The consultant-driven, 90s-era, ad-focused campaigns HAVE TO GO if we have any chance of winning in the future. Our side let Republicans take the lane of economic populism. We have to take it back. FASCINATING conversation. 👇👇👇 - ThreadSky

nickknudsenus.bsky.social • 5 days ago

The consultant-driven, 90s-era, ad-focused campaigns HAVE TO GO if we have any chance of winning in the future.

Our side let Republicans take the lane of economic populism.

We have to take it back.

FASCINATING conversation.
👇👇👇

Comments

butterfly260.bsky.social•5 days ago

https://theplotagainstamerica.com/

stef47.bsky.social•5 days ago

Don’t confuse movements and parties. Normally, movements feed parties. And viceversa. Last century, all the great democratic movements fed the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, the Republican Party became an anti-democratic movement dedicated to no truth, no people, just power. Ike warned US.

5thkid.bsky.social•5 days ago

2. … to strong D candidates, who volunteers & always votes for them. And I’m tired of being taken for granted while the party worries about everyone else. I must SEE Dems fighting like hell for me!

5thkid.bsky.social•5 days ago

1. RE what the Dem Party stands for. I’m a lifelong Dem and I don’t even know. I know what I stand for & why I’M a Dem, but I no longer see what party leadership stands for. 2. RE letting others into our tent. I’m fine w/that AFTER the party makes sure I’M happy. I donate to …

maximumbob4real.bsky.social•5 days ago

the consultants didn't drive this, it was the progressive who dominate the media discourse and the issues on which they chose to focus.

polls show too many Americans believe the D party isn't focused on them, especially true for non college and rural whites.

waycooljen.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

davenash3.bsky.social•4 days ago

Just because he has a day job, doesn’t mean he’s not a consultant.
His advice is no different from all the rest!

carriec.bsky.social•5 days ago

The system is broken and has been heading this direction for decades. Corp consolidation, perverted/exploited capitalism. For profit govt. Yes the GOP is open about it now, but until Dems are willing to address the rot within as well, we will continue to slide into oligarchy and authoritarianism

jmfrank.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yes. The consultant era reared up again with Carville’s advice to Schumer to let Trump go full-speed ahead unchallenged until he crashed.

mbriatack.bsky.social•5 days ago

Unfollowed you for this. If you're reading, Nick, tell me why.

mbriatack.bsky.social•5 days ago

If it doesn't address how corporate media will not cover Dems or how Black, Jewish, and LGBTQ communities had no problem with "messaging," then this is useless.

baachaan.bsky.social•5 days ago

Came here to say this. Thank you.

mbriatack.bsky.social•5 days ago

Seriously, this is a panel of white people discussing why "messaging" is a problem when marginalized communities never seem to have a problem, with "messaging."

brooklynmom.bsky.social•5 days ago

I enjoyed this convo. There is constant criticism that Dems force people to use pronouns, march in gay rights parades, etc. So I guess Dems need to further distance themselves from the activists? Also, why do lower income non-White voters still vote for Dems in higher numbers than white voters?

kslatteryresist.bsky.social•5 days ago

Thank you, this is excellent! We all need to know what went wrong in 2024, why our messaging needs to change. That includes not only activists but our electeds. Let’s get on the same page now

coldwaterpnw.bsky.social•5 days ago

Currently reading this and not sure if this influenced the pod but:

https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/M/bo240582317.html

muttsylvania.bsky.social•5 days ago

It's not that complicated. Once you get past the labels politicians use to divide us in nonsensical culture wars, we all want the same things. I've been in a state of fury since November but when I get out IRL and see working people struggling to make ends meet, as I do, empathy overrides anger.

nickknudsenus.bsky.social•5 days ago

Same.

jennjenn23.bsky.social•5 days ago

Respectfully, faith is not the message or emotion to change anything. Severe unfiltered ANGER 😡 motivates people to collectively act. Take a lesson from the Republicans.
@repjasmine.bsky.social
@warren.senate.gov
@aoc.bsky.social
@sanders.senate.gov
@raskin.house.gov

pushpst28.bsky.social•5 days ago

Ok, and also, hear me out here, CALL OUT THE ILLGALITY of what is happening now and the constitution and people’s rights and the fact that dictatorial moves are being made. Those are fucking facts too. For I hate how people just wanna dive into ignorance and not stand up to tyrants.

richgraham.bsky.social•5 days ago

if democrats cant run a liberal, they deserve to lo9se. See you guys think that your country being destroyed is prooof you have to go farther right, andyoull keep thinking that until its poor enough

richgraham.bsky.social•5 days ago

deserve is the wrong word. The need to lose if they are ever going to be happy

lynnf.bsky.social•5 days ago

🔺 @gailwaldby.bsky.social at about minute 35.00 Montana is talked about.

mack65.bsky.social•5 days ago

Your way is not THE ONLY way. Your campaign does EXACTLY what you say doesn't work. SHUT UP AND GET UP OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY!!!

regmcali.bsky.social•5 days ago

No wonder our Dem Congress members were late in addressing the authoritarian oligarchy taking over the government. They were listening to this guy telling them to talk about the price of eggs. Thank God Bernie, Tim, AOC, Murphy, Warren & others ignored this & are messaging about the oligarchy now!

lindayoung164.bsky.social•5 days ago

We need the ads. Sometimes, it's those ads that people see that make them check out the candidates, or say...gee maybe I should vote. People are glued to TVs, computers, and cellphones. The ads at least remind them there is a real world.

dangerousones.bsky.social•5 days ago

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cpmyers60.bsky.social•5 days ago

A very thought provoking interview

ghostliehearted.bsky.social•5 days ago

Oh. My. F**king gawwwwdddd.... this.is.everything. 👏👏👏👏 well well done

dianamc.bsky.social•4 days ago

Is Billy Ray on here????

dianamc.bsky.social•4 days ago

I wish every Democrat in Congress would sign BillyRay up. Amazing point & a fucking PLAN.
Let’s go!

chelawallace.bsky.social•5 days ago

Dems need to also validate trump-voter feelings of betrayal. It's the most horrible feeling a human can experience. And they HAVE been betrayed.

dianamc.bsky.social•4 days ago

IF they can admit betrayal. Admitting you’ve been wrong is hard for anyone

ralphgot.bsky.social•5 days ago

I just subscribed.

davenash3.bsky.social•5 days ago

How exactly is different messaging going to impact someone who thinks about politics 4 minutes/week? The Dems' problem is credibility and the focus on messaging itself, not the message.
https://bsky.app/profile/davenash3.bsky.social/post/3llmhpaatyc2k

humuhumu.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

conniecabe.bsky.social•5 days ago

I agree to a certain extent but wasn’t Harris endorsed by Kinzinger and Cheney? Didn’t she bring out Republicans in her rallies? The right continues to move right, and to compensate, Dems also continue moving right. Maybe we need to embrace the left?

menenkim.bsky.social•5 days ago

90 million people didn’t vote. They weren’t far left progressives. They were the indifferent Gen Z’ers and Gen Y ‘ers. Their cynicism is anchored in feeling their concerns aren’t being met: job security & housing affordability-the right did a great job depressing their vote w “Dems r as bad as Reps”

conniecabe.bsky.social•5 days ago

Democrats need to identify what the party stands for and promote those policies at every opportunity. Because the truth is that if you don’t label the policies right or left people prefer left leaning policies more than right leaning. Our policies are better. Run on that.

bkwrmgal.bsky.social•5 days ago

and white women.

