.bsky.social•97 days ago

The "lesser evil" literally created the foundation for ICE. Bill Clinton is the one who signed the law that criminalized undocumented immigration in the first place, around the same time he ended same-sex marriage on the federal level. Harris was promising to be STRICTER on the border than Trump.

dawn-oh.bsky.social•98 days ago

protest votes are just factually not why kamala lost

ch00-ch00.bsky.social•98 days ago

Fair, probably, dont think that's the easiest thing to evidence but I assume your correct. Doesnt change the fact that the protest vote as an idea is hypocritical, and sold a lot of queers and immigrants in this country down the river for moral comfort.

utumno4.bsky.social•98 days ago

Nope.

thephooka.bsky.social•98 days ago

Naw I can be mad at both groups. I can understand the thinking and still be mad about it bc I have to suffer the consequences, watch me

veerenderjubbal.bsky.social•98 days ago

Harm reduction should not have ever been used outside of addictions, drug use, and those areas because even self-proclaimed leftists have yelled at me about “Trump being worse,” as if even means anything. People really have shown their true selves over the past year, and cannot fathom situation.

antifashionaktion.bsky.social•98 days ago

The genocide+1 we were promised turned into a ceasefire so their argument falls apart even on its own premise

morganwick.bsky.social•97 days ago

I doubt genocide is what cost Harris the election; a vanishingly small set of extremely online leftists care about that. Despite what they want to think, the vast majority of people don't actually consider all humans to be morally equivalent. (See: Trump's popularity.)

echoechotish.bsky.social•97 days ago

There is a poll that states it was one of the biggest reasons with the economy. You're wrong. https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Can y'all stop bashing leftists - going right is why they lost!! There already is a right wing party and people don't want GOP lite. It's veen proven!!!

morganwick.bsky.social•97 days ago

My position has been that the Democrats should go left, but on the economy and breaking up the oligarchy of the 1%. So much of what Trump voters say should be right in Democrats' wheelhouse, but their refusal to lean into it only proves the point.

morganwick.bsky.social•97 days ago

Basically, I agree with this. https://bsky.app/profile/ladyaranea.bsky.social/post/3lgm4wmqotc2i

echoechotish.bsky.social•97 days ago

Okay but it still stands that the genocide was the biggest factor for expected voters who stayed home.

ladyaranea.bsky.social•97 days ago

Trump's popularity hinges entirely on a pervasive hatred of a system that doesn't represent any of us except the 1%. Neoliberal refusal to address any of the causal factors to that provided fertile ground for fascists to misdirect the blame from the 1% to marginalized groups.

parvesh.bsky.social•98 days ago

💯💯💯

echoechotish.bsky.social•97 days ago

What an ignorant post - we would still be watching the slaughter of Palestinians. I hate Trump with a passion but his presidency is needed to get people off their asses to push for real change (probably by way of revolution but it is what it is). Fuck em all!

tavitafish.bsky.social•98 days ago

Also completely ignores the fact that the number of people who voted other candidates that would've voted Dems wasn't even all that high

brokeshealds.bsky.social•98 days ago

They could have forced Biden out when there was time for an actual primary instead of forcing a candidate on the public that the public clearly didn't want.

veothfolnir.bsky.social•98 days ago

Yeah, I don't want to give a pass to those that voted for Trump but we shouldn't ignore that building a world in wich this didn't happen was stupidly easy and dems just didn't want to stop being spineless protectors of the profits of the elite.

erikawas.bsky.social•98 days ago

What? You think the people that voted for Trump cared about that? A small bs protest vote didn’t accomplish this as retribution I hate to burst your high and mighty bubble. The American people being bigots did. They played right into his tiny hands.

malcmanishere.bsky.social•98 days ago

The thing that really grinded my gears during that whole cycle was the voluntary fear-mongering some Democrats did with Trump again, even though they'd be perfectly fine if Trump won or not.

It's not like their livelihoods were on the line.

einkleiner.com•98 days ago

But Shaun, the government is a large metal box and I'm personally responsible for all its actions if I don't move the lever that changes the expression it genocides people with from a smile to a frown

headfallsoff.com•98 days ago

when 99% hitler, who i support btw, loses: what the fuck, people

homeric-dandy.bsky.social•98 days ago

Bombing children was more important to the Dems than beating Trump.

no-funeral.bsky.social•98 days ago

I thought I was paying attention for the last 6 months but weren't the Democrats throwing trans women and undocumented people under the bus? what bright future? all I saw was a slightly less bleak future

sidslang.bsky.social•98 days ago

Every time I see that guy saying anything other than "wow" over a Fox News clip, it's insipid bullshit.

wildlystrollingben.bsky.social•98 days ago

I am skeptical that Gaza made much difference one way or the other. The sad truth is that a small passionate group cared about the plight of Palestinians. Another small passionate group called the first group Hamas fifth columnists. But most in the US didn’t care.

wildlystrollingben.bsky.social•98 days ago

The two decisive factors in that election were: 1. Biden stepping down too late and not leaving Harris enough time to define herself (as well as allowing Republicans to portray it as a “coup”). 2. The assassination attempt on Trump giving him sympathy…

wildlystrollingben.bsky.social•98 days ago

It’s frustrating for people who care about policy, but this election had less to do with policy than any other US presidential election in my lifetime. And we have to acknowledge that.

wissewords.bsky.social•98 days ago

29 percent of 2020 Biden voters said Gaza was the reason they didn't vote in 2024.

wildlystrollingben.bsky.social•98 days ago

Where did you get that info?

nabilsamandari.bsky.social•98 days ago

Not only that, but it is MUCH easier for a single powerful individual to change their mind and approach than it is for hundreds of thousands of voters to change their momentum.

