I hold a lot of disdain for the people who didn’t see this coming given P2025 but it does seem like the actual support for these goals is nonexistent, everyone who voted for him did so under the incredibly stupid assumption that he wouldn’t do this
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Here's a thought for you... Dude accessing social security database files? What harm? Short link to voter database files connection. Make payments to "supporters" only? Not a stretch... and still ... crickets
Oh it'll go much further than that. They'll rape, molest, torture, enslave and murder. Will allow their families to have the exact same happen to them. To spite our faces.
It never will pay off, he doesn't listen to his constituents and even if he does see people refer to elon as "president musk" it won't matter, he's seen us call him worse and as sad as it is he knows how to ignore everyone left of, like, kari lake
Like yes trump is incredibly stupid but the one thing he knows how to do is play the game of politics. he convinces, he brainwashes, he ignores. there's one way to win the fight and it's not by calling him names. we have to fight.
No,he's not"playing politics"competently on the international stage,though he appears to do well at home.He has a narcissistic personality—not insult but fact.You do not deal with such individuals as you have recommended.They need to be in charge and keep everyone else off-balance.Do that to them.
He doesn’t know politics at all. He knows branding. They overlap at times but they’re different. And his brand is inexorably interwoven with his ego so yes, “President Musk” in concert with other affronts will slowly but surely push him toward self-sabotage.
Politics is branding, though, and that's the one thing he does well, that and dirty, underhanded shit (thanks to that SOB Roy Cohn).
But yeah, the idea that Muskrat is the real power behind the throne will definitely get to him sooner or later. That man is thinner skinned than Kleenex.
I don't think it's him calling the shots. I believe he is too stupid to have such a cogent plan and incapable of executing all of this without people like Steven Miller, Elon Musk, etc, telling him what to do. He is their puppet.
The 🍊 felon is the frontman / carnival barker. He is definitely NOT the brains or the spine of the movement. His celebrity brought the red hat cult to the table. Musk brought dark $$$, crypto bros, Nazis, & hacking criminals. Miller & his Heritage Foundation a$$holes brought P2025 and efficiency. 🖕🖕
Don’t underestimate the 🍊 felon’s weakness regarding his personal “brand” (name). He carries grudges against anyone who slights his brand. Elonia taking his spotlight, even if only in his imagination, the effort WILL pay off.
I'm proof it happens. Took Jan 6th and pizza gate realized that I was fooled and kids weren't being sold on Wayfair and I vowed to never trust my family's views again and started learning. Party was changed the next day. It does happen . We do recover.
I'm glad you finally opened your eyes, but I really gotta ask how you could ever believe any of that
Did you just hate Democrats enough that you were willing to believe? Pizzagate and January 6 where *years* apart...
Also, I'd been trying to remember which company it was
Thought Mayfair, wasnt sure
It also means giving up their sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves. Ironically, if they actually cared about their communities they wouldn’t try to hurt their most vulnerable neighbors.
Because I don’t think that they’re as left as we think. If they were truly left, they would push for anti-lobbying bills and bills that would prevent them from trading stocks. The good guys are the progressives…everyone else can fuck off.
I don't know. It's sort of difficult, as someone who saw this coming and warned others, to see how the urgency is different now. Some were very loud about not voting for genocide. Where are they now? Why are we expected to do the work building bridges and making plan b's?
Im inclined to agree. I'm just tired of the faux kumbaya. I'm all for hand-holding, AFTER a dark night of the soul, their breath reeking of crow. No sooner, no less.
We’ve been doing this Kumbaya bullshit for too long. And when I mean, we, I mean they. That is their job to fight for us. That’s why we elect them. We are the ones that should be building our communities rather than fighting for them constantly.
I think an honest conversation about how the left is not united is better than pretending we are and hitting us all up for small donations, like the DNC gives one shit. That they are the lesser of two evils was always a reality. But, I need to see what they are doing about corporate influence.
In 2020 I had a dystopian dream about america. We had no modern technology Trump was president and one of his followers came after him with an assault rifle ready to assassinate him screaming he lied to us. I thought it was a pandemic dream however, maybe it's prophetic
Don't believe the lies. The Germans never turned on their country. But remember, America fought with STALIN, and turned over territories to him that led to mass genocide through oppression.. starved to death, ate children. Just like Mao.
To put further context to that: The combination of massive amounts of propaganda, a war they believed they were winning with many of their fellow countrymen they knew were fighting, and genuine fear of a police force that can target anyone at any time will do that. We aren’t there yet.
Right, and we need to stop it at this stage. Reach out to everyone and point out how nothing is going well and don’t accept making it worse at all. The expansionist wars they’ve been pushing need to be prevented. The secret police is being built already, camps and all. We all need to say no further.
Unfortunately, I think we’re passed that point. I hope you’re right but to me, misinformation has won. Feelings over facts has won. & this is just the beginning. Social media is only making us dumber & easier to lie to. It’s just getting started. Hope you’re right tho 🤞
Nah some of these people do want this. I think most don’t. But a disturbing amount of them are excited at the idea of tanking their own economy as well as ours to…*checks notes, “Own the libs”.
A lot of people who voted for him heard him say these things but because they’re white and never experienced government hostility thought this was all hot air…
I watch political lives on tiktok and there are absolutely people who defend this bs. A lot of people would happily accept fucking themselves over if it means the people they don’t like get fucked over too
They can all give us a pointless and empty apology as the country falls and burns around us. So many educated and willfully ignorant white people, Latinos, and Muslims just refused to listen to Black people, people of color, and women. Enjoy your suffering and oppression; we fucking told you.
more specifically, they voted for him under the assumption that his actions wouldn't negatively affect them. they would just assume that whatever happens would only harm people who deserve it, and fill in the blank for whichever group of people you hate the most.
Also, a lot of the votes where single issue. They were voting only against abortion/immigrants/non-whites whatever dumb thing without thinking beyond that one issue and what else he would bring. Same for protest votes, not freedom caused on Ds Gaza response and ignoring Rs Gaza stance.
Not these specifics, but I bet "owning the libs" is still going strong, and will keep a lot of his base happily, furiously, in denial for a good while yet.
No, not everyone. Way more people than we for some reason want to admit DO want these goals. And we’re doomed until we admit and address it directly. “Basket of deplorables” was accurate but we always back down. They do not.