But the "far left" viewpoint & related socialisms you fear is *exactly* what has cured or at least ameliorated those ills in other countries so selling that is the way through to Gen Y+Z 🤷🏻‍♀️

Many Gen Y knows this and is sad Gen Z has been lied to by MAGA etc.

graves13.bsky.social•5 days ago

Didn't blame the kids. It was white women that stayed home in droves.

menenkim.bsky.social•4 days ago

Or they voted for Trump 😡

happydance1.bsky.social•4 days ago

I'm a Black woman. Lots of ppl stayed home. And hurt the country

graves13.bsky.social•4 days ago

Agreed. 💯

andreadover.bsky.social•1 day ago

I agree with some of that. But “progressives” are not far left. Far left = communism, as in USSR. Progressive through traditional conservative is moderate these days and believe in liberty - lean left through lean right, as opposed to hard right and hard left.

whosjer.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yeah, this seemed like you the voters go protest, yell , make noise
While my MoC play nice with the people destroying my government and country
wtf - I mean come on now

msharrell.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

calbob.bsky.social•5 days ago

I did listen to your podcast with Billy Ray and it was great and I couldn’t agree more with his messages.
I wasn’t familiar with Billy and when I Googled him I of course only saw results for Billy Ray Cyrus. So I edited my search to: screenwriter Billy Ray and got what I was looking for.

chrlnmmyr.bsky.social•4 days ago

And after watching the podcast, I googled “Democrats what went wrong with the election “. I am trying to resolve in my head how Trump with 34 felonies is now our 47th POTUS. What I learned is what Billy Ray alluded to is correct. It is in the message that Democrats were sending.

jestastrophy.bsky.social•5 days ago

Listening now. Thank you guys!!!

murielseabright.bsky.social•5 days ago

@fladems.bsky.social

pandaandgoat.bsky.social•5 days ago

Just subscribed and looking forward to binging all the episodes!

thanksforallyoudo.bsky.social•5 days ago

Doesn't quite nail it. Egg prices actually ARE going down, 47's popularity is high relative to his past popularity, it's not so clear to me Mark Kelly would win over 47, people sort of LIKE the government being torn down (it's way too inefficient & expensive and the average American hasnt felt ...

thanksforallyoudo.bsky.social•5 days ago

... the pain of the cuts yet). Messaging isn't the sole problem when Harris had some actual views on immigration, gender, etc that were way left. Still too much emphasis on "we're good & right, it's just our messaging is bad".

sunnyside76.bsky.social•5 days ago

Actually, no they weren’t “way left”.

piwow1.bsky.social•5 days ago

Unfortunately true. Read comments on FB, the pro Trump/MAGA are brutal in their comments.

alwaysthinkhow.bsky.social•5 days ago

Pro tRump MAGA lie about everything. Their version of the US is nothing like the place I live in.

dogsinger13.bsky.social•4 days ago

Subscribed what we need

music72-prn.bsky.social•5 days ago

Love the message: Faith over fear‼️‼️

craigawilliams.bsky.social•5 days ago

Democratic Political Messaging with screenwriter and director Billy Ray on “The Dangerous Ones” podcast is a fascinating interview. You can listen to the podcast or watch on YouTube. It will answer your questions on how to communicate with Republicans in your life and how to take back democracy.

orangedotard.bsky.social•3 days ago

@mcuban.bsky.social why is there no billboards across the country supporting democracy, with the 23rd amendment, billboards with NO FASCISM. There is ZERO marketing for dems. I am a designer i will design anything you want. I have no $ to buy billboards. We need a campaign across America.

lindaspiritart.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yes! Honest Conversation so needed!

dprzygoda.bsky.social•5 days ago

Just an incredible episode!

lynnf.bsky.social•5 days ago

Another Dem that thinks we can survive till 2026 without Social Security ......

12thdim.bsky.social•5 days ago

Because, he's young.

lynnf.bsky.social•5 days ago

And this message guy has a lot of good points, but he's got $$

lynnf.bsky.social•5 days ago

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-trump-establish-oligarchic-form-government-bernie-sanders/story?id=120058332

melissjpeltier.bsky.social•5 days ago

Thank you for this, @elevenfilms.bsky.social

dangerousones.bsky.social•5 days ago

Thank YOU!! 💙💙💙

music72-prn.bsky.social•5 days ago

Thank you times 1,000 from a blue dot in a red state‼️Found the best new (to me) podcast to increase our hope and faith in our democracy!

corbyntravers.bsky.social•5 days ago

This is excellent.

carp8dm.bsky.social•4 days ago

📌

winomo.bsky.social•5 days ago

He is SPOT ON. Cultural change and "shame culture" online came with a generational shift. If we want to really protect the marginalized and help culture evolve, we first have to WIN politically. Do we just want to feel righteous and finger wag or do we want to position ourselves to protect people?

herdmendacity.bsky.social•5 days ago

I’m fully convinced this “shame” culture is a right wing myth. I mean, we only ever hear about it from them, whining incessantly about it and pretending to be a victim.

winomo.bsky.social•5 days ago

I'm speaking from my own experience online, watching good intentioned people I politically align with bite the heads off of people for using the wrong word or term, and I don't mean obvious racial slurs. It has happened a lot. WE need to give people a chance to evolve and change

herdmendacity.bsky.social•4 days ago

Ok, can you show me a screenshot of one of these scoldings that you personally witnessed, since it’s so pervasive?

winomo.bsky.social•4 days ago

I don't need to show you anything. I've been watching people I personally know do this to other people online for several years. Why don't you listen to the podcast and listen to what a political expert has to say about the subject.

andreadover.bsky.social•1 day ago

Haven’t listened yet. But I do see those further left of progressives acting as what you describe. Sanders, AOC & company seem to be more about uniting and making real change happen. I do wonder if a few who seem far left are actually accelerationists. Look up accelerationism - scary movement.

bocaopa.bsky.social•5 days ago

Great episode and a lot of truths about what's wrong with the Democratic party. I remember the wailing and moaning of the left wing of the party about the attempt to move the party toward the center in the 90's but the result was two terms for Bill Clinton.

kaylingual.bsky.social•5 days ago

And this is why the Democrat party is going to die.

You clowns keep thinking you didn’t contribute to this. Clinton helped give us Trump. He deregulated banks. He bombed random countries. He opposed gays.

The Left wing of the party was right, and you all deserve to fall for never listening.

mobydog.bsky.social•4 days ago

And then we had Obama, who bailed out Wall Street and not the millions of homeowners losing their homes or people losing their jobs. Guess who all those people wound up voting for? Dems keep trying to find a message when they have no policy.

kaylingual.bsky.social•4 days ago

And they silence the ones who do have policy. Constantly kicking the can and telling everyone it isn’t the right time for change.

They spent more effort attacking lefties than Republicans during 2024. Absolute genuine insanity to KEEP doing it.

ndylan.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

quadroopled.bsky.social•5 days ago

this was excellent

dimitrikilasonia.bsky.social•4 days ago

Finally, someone said it. Hopefully, some eyes will open and see the mistakes; people were fed up with all the naming bullshit; who cares? Is it a main bathroom or a master bathroom? It was stupid; it showed the lack of knowledge of society, not listening to it, and looking from above.

adelphon.bsky.social•5 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/adelphon.bsky.social/post/3ll3h32x2c22r

birdiesnowthistle.bsky.social•5 days ago

We need to be grassroots
We need to go door to door
Ask people to listen to their local neighbors… under the banner if creating a community of both left and right
Weed out the hardcore
This, or somehow knock fox, oan & newsmax off the air

andreadover.bsky.social•1 day ago

Door to door “deep canvassing” actually does work. How Minds Change, by David McRaney, has useful insights.

birdiesnowthistle.bsky.social•1 day ago

Thanks for the recommendation. Will look into this book

boltyboy.bsky.social•5 days ago

I'm listening to this guy and he says that Democrats are talking about loving abortion loving trans and opening borders. That's bollocks, that what the Dems let the Republicans say about them. if you look at how Dems govern & campaign it was all about Mary Cheney & running to the middle

boltyboy.bsky.social•5 days ago

He is correct that no one in America understands America or demographics. But Harris DID say that she was going to help people buy homes, and raise the minimum wage. Apparently no one heard

newenglandmean.bsky.social•5 days ago

I think the message is that she may have said it, but we didn’t have enough time & we aren’t getting that message to people all over & we ARE judgy. I am starting to accept that criticism. I found this hard to hear, because I don’t want to compromise the core values of the left. But he’s right.

boltyboy.bsky.social•4 days ago

No question the "open borders, pro trans, defund police" monikers were tagged on all Dems -- even though none of the ones in any position of power called for it.

aplev.bsky.social•4 days ago

I want open borders, I am "pro-trans" (aka I value all humans rights to bodily autonomy and freedom from persecution), and I do want to defund the police (which means finding the things that *actually PREVENT crime*, bc data on police efficacy will show time and again they don't prevent crime).

boltyboy.bsky.social•5 days ago

I don't think any mainstream Dem got close to adopting any of the positions the Republicans and rightwing media said they had adopted. Harris overwhelmingly won with "high information" voters. Trump won low information voters. I have few ideas how to fix that problem

1rmctldy.bsky.social•5 days ago

They also used technology to flip votes. & had a massive suppression campaign. They lied & cheated. He even admits they rigged the election. If the election had not been corrupted she would have had him by millions. There can always b improvement but dems did well. She was hot. ElectionTruthAlliance

jhoward.bsky.social•5 days ago

lol I forgot that “open the app that you know is on my phone” is the hardest problem in computer science

nerdyshoegal.bsky.social•5 days ago

Just subscribed.

anneblackerby.bsky.social•5 days ago

Very interesting

dianamurray231.bsky.social•5 days ago

Your show is great! I joined and love all your guests - get more Dems - get AOC, Jasmine Crockett - ALL THE FIGHTERS! @aoc.bsky.social @repjasmine.bsky.social @kenmartin.bsky.social Head of DNC needs to also come and tell us what their plan is. Where is our version of the Heritage Foundation?

lovnlivnlife.bsky.social•5 days ago

They have Part 2 which is being closely guarded and coming shortly one of them said. These elections this week better make a difference 🙏

officialhopewins.bsky.social•2 days ago

Thank you 🙏

theunshaved.bsky.social•4 days ago

📌

iotvashtar.bsky.social•5 days ago

Can we please have a real and serious commentary of how Elon hacked, rigged, and stole the election for Trump. No one is reporting on the numerous claims being worked on by law firms around this country. We need more investigative reporting on this on behalf of the PEOPLE!

lindaspiritart.bsky.social•5 days ago

Manual recount important!

springtomind.bsky.social•5 days ago

Please!!

coastalfemme.bsky.social•5 days ago

Where can we stay informed? Thank you.

iotvashtar.bsky.social•5 days ago

#thedangerousones in case you missed this

iotvashtar.bsky.social•5 days ago

And this is just Nevada

https://youtu.be/2nmrfBtulEQ?si=i64xFvbLBKd-cFyB

courtneymckimmel.bsky.social•5 days ago

https://youtu.be/Ru8SHK7idxs?si=t4r1aL_QIxMKk8sK
Election Truth Alliance is currently analyzing data from the 2024 election and has found concerning evidence of possible manipulation of the vote tabulators in Nevada, Pennsylvania, and other swing states.

courtneymckimmel.bsky.social•5 days ago

(Not to mention the bomb threats, voter suppression, millions of rejected mail-in ballots, etc.) This needs to be shouted from the rooftops and we need to demand audits!! Our midterms will not be safe if we do not!

barbra00.bsky.social•5 days ago

I totally agree the election results were illegitimate.

All swing states for one person and none triggered an automatic audit?
Results were managed.

Trump said he didn't need any more votes.
Why? He knew Musk could add them.
Later he said it was wonderful how well Elon knew the systems.

Audits!!

barbra00.bsky.social•5 days ago

Even without audits, this should totally invalidate the republican ticket.
Meaning Harris/Walz won.
🧑‍💻
But let's do the audits, for all 7 swing states.
Use Deloitte or PwC etc.
Their tech guys can audit the systems and they can arrange for a manual recount from the ballots.