To hold the voters solely responsible means ignoring whatever they were supposed to vote for.

blxckbxg.bsky.social•98 days ago

Shaun you're very intelligent and have good research skills. It's somewhat ridiculous to believe the American people are at all progressive when it comes to non-White people. The reason we don't have universal healthcare is because Americans don't want black people to have the same quality of care.

ladyaranea.bsky.social•97 days ago

The voters are shaped by the information that's available to them, and that information has ALWAYS been controlled by a capitalist class that hates them.

blxckbxg.bsky.social•98 days ago

Biden was a very poor president and Kamala's campaign was mediocre at best but the reason they lost wasn't because they supported Israel. I also, disagree with the idea Trump was a super easy candidate to beat. He has an extremely dedicated and growing group of supporters.

ohterrysogross.bsky.social•97 days ago

He’s the most unpopular president. His support had increased less than 1%.

https://www.stephensemler.com/p/how-the-most-unpopular-us-president

n00dl3m4n.bsky.social•98 days ago

By the time the election came up, it was too late for tactics. If Americans didn't want Trump, they should have pulled their fingers out years ago. Dems know what leftists want, they're just not catering to them. This shouldn't shock anyone.

n00dl3m4n.bsky.social•98 days ago

For me, the writings on the wall; most Americans are okay with Trump. Maybe they didn't vote explicitly for the bad things he'll do. But there is a tacit agreement that those things may happen and they are willing to allow that, at the very least.

cocainebossgarry.bsky.social•98 days ago

it feels insane that "the democrats have a moral duty to actually appeal to voters in order to keep trump out instead of just demanding they vote for them out of principle" is a crazy far left opinion

soozuk.bsky.social•98 days ago

I keep seeing the take "I agree with you on their Gaza stance being bad...but how many votes would they have lost if they'd taken a pro-Palestine approach?" What, you mean they could have done the right thing and lost instead of doing the wrong thing and lost? Ah fuck yeah that would've been bad.

cowgirlshebop.bsky.social•98 days ago

The funny part about that is with recent studies that have gone out they would have easily won with an anti-genocide platform. Like this election was an easy lay-up but that AIPAC money too good to turn down when you're an oligarch.

cowgirlshebop.bsky.social•98 days ago

dems lost votes specifically with younger voters, queer people, and people of color especially in arab communities.

samantha42.bsky.social•98 days ago

Like, that would be an awful justification for genocide even if they had won. Trying to justify their positoon on Gaza that way when they still lost is just... how can anyone have that little sense?

venjs.bsky.social•98 days ago

A lot of people didn't vote because they saw Harris as an extension of Biden and barely better than Trump and the Democrats just reinforced that image to voters on genocide and failing to fulfill their social promises, and going in the opposite direction. And they're still doing it!

dashwallkick.bsky.social•98 days ago

they could've just kept calling Republicans weird creeps! but they didn't!

squidpunk.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's so baffling how they floundered onto an actual strategy that was working and then backed off almost immediately.

squidpunk.bsky.social•98 days ago

Not to mention picking a pretty decent progressive candidate in Tim Walz and then immediately gagging everything he said.

This was mishandled to the highest degree.

dashwallkick.bsky.social•98 days ago

literally why pick Tim Walz if you're going to just make him act like Shapiro

utumno4.bsky.social•98 days ago

To make [the people who said they couldn't stomach a Shapiro ticket] learn their lesson.

bukee.bsky.social•98 days ago

Nah, that was a good start bit they needed to give something more

rosssquigham.bsky.social•97 days ago

Man reading this thread is like seeing how delusional Brits must have seemed a hundred years ago when the empire was crumbling

spacemtn.bsky.social•98 days ago

Thank you for saying. Most of them are still not willing to accept that the Dem leadership blew this. So many didn’t want to hurt Biden’s feelings; but with his horrible approval rating the only way to win was to run against him on certain issues, not to hand the nomination to Biden Jr…

ghostlyperson.bsky.social•98 days ago

To me all of the idiots sporting that rethoric are just screaming that votes should be blackmailed out of people using your political opponents in your benefit. Things can't get better, so get in fucking line and vote what we tell you to vote, or it will all be YOUR fault.

dobridjenkins.bsky.social•98 days ago

As frustrated as I am with people for sitting out, I don’t blame them. The democrats dropped the ball in the worst possible way at the worst possible time. What people can and can’t compromise on is really not something I feel like I can fairly adjudicate.

lamentablyawake.bsky.social•98 days ago

It probably isn't a coincidence that Rupar is choosing to remind people to blame voters in the aftermath of the appointment of a secretary of defence who will authorise protesters being shot.

