Yes, and the mainstream media, with all of its millions and millions of dollars in ad revenue, won’t identify this distinction. Complicity, cowardice or incompetence. Take your pick.
Deportation refers to non-citizens and undocumented people removed from the US. What's happening now is illegal and unconstitutional. Articles of impeachment should have been filed against the Felon and Noem when the group Garcia was kidnapped with were first sent to El Salvador.
IMO until state AGs & DAs step in to challenge the malfeasant behavior of a now corrupt federal judicial system, bastardized by the Trump Administration, this lawlessness will continue.
DA Bragg still needs to prosecute Adams and Bondi for bribery and corruption. @chrislhayes.bsky.social
trying to come up with good go-to words. i like kidnapping. extradited isn’t quite right, sounds like el salvador is doing the work. there’s human trafficking but that seems a little too broad? what about forced exile? although that seems more apt for us citizens/perm residents
The man is fraudulently in the Oval Office. Everything he is doing is illegal. IT is time his illegal game show comes to an end. WTFU SCOTUS. you too will be on the chopping block if you don't change your stupid ruling
@mueller Question, do you know of cases where a dual citizen child was "returned", not deported, to a country with their deported parent? I've seen tonnes of such cases over my 27+ year career.
One problem is that there are multiple different things happening. Abrego Garcia and the others sent to CECOT are being renditioned, but the 2 year old citizen and her mother are apparently not in custody, so I don’t know a better word than deported to describe what happened.
Whether a person is a U.S. citizen, resident w/ a green card, or is undocumented, an asylum seeker, or someone who crossed the border for a better life, fact is:
Each is protected under the law;has rights of due process-civil rights and liberties because we are are still United States of America!
I guess the assumption is that the rule of law still applies. Sticking my neck out here but under Trump that boat has sailed. Bondi reminded us of that yesterday. Führer Homan also …
It's long past time for the Dems in Congress to send criminal referrals to DOJ. Bondi would ignore them, of course, but it would be a good paper trail for the criminal trials that are sure to come later. And it would show their constituents that they're actually doing something.
Yes. The 2 year old was not deported. Nor was Kilmer Abrego Garcia, Andry Hernandez Romero, Frengel Reyes Mota, or the over 130 Venezuelan nationals removed to CECOT.
The people in CECOT have effectively been “ sentenced” to an indeterminate period of time, for unconvicted conduct. These are the actions of a failed state.
Another reminder : people swept up in the illegal Palmer Raids were provided due process and won their habeas case with the help of future Supreme Court justice Felix Frankfurter and Professor Zachariah Chaffee, who wrote the incredibly influential book, Freedom of Speech, first published in 1920.
Yes, better words for what the Trump misadministration is doing would include words like: Shanghaiