A question from the other side of the Pond. Did she at any time criticise Biden’s encouragement and facilitation of the genocide in Gaza? If not, “decency” and “integrity” are questionable.
She did say that there should be a two state solution. And pleaded for humanitarian aid. One dies NOT criticize the sitting president of your own party. And our current administration (Biden) has brokered a cease fire. What do you think DJT will do as soon as he takes office?
Weasel words. This genocide could not have happened without the weapons Biden supplied with your money. Why do you folks always think in this binary way? Why do you assume those of us who hold Biden responsible think Trump will be any different?
Irene, we were fighting for our lives over here. Voters were deciding good vs evil. We were trying to save our country. No one should have held out their vote for Harris over an international concern. Did their problem get solved now with the orange guy in office? No, they just gained more problems
You call a genocide which could not have happened without US backing an international concern? This is always the reply from Dems, it won’t be better under Trump but Palestinians will say it couldn’t be much worse. The whole world is at the mercy of the POTUS whoever won, …1/
2/ I understand you think American lives matter the most but we have all been placed in a very precarious situation because the Dems threw the election.
Blaming dems doesn’t offer solutions. We have a very divided country; not even half voted for Trump. There are many of us fighting for change in our international policies. A majority oppose this genocide. But more of us need to push our reps so they stop thinking they can stand by and do nothing.
No it doesn’t offer solutions but nor does posting starry-eyed images of Harris. Yes not even half voted for Trump but as I understand it from here in the UK, of those who voted, Trump won the popular vote (unlike in 2016). That so many abstained is down to the Dems not offering a credible option.
I’m a supporter of Palestinians and have been critical of Biden and Harris because of it. But saying it couldn’t be much worse with Trump? There’s a reason Bibi celebrated his win—it’s about to get a lot worse. Americans can’t create change at the top, we need to hold local politicians accountable.
Always the same answer, it will be worse under Trump as if those who care for Palestine were rooting for him. A sand lot? What do you think Biden thought would be left of the Strip after more than a year of constant bombardment with weapons he funded with your money?
Do you really think Biden has the power to stop this? He has been doing what he can - bookmark this and let me know how this is playing out in the next 6 months.
Mentioning Trump is whataboutism when the question is whether Harris had "decency and integrity" on the issue.
We know Trump doesn't have decency or integrity, on any issue, so to bring it up is an excuse not to answer the question. The answer being no, Harris supported genocide too.
Biden and Harris were continually facilitating Netanyahu’s genocide against innocent Palestinians, and whilst one might never vote for Trump, nothing would have changed under Harris, so they chose to abstain 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, it is absolutely appalling and disgraceful that anyone would ever vote for someone who has been convicted of 34 felonies over a decent woman who was a prosecutor and has never committed a crime in her entire life.
absolutely none, I am not a conservative. I am a progressive who holds genuine beliefs and doesn't worship a corporate political party like it's a sports team
I didn't say you were a conservative. Trump won the election, and when I hear people talking like you do, I wonder which candidate did you expect to win?
Did you actually think a third party candidate was going to win?
In the end, lots and lots of money won the election. Still, we need to stay informed and involved and not just give in. Just communicate to those in your own circle hope, joy, decency, and integrity and endure the opposite of hope, joy, decency, integrity for these next 4 years as well as you can.
3. And finally, if you really are interested in learning about the failures of the Democratic party over the last 50+ years, there is this book by Thomas Frank that should open your eyes. "Listen, Liberal: Whatever Happened to the Party of the People." You can find it on Amazon. Need more?
It also would've meant being able to SLEEP without wondering what FRESH HELL you're going to be waking up to EVERY DAMN DAY because of the LATEST HORRENDOUS thing the DICTATOR in Chief has done!
America had a choice to go down one of two paths. America chose the Psychopath! I grew up thinking that Americans were better than this. Evidently I was wrong. The find out phase is going to be brutal as hell. Our way of life is about to change.
I think, in that instance, you vote for the one who is likely to do less harm. But that's me. I rather subscribe to that saying about perfect being the enemy of good.
Too many people in the US have little to no idea what living in a dictatorship will be like. Even the fools who voted for the man who promised to be a dictator on day one are clueless. "Brutal" is how I foresee it, too.
Her dropping all of the populist anti price gouging anti corporate rhetoric to hold hands with the likes of Liz Cheney and other neocons was not a winning strategy.
It was still far better than Trumps incoherent word salad rallies. She put for polices while Trump just put forth hate. Hate won in this instance. Democrats need to get down on their level and fight. the high road got us nowhere.
The Dems problem is that as liberal institutionalists, they don’t have room to maneuver to the populist left to find someone to blame for problems and promise to redress. Bernie and AOC types do it decently well but they are marginalized. Dems are more wedded to the system than they are winning.
Hate won, yes- more hate for the system and the status quo than anything else. People want and need a narrative. Things are bad. Why? Because x group. And I will make x group cry on your behalf. Harris *almost* approached doing that with the price gouging angle but then dropped it.
No, they won't, FOX will tell them it's Democrats, gays, lesbians, trans and Hispanics making their life miserable. If they did regret it, it would force them to acknowledge they are scum also.
Will they though? Fox, Newsmax and Elon will tell them things aren't more expensive, or more expensive isnt really bad, and failing that, will simply give them someone to hate and blame that isn't Trump or Republicans. You know that's how it works.
Oh I know I’m 100% waiting for their excuse expensive = good just like mask = bad. The average low info voter that voted for lower groceries won’t care about the excuses tho just like they ignored every indicator economy was fine
Faith the size of mustard seeds will take us into a peace like no other! Don’t stop smiling, don’t stop standing in your beliefs God can and God will right all wrongs.
She was obviously better than trump but let’s not kid ourselves. She was an institutional candidate, a career politician and a committed Zionist. Hardly a bastion of integrity.
We had a choice - pick one and stand by it. Saying "obv better but still sucks" isn't helpful. Work to get get better candidates - that's the next step. Rehashing disappointment is distracting
Im just pushing back on this narrative that the dems victory would have been a shiny joyful outcome. That idea is entirely unhelpful. If voters just blindly idealize the dems as the ideal then theyll keep doing the same terrible politics that lost them the election. Criticizing them is a must.
I think the effort goes to finding better candidates, ALWAYS. ALL candidates have to be pushed to be better. A working journalist pool helps with that. Educated and engaged voters help with that. Identifying bad faith voices helps with that. There's so much to all of this... grouching now ain't it.
I’m not “grouching”. The electorate has little to no power in choosing candidates (Kamala Harris being hand picked and skipping the primary process, or Bernie being shafted after winning). I’m not being bad faith, you just don’t like what Im saying. Blindly riding for any candidate you get doesnt /1
Accomplish anything. It’s the responsibility of voters to be critical of their leaders. Trying to silence those voices just leads to horrible campaigns like the one Kamala ran this election. /2
I’m under no illusions that trump won’t be terrible. Reasonable people don’t fantasize about a polished turd when they get handed an unpolished turd. Aim higher than the slop the Democratic Party has been offering you.
The party needs to advocate for policies that actually address the material problems facing the American people. Rather than capitulate to right wing culture war nonsense or doubling down on support 4 the ongoing gside, they need to push for meaningful populist economic policies that help 1/2
People where they’re hurting. Alleviate the higher cost of living, healthcare, the list is extensive. They’ve done none of that, instead insisting that things are great and doubling down on Biden, a historically unpopular president, as having done everything great. 2/2
Unfortunately, America thought otherwise. And MSNBC and CNN and their talking heads lied all along the way saying it was inevitable. The entire experience was awful. The MSM sucks and obviously cannot be trusted one iota. And the polls … utterly useless (again). And the Dems have ZERO messaging.
And destroy the country with woke madness by stupid war mongers. Everyone in the Middle East is happy they didn’t win. Finally peace coming to this region.
Truly we have so much more to do with equality.
Was it because she is woman
Was it because she is mixed race? (A lot of whites have mixed racial lines, they don’t tell their country club friends)
Was it she didn’t have enough time to campaign?
