Put him in a US military uniform, send him overseas to kill innocent people to serve the needs of our corrupt government and you can't stop kissing his ass and calling him a hero.
"So it's the, it's the ballot or the bullet. Today, our people can see that we're faced with a government conspiracy. This government has failed us. The senators who are filibustering concerning your and my rights, that's the government." - Malcolm X
You ask us to be good people, while giving a pass to health care companies who profit off human suffering? Their actions cause deaths and they should be held accountable. Tens of thousands of Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance; about 1/2 the number who die due to homicide.
I never said it was, but asked you to consider that our health care system is also "cold blooded killing" about 110 Americans every single day, as surely as if they shot them in the back...except they allowed them to suffer first.
Daniel Perry was acquitted for murdering Jordan Neely, a homeless, mentally ill, Black man. Neely was a victim of a failed healthcare system. We free Perry's murderer to kill again when the mood strikes him. Luigi will be punished because he chose to kill a 'somebody' instead of a 'nobody'.
You bet. Adam has a defined pension paid by US taxpayers (most of whom don't and never will) and much better health-care coverage than 98% of regular Americans.
He's a folk hero like the depression era gangsters and old West outlaws. Because our government is corrupt and makes laws that suppress the population. You should know the insurance lobbyists that bribe you.
True - and yet….. our healthcare insurance co. & big pharma are cold blooded killers too - responsible for far more death than Luigi. He knew he was sacrificing his own life, trying to bring this issue to light. Our government has done absolutely nothing to fix it. It’s reached despairing levels.
The 1% don’t understand that a child dying from pneumonia because their mother can’t afford a round of antibiotics, is an act of violence committed by the wealthy.
As Bob Marley once sang “a hungry man is an angry man”.
Says the man who voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which will strip coverage from millions of Americans. You have no room to talk about murder. At least Luigi was man enough to do it himself instead of by fiat.
Unfortunately one will replace him.
However, it's causing insurance companies to rethink some policies. BCBS walked back their new policy for anesthesia. I'll take that as a win. A small one, but a win no less.
The thing is Adam people are fed up with the health care systems we have in place and you guys aren’t seeming to get that. UHC has caused thousands of deaths and mass amount of suffering due to their policies in place. You cannot deny that. He shouldn’t have murdered this man but no one will listen
I agree with you. This young man threw his life away and for what? The gop and the insurance lobby will never allow changes to the insurance industry. The chatter will stop eventually and the insurance industry will go on collecting its massive profits.
Agree, and it feels hopeless. Big money owns corrupt politicians and Supreme Court justices and it will only get worse. What chance do we have to fight corporate greed? Those that have been wronged can’t hire lawyers to compete with the legal team these large corps have. So what’s the solution?
Have to do like the French, everyone walks out into the streets, strikes in protest. Businesses close until they compromise… it’ll never happen here unfortunately 😆
It’s not just healthcare. It’s the elite corporations that raise prices on groceries higher than they need to be and other elite that just ran us through the coals.
#ClassWar
If this is true then UHC should be charged with manslaughter for every death occurred from a claim denial. Record profits but can’t approve life saving care. Why is that???? IMO
They should be but at the same time the man was murdered in cold blood! So what you all are saying it’s ok to kill him! How would you feel if if it was someone you love?
A lesson will not be learned if you throw a fine on them. They deserve the same punishment as a regular person on the street. That’s manslaughter and they have been getting away with it for far too long.
I don’t know but they better do something bc murder (I can’t believe I have to say this)is illegal,isn’t the right way,the ppl who think this is the right way where do you work? It could be something you do for a living that ppl get mad abt..if you can kill you ceos what’s next?
They are insulated from liability which is a huge part of the problem and why they get away with it. They don’t say they are denying, they say they just aren’t approving and MD’s can appeal the decision but many MD’s don’t have the time or resources to go through multiple levels of appeal.
I was thinking, law enforcement can seize the assets of individuals accused of committing crimes. Since corporations are considered people in the eyes of the law, can law enforcement seize the corporate assets if the corporation is accused of committing crimes.
The government can become the board of directors and run the industry seized but no dividends would be paid out until the matter is settled in a court of law. The company would not be able to use seized assets to pay for lawyers. Just thinking.
Why can't they? Bc the record profits. Approving claims would cut into that 😣 so many shareholders were looking forward to that third house, it's not their fault the people they let die died.
Yeah, I know he murdered someone in cold blood... I saw the tape. Yeah, I know he is going to rot in jail forever... that's why I didn't want him to get caught.
He is a symptom of the disease that is killing society. A lot of us have been out here trying to create a more just and equitable society. Trying to reduce gun violence.
And there are a lot of people who want a more unjust and inequitable society.
I would never have known just how cold-blooded, unethical, and corrupt United Healthcare Group is had Luigi not murdered this corrupt CEO. Murder is bad. But now, as I figure out which Medicare plan to choose for the very first time, I can very confidently scratch UHC off the list. Silver lining!
Medicare "Advantage" came about because the for-profit middle men ("insurers") saw how successful and efficient Medicare was and lobbied to get a piece of that pie
I was thinking the same thing about MediCare, just signed up this past summer, thankfully have Medical Mutual in Ohio and call center is in Cleveland not far, far away!
*Traditional plan not Advantage (a privatized form of MediCare).
Dr. Oz favors Advantage & has millions invested in healthcare.
Well, he's a murderer, anyway, and *is* likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. Thompson was also a murderer, he just used a balance sheet instead of a pistol, and will spend the rest of eternity rotting in a hole.
I suspect he will do time but if there are medical/psych issues, that could mitigate the charges. I’m really struck by the level of anger in the electorate when it comes to corporate greed. Time for the billionaire class to take notice and review the history of the French Revolution.
Same. I unfollowed already. I have ZERO tolerance for anything right wing, no matter how mild it might be. Adam isn't a RINO... he's a repuke in sheeps clothing.
The only redeeming sort of quality this gentleman has, is bringing forward the issue with UHC and their practices. Ammunition for the rest of us to fight back against AI controlled denial of claims. I want someone at United healthcare held accountable for the deaths their denials have caused.
I’m sure he once had a lot of redeeming qualities. I feel bad the system causes someone who apparently had it all, to turn toward violence to make a point. But insurance companies auto generated letters of denial are maddening. Chronic pain can make one crazy in the brain.
it is bad policy, and dangerous. But if institutions are absolutely unwilling to address the problem, (and they are not), because those whose job it is to fix the problem are corrupt, sooner or later violence becomes the only road to justice.
And that slippery slope turns into getting shot in the face at McDonald's if your order is not what it looks like on television because that's false advertising and we're going to hold you accountable. Stupid right? But where does it end? That's why we have laws and a legal system.
That already happens. Laws and a legal system are meant to avert such deadly disputes, but do your eally think the law works consistently, neutrally, or efficiently? It's become a rhetorical machine for upholding the status quo, most recently with SCOTUS deciding president are presumptively immune.
Sadly, when you have a felon who is President because the courts didn't hold him accountable. That's what's going on. The courts are corrupted. 1% holds all the wealth. Until those two things are dealt with, there is going to be more.
He’s a former legislator so he’s enjoying a fat pension and amazing healthcare for his hard work at the Posting Bullshit Nobody Likes From His Toilet factory
I'm seeing this a lot but based on what exactly? Do you want to legalise murder but only when you think it's okay? If not then it's not a case for jury nullification.
Interestingly the same people who want this level of anarchy are also upset at the anarchy of those on January 6th ...
Then why bother with a trial if that's the route you wish to follow? Anarchists don't tend to look to the justice system for answers for obvious reasons.
The U.S. is so broken that millions of Americans have been paying for medical insurance that will use AI to auto reject life saving treatment, and we have been ignored to the point of not denouncing an act of violence that has finally brought our oppression to light.
Compromise: convict and imprison Mangione for his murder, but ONLY after every single family wrongfully impacted by UnitedHealthcare is fairly compensated, and their model is permanently changed to a pro-consumer one instead of for-profit
Well, yeah, obviously federal universal healthcare would be objectively the best decision to make, but I have less than zero faith in the US being able to pass that in the coming decades so might as well just kneecap this one corporation’s ability to profit off of human suffering, if possible
Playing devil's advocate: Plenty of evil people were fathers. Most in fact. I agree this isn't the best way but the fact he had kids shouldn't be some free pass.
If only Thompson held this philosophy himself, then he wouldn’t have denied coverage for hundreds if not thousands of other fathers of two. Dude probably had a higher indirect murder count than most serial killers
You misread the whole room, huh? We all know it's wrong and he should pay a price. But this man was trying to wake people up. He just went about it the wrong way.
We had to pay because my husband was not taken to the hospital. That said, since I don’t know what would have happened if the didn’t come, worth every penny.
I remember vividly...long ago while living in Az when Meecham was gov of Az and Az did not participate in Medicaid. An elderly woman in a nursing facility, when her funds ran out, was thrown out onto the sidewalk in 100° heat like trash where she died a horrible death alone.
Also, while living in Az with my mom, she had 3 strokes in her early 50's. 2nd was pre existing so not covered. No Medicaid, too young for Medicare. Called state for help. They had a $200 mo cut off and me helping her was $. Was told to throw her out and reapply in 3 months.
I'm so sorry to hear that! The previous 8 years of my mom's cancer treatment was a hard lesson in the insanity of the insurance system, even where my dad had "good" insurance.
agree he is a murderer. But it still begs the question: What is it called when an insurance company knowingly denies care that they know, or have been advised by a doctor, is a life saving or life lengthening treatment? Capitalism?
Maybe we should save our thoughts for the countless victims of withheld medical treatment, rather than for a man directly responsible for said countless and avoidable deaths, and deaths at that caused solely to boost already obscene profits..
I know you are making sick rape jokes but he probably will be popular in prison. The crime he committed will likely be celebrated and he seems personable and nice to be around.
Cool, maybe you should have done something about the CEOs profiting off of killing millions. Just because it’s legal and cleaner doesn’t make it “not murder.”
Why do I get the feeling the upcoming court appearances will be filled with histrionics by the defendant that should embarrass those of you cheering him on…?
Neither of those is true and I have experienced the frustration with insurance companies over chronic issues and pre-existing conditions in the past. I went through an insane workman’s comp odyssey, but threatened zero people. Who do you intend to murder that ‘deserves’ it..?
True. Denying coverage, claims, forcing doctors to do prior authorization. All of that is criminal, but you don’t care. Keep that lobbying money coming in.
Denying coverage to people you know need coverage and can’t otherwise afford it is also murder. So, vigilante violence is wrong, but I feel more sadness for the lives lost to United Healthcare than I do for the CEO who profited from them. Call me old fashioned.
ho hum. I don't care anymore. We tried to work within the system, but the system works FOR the billionairs and against working people. so. I. DON'T. CARE
The algorithm was designed and trained by someone. Designing a set of rules and exclusions and then telling us it is the AI fault is just gaslighting the public.
Absolutely gaslighting. (blame the other). As a former systems analyst, if I instituted such an algorithm I would surely demand the approval of someone higher up, because I would not want to be held responsible for injuring so many people.
It seems facetious, but actually believing that political decisions can be offloaded to "objective" computer algorithms doesn't seem that unusual in varying centrist/neoliberal circles?
Sadly it isn't. The panting is called freedom of speech and is a meme when you have a hot take. At the end I the day the former congressman is still a republican.
I'm pretty sure if the algorithm started paying out generously, someone would stop it immediately and demand that it be retrained to delay and deny. Just saying.
To be honest, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and it’s obvious he’s suffering from a complete mental breakdown as a result of the torturous medical claims process put in place by greedy sociopathic CEOs.
OK, but less dangerous than not doing so, at this historical juncture. CEOs will extinct us if we *don't* normalize specifically anti-CEO vigilantism. All other checks on CEO excess have been proven evadable.
Even though the MLR (Medical loss Ratio) is a national law, it may not apply in all states
Why? Because many States are petitioning for a waiver. So UH could make a lot of profit according to states I suppose .
Does anyone remember the Clintons pushing Universal Healthcare in the late 1990s and all the conservatives and FAUX News claiming they want the government to kill Grandma? I guess we now know they wanted corporations to kill Grandma.
Our taxes that pay for Medicare aren't killing Grandma. Medicare kept my mother-in-law alive for 34 of her 99 years. If she were on private insurance she would have been dead at least 25 years before that.
Follow the thread up and see that we aren't talking about this actually happening.
We were comparing the fever dream in Republican minds about 'death panels' under a taxpayer funded health care system and the actual death panels in health insurance board rooms.
Civilized humans have killed people for thousands of years, unfortunately. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable” JFK
Blather.
Who has even tried peaceful revolution? Where are the peaceful demonstrations? Class action suits? Americans elected the guy who wants to hand all power to corporations.
Murdering the man was lazy and cowardly.
If this one is acquitted for killing a poor hungry homeless person then Luigi should as well for killing a billionaire CEO . What’s good for the goose and all.
Yet the right wing media were celebrating and rejoicing the acquittal of the man who strangled a poor hungry man to death with his bare hands. All the while ranting for Luigi to rot in prison .The hypocrisy is what’s also wrong.
That Marine is disgusting. He makes me sick. I predict we will hear his name in the headlines again some day soon. The NY Post headline "He protected people." Bullshit.
That’s what I mean, the media spins it any way they want, not true he’s a killer, the homeless man should have been taking to a hospital then a shelter not be killed , he’s indigent so no one cared like they do the Billionaire CEO. 😡
You make a good point. The media is blindly for law and order when the victim is one of their own but it its some down trodden non one they won’t stand up for him at all.
Unknown because they keep the data hidden. No one really knows how many people insurance companies have murdered, but the numbers, when revealed, will horrify decent people.
No. I would have preferred Thompson to be investigated, potentially face charges for insider trading, etc. Now, he's forever a victim, and his family will keep the spoils of his actions/theft. The people deserved actual justice.
You are right. Unfortunately, his actions, which were tantamount to murder, given that they resulted in many deaths, would only ever be seen as "good business." Companies and their CEOs don't have to honor their contracts... but we the people must or we lose.
Health insurance CEOs kill tens of thousands of people a year with delays and denials. Did you ever propose a bill to punish them for their mass murders? Please tell us what you think we can do to prevent these mass murders. PLEASE TELL US.
Cold blooded killers kill at random….,,not on principle.
Did he break the law?
Yes and he will pay for it but one thing is for sure….those CEO’s are finally taking notice.
People are so done with them and their bottom line!
I'm pretty sure the healthcare CEO who made his money by letting people die is more of a cold blooded killer and he suffered the inevitable consequences of his actions.
What about the role of shareholders of UHC? CEOs work to increase returns to the shareholders. I bet many condemning this CEO are unaware that they actually hold UHC in their mutual funds and have reaped the benefits of it. Pot calling the kettle.
Thank you for proving my greater point that ultimately the system is to blame and it needs to be dismantled in order to create a better world.
Did you expect that to be a dunk or something?
🤬 Blame politicians for continuing to think healthcare delivery is appropriate for free markets (capitalism). It isn't! We must have govt healthcare. If CEOs allow unprofitable decisions - even for compassionate reasons! - they'll be sued by shareholders...and lose!
Who do you think is corrupting the politicians?
It's the capitalists, getting mad at politicians is just being distracted by the middleman. To weed out a problem, you need to kill it at the roots
I agree the American political system is corrupted by money, but that is not an inherent characteristic of capitalism. Socialist and communist systems are far more corrupted by money. Keep demanding campaign finance reform and vote out "cronies." Democracy is hard.
I've seldom seen someone display so much ignorance in so few words.
How is it that you can possibly believe that corruption isn't an inherit characteristic of capitalism when one of its primary motives is short term profits and self enrichment?
I think it's fair to hold evil rich politicians and evil rich ceos, who are all drawn from the exact same pool of worthless parasites, equally accountable for the horrors they gleefully enact upon all of us. Adam, however, does not. Because he's a bootlicker.
Well, hey... He wasn't alone, and he was a Republican back then when maga was just getting started, much as Liz Cheney was. Don't expect him to endorse democratic socialism (our military, schools, police departments, and much more) just because he sees trump for who he really is.
Yes, Congress, regardless of who you single out! The ACA is just a bandaid, and it's not unreasonable to blame it for delaying govt healthcare for all. Sadly, Congress only acts when a crisis hits. Murdering health CEOs distracts from the problem.
So, the ACA has prevented Republicans and Democrats from adopting nationalized health care?
You don't think it the Republicans and Democrats themselves, whether influenced by the insurance and health care industries or not, who have not adopted nationalized health care?
I wrote, "a reasonable argument could be made" that the ACA delayed the crisis that will eventually come, and which impels Congress to enact "Medicaid for all." That means I'm speculating.
I can’t like your comments enough but it’s easy for me because we have UHC in Canada. Capitalism is about profits at all cost-why is anyone surprised that it effects healthcare the same way?
Seems to me it’s kind of uniting the right and the left.
No one who has power wants any of us to unite against tyranny (which this is) and when they see both sides agreeing with each other, it freaks them the F out.
Occupy Wall Street all over again. That’s how we got identity politics in the first place. We are the bull, and the political caricatures of the constituencies are the red cape wielded by the matador.
Nobody is forced to be a CEO of a for-profit healthcare corporation. The obsession with profit and shareholder value above all other considerations is a national sickness, and saying 'blame this or that court or legislature!' is also a sickness.
America chooses capitalism. Welcome to the drive for profits and shareholder return. As I've said, capital markets should not deliver healthcare. Deep read why:
Arrow, K. J. (1978). Uncertainty and the welfare economics of medical care. In Uncertainty in economics (pp. 345-375). Academic Press.
When exactly did we choose capitalism? It is my understanding that it was forced on the people by the ruling class, but feel free to provide evidence otherwise
My guy… look at how much money uhg and other insurance companies spend on lobbying. Fair to say that congress works for them, not us. Business is the problem. Citizens United is the problem.
Yes, "business is the problem" because free (capital) markets cannot handle healthcare. See this: Arrow, K. J. (1978). Uncertainty and the welfare economics of medical care. In Uncertainty in economics (pp. 345-375). Academic Press. (free pdf w/ title search.)
Good comment. I was once an insurance executive who made decisions that some people thought were very bad ones. "Doing the right thing" is wildly subjective. Most importantly, personal "horror stories" are one-sided, not always to be believed at face value.
Threats, especially from someone who doesn't have the slightest idea how good businesses are run, don't make me nervous. I feel sorry for the issuer of the threat because their life must have holes in it that need to be filled, holes that have caused them to be intemperate.
The nature of "Medicare for all" (universal healthcare) is a legitimate and hard debate, but everyone should demand that Congress begins the debate. Capitalism can't handle healthcare! It's not "socialism" to admit that.
2/The time for Congress to take the matter up was when Dems had the House gavel.
But Lefties who insisted that M4A was their “litmus test” for 2020 candidates, dropped it like a hot rock as soon as they were in power and immediately commenced whining about debt forgiveness.
I support those principles, but everyone must get a bill from the "American Health Plan." It includes the AHP premium + individual medical expenses, less deductions(TBD, but the poor pay little and "staying healthy" gets deducted). The "private ins deduction" changes every year.
I still remember (although many seem to have forgotten already) the only reason ACA is still around is because John McCain. A Republican. I can’t even imagine how he’d be treated now by his own party.
Money from liberals and conservatives has corrupted our political system. Fixing that is priority #1 or the American experiment in representative democracy won't survive.
Being told about all the c***s I deserved to have shoved down my throat makes me realize how unstable so many are if a comment saying murder is murder is so triggering. His rant went on about his hatred of me and what I deserved. First time reporting a comment
It might be the conspiracy theorist in me but I chalk those unhinged responses are probably coming from sock puppet accounts from the likes of the Internet Research Agency, attempting to frame reasonable opinions as offensive.
What made Bluesky refreshing was the lack of acrimony and threats. Clearly that is not the case anymore. If we can’t talk civilly without threats or nasty comments then we are doomed
Not hard to say Luigi murdered a white collar criminal responsible for being more concerned w/lining investors’ pockets than providing due services to people that needed it and would’ve gotten it from a different company.
It may be morally wrong but it’s not against the law. He got paid to do this job. But nothing justifies murder. there are better ways to go about protesting than robbing a family of their son, brother, husband and father. I hate the insurance algorithm and always appeal. But murder is too far
Exactly. Let's see that sympathy for the thousands of sons, daughters etc that watched their loved ones dying unnecessarily thanks to unscrupulous "healthcare" systems
That’s the whole point here. A murderer murdered a far greater murderer. 64,000 Americans die every year because of lack of healthcare/insurance. The insurance industry is a predatory rapacious and murderous system.
Yes, but in a country riddled with school shootings, I guess we’d just rather the people that lose their shit and go shoot up something, do it to an immoral man rather than innocent children… or people because of their race, religion, etc
These insurance companies rob families (legally) of their wives, husbands, children every single day. So they get a pass, until someone stands up and says “no”
So you were okay with slavery then? It was once legal, so are you saying it would be okay for us to go back and start enslaving people again? Why not? It used to be legal?
No. Because we learned and made it illegal by acts of law. Insurance reform needs to be done the same way. But once you start justifying murder in any form then you become part of the problem. Hate insurance. Vote out the people that enable the system
replace "services" with "healthcare to prevent needless suffering, disability, and death" and the sentence captures the situation a bit more accurately, IMHO.
I’m sorry some people don’t know how to use their words without being offensive and vitriolic.
That said, the issue is really quite simple… you’re just focused on the wrong term.
Murder won’t actually be murder until outrage is outrage.
Murder is appalling but so is the ridiculous amount of extra resources and money spent to find Luigi solely because he killed the elite class. If one of my children was murdered in Manhattan would there murder be investigated the same way?
This was a targeted hit, mob style. That doesn’t happen often today. Hunting down a person in daylight to whack them on the street for a particular reason would not happen to your daughter. It’s unacceptable and he should have gotten pursued till caught. Are you suggesting differently?
The same day as the Brian Thompson shooting a group of migrant teens were attacked and one was stabbed to death - in broad daylight - after the attackers asked them if they spoke English. None of the attackers has been caught. Where's the manhunt for them?
And who paid for those ghouls to be there on behalf of a millionaire? Both feel‘justified’ in their crimes. While greed is a sin, in the USA it’s not a crime as disgusting as that is. Killing 1 dude is not going to save lives. Might make many feel good but it’s not going to change anything.
the ghoulish racists were doing it based on a false reality. They believe that Hillary Clinton raped children. anyone can see what the privatized healthcare industry is doing to people and it's a reality. Not conjecture based on conspiracy theories
HRC was involved in the coverup of brutal sexual abuse of children and other vulnerable people by Clinton foundation employees and other relief workers in Haiti following the 2010 earthquake. She should not get a pass just because dumbasses would rather believe pizza gate.
you're creating false equivalencies based on a personal sense of morality that fails to take into account the completely legalized but immoral and downright evil behaviors the wealthy can get away with.
Fuck this stupid nonsense. Violence directed at demonstrably evil people is good, violence from fascists and racists is bad, this isn't fucking hard. "But they think their violence is good, too," I don't fucking care, it isn't. This isn't hard, you're just fucking spineless.
it's already saving lives and saving people money because these fuckers are scared, BCBS immediately reversed a decision to not pay for people's anesthesia the day after.
I honestly think this is part of Adams joke. You know what that paining is right? In the painting if you view the working class citizen as Luigi you got some brilliant dark humor there.
I hope your insurer raises your rates every year, denies every claim you ever make, refuses prior authorization for the surgeries you need to stay alive and outsources their customer service line to Pakistan.
Americans can only struggle and protest so much until violence becomes inevitable. This is human nature and its unfortunate. It is also how our country was founded, and its up to our leaders to listen and act before murder is the only way for the American people to be heard 🇺🇸
From the guy who routinely voted in favor of the insurance companies and against the peoples' interest, you can kindly sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Yes he killed. He seems to have a good reason to snap. Should he go to jail? I'll let the legal system decided.
If anything it's a wake up call that the US needs universal healthcare.
I know that I should think of it as a bad thing, but I I keep asking myself if it's bad to kill a monster that has killed countless people for profit. I wish I knew the answer.
Automatically discrediting someone's life experience simply because they have money or their parents do is just as toxic as discrediting people for needing government assistance.
Those are the words of privilege, of a person who doesn’t have to worry about going bankrupt because he or a family member got sick. The only cold blooded murderer in this situation was the CEO.
I mean, republicans or at least Trump supporters like Luigi's message, just not Adam. Adam is a law and order guy, that's why he hates Trump. And that's how he came to be an ally. And he is!
Hate to say it but Trump supporters have for the most part been supportive of the 'fuck insurance' movement dispute the best efforts of the corporate media to shame us into submission.
I think alot of ill informed trump supporters just want the end of corporate control of gov.
I am the COO business chalked full of ill informed and manipulated blue collar Trump supporters who can't are more articulate the concept of tariffs but know when they are sick of big business.
They are good people who got hoodwinked by the gump cult
Meanwhile, the cold-blooded murderers on steroids are United Health Care and all the other insurance companies that are murdering their customers by refusing life-saving treatment while enriching their golden parachutes.
Disagree. Any different than a woman who kills her husband to avoid more domestic abuse? Is financial abuse much different than physical abuse? Not to the victims. America just reelected a guy based on that very concept.
Disagree. He wasn't Manson or Bundy or a hit man. They were cold blooded. The cartels are cold blooded. Prison sure, but not for life. Sacrificial lamb.
Not true at all. The Nazis never created any kind of legal framework for mass murder. (This was in fact Wilhelm Stuckart's objection to plans for the Final Solution at the Wannsee Conference). It was entirely extra-legal.
No one arrested them until after the war. It was legal. There were no laws against it that were enforced. Legal is what those in power deem it is. Laws do not need to be passed. Just watch what Trump and his henchmen do.
Do you plan to argue legal vs extra legal? Frankly, I don't care. Fine, make it extra legal, but most people don't understand that. So I use the word " legal". That ok with you?🤨🙄
This moment of privilege from AK gives me an idea -
After TFG's re-election to office, we all now have a way out of jury duty:
All you have to tell the judge is that after the Senate failed twice to convict him and with his re-election, you have vowed to acquit anyone accused of criminal activity.
Congress voted the second time to impeach and not let him ever run for office again. Adam voted yes on the second impeachment. Mitch McConnell screwed up in the Senate.
we may come to realize that a principled person may cold-bloodedly kill and that it is not wrong
that to damage your own soul, to stop a killer, who takes life greedily and without pain, is not something you should only do in a moment of passion, but to help make a world where children can live
In fairness, Brown was on the side that would go on to win the civil war. Ligia is on the side that would lose the next civil war, and that's why Democrat's are trying to disavow the guy and calm things down. They see the dark road this could put us on.
he was executed by the state before the war. everyone wanted him NOT to do it, because they feared a war. that's why it was a terrorist raid funded and planned in secret by abolitionists. radicals who wanted to incite a war moderates didn't want, because of their wealth and security
harriet tubman and frederick douglass refused to get involved and called it suicide. hardcore abolitionists. but he had his support too (look up mary ellen pleasant), and he did it anyway in the face of people who said it would bring ruin
and it did! ruin happened. but ruin was already here
I mean Democrats. The last time Republicans and Democrats had a civil war, the Democrats lost, but they at least had some metrics working for them. This time, they have nothing. Civil war would be terrible no matter what. But the outcome isn't in doubt. That's why big name Democrats are chilling.
I don’t think your analogy is apt. Democrats didn’t lose the civil war; the South did. However many people may consider themselves to be on “the right” they are outnumbered by the left as they were in the 1860s- and far less educated than their confederate predecessors were relative to northerners
Rather than just criticizing Adam for his past #ACA votes (which feels a lot like X/Twitter style), I think it makes more sense to ask him: 1) if you were still in Congress, would you still vote to repeal it 2) what alternative would you propose replacing it with? GOP never proposed an alternative
Nah, if he's going to talk about current day events without mentioning his shitty past, we are right to call him on his bullshit without having to sugarcoat things.