Certainly the full on fundies and fascists knew it was happening and wanted it. But the average maga hatter? They just wanted cheap eggs and no more brown people.
Just how are they still deluding themselves about that right now. Oh, right...they have no clue what it's about, just that Trump said he had nothing to do with it, so it can't be P2025.
I agree. It won't be until his insane behavior starts to harm them -- higher food prices, higher interest rates, no housing relief, etc. etc. What stupidity!!!
I am not a Trumper, but Fake45 lied during the campaign that he had nothing to do with Project2025. Just lied. Misled the gullible. As he has all his life. Trump University anyone?
And while some will focus on the fact that you have insulted those voters by saying that "everyone who voted for him did so under the incredibly stupid assumption that he wouldn't do this", I laud you for calling it what it is. This will change Canadian/American relationships for years to come…
Surely most simply didn’t read P25 nor watch his rallies, maybe they went to just one. I doubt many chose to inform themselves (therefore voted unknowingly) .
Those Trump voters who did vote with knowledge clearly & ignorantly just didn’t think the leopards would eat Their faces. 😡😡
I mean this is just the farmer who was recently interviewed "he's not gonna take *my* illegal immigrants, because if he does then our food supply would collapse."
They just assume it won't impact them and just surprised pikachu when it does.
The problem is that the goals do matter to people powerful enough to achieve them, and those that don’t support them can expect their remaining power (vote) to be removed by those powerful people.
No, no, it wasn't a stupid assumption at all. They are racists and bigots. They knew what he was going to do, because they WANTED to hurt minorities. His voters' issue now is that his policies are hurting THEM (and some of them still don't care).
this is not what the callers on cspan Washington Journal convey, they seem pleased as hell and keep repeating ‘we’re going back to common sense’ blah blah blah
Just like in 30’s Germany, they’ll make the US population so miserable that going to war against Greenland, Panama, Canada, NATO, will seem like the only option. It’s the exact same playbook, find a bad guy(immigrants), deplete the treasury, destroy the economy, make the rest of the world hate you.
The economy in 1930’s Germany had been wrecked by WWI and the harsh penalties put upon the country for starting that war. Hitler’s rise to power was founded on his promise to (borrowing from MAGAt speak) Make Germany Great Again.
I agree 100%! The writing is on the wall. Just like the people that thing they can “ride out” the next 4 yrs…he will never let us be. He will always blame the left for all the misery coming down the pipe, and he will not rest until there will be violence against us!
YES! My hubby and I constantly argue about this... he thinks DT voters will eventually become outraged by the insanity, but I say they'll just blame the Dems on everything he does and dig in even further... classic cult behavior!!
True, but not all DT voters are MAGA, there is already a big divide between old and new MAGA. Not to mention that there is a considerable amount of buyers remorse for a lot of the non MAGA crowd.
Sorry, I don’t believe that. He gained in popularity they went in this, eyes wide open. They knew him and what he planned on doing. I do not look to the right to rescue us and come to their senses. We have to rescue ourselves and we didn’t show up even though we knew what was at stake!
My mother is deep in the MAGA cult. And I can tell you, you are 100% correct. There is always someone or something to blame. She has NEVER said anything negative about Trump or Republicans. Well, unless it's the rare occasion when a republican actually stands up to Trump, and then they're a RINO. 🙄
I told her all of this would happen. I told her all about P2025. She told me I was overreacting, brainwashed, and that Trump had no clue what P2025 was. They literally think he can do no wrong. They literally believe that he cares deeply about them and that we are the ones who are brainwashed.
DITO! My husband thinks the exact same thing! That could have been true if this was his first go around. But this is the second time and he got worse and his following got bigger. So I have no hope they will come to their senses! They need him to win! They can’t be proven wrong! Stakes are too high
So.. the military the world depends on will be the military they want to face. America--> yank all funding to these countries and drop bombs 💣 MOAB would be perfect. Let's see how they want to tariff us after that. F these leeches
1. Racist and full of hate (white nationalists)
2. Terminally stupid and their zip code is EIEIO.
3. Not terminally stupid but GREEDY as F*ck!
4. Susceptible to cults (low self worth; followers not leaders)
We had the same thing in the UK when the majority of those who voted wanted to leave the European Union. Five years on and nothing to show for it but blue passports - and even those are printed in the EU.
I’m in another country on the other side of the world and I knew about it and it’s dangers. I thought, who would ever vote for that? What’s you average citizens’ excuse?
Heritage Foundation and Christian Nationalists know there isn't support for their agenda. That's why the voter suppression, the right-wing peopaganda that everything's gone to shit, etc. It's all distraction to get the power to enact their agenda while everyone is busy "saving the children"
Reality is: next to nobody gives a fuck about next to nobody and barely themselves in the United States of America. If you're a female or member of the LGBT+ community or not shockingly Caucasian most don't even see you as being a human being
People don't THINK that there is support for the agenda but to test the theory yourself, go to YouTube, type in "DC Crash Rebecca Lobach" click any video from any major news source, and scroll down to the comments section.
Prepare yourself by throwing up first so you don't do it in your lap
I should've clarified. There is support from certain segments, but not to the extent that allows Heritage et al to operate and enact their agenda openly. The supporters are loud and emboldened, but they don't have the numbers if we unite and push back.
I can't think of any other candidate where every single one of their voters insists they voted for him under the assumption they wouldn't do anything they said they would.
Keep your distain and contempt for him! “everyone who voted for him did so under the incredibly stupid assumption that he wouldn’t do this” First. EVERYONE? No. The most educated probably wanted him to do it because it’s serves their bottom line in some way. The majority were USED and deceived.
I was a fierce P2025 educator during the election and as the election got closer, ppl started to defend it rather than just deflect/say he didn’t know about it. They started to say it had good ideas and wasn’t so bad. So…I don’t think there is no support for it, they will do whatever told
Could it be that rather than saying "he won't do that", the hardcore MAGA's you interacted with simply got on the backfoot when confronted with P25 & said they supported the "good ideas" (but had no idea what it entailed)?
I don't believe for a second that the majority of MAGA's actually even read..
They were usually larger discussions like on Reddit and they seemed to be familiar enough with the text or would ask me what my issue with it was and when I’d point out certain policies they’d say- what’s wrong with that? And then my own racist Catholic maga family love many of the ideas in it.
A month out from the election Fox had already started changing how they talked about P2025 and had begun saying it wasn’t that bad and actually just contained normal conservative policies so I think that had a lot to do with the shift too. Maga are brainwashed to believe whatever they are told.
Sounds like we're in the same boat. We need a survivors support group!!
My mother and a majority of her side of the family are MAGA. My mother is the worst one out of all of them. I call her Q MAGA. It's no surprise, considering she's a malignant narcissist. And yes, all Catholic and racist.
YES!!! This!!! My mother literally told me that I'm going to hell because I believe LGBTQ+ people should have the right to get married. This was in 2005, and she's only gotten worse. I left the Catholic church in 2012. I couldn't take the hate and hypocrisy any longer. It seriously is a cult.
They SAY they thought he wouldn't do it, but they actually knew he would and enjoy watching everyone else worry about being killed. These people are bigoted sadists, every last one of them.
I think a lot of people voted because they thought they should be entertained. Politics is not entertainment. It’s slow steady work and providing services. We will learn this lesson the hard way.
And I give exactly 0 fucks about the poor, poor stupid Trump voters. Fuck them. Hard. Give it to 'em, Trump. They let you grab 'em anywhere. You're a star, you prick.
And by doing so they helped make the genocide worse.
This dipshit argument about “I can’t bring myself vote for genocide” proves that you never cared about the Palestinians, you just wanted to virtue signal about how much “better” you are than the rest of us.
Also, I have worked in Gaza, protested the Biden-Harris administration’s genocide enabling; and have recently been laid off by Trump. So, let’s not discuss the prerogatives of the privileged subsection of the woke demographics.
Please look at the comment I am responding to. It is not a standalone comment. And those woke folks who did not vote can now watch Trump wipe out Palestinians. And their fellow Americans.
I'm sorry, but if I was an American then no way on earth would I have voted for Biden/Harris.
We have to stop voting for "slightly less worse than the other side".
Much the same in the UK, I'm a lifelong Labour voter, but refused to vote for Starmer.
FYI. parliamentary and presidential systems work differently. Between your lack of context, and the fact that you are part of the demographics being targeted, don’t expect you to understand the stakes. And please don’t use the royal “we” or mansplain what I have to do.
It seems you didn't realize that Trump's stated plan for the Palestinian situation was for Israel to "get the job done faster". He said it repeatedly, and well in advance of even early voting taking place. Anyone who wanted to know his position had it available to them before they voted.
Then you're nothing but a fascist enabler. The Biden admin got us a ceasefire. The Trump admin is discussing ethnic cleansing and beachfront properties in Gaza. I believe the term is "useful idiot."
God forbid you lot actually listen to the people you pretend to care about:
"Many Palestinians in Gaza tend to hope that Harris will win over Donald Trump, whom Palestinians consider one of the US presidents who they believe greatly harmed the Palestinian cause."
That's one thread of it. We follow the lead of our families and friends. Progressives do that, too.
But where did these values or beliefs come from in the first place? Why would one family in one town have a view different from a family in the other town?
My friend a "brown immigrant" voted for Trump because he, his family, and the rest of his community came legally and do not care for how easy it is now to just come, and the bad name they have called on other good people like him.
My personal trainer, an Afro-Latina from Colombia, shared with me yesterday that she holds that view, as well, and I was flabbergasted (and a bit unnerved). May have to ditch this trainer after these initial 8 weeks that I've already paid for.
Only to people who paid good attention and had the resources to do so.
You know why AM radio hit rural communities so hard? Because we have farmers out here who work 12 hour days. They don't have time for reading and researching.
Guess why Rogan is so popular? They listen while they work.
It’s almost like those people believed that you should expect a liar to keep on lying. And done how rely on that logic. Guess they didn’t realize 2 wrongs don’t make right.
A lot of people, and I live in a very red state, took them at their word that they had nothing to do with Project 2025. They believed it was 'fake news' that the news lies about him all the time and especially if it's negative. It's frustrating but it's the truth.
I found this, too. They truly believe that Trump has no connection to P2025 because he said he didn’t. They also truly believe that ICE is only targeting violent criminals, even when they’re going into schools - that obviously means the schools are harboring criminals, how terrible!
I am hoping enough will see the truth but some will never. It truly is a cult and the stranglehold they have on MSM and SM means a lot of news never even breaks through. So people will have to be personally hurt to wake up.
You could see Trump laughing to himself when he did the faux God worshipping thing.
Well, not him worshipping God obviously, but attending church style events where (pseudo) Christians were babbling about God blessing Trump and other such nonsense.
Right, just like many didn’t believe the Russia connections and had doubts on January 6th, because Biden and Garland refused to actually prosecute Trump for his crimes. That’s the point of the rule of law and justice, and that’s why this administration acts above the law now. Because they have been.
I had a disagreement with a Maga nephew before the election with him believing trump had never heard of project 2025.... SMH. Just Democrat scare tactics
Or they just cared about tax cuts and deregulation. They chose to ignore everything else because in the USA, $$ is king more than anything. It’s not just MAGA who got him elected, it’s the wealthy.
I would agree that the assumption was “somewhat” stupid. He so frequently reneges on his promises that it is not completely stupid to assume that he is lying
I'm with you. I hold disdain for the 32% that voted for it, but at least they picked a side and while it burns they need to own it. There exists a 37% that were too lazy to vote or too ignorant to pick a side. Those voters earned spite. I reserve empathy and sympathy for the remaining 31%.
Disdain and anger pretty much sum up how I feel about his voters and non-voters alike. They couldn't and wouldn't vote for the black woman because of some bullshit despite knowing what was at stake. And it's BS they didn't know. They know and didn't care or in were on the side of the Nazis.
You are giving his voters a free pass. They absolutely knew he would do these things. His “They’re eating the dogs” was the perfect encapsulation of the malice and cruelty he aims at people who are weaker than him, and EVERYONE heard him. STOP GIVING HIS DEGENERATE VOTERS A FREE PASS.
Afraid to be sued. Fear and greed keep them from pointing out all the facts. I noticed CNN stopped calling things out in this election cycle compared to 2016.
People voted form him because they do not love themselves and it is easier for someone else to make choices for them. Violence is choice. I choose to rise above it but it is hard when Americans are constantly being murdered for the bottom line.
Unfortunately, here in Colorado (where only the metro area is blue) I've seen proof that plenty of folks knew exactly what they voted for, and are thrilled by everything that's happening now 🥺
I told my step family this. And then cut ties even before the election, because they all told me to shut up.
Hope they manage to survive the Apocalypse 🤷♀️
It's actually worse than that. I think the overwhelming majority of people who voted for him didn't know anything about this, P2025, Steven Miller, or this whole crazy Elon Musk thing. Unfortunately a large percentage of the population voted like it was some kind of game show. Finding out now tho. 🤦🏻♂️
But, but abortions and men in women's restrooms! We have really stupid and wilfully ignorant citizens. Trying to mention what's going on now, they just don't want to hear it.
I had two people asking me if I was ok with trans women using the same restroom as my daughter. My answer was, I rather have trans women than any GOP member.
I'm 100% okay with it. I generally barely glance at people coming in to use facilities. Also, stalls...it's not like women are seeing each other do their business anyway.
Trans women are women. They are not threat.
And yes, we all mind our business - but GOPs are obsessed with other people’s sexuality and what they do with their own bodies.
Yet another scathing indictment of the American right.
Conflating pedophilia and gender identity is like saying people who dye their hair must all be serial killers. It’s a deliberate, brain-rotting lie designed to justify bigotry. They’re weaponizing stupidity for control, plain and simple.
Anyone voting to ban abortions is already irredeemably evil. They looked at the agonising deaths of young women in need of a D&C like Nevaeh Crain and Amber Thurman and said "good, more of this please".
It's always rare until it happens to someone you love. It could happen to you. The fact is that no individual who can get pregnant is immune from this happening to them, and maternal mortality isn't even *that* rare compared to what people assume
My blood boiled! He said this to my face after I had been through two, thankfully medically uncomplicated, miscarriages. We have no communication now, partly due to shit like this and other awfulness after Covid.
A good friend of mine, who happens to live in TX, did not hear about P25 till October, when I mentioned it to her. It was not widely advertised, for obvious reasons
Mass media is not really reporting any of this, meaning, it’s entirely realistic that many Americans have no idea what’s happening. They are victims, too. Let’s have a little compassion. When we no longer have a Fourth Estate, being uninformed is not simply due to “rubes” trying to own the libs.
more correctly he promised them bullshit that could be interpreted as 200 separate contradictory policy directions and too many people stupidly looked at his track record and said "No way he could do even 10 of these, Im gonna pretend they're the 10 I LIKE". He sold them a timeshare made of farts.
As an American still trying to figure this out ... seems a huge number of people simply do not and refuse to pay attention to politics, and do not want to believe we're in a dangerous situation of our own making even as the 💩 hits the fan. They did not take the Jan 6 insurrection seriously 1/2
Also seems we have a powerful and consistent subconscious desire since the 80s to see Republicans as "good for the economy" and therefore the "default" unless a Democrat is perfect/exceptional and it's clean up time after a recession ... this belief persists even though GOP is insane now 2/2
Imo, cultural amnesia and cultism.
Point 1: the passing of WW2 over the horizon of living memory and into history, leaving us more susceptible to corruptible memetic views of it, rather than the truth.
"We only remembers (the Elves) sang songs). We forgets what they was singing about." T. Pratchett.
Point 2: the division of societies in True Believers and Infidels/Heretics. Trump is a cult icon. Brexit is a cult icon. For the True Believers, it's not enough to win. There must be no dissent. All others must convert or suffer the consequences. Conversion is acceptable by any means necessary.
Point 2 is why even when they win, they're still *so angry*. They hate that others still refuse to Believe. In time, they will hate those people. And what True Believers hate, they will try to destroy. If that means spilling blood...well, it's not like there isn't historical precedent.
We REALLY need to start showing all of those "the nazis we're BAD" movies again, and I'm including "The Sound Of Music," which I hate with a white hot intensity.
One of my local home school groups is developing a curriculum around movies like the sound of music, cabaret, etc. Combining music, film and history, and I think it's great even though I'm not a big fan of musicals.
"everyone who voted for him did so under the incredibly stupid assumption that he wouldn’t do this."
That is not even close to being true. A sizeable portion of his voters--perhaps most of them--wanted *exactly* this to happen. They are thrilled he is delivering on his promises.
Exactly. They are so happy right now. They see all of this as him delivering on his promises. They want to put him on Mt Rushmore. He is their “emporer”. They absolutely love this
I think the rhetorical device the OP is employing combines assumed consensus and face-saving attribution.
1. Create an in-group feeling by suggesting shared experiences ("most of you...")
2. Attribute past decisions to external factors (misinformation) rather than personal fault
3. Frame the audience's previous choice as understandable given the circumstances
4. Position changing one's mind as a reasonable response to new information
As such, whether or not it's true that most did isn't the point.
No assumptions they just literally didn’t care the only thing that mattered and does matter is he’s racist as fuck that’s literally the ONLY thing that matters have we not learned that white people will die to maintain their undeserved privileges?? Have we really not learned that??
More evidence that many voters don’t know how commerce works, nor do they understand how the world is connected. They still think America is it’s own planet. 🙄
Everyone??? .. Hate to break it to you but racism (overt or not) has always been a strong motivator... Inferring many of those voters don't know what they signed up for and were duped, is giving a LOT of grace they don't deserve
They may have been “duped” into signing up for racism when in reality also harm them. They didn’t expect white figure skating kids to fall out of the sky in the first week. I know lots of whites will sign up for their own harm as long as it hurts Black ppl too but how much harm is too much?
Probably a mix of motivations, racism & sexism, especially in old folks, was likely big factor. But some good people are just totally clueless. I have all these cousins in central Illinois who follow ZERO news. They just vote Rep without knowing any of the issues.
After hearing his rhetoric for the last few years and specifically on the campaign trail .. I give no passes. And w/ respect to your cousins, willfully tuning out is a privilege and an intentional action they choose each election cycle. These mgs aren't new. I have no grace for either one
Truly, we live in the information age. Even the barest minimum of research or just, you know common sense, should have revealed that he is doing exactly what he said he would do. I'm with you, no passes.
This. We're more plugged into each other than ever before. It feels like willfully creating personal silos which block ppl, places, things that risk contradicting your beliefs. Like believe them, but own it, completely. Good ppl don't actively or passively choose hate.
Yes, & the never ending war on the “elites.” B/c Trump, Musk, his billionaire backers, etc are not elites. How dumb do people have to be? Not just dumb: spiteful, racist, unaware.