So instead we get Trump2, gonna be very bad for America
...but, sadly 53-56% of Yt women, 75% of Yt men, Latino men, South Asians, North Africans, and Middle East folks all instead chose an adjudicated Grapist, convicted felon, and known liar to, again do his best to wreck the country and cause global chaos while further enriching himself.
I agree that Kamala Harris is 1 million times better than DJT but let us not kid ourselves. The incrementalism championed by Kamala, Biden types is what opened the path for Trump. They are not champions of the common person.
Democrats picked a poor choice as their candidate. She wasn’t voted on. If they had let democracy work things may have turned out differently. America spoke. Loudly.
This will still happen.
December 17 is an important day for her and America.
December 20 is the deadline for the DNI to submit their Report on Election interference.
THIS WILL BE EPIC.
Oh please let’s not act like those corrupt politicians are suddenly decent just because we had to choose between them and a fascist. Their weak policies and failures to galvanize the left is largely to blame for why we are in this mess today. Her losing doesn’t change that.
I don’t understand your response to my post. You seem like you would be a supportive person, so I am not sure why you would reply to me with curse words.
My objection is about those who did vote. Should we believe that Latinas, who were in the list of candidate trump to be deported if he won the election, really voted for him? Weren't they afraid of separation of their banies or DACA?
His professor said he was the dumbest student he ever had. A member of his family (I think) said he got someone to take his entrance SATs. The only things Trump has ever been good at are lying and defrauding. He is the most successful snake oil salesman ever, if only there were a Nobel prize for it.
We won’t hear the last of VP Harris. 2025 will be her year to really shine. Good things are going to happen for her. Many many will regret for not voting for her. “The I told you so days are coming” Ready with my gourmet popcorn and top shelf champagne thank you. Can’t wait. Uhmm! Uhmm!
They either were comfortable enough to go back to being apathetic about politics, or figured that if the dems weren't going to do more for gaza then the whole world mind as well burn~ now gaza AND ukraine are screwed. We may be, too, when dump & friends bankrupt our gov. to line their own pockets.
I have a pinned post on my page and I just keep adding maga and undesirable accounts to block almost everyday - anyone can add to it. Block and share every one you find, if everyone blocks we can keep bluesky clean.
Look, she wasn’t perfect; she was a moderate to right-leaning Democrat, but the fucking nerve of people to say, “But I don’t know where she stands on policy matters.” Like she fucking talked about her policies all the time. They were spelled out on her website. Trump had “concepts of a plan”.
DJT has been spewing his "policies" for years, with much help from the Democrats, like constantly bringing up Project 2025, whatever that is. Now you expect people who work at least 1.5+ jobs to go to a website?
considering how many black men and latinos voted for Trump, i dont even think race or ethnicity had shit to do with it. They didn't like she was a woman, Machismo culture really took a hold this election.
Exactly. So wtf is going on? Because if we just keep ignoring the real issues because they are uncomfortable then the maga movement will continue to grow.
I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a heartbeat. It wasn’t misogyny. Harris was/is a horrible candidate and Democrat grifter who has continually failed upward.
So you would rather see the country destroyed by a bunch of grifters than accept a process of selection that you personally did not like. Strong work, all of you.
I hated Obama's pick of Joe Biden as VP because he was a New Dem suck up to the banks, being from Del. But he ended up treating Bernie and progressives better than Hillary and her people did and was the most progressive president of my lifetime since LBJ.
Expect perfect, miss gift in your face.
2/2 The Democrats struggled to connect these qualities to the priorities of everyday voters. Until the party refines its messaging and counters GOP framing more effectively, they risk losing ground even against flawed opponents. Perception and communication matter as much as policy.
1/2 - This highlights a critical issue for the Democratic Party: a failure to craft a resonant and effective message. Many Trump voters I’ve spoken to saw Kamala as "crazy" or "uneducated," a perception largely driven by Republican narratives that went unchallenged.
This is what will be, after the Nazis kill themselves before We, The People get our hands around their collective necks and squeeze until their eyes pop out
The world will survive, because it has to. More suffering will occur, but only to prevent the suffering of innocents who can't/won't fight back
You do know there was a bipartisan border security deal ready to get pushed through Congress until Trump told Republicans to tank it because it would look bad for his campaign, right?