You don't need to specify his party. Both parties are fully in bed with health insurance companies and are dedicated to making sure single-payer can never happen
I agree that not ALL Dems do it, but it is enough of them that even when we have a large Dem majority in both chambers and the Whitehouse, a universal Healthcare bill would be DOA. 😞
That’s not because they trade stock, that’s because they accept bribes. Health care companies spend a fortune on lobbyist, who are constantly wining and dining these people. We need to pass transparency laws and limit donations. Big money is killing the little guy. Again.
Exactly nothing Is what he did. Mr kinzinger is all for screwing average Americans to make sure the billionaires get money Adam is the problem with this country not the answer
I’m not a fan of bringing a rifle to a protest and then claiming self defense when you kill two people, but if I’m making max effort to challenge my own priors, at least he didn’t plan it in detail for months and shoot a guy in the back.
I’m sorry, but I reject this false equivalence with prejudice. This may come as a shock to you, but people die from diseases, and doctors (and their insurers) can’t save them all. If overt negligence kills someone, take them to court. Just working the job isn’t murder and doesn’t justify the same.
Luigi is a symptom, not the cause. You refused to address the cause, along with every other GOP elected over the past 40 years, during your time in office.
You can be anti-Trump and anti-Middle Class. They are mutually exclusive.
The health insurance 'industry' is a grift enabled by the government.
I'm 60 - I've been out of work since 2020. My health insurance, minimal coverage, is $490 a month+ $6000 deductible. I just ran out of my retirement funds and got my SNAP card last week. I don't have much sympathy for that CEO.
If you read about his story in the WSJ this morning, it’s actually pretty sad. The guy clearly had a break with reality. His actions in the last year aren’t of those with a sound mind. It was a vicious and immoral act, of course, but it doesn’t make his story less depressing.
This is important. As someone who has been in extreme pain, I know that this is still not the natural outcome of that. Never mind that he was able to afford probably any treatment he wanted. This is a fucked up person and not a hero.
You sound like it makes no diff whether a politician party affiliation is they are all in for themselves like a "for profit" and will turn the other cheek if that s what it takes. Guess what I totally agree with you.
Notice how all the Democrats got quiet and scared after the election?
They only care about their careers.
They know if they tell as loud as they did BEFORE the election, Trump will own them so it's easier to just bow down to him.
Used to think you had some courage, but you’ll suck anyone’s dick if they have enough money. Just like the rest of them. Respectfully, go fuck yourself adam.
Lmao they always reveal their true selves at some point. I mean you don’t become a Republican Congressman in this day in age without having a track record of supporting some truly heinous policies
"On the 2021 phone call, which was recorded by the company, a nurse told her colleague that a doctor contracted by United to review the case had concluded that McNaughton’s treatment was 'not medically necessary.' Her colleague reacted to the news with a long laugh."
"United Healthcare… has the highest claim-denial rate of any private insurance company: 32%, double the industry average.… [T]he insurer's parent company, UnitedHealth Group, saw total revenues of just under $100 billion in the first quarter of 2024."
People seem to forget this guy is no class ally. Just because he did the bare minimum and stood against trump at the end of his term, doesn't make him for the people.
i’ve read this a few times. if it weren’t for his parents calling their bluff and hiring an attorney (something so many can’t do), this young adult would likely have died from so many complications due to his disease.
w trumps regime coming they’ll be no DOJ investigations/lawsuits. i bet the current one into uhc will be dropped. all corps will be completely unrestrained. 😔 maybe class action lawsuits but those take years. w the system so broken & no one for the people this is why people are feeling this way.
Victoria Kavanaugh is a god damn sociopath. Holy shit, could you imagine being this evil for like $200k a year. Theres a special place in hell for united hellthcare employees collecting blood money.
This was an absolutely horrifying story. I’m sure there are many more similar to this that haven’t been brought to light and where the victims didn’t fight back and their outcomes were quite grim. The Kavanaughs and insurance company doctors of our country must be replaced by people with ethics. 🥺
Adam Kinzinger always voted to take decent, fair, affordable healthcare away from us. But, somehow, Adam has great healthcare that will never break him.
Absolutely. What you & everyone else is failing to see & talk about is that when the laws & protections of our society break down like they have been doing, Vigilante justice grows. People have lost faith in our legal system. They have lost faith in leadership as well. There will be more of this.
So no presumption of innocence exists in the US any more? He may be proved to be a cold-blooded killer by a jury, but the insurance companies kill people daily with impunity.
A reminder that the guy that dobbed Luigi in to the cops has had his claim for the much-vaunted $$$$$ reward *denied* by the health insurance company because he called the cops….
The health insurance company offered no reward. The NYPD ($10K) and the FBI ($50k) did, but they're claiming loopholes and it seems unlikely the McDonald's guy will ever see a dime.
I thought we believed in self defense and the defense of others here. Luigi saw someone doing multiple murders a day and stepped in to protect his victims.
He is a hero. He risked his freedom, probably traded his life and took out a crooked person who betrayed his fellow man for money. Those of his ilk are running scared now.
He is a hero. People like you who never fixed anything are part of the problem.
Your right, but neither do the CEO's. So as I will not cry for this guy (even though I can understand why), I also will not give a crap about the CEO's who murder innocent people for money. Unfortunately, our system awards those murderers. You can only push a society so far until it fights back
I don't give a crap about him either. I'm just uncomfortable with guys killing whoever they have a problem with. Same with the perry case in NYC. He murdered Jordan Neely. As many stood and watched.
And it's usually guys. Women can't even kill their abusers and get away with it.
I agree with you. This is less about a guy having a beef with a particular guy and really more about a failed system that drives someone to rebel against that system. Unfortunately we have seen our legal system fail over and over in 8 years allowing a felon to become President. Rebellion happens!
When those who are cornered with no sight of fairness or recourse in the future. We are not so special in this country that the masses, if pushed far enough, will not rebel against the oligarchy. A tame animal can only be cornered and beaten so many times until it bites and fights back.