Trump should want this🤔

iotvashtar.bsky.social•5 days ago

Agreed

mystoopidstuff.bsky.social•5 days ago

The right side of this page seems pretty... unlikely, to say the least. And there are more like it in the linked google doc.
https://smartelections.us/lawsuits-1

tracysasser.bsky.social•4 days ago

Another GREAT episode! I, too, could listen to Billy Ray Talk about democratic messaging for hours. Great job!

nanato5inaz.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌📌

typesetter.bsky.social•5 days ago

Faith over fear.

cookieriot.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

lsdaif.bsky.social•5 days ago

Spot on. So good.

barefoot3.bsky.social•5 days ago

Brilliant

nadinepal.bsky.social•5 days ago

Bloomberg had great ads in 2020– kick started the dem race

elevenfilms.bsky.social•5 days ago

Time to wake up and smell reality—no more sugarcoated lies.

kslatteryresist.bsky.social•5 days ago

Exactly. Truth wins, especially when it includes facts about what Democrats will do to make all of our lives better. We also need to keep building our media with YouTube channels, independent media etc.

muttsylvania.bsky.social•5 days ago

I'm rooting for you guys. The "message" to working people got hijacked by Reagan when the GOP discovered they could appeal to [uneducated] working class voters by using race to divide us and blame the most vulnerable among us for Republican policies that began shifting wealth to create the 1%.

johnmaun.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yeah the American NAZI Party(Formerly the GOP) have always had the lead when it comes to Americans belief in who runs the economy best.

And that has always been completely wrong.

From Apr, 2024.

https://www.epi.org/press/new-report-finds-that-the-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidential-administrations/

azkellyk.bsky.social•5 days ago

Thank you, this is awesome! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

thinkinclearly.bsky.social•5 days ago

Totally agree. I got inspired listening to Jon Tester in action on the floor of the senate over the Pact Act, the Infrastructure bill. If I was paying for an ad that was just Jon speaking, with a tagline at the end, it would have worked.

kminichello.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

lakitukl.bsky.social•5 days ago

Democracy is a conversation.

Democrats need to remember how to have the chat.

lakitukl.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

jellibean.bsky.social•5 days ago

Our side needs a spinmeister like Frank Luntz — but an honest spinmeister.

juventas-c.bsky.social•5 days ago

I wanted to add my impressions about dems' messaging prior to nov 2024. I had the same unease that I had in 2016. I think it was the lack of dems showing up in my fb and reddit feeds. I was hit with so many trump messages, but I had maybe 2 harris messages in the 3 months prior to election.

biboarderdude.bsky.social•5 days ago

Doesn't it feel odd to decry consultant driven campaigns and in the same post promoting a consultant?

sweatband09.bsky.social•5 days ago

Is “economic populism” when you make a bunch of erratic decisions, lay off 10’s of thousands, and wreck the economy with tariffs? If so, let’s not do that.

herdmendacity.bsky.social•5 days ago

Ummm, no. Billy Ray was basically saying we are too “woke” without any data to back it up. It was never the messaging. It was the fact that incumbent parties got destroyed all over the world because people don’t understand macroeconomics, and Republicans have a huge lying propaganda machine.

vickib.bsky.social•5 days ago

📌

pdxeleven.bsky.social•5 days ago

I could listen to Billy talk for HOURS about Dem messaging
🔥🔥

gaymcmillen.bsky.social•5 days ago

Someone should invite Schumer he needs a lot of help.

robertelliott.bsky.social•5 days ago

This guy's kind of inconsistent - "they like that he's an asshole, and they really want to irritate us." "ask them how this helps their lives". Well, if they're the kind of people who *like* assholes and want to irritate us, would that matter?

davenash3.bsky.social•5 days ago

The more he talked, the more he contradicted himself

robertelliott.bsky.social•4 days ago

I enthusiastically agreed with many points he made, but that one, and not telling people they're saying things which are not nice (so we hear someone say the n-word and we're not supposed to tell them it's wrong?), I can't get on board with.

davenash3.bsky.social•4 days ago

Great point. Anyone who’s anti “woke” should be confronted with “okay, how far back do we have to go before it’s not okay again?”

athenagabriel.bsky.social•5 days ago

Entering the 21st century the big D Democrats…

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