This part. It doesn't matter what happens to them as long as the people they hate suffer. That has not changed one bit from 2016 until now and that's almost his entire base.
But I def agree. This is only the modern version of that. That's why I don't buy the ignorance excuse. These ideologies are built into America's foundation
THANK YOU! We would benefit so much from finally accepting that yes, this is in fact what they want and it's exactly what they signed up for. There is no bottom. Period.
Thanks for this comment. They know what they do. They're experts at bad, mean, failure--know it well, just don't want to feel like shit living that way while the rest of us do well and are decent. Misery loves company. They know exactly what they do. They LOVE Trump for how mean he promises to be.
I wish more people understood this. I'm so tired of the "well if only we could get them to see, then they'd realize." No, nope not happening. They see, they realize, and they love it
Do they want schools closed? Their healthcare gone? Social security stolen? Higher taxes due to tariffs and billionaire tax cuts? Environmental pollution? No checks on finance scams?
And I’m sure that Hans Rändommann joined up with der National Socialistiche Deustche Arbeiterpartie because he was worried about how many Marks a dozen eggs were, or because he was worried about Jews grooming his kids or whatever. Doesn’t make him not a nazi. In fact it makes him particularly bad.
No, I don't think they wanted this, and I think the deafening silence from them right now..cuz they were screamers for years.. is the frightening realization they've been duped and are also screwed.
I don't know how we get out of this.
President Musk controls all the data AND the Treasury now.
Because they can “Want” to undo this clusterfuck (Smart money says they actually DONT want that, and this is just deniability politics) but I don’t give a damn about THAT either, because what they “want” is nothing compared to what they “do.”
Your average Fritz wasn’t a nazi because he was really in on the whole “Hyperborea aliens UFO secret space Aryans” bullshit. He was a nazi so he could work his job. Don’t give a shit WHY, he needed to be shot dead at Stalingrad or the Bulge.
Look at how many people live in denial that their spouse/child/parent is an addict. That they themselves are addicts. Look at how many people minimize the abuse they or their child is suffering.
Unfortunately, support for P2025 is widespread among conservative Christians, and the majority of them vote like their eternal destiny depends on it. They've been working towards these goals since at least the 70s.
My ire includes every single one of the Democratic legislators who have been negligently milquetoast in their response, and who are voting to confirm ANY of this regime’s cabinet members. As if the explicit writing on the wall. It was published, fergodsakes. They’re graciously allowing a coup.
People will vote for anything if you wrap it up in "they are the problem, those others over there" messaging. It's taken 8 years for the tide to begin to turn on Brexit. We can only hope that the speed with which the Tango Toddler screws everything up means voters cotton on sooner.
Correct ✅
You all called us Natzis for too long. Called for our jobs, and then our death during COVID. I will never forget all that was jeopardized. While rooting on our cities burning. It was eye opening.
"Rooting on our cities burning"?? Do explain. Because it was the Republicans who cheered the burning of the cities because they claim that the cities are just liberal cesspools anyway. (BTW, it was Proud Boys who actually did the burning in Minneapolis.)
The take the shot or lose your job, be kicked out of school. But when I told nurses to walk out and let these people care for family on ventilators, I was bad person. Then you all hoped we would die from Covid. Remember?
What a load of bollocks. You are NAZIS. Still are from the sound of it. You didn’t want to wear a mask to keep other people safe, anti vax, also for stupid, selfish reasons. Own it, fascist.
This is what I'm seeing, too. Also, single issue voters who believe Trump will "fix" whatever it is they are concerned about, and would never do anything to hurt the country. It's mind boggling.
There is a hard chaos core of MAGA that supports the total destruction of the United States so that whites can reign supreme, but most Trump voters don’t want this. Just ridiculous and dumb. What a risk!
the problem is I think she’s enjoying it. She still doesn’t seem to grasp this is a real problem and not just “sour grapes” and likens losing the election to a sports game
They'll be told it's some powerless minority's fault, and they'll go along with it because even if they know better they can't face the shame of what they've set into motion.
they make up whatever reasons they think sound plausible but underneath it all they all vote for him for the same reason; they want to see him hurt the people they don't like
Dude, I know *liberal* Harris voters that think he won’t do what he says or think everyone’s overreacting. It’s surreal to watch. Not even just their head stuck in the sand. They’ve buried their entire bodies.
i respectfully disagree. they were willing to light a fire to the whole system. their lives are miserable so they want yours to be as well. + their ignorance. they bought in.
Actually their lives are not miserable, they are just so worried that someone poorer than them will get something and pay no attention to the rich man draining their wallets
They voted for him under the assumption that he would do this but they would gain from it. They are zero-sum thinkers. Punishing their ‘enemies’ means they gain. Yes, they thought he would do it but they thought others would suffer.
Still no. 36% of eligible voters aren’t registered and many of them because they see what we’re seeing - Dem leadership doing nothing while GOP is focused on a dictatorship.
Not excusing their choices but there does need to be a measure of understanding for why people don’t bother to vote.
Real. Both the bigots voting with their whole hateful chests & the misinformed voting out of ignorance are a frustrating, massive disappointment but those who didn’t vote 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭 are another level of infuriating. Voter turnout in the US is fucking embarrassing.
Include in that suffering they wished for - anyone who doesn't look like them, talk like them or worship their particular God. Their whiteness and ultra conservative Christianity is the only thing they accept as valid. I know so many lovely people that don't fit into that narrow view. This sucks.
Yep. The entire Republican party in a nutshell. No imagination. No empathy. Just bad people.
I'll never forget that woman at the beginning of the first Trump administration who told a reporter, "They're hurting the wrong people." She was fine with his hurting people. Till it was her.
It's almost as if someone purchased a social media bullhorn and used it to artificially amplify their own unpopular desires to make seem like it's reality? Seems like it's working.
I think many (if not most) didn’t care that he would do it because they didn’t think it would impact them because *they* are not the wrong kind of people - immigrants, black or brown, LGBTQ+ etc. Many people are about to get a lesson in economic interdependence.
Agreed. And regardless of the BS the media likes to spout, nobody chose this “accidentally” and anyone claiming to have been “misinformed” chose to be.
But there are a lot of people who will support Trump no matter what he does, even if he destroys their own lives. It's never been about supporting specific policies or actions, it's been about supporting him.