Over the last few days (Keep in mind I'm a socialist. About as far left as you can go) I've found agreement from democrats, republicans, Maga folks, libertarians... Literally everyone.
The ONLY people pushing back, are people with stocks in health companies, people who took campaign money from
Republican reps and mouthpieces work daily to exacerbate said class divide, and unless you want to argue that right-leaning folks largely don’t know, they’re complicit.
I think the majority of them are just victims of lifelong propaganda. Some are just willfully complicit, sure, but most of them are just scared idiots suffering under a system that was built to keep them subservient. 🤷♂️ It's the mouthpieces that work to keep them riled up and hateful because it works
no, one side undermines the existing inadequate system to make it even worse, and lies about it, while the other seeks to preserve the existing inadequate system. Both are in the insurance companies' pockets up to their necks.
I probably disagree with you about a lot of shit, but if we can agree on dismantling the insurance industry we can topple this fuckin pig!
Look how scared they are!
This right here - we’ve been duped into fighting each other on social issues instead of the class war we need to be fighting together against the billionaires who hoard all the wealth and leave us fighting over the scraps.
They have us too busy caring about non issues like trans people and shit so that they can keep sucking billions of dollars from people from people who need health care so they don't die. We really should all be on the same fucking side when it comes to health care and not getting fucked by corps
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Be good people.
Cold blooded killing is not the answer.
Fight for a better approach.
Bootlicker.
Just curious how far your moral outrage over ‘cold blooded murder’ extends…
This privileged white man is no different from a human trafficker: they both profit from human suffering.
Trump will accelerate this.
We have 300 million guns in America, we have 150 million seriously pissed off people.
Class Warfare is not coming, it is already here.
This episode was merely a flirtatious prologue.
It’s unrealistic to expect it to remain non-violent on only one side forever.
As Bob Marley once sang “a hungry man is an angry man”.
However, it's causing insurance companies to rethink some policies. BCBS walked back their new policy for anesthesia. I'll take that as a win. A small one, but a win no less.
#ClassWar
In fact it's rarely true.
This guy hates trump , yay , he is against murder yay.
But he supports supplying 2000lb unguided bombs dropped on kids and of course the brutal systematic torture.
Just don't mess with his shares 😶
Yeah, I know he murdered someone in cold blood... I saw the tape. Yeah, I know he is going to rot in jail forever... that's why I didn't want him to get caught.
And there are a lot of people who want a more unjust and inequitable society.
Guess what? We all live (and die) in the society and the world we create for ourselves.
Avoid Medicare Advantage if at all possible.
https://youtu.be/cQR67WRcVUg?si=4kks6eSiyVXP0sp6
Not sure how long it’s gonna be up for lol
http://resistthreads.com
*Traditional plan not Advantage (a privatized form of MediCare).
Dr. Oz favors Advantage & has millions invested in healthcare.
I'm not too torn up about either.
But these are Trumpian times, anarchic conduct can be celebrated, and convictions can be difficult to obtain
Will a NY jury convict? I hope so, but don’t ask me to put a $1000 bet on it, given the reactions I’ve read
Hatred of insurers is rampant
What makes the green grass grow, Adam? 🩸🩸🩸
Unfortunately, it is not true.
Nor is justice served equally.
You seriously think that? Listen Adam trump is calling you home.
I only ask, as one is currently headed to the white house.
Mangioni can be a douchebag and still serve as a useful symbol.
Get busy winning, or get busy getting out of our way.
The answer by the way should be NONE of them.
I can empathise with Luigi and the situation he found himself in. Does that mean he should be found not guilty of murder? Of course it doesn't FFS!
Interestingly the same people who want this level of anarchy are also upset at the anarchy of those on January 6th ...
I want to burn the system down and build back better.
There is no other recourse for justice from the oligarchs except violence.
The American and French Revolutions prove that.
But there will be. So I hope the jury finds him not guilty and sends a message to those in power that we're fucking tired and their days are numbered.
As long as you don’t take the ride to the hospital, you are not charged. 👍
My Dad received a bill for 1k - not transported.
asked where to get treatments, and was directed to the free clinic, asked how much it would cost.
"it's the FREE clinic"
a humane health system is just incomprehensible for most americans.
Someone else was in Spain and got an infection.
Went to the pharmacy, got an antibiotic for literally 7 Euros.
Infection gone in 2 days.
State level crime, I believe.
Jesus wept.
I *hope* it's satire.
I agree with your central point, but...
But, you get over it and used to it. (At least that's what those assholes have been telling us)
#FreeLuigi
Why do liberals like this guy?
Oh, do you mean the other guy? He just killed *one* person.
And there were things in the original that might have changed that, but the Rep. Would not approve it with those conditions in place.
Why? Because many States are petitioning for a waiver. So UH could make a lot of profit according to states I suppose .
Should we profit from killing grandma, or pay taxes to do it.
We were comparing the fever dream in Republican minds about 'death panels' under a taxpayer funded health care system and the actual death panels in health insurance board rooms.
Who has even tried peaceful revolution? Where are the peaceful demonstrations? Class action suits? Americans elected the guy who wants to hand all power to corporations.
Murdering the man was lazy and cowardly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Milken
Do you see the courts or Congress doing anything about these wide-spread, murderous abuses? No.
I'm sorry it came to violence, but it was predictable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder
Did he break the law?
Yes and he will pay for it but one thing is for sure….those CEO’s are finally taking notice.
People are so done with them and their bottom line!
Adam can fuck off!!
Did you expect that to be a dunk or something?
Direct anger at Congress!
It's the capitalists, getting mad at politicians is just being distracted by the middleman. To weed out a problem, you need to kill it at the roots
How is it that you can possibly believe that corruption isn't an inherit characteristic of capitalism when one of its primary motives is short term profits and self enrichment?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11KgBpgBqyVv_EwnTS1FAgOUzSg8svjlDKqKLRSiRVpU/edit?usp=drivesdk
https://bsky.app/profile/brainnotonyet.bsky.social/post/3ld22de7dl224
You don't think it the Republicans and Democrats themselves, whether influenced by the insurance and health care industries or not, who have not adopted nationalized health care?