Too much reliance on celebrities and "joy." Positivity is one thing but this was too much, especially with the world turning right. Now, we watch while democracy dies. Can't wait until Enrique Tarrio gets the Medal of Freedom and the thought police march us all to the local megachurch on Sundays.
Find a man that looks at you like this. One that says I do love you, but I used to love someone else too, and if you don’t do what I ask, the same things will happen to you. Yes, and the exact same applies to Trump. Enjoy your uniparty felons.
Tis better to light a candle. . .
Find the way to educate voters. That's a political party's primary job. DJT is in the news all the freaking time, stretching his coattails. Dems spent their time helping him with highly publicized court cases and constantly talking about a Project 2025.
It’s a two-party system, unfortunately, the rest is a throwaway vote. That won’t change by recruiting voters to other parties, due to our extreme capitalism. The money has to decide to go elsewhere too. All we have is our votes and, right now, that’s a choice between the two.
Biden should not have run again and the Dems should have had a primary runoff of candidates last year. A vote for a candidate outside the two parties only helped Trump. While it remains a two-party system, it may be noble to vote for one of those other candidates, but it’s not productive.
In some alternate universe where the public is educated and engaged she won in a landslide and is president-elect now while Jack Smith is getting ready to prosecute Trump.
In that alternate universe, many are looking to buy a house with the $25k down payment assistance/student loan help, lots looking to open up shop with the $50k Small business tax break, others looking to purchase EV’s and solar panels, and most of us hoping single-payer health insurance could happen
210,000 votes….all that was needed. I hope MAGA “loves” their $1.50 gas and eggs, their “lower” taxes and mortgages, and “high paying” non-college educated jobs. They really think the orange man gives a sh-t about them?
That’s the irony. They won’t get &1.50 gas again unless we have to shut the country down. That wasn’t Trump - that was COVID that forced that (supply and demand). They won’t get lower taxes unless they’re uber-rich.
Exactly. In normal political times, I would expect him and GOP to get punished in the midterms when MAGA realizes this, but with the failure of MSM, gerrymandering, and a corrupt SCOTUS, who knows?
I have a feeling we won't be having fair and free elections for a while. Republicans don't plan on surrendering power now that they have it back. Project 2025, based on Dominionism, is a long-term goal. They want to dominate-control-rule, not govern.
I hear you, but the last thing people of good character should do is just obey in advance. If you are not familiar with historian Tim Snyder, take a look at his book “ On Tyranny”. Also subscribe to historian Heather Cox Richardson “ Letters from an American “
Your vehicle gas is only 65% domestically the rest is imported. Canada is the biggest source and Mexico is the second. Both will likely be have tariffs with you shortly.
They still are & will still remain those things. And, hopefully, this is a situation of delayed gratification, even if we have to wait another 4 years of Little Trumpy making a complete ass of himself, & uncovering all the corruption within his MEGA Madness squad, before we get to fully enjoy it.🌹
I respect your difference of opinion. Unfortunately, often decisions are made where one group is hurt or deprived of benefit in government. I wish it weren't true, and I have lived around the world and have friends of numerous races, cultures, religions, etc. Still, some people are definitely evil.
I have also lived around the world and have friends of different races and cultures; that's all irrelevant. The world watched as both Kamala and Trump shook hands with Netanyahu. We watched them BOTH give his genocide their support.
Maybe the DNC shouldn’t have rigged the primary against him. They admitted this in court. They simply didn’t care what the voters wanted. Hillary was going to be the nominee and Sanders was used to get donations and bring in new voters.
That’s not America any more is it, now it’s culture wars, racism, homophobia, incompetence, lies, guns and religion. I hope the decent people do something about it, especially if Trump starts pardoning insurrectionists as then he signals that insurrection is fine!
She's got four years to show the US that she is the one to clean up the mess we're about to witness.
After this next presidential term, a clapping seal will seem like a preferable option.
And I’m sorry but talk about people being mental… how much money did you spend on his made in China merch? Do you still fly his flags and have his signs out?
The Russian assets are tRUMPf, his admiration for dictators, and his unwitting supporters. I guess, for folks like you, it is easier to just be a MAGAKKKult member and be full of hate than an informed, educated American citizen.