I’d love to see evidence that there is even a tiny bit of loss of support from his base. I am not seeing that anywhere, sadly, and I find it stunning given how horrifying all of this is…
FAUX Nuze, Reich Wing Media, Tech Bros and Billionaire subservience....
The lesser ones never got the message, only the vitriol, lies, manufactured outrage, unleashed white supremacy, and fixation on other people's sexual lives.
Combo of a cult of rubes/working class that is fully radicalized by Fox et al to believe the lies—and the fundamentalist/hate taxes rich folks that believe him and want his agenda.
Well if they didn’t think he was going to do any of the things he said he was going to do, what did they think he was actually going to come through on that was a good idea, if it wasn’t all the racist, anti-immigrant, misogynistic, transphobic, anti-business (tariffs) they never thought he’d do?
When Trump decided it was useful to him to politicize the response to Covid19, about 300,000 Americans, mostly his followers, lost their lives from antivax conspiracy nonsense. But the pain seems to have created more reactionary right wing voters than it killed.
He got elected because so many Americans chose not to vote. If all those who voted for Biden would have chimed in, Harris would be our sane, mature and qualified leader right now.
Not just those who voted for him but anyone else eligible to vote that didn’t vote directly for Harris were okay with a Trump win. This includes protest voters, write-ins, third party voters, those who thought their votes didn’t matter, and those who just assumed Harris would win.
Yes, I am in full agreement with you. Some claim they are non-political or that "they're all the same", so they don't bother to vote. I have no respect for them.
The gop has intentionally been pushing their agenda on literally the dumbest 50% of Americans for decades. This was intentional. Ideally they’d like more dumb people which explains their agenda. Morons vote consistently for republicans as they are easily led. Because they are stupid.
Exactly. The more outrage from liberals the more happy they are. That’s literally all they care about. My maga fam is all in on P2025, they want abortions banned no exceptions.
Voter suppression is the answer. Barriers to registration, Eight hour lines on a work day, bomb threats, etc etc etc. Let’s be real about WHY 1/3 didn’t turn out: because it’s not easy to.
For a lot of people, yeah, voter suppression is a massive barrier. But not everyone - my dad lives in OR, where he could have registered while he updated his driver's license and got his ballot in the mail, and he still couldn't be bothered. I'm sure he wasn't the only one.
Why the fuck would you vote for anyone on the assumption that they won’t be exactly who they show you they are?? “Here’s a 1000 page guide on what we’re going to do…”. “Oh, but they won’t do that.”
Most of them aren’t even mad. They’re clapping for the downfall of “big government”, DEI and the “draining of the swamp.” They hear sermons on how Christian life hurts. Their preachers have convinced them this is no different. Just a season that will pass. Speaking from personal experience.
Clapping for things that dont exist while they are building GIGANTO GOVERNMENT while dismantling the functionable government....all the while screaming they are persecuted when they arent. Whats their plan when it doesnt pass? You should start asking that preacher.
Exactly! The church backing up the lies is what gives them power. I’m sure their plan is to blame Biden or Dems. But I won’t be asking them. I no longer darken the doors of churches.
I talked to voters for eight months before the election. I wish I had a penny for every time they told me that he didn’t really mean the things he was saying. And I couldn’t convince them that he really did.
My mil. Her disabled son losing healthcare wasn’t a big enough scare for her. She believes in criminalizing women for opening their legs. One issue voter.
He's supposed to be talking to heads of state in both Canada and Mexico tomorrow. Guarantee he says they caved and revokes the tariffs. He's a buffoon.
He’s doubling down on economy wrecking and gonna put tariffs on the EU. Tomorrow will be a blood bath in the world stock markets all thanks to this insane crook.
I read their posts on Breaking News. It's an app. They are happy that Leon Skum is raiding the Treasury because they have been told the Treasury pays out billions to support terrorists. Every single thing we try to show the truth about, they already have a hateful excuse .
Rtump was their entertainment. His rallies were full of laughter. He was their insult comedian 🤣. That's how he told them all the crap he was going to do, and they enjoyed it. It was a joke. Too bad they are the joke.
The other problem is the 90 million eligible voters who didn't bother to vote at all. I don't believe there's hope for the MAGAts - they are too far gone. But WTF to the 90 million people who decided it wasn't important enough, or they didn't *like* their choices. F*ck them.
I’m on Truth Social where I have my own Group created last year called ‘FIGHT PROJECT 2025’. We tried to warn them but they were just so excited about all the things he was going to do to ‘OWN THE DEMS’. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE IMMUNE.
The far right finally got what it wanted - an ignorant population on sheep. Don't look up and see what's going on. Don't think about it at all, Do what we are told. Vote how we are told. Work, pay taxes, die.
I didn't think he'd carry out the tariffs. I thought he was just mentioning them to make him sound smart - and trigger Democrats. But good. The sooner he breaks everything, the sooner his fans will turn around & eat him for dinner
Why didn't you think he would do tariffs? He did tariffs the last time he was in office. He doesn't understand what they mean; just like he thinks people seeking asylum are insane. He just doesn't understand words
What scares me is the unlikely event that they will eventually see him as the progenitor of the swamp...he is now by definition a career politician in every sense of the word...the very thing they loved that he wasnt when he started
It’s more like this is a small price to pay for me to hate the others openly. What they did not calculate is the actual price. It’s much larger than they think.
That about education and intelligence is true but still doesn‘t mean that all uneducated are superb intelligent. And neither is it an excuse for not having education ! Plus, intelligent people can be horrifyingly awful too…
I can’t blame people for their mental challenges, but I do blame them for ignoring the constant warnings spanning all aspects of governance and humanity.
I have seen and heard people ADAMANTLY supporting a one party system, a Trump dictatorship, a complete overhaul of government, etc just to make sure they get their psychotic idea of traditional religious values hard coded into law. It's not everyone on either side, but SOME did WANT this.
Gleefully Malicious is an excellent way to describe it. These people are empowered and inspired like never before and will be first in line to round up and contain any and all "dissenters" that they deem unworthy in the new empire.
It's a cult. I have a member of it in my family. They will defend him till they are blue in the face. Mom has to tell him. Stop it. I've had enough of this horrible man. I don't want to hear anything about him. 👏 For Mom.
They trusted him that all that bad stuff would only happen to people they don't like. You know; liberals, woke people, people of color, immigrants, non-christians, etc.
The Wall Street Journal ran up the caution flag over Project 2025 in July 2024.