Heads they win.
Tails we lose.
#MedicareForAllNow!
No one who has power wants any of us to unite against tyranny (which this is) and when they see both sides agreeing with each other, it freaks them the F out.
Let them freak out.
The rest of us know that work needs to be done to fix this, and that work comes from Congress.
Arrow, K. J. (1978). Uncertainty and the welfare economics of medical care. In Uncertainty in economics (pp. 345-375). Academic Press.
I agree Citizens United is a problem.
Arrow, K. J. (1978). Uncertainty and the welfare economics of medical care. In Uncertainty in economics (pp. 345-375). Academic Press.
I sure hope the FBI doesn't see this when they do random word searches, for your sake.
That’ll fix everything. 🙄
But Lefties who insisted that M4A was their “litmus test” for 2020 candidates, dropped it like a hot rock as soon as they were in power and immediately commenced whining about debt forgiveness.
Now M4A is DOA.
Abolishing private insurance is not.
They keep each other honest.
If the government gets too stingy, you can escape to a private insurer.
If your insurer gets too greedy, you can always decamp to the government plan.
Medicare & M Adv balance each other.
You should look up what this guy had to say about Rittenhouse. The results might change your support of him.
Did you look up what he had to say about Rittenhouse?
#EndSlavery
the corporations bought off the politicians and courts. so where does a citizen seek relief from this continued injustice?
Killing is not always wrong. "Murder" is a conclusion.
Mangione says it was an "act of war" and I'm inclined to agree with him. We are at war and they are killing us every day.
We're just starting to fight back.
That said, the issue is really quite simple… you’re just focused on the wrong term.
Murder won’t actually be murder until outrage is outrage.
No one has been caught yet.
They offer $50k for a hero that eliminated a mass murderer.
=
Zero sense
Do you know what it's like for people who don't have the healthcare that you and I are so lucky to get?
Do you have ANY idea?
If you had ANY idea Adam, you would have killed that mother fucker yourself.
He gets everything he wants or needs thanks to us.
So many "i hate Trump" but they agree with this message.
If anything it's a wake up call that the US needs universal healthcare.
Do not condemn one without getting off your ass and doing something about the other.
We need to know, Adam, how much blood money did you accept from the health insurance industry?
His daddy could pay all his bills out of petty cash and probably has been.
I think alot of ill informed trump supporters just want the end of corporate control of gov.
The irony is painful
They are good people who got hoodwinked by the gump cult
Two things can be true
By law, what United Healthcare was doing is a human killing another human, thanks to the legal precedent of corporate personhood.
That means civilians can step in and defend their victims.
#freeluigi
https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/academics/centers-initiatives/ctec/ctec-publications/lawful-extremism-chinese-exclusion-act
Yikes-on-bikes, my brothers & sisters in reality
https://youtu.be/DaYgUXVhPXM?si=DhG_L3Puul68qJEl
After TFG's re-election to office, we all now have a way out of jury duty:
All you have to tell the judge is that after the Senate failed twice to convict him and with his re-election, you have vowed to acquit anyone accused of criminal activity.
If I were on his jury, I'd vote not to convict
Exactly like the Senate GOP did - twice - with a felonious, raping traitor that shares your political party
The GOP never again gets to lecture anyone about The Rule of Law
Sit down and stfu rich boy
The Senate failed twice to convict him
You two wouldn't happen to be my real parents?
that to damage your own soul, to stop a killer, who takes life greedily and without pain, is not something you should only do in a moment of passion, but to help make a world where children can live
and it did! ruin happened. but ruin was already here
https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
After all, he killed fewer people than Rittenhouse, or United healthcare for that matter.
https://bsky.app/profile/brainnotonyet.bsky.social/post/3ld26sfi4i224
I’m not a fan of bringing a rifle to a protest and then claiming self defense when you kill two people, but if I’m making max effort to challenge my own priors, at least he didn’t plan it in detail for months and shoot a guy in the back.
You can be anti-Trump and anti-Middle Class. They are mutually exclusive.
I'm 60 - I've been out of work since 2020. My health insurance, minimal coverage, is $490 a month+ $6000 deductible. I just ran out of my retirement funds and got my SNAP card last week. I don't have much sympathy for that CEO.
How does that work if he rots forever?
https://www.unodc.org/dohadeclaration/topics/prisoner-rehabilitation.html
Adam and his buddies kiss the ring!!!
They only care about their careers.
They know if they tell as loud as they did BEFORE the election, Trump will own them so it's easier to just bow down to him.
Used to think you had some courage, but you’ll suck anyone’s dick if they have enough money. Just like the rest of them. Respectfully, go fuck yourself adam.
"On the 2021 phone call, which was recorded by the company, a nurse told her colleague that a doctor contracted by United to review the case had concluded that McNaughton’s treatment was 'not medically necessary.' Her colleague reacted to the news with a long laugh."
ftfy
He is a hero. People like you who never fixed anything are part of the problem.
History will vindicate Luigi ✊️
Neither did kyle r.
And it's usually guys. Women can't even kill their abusers and get away with it.
Instead, desperate, people vote
in billionaires that will wreck everything.
We needed a populist leader—but we got Trump, a cult leader for a country with nowhere else to go
Legal weed
NIMBYism
Free Luigi ✊️
The ONLY people pushing back, are people with stocks in health companies, people who took campaign money from
This is not a partisan issue. This is a HUMAN issue.
One side works to improve and at least talks about it, the other side actively works to enable the exploiters….
Look how scared they are!
Soon we will sharpen the guillotine