I'll stick with being WOKE.😏
We get it you love rapist, conmen & felons. Hope you get everything you deserve you disgusting excuse for a human. Now piss off back to shitter where you & your kind belong.
Help? Ha - from who? A 6x bankrupt 3x married lying lowlife. The country is fine - the only person Trump is going to help is himself. You are about to witness the biggest graft and money grab in history.
One of them, certainly. Future generations are going to struggle to parse how frustration with that position led to election of the person talking about Gaza's value as development property.
(Made even more inscrutable now that Iran & Russia being overextended toppled a ghastly butcher's regime.)
I've understood for a very long time that at least half the population is indescribably stupid. I have to say I was put back on my heels a bit by this latest election because I didn't think that even indescribably stupid people could believe Trump's bullshit. I guess stupid even gets stupider
It’s not that people are stupid but many are poorly educated. 54% of US adults read below a 6th grade level. They take in info differently and we need to find new ways to reach them.
I don't know.. I think you're splitting hairs. Between 2% and 4% of people still think the Earth is flat. Our spheroid shaped planet has been widely known for at least hundreds of years. That's not a matter of not being able to reach them. it's willful ignorance which to me can only mean "stupid"
As a family doc, I used to engage with lots of people of varying educational and occupational backgrounds. Reading level plays out in all sorts of ways. Most of them are not stupid but weren’t trained to be critical thinkers.
Yeah I can get behind some of that. I still think a lot of it is just willful ignorance. They like a particular way of thinking and they're not about to give it up even when they know it's wrong. Maybe it's just too hard to admit to themselves that they were fooled?
The sad thing is, MAGA will continue to love Trump. MSM will continue to report favorably upon him and blame all the crap Trump causes on the Democrats and the Deep State, even though the Elites will now be all the unelected Billionaires who will destroy this country, piece by piece.
Take a piece of red paper. write on it "
Donald J. Trump". Put it in a small container, fill with vinegar, cover and put in your freezer. And then, this is the most important part--FORGET ABOUT TRUMP. He's been a source of unhealthy entertainment far too long. Ignore him. And fight against his rule.
The word #joy, i don't know whose idea was, this word which cost the democratic party its defeat to a silly and #weird man that is #trump . People were not feeling "Joy", they were feeling like #Luigi_Mangione.
I am not saying only the word 'Joy' failed the Democrats but they didn't acknowledge the hardship of the people, when asked, Kamala Harris said "i wouldn't have done anything different than Biden", their faithfulness towards their donors and Palestine, so many things could have done differently.
MAGA trumpers need to learn the hard way.... but the rest of us have to be hurt. The ONE thing that I look forward to ...watching these MAGA Trumpers get theirs first. Pass the popcorn,.
Look at the way she looks at him. We could have had that... Instead we get 4 more years of Melania rolling her eyes at the orange menace. All decency gone... Democracy hanging in the balance.
I think you will find that he gives up more easily on female nominees. It is an element of his misogyny that allows him to think of women as disposable/interchangable.
What should have been. It literally sickens me that his ballot burning, bomb threats, illegal lotteries, disinformation, and Putin won out. Trump goes as low as a person can go.
I keep thinking Americans will rise up and take their country back, but not holding my breath. Not sure why smaller countries are demanding change through protests while the most powerful nation on earth just lays down and takes it.
It's called democracy, you simp. People voted. Trump won. Word salad giggle girl lost. Democracy is what you said you wanted to protect? You got it. Deal with it.
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Part of the reason why the Dems lost is because too many, like you, thought Biden and Harris were above criticism.
https://www.propublica.org/article/gaza-palestine-israel-blocked-humanitarian-aid-blinken
We know Trump doesn't have decency or integrity, on any issue, so to bring it up is an excuse not to answer the question. The answer being no, Harris supported genocide too.
Biden and Harris were continually facilitating Netanyahu’s genocide against innocent Palestinians, and whilst one might never vote for Trump, nothing would have changed under Harris, so they chose to abstain 🤷🏻♂️
Money won this race for the guy I will never refer to as President.
They put a lot of money into smear campaigns against her & we have a lot of low information voters.