The video included Trump’s stating full endorsement of the plan in 2022, and the head of Heritage stating that he understands that Trump will pretend to distance from the plan to get elected. https://youtu.be/y16SZhZJHkI?si=lSweixZcbH73ba_O
Not seeing much buyers remorse yet. Tariffs might change that. Or if they start monkeying around with entitlements. But racism and misogyny wasn’t a deal breaker to begin with.
I do not believe any of the truly horrid shit he is doing and will do to people who aren’t straight cis and white will register with them, I can only hope the things that affect them directly will turn things around.
Over and over he has lied. Over and over we pointed out his lies. Some of them are STILL praising him saying he’s killing in his press conferences and the most efficient president EVER. It’s easy to knock things down.
I’m not sure why you think the majority—or even a substantial number of Trump’s supporters—assumed he wouldn’t do this. No, they believe this is necessary to make America great again because we clearly weren’t good enough in their eyes.
We will soon be dining at the schadenfreude buffet.
Its impossible to grasp because we are not in the cult & somehow more a cult than ever. They really think he’s the 2nd coming of J-Dawg, but better cause he is here “legally”. Wish I was kidding — I saw a MAGA lady say she would let Jesus in America as long as he had the right documentation. 🫠😅
A lot of them knew it would be bad and secretly, or openly, welcome the coming collapse. They’ll be sorry when it doesn’t play out as romantically as it did in their heads? And that’s aside from the theofascists, who are literally on the verge of turning America into a Christianist caliphate.
It’s more ideological than thst for many. They want to go back to a time where women knew it was their job to make babies, where you could beat your kids, where gay ppl stayed closeted and music and tv was whitewashed fantasy, where schools taught things the old way and could hit the kids. Seriously
Any maga I know this is exactly what they want. They blame libs for everything from traffic to crime to bad entertainment to failing schools to deteriorating infrastructure to rejecting religion; they see it all as going in the wrong direction and this is their chance to course correct
Literally even they do not want syphilis outbreaks because doctors don't know what antibiotics to use because the CDC information and dedicated app on treating STDs has been deleted.
Okay, even if they wanted that, they did NOT want Elon Musk to have their social security numbers, or to be charge of the checks for their Social Security and Medicare.
I'd like at least one of these people to come forward and complain. ONCE. Someone who openly voted for him to just say how they didn't expect him to do any of this. They are idiots.
I think a fair number of his supporters love the idea of isolationism without really understanding the implications of it in a modern context. They’re about to find out.
You said it!!!! Some people are just so....... ignorant!!! The orange man said " I don't know what project 2025 is" but Stevie Wonder saw this lie an mile away!!!
After 55% failing to see we'd be leaving the EU anyway, brexit's promises of the "land of milk and honey", everything the tories did and now Labour, I'm no longer able to ask the question "x can't be THAT stupid", because yes, yes they are!
So I've heard. Idk if yall suppose to be a province, kingdom, prefecture, semiautonomous district... that shit goes deep. but Scotland clearly got some gottdamn sense and at least a few of our states did too. seems like dumbasses are abundant in the anglosphere.
Scotland didn't. And yes, we did wake up one morning to find that too many British citizens believed a blond blustering buffoon who turned out to he a liar, in it for his own gain. Telling everyone I wasn't one of them changes nothing. And now we've got Farage and Reform.
As a broad general principle, about a third of Americans (depending on the specific issue) WANT what Trump is cooking. The are FINE with a n authoritarian Ceaser and a one party government as long as it's their party and it's hurting the folks they think need to be hurt...
They value the hierarchy and need someone to look down on.
About a third of us are horrified at what's unfolding around us and the spinelessness of those who have some power and authority to resist instead just rolling over while mumbling about bipartisanship
to pay attention to anything, and when the fascists does something that hurts them or those they love they'll be utterly mystified how that could possibly have happened because "this is not who we are" they think
It's this third group that gave the first group power. THEY are the ones you speak of
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But yeah, the idea that Muskrat is the real power behind the throne will definitely get to him sooner or later. That man is thinner skinned than Kleenex.
Did you just hate Democrats enough that you were willing to believe? Pizzagate and January 6 where *years* apart...
Also, I'd been trying to remember which company it was
Thought Mayfair, wasnt sure
Rural: We got what we need...our chickens, our goats, our guns, our women, our men, and our got dam beer and that's a got dam 'nuff.
White collar: ✈️ ⛱️
Fucking degenerates…
This was more than foreseeable. Shame can be a corrective. Why are the left always trying to be so fucking nice?
But I have to still fight because cunt in chief is trying to take my livelihood away, literally.
As soon as I have enough money, I’m leaving the country. I’m tired and I hate it here.
Not these specifics, but I bet "owning the libs" is still going strong, and will keep a lot of his base happily, furiously, in denial for a good while yet.
Those Trump voters who did vote with knowledge clearly & ignorantly just didn’t think the leopards would eat Their faces. 😡😡
They just assume it won't impact them and just surprised pikachu when it does.
They claimed I was overreacting and that it didn't exist. Dumbass bigots.
Then why did the Director of a non-existent plan step down after the election?
MIL tried complaining to me about her social security. I was neither pleasant nor sympathetic.
1. Racist and full of hate (white nationalists)
2. Terminally stupid and their zip code is EIEIO.
3. Not terminally stupid but GREEDY as F*ck!
4. Susceptible to cults (low self worth; followers not leaders)
5. A certain type of Christian zealot
6. Highly partisan but shockingly low-information voters
Though you might classify these as subsets of #2…
There is simply no acceptable answer.
Prepare yourself by throwing up first so you don't do it in your lap
I don't believe for a second that the majority of MAGA's actually even read..
*sighs*
My mother and a majority of her side of the family are MAGA. My mother is the worst one out of all of them. I call her Q MAGA. It's no surprise, considering she's a malignant narcissist. And yes, all Catholic and racist.
This dipshit argument about “I can’t bring myself vote for genocide” proves that you never cared about the Palestinians, you just wanted to virtue signal about how much “better” you are than the rest of us.
Congratulations on preserving your ego
I’m sorry you don’t like being called out for being a genocide enabler. You just have to get over it or stop publicly telling everyone who you are.
We have to stop voting for "slightly less worse than the other side".
Much the same in the UK, I'm a lifelong Labour voter, but refused to vote for Starmer.