Laying the groundwork to look the other way or even celebrate because "those protesters voted wrong".

relativelyeasy.bsky.social•97 days ago

Well, you did vote wrong. Whatever Hegseth drunkenly orders the military to do to you is your fucking problem.

ohterrysogross.bsky.social•97 days ago

Which 1? There are tens of millions. Which 1 are u mad at? Are u gonna go door to door & scold ppl? Or is it smarter & easier to consider maybe that’s flawed thinking & the party just isn’t representative. That being mad at millions of ppl is more for u to feel self-righteous than it is to learn.

relativelyeasy.bsky.social•97 days ago

You know what's even better than being mad? Sitting back and saying "fuck you" while the guy you helped promises to cleanse Gaza.
https://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lgmcdyydcs2l

lamentablyawake.bsky.social•97 days ago

Liberals: "It's a shame Trump won but at least the genocide will get worse."

relativelyeasy.bsky.social•97 days ago

I really don't give a shit what happens there anymore. Just like leftists didn't give a shit what happens to my family, in America. It wasn't my fucking fault that Hamas got in gliders and massacred concertgoers, and it's not gonna be my fucking fault when Trump cleanses Gaza as he's now proposing.

ohterrysogross.bsky.social•97 days ago

lol. See, this is the problem. You just assumed how I vote. No info needed. Assumed why I voted the why you assumed. No info whatsoever.

ohterrysogross.bsky.social•97 days ago

The problem is ur thinking. The lack of intellectual humility. The assumptions. Running defense for lifelong politicians who ran an Arthur Finkelstein style campaign again altho it failed the first time w Hillary. Failed the 2nd time too! Somehow this has u punching ⬅️ & ⬇️ instead of considering

praxisinplaid.bsky.social•86 days ago

Im sorry was the preceding 15 months of genocide just not happening? The ethnic cleansing was already happening, and not merely did democrats not try to stop it, they actively aided it by sending arms and money to a bloodthirsty regime

relativelyeasy.bsky.social•86 days ago

Your sanctimony will be a great comfort to millions of people in 130 countries worldwide whose food, clean water and HIV meds have been suddenly cut off by the goblin who you actively helped. Go to Ethiopia or Ukraine today and tell everyone you meet how AKSHULLY Democrats are bad.

harbingerofspring.bsky.social•98 days ago

Imo the only convincing argument in this vein is that certain parties might create an environment more amenable to the change that’s actually needed. It’s not helpful to treat it as “the solution.”

leifmillelnuie.bsky.social•98 days ago

That and also we have transcript of their advisors (older Democrats telling KH to stop calling Republicans weird)

leifmillelnuie.bsky.social•98 days ago

Like this was working, She gained popularity and movement when she did it and it all crashed down when she stopped. and they won't try it again.

unitled.bsky.social•98 days ago

Why think about why you lost an election when you can dismiss half the population as simply evil and state that you SHOULD have won because you're morally right

mishaniz.bsky.social•98 days ago

Dems want to me the adults in the room, but that doesn't fucking work when you refuse to punish the children

gwynnravenfire.bsky.social•98 days ago

More people boycotted the election than voted for either candidate. You have to be someone inspiring, something to vote FOR, if you want to mobilize people who think voting changes nothing.

padawanjon.bsky.social•98 days ago

I seriously think voting needs to be compulsory at the threat of jail time served by community service. If you aren't going to participate in our democracy you get to clean up the mess. The majority of eligible voters don't vote.

mahoganyvince.bsky.social•98 days ago

I’ll gladly take doing community service, it means I can actually do some good and also not have to waste my time too

danyq.bsky.social•98 days ago

she could have just promised a higher minimum wage and gotten at least a million more votes

twistatron.bsky.social•98 days ago

There's always the argument that politics when it's working correctly is boring, which is what the democrats (and labour) lean on a lot. The mistake they make is they're selling themselves on how boring they are. "We promise nothing will change, no matter how bad!" isn't exactly a vote winner.

infernatrixsophia.bsky.social•98 days ago

That's because it's a comfortable lie they tell, you can not freeze society in time, that's not a promise they can possibly keep and it only appeals to people for whom the status quo is already benefiting.

twistatron.bsky.social•98 days ago

Well said, completely agree. American politics currently presents a choice between "Hurt the people you hate" or "Do fuck all about anything" so it's honestly no big wonder why dems lose.

glflowers.bsky.social•98 days ago

It's water under the bridge, says man bringing it up every day since the results.

aerinravage.bsky.social•98 days ago

Yes, the November election is done and dusted. But there will be more elections that Democrats might want to win. But first, they have to own up to their failings and change.

morganwick.bsky.social•98 days ago

They could have run on anything other than "not being Trump". Enacting large-scale reform of government to snuff out the demand to have him smash up the ossified establishment, to start.

kazephantom.bsky.social•98 days ago

The options were either genocide over there, or genocide here and over there. And when you asked for a non-genocide option you were called the biggest problem.

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