This makes me sad.
Fear, Hatred, Immorality, Division, Lies.
Knows no bounds with these two. We are so f$&’d
Aesthetics and meaningless buzzwords are all you vapid liberals have.
Did you actually think a third party candidate was going to win?
Its just gonna be harder to achieve it.
Hope, joy, and decency is gone with Trump. What is left is the fight against him.
FIGHT!
Please be both precise and specific.
If there is any kind of crisis, whether medical (remember COVID) or defense, or economic, the Dump is wholly unqualified to lead us through it.
Buckle up.
It's exhausting having news taken over by repeating firehose of lies out of his mouth.
The media are in a gross codependant relationship with him.
Was it because she is woman
Was it because she is mixed race? (A lot of whites have mixed racial lines, they don’t tell their country club friends)
Was it she didn’t have enough time to campaign?
So instead we get Trump2, gonna be very bad for America
Could have.
Should have.
Would have.
We are where we are, with work to do. Onward.
https://bsky.app/profile/jimmyeverest.bsky.social/post/3lbv5i47lxk2k
Why would conservatives vote for Republican lite when they can get the super racist hateful Republican?
Kamala let Biden's team take over, listened to billionaires, and ran to the center like she was EVER gonna get white women to vote for her.
Took UHC money too.
Sure I voted for her but it's PAINFULLY clear why so many did not.
December 17 is an important day for her and America.
December 20 is the deadline for the DNI to submit their Report on Election interference.
THIS WILL BE EPIC.
We good.
Our voting system failed us twice to stop Russian interference in our election.
Did trump and MAGA get over it?
It’s very obvious
Our party has a leadership problem.
Why did they?
We need to find out, without waiting 5 more months for data from Pew.
Block the nihilists. I am.
Thanks for the heads up, though. This is the kind of post that would be a "target rich environment"
Everyone who said inflation caused them to vote for Trump is a gullible idiot.
There should have been an open convention. Coronating Harris was the beginning of the end.
The fault lies entirely with Biden for not allowing us to have primaries
Expect perfect, miss gift in your face.
"DAMN. THE PRICES WENT UP AGAIN!"
I'm waiting to see if the DNC has the wherewithal (i.e., cojones) to publish an honest post mortem.
The world will survive, because it has to. More suffering will occur, but only to prevent the suffering of innocents who can't/won't fight back
Kamala: Shit I'm losing my Secret Service detail
Find the way to educate voters. That's a political party's primary job. DJT is in the news all the freaking time, stretching his coattails. Dems spent their time helping him with highly publicized court cases and constantly talking about a Project 2025.
Low information voters exercised their passive acquiescence and voted for the #Duopoly.
AGAIN. 🤬
Genocide supporter
They are no better than Trump. It's the same destruction in different packaging, bombing innocent people and using our tax dollars to do it.
Y'all need to stop the cap.
I have also lived around the world and have friends of different races and cultures; that's all irrelevant. The world watched as both Kamala and Trump shook hands with Netanyahu. We watched them BOTH give his genocide their support.
After this next presidential term, a clapping seal will seem like a preferable option.
Woman!
Of color!
Mixed marriage!
Hope!
Decency!
Instead we get orange, hate, racist, everything-phobe, Nazi.
RESIST the orange DicKKKTater wannabe.
So you are going to work against America?
Are you Russian or something?
I'll stick with being WOKE.😏
You are being scammed
(Made even more inscrutable now that Iran & Russia being overextended toppled a ghastly butcher's regime.)
💔🇺🇸💙
Donald J. Trump". Put it in a small container, fill with vinegar, cover and put in your freezer. And then, this is the most important part--FORGET ABOUT TRUMP. He's been a source of unhealthy entertainment far too long. Ignore him. And fight against his rule.
or if you put jk after what you typed.
Congratulations Everyone!
Kari Lake is out as
Ambassador to Mexico!
#KraziKlownKari #Mexico #Ambassador
When you're cozy in bed, snuggled up under a pile of warm blankets... Why get up, when you can just stay comfortable?
There's a very real, subtle AF power dynamic in play. If America falls though, the world as we know it is vastly different.