"Many Palestinians in Gaza tend to hope that Harris will win over Donald Trump, whom Palestinians consider one of the US presidents who they believe greatly harmed the Palestinian cause."
https://www.reckon.news/justice/2024/08/do-palestinians-prefer-kamala-harris-or-donald-trump-gazans-weigh-in.html
What is the cause of those feelings?
But where did these values or beliefs come from in the first place? Why would one family in one town have a view different from a family in the other town?
If I'm too much a gadfly, I apologize.
You know why AM radio hit rural communities so hard? Because we have farmers out here who work 12 hour days. They don't have time for reading and researching.
Guess why Rogan is so popular? They listen while they work.
You could see Trump laughing to himself when he did the faux God worshipping thing.
Well, not him worshipping God obviously, but attending church style events where (pseudo) Christians were babbling about God blessing Trump and other such nonsense.
Hope they manage to survive the Apocalypse 🤷♀️
[I didn't correct the spelling, but it should be "willfully"]
And yes, we all mind our business - but GOPs are obsessed with other people’s sexuality and what they do with their own bodies.
Conflating pedophilia and gender identity is like saying people who dye their hair must all be serial killers. It’s a deliberate, brain-rotting lie designed to justify bigotry. They’re weaponizing stupidity for control, plain and simple.
Also me, a careworn 44 y/o who lived through years of Brexit bastardry and Putin poison, looking across the Pond: "Oh, right, that's how".
And I still don't get it.
Point 1: the passing of WW2 over the horizon of living memory and into history, leaving us more susceptible to corruptible memetic views of it, rather than the truth.
"We only remembers (the Elves) sang songs). We forgets what they was singing about." T. Pratchett.
We REALLY need to start showing all of those "the nazis we're BAD" movies again, and I'm including "The Sound Of Music," which I hate with a white hot intensity.
That is not even close to being true. A sizeable portion of his voters--perhaps most of them--wanted *exactly* this to happen. They are thrilled he is delivering on his promises.
1. Create an in-group feeling by suggesting shared experiences ("most of you...")
2. Attribute past decisions to external factors (misinformation) rather than personal fault
1/2
4. Position changing one's mind as a reasonable response to new information
As such, whether or not it's true that most did isn't the point.
But I def agree. This is only the modern version of that. That's why I don't buy the ignorance excuse. These ideologies are built into America's foundation
They want deportations and owning the libs, sure.
Do they want schools closed? Their healthcare gone? Social security stolen? Higher taxes due to tariffs and billionaire tax cuts? Environmental pollution? No checks on finance scams?
Probably not.
I don't know how we get out of this.
President Musk controls all the data AND the Treasury now.
The only way these dumbfucks will realise what they've done is to be on the receiving end of every last bit of it.
You all called us Natzis for too long. Called for our jobs, and then our death during COVID. I will never forget all that was jeopardized. While rooting on our cities burning. It was eye opening.
Man... sure glad that is settled.
So she voted for him, because if “the Dems” were so against him then he must have good ideas.
[her logic, not mine]
Time will tell
…and then slip and fall and break her fucking leg because fuck her.
Come back and tell us how she's doing once that happens.
Or food?
Electricity?
You can tell her to keep copies of all these costs from last November, then compare them to what they'll be in a couple of months.
Dems need to project their identity as the GOOD GOVERNMENT King Con is destroying.
it's always a lie
they make up whatever reasons they think sound plausible but underneath it all they all vote for him for the same reason; they want to see him hurt the people they don't like
I never said they were smart people.
Half the voters would rather burn the country to the ground than let a girl be president. It’s literally “rule or ruin”.
It was 32% of the 244B eligible voters. And of the 244B only 64% are registered.
Even more pathetic, IMO, but doesn’t negate that it’s a minority that we’re allowing to destroy America.
Not excusing their choices but there does need to be a measure of understanding for why people don’t bother to vote.
They thought only The Godless Libs would suffer, and they were *just fine* with that.
I'll never forget that woman at the beginning of the first Trump administration who told a reporter, "They're hurting the wrong people." She was fine with his hurting people. Till it was her.
ppl hate being at the bottom & some ppl like kicking down
The lesser ones never got the message, only the vitriol, lies, manufactured outrage, unleashed white supremacy, and fixation on other people's sexual lives.
/s
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/harassment-public-health-officials-all-too-common-pandemic
Nobody should be surprised if the Marines land in Panama in the next few weeks to take the Panama canal by force. He would do it.
That's pretty sad
It's sad that people fear those who don't look exactly like them.
There are good & bad people amongst all ethnicities.
The biggest Google search the day AFTER the vote was "what does the EU do?"
It will be just like the Brexit vote too.
You'll have people denying or excusing the choices they made because the mark is ALWAYS the last to admit they've been conned.
#AuditNAZIElmo #DefundNAZIElmo #DeportNAZIElmo #JailtheOrangePustule #SubprimeCourtReformsNOW #DemLeadershipWhereRU
They've said throughout the election, civil war
I can’t blame people for their mental challenges, but I do blame them for ignoring the constant warnings spanning all aspects of governance and humanity.
I just followed you so I can continue to read your wise words.
The video included Trump’s stating full endorsement of the plan in 2022, and the head of Heritage stating that he understands that Trump will pretend to distance from the plan to get elected.
https://youtu.be/y16SZhZJHkI?si=lSweixZcbH73ba_O
Leopardsatemyface on Reddit is good
That has me really worried, all Elon really does is gobble up money.
We will soon be dining at the schadenfreude buffet.
#FAFO
Don't expect me to feel sorry for anyone who accepts with no thought or question.
MAGAts will blame Biden, and the circular blame game will continue.
MAGAts are ignorant BY CHOICE. They will learn nothing.
If I play roulette and my number doesn’t come up, I didn’t want that. But I’m still wrong.
So are they.
They’re getting what they voted for.
For details, follow @jeffsharlet.bsky.social @brucewilson.bsky.social @jennycohn.bsky.social
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2010/07/14/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/
As a broad general principle, about a third of Americans (depending on the specific issue) WANT what Trump is cooking. The are FINE with a n authoritarian Ceaser and a one party government as long as it's their party and it's hurting the folks they think need to be hurt...
About a third of us are horrified at what's unfolding around us and the spinelessness of those who have some power and authority to resist instead just rolling over while mumbling about bipartisanship
And about a third can't be bothered...
It's this third group that gave the first group power. THEY are the ones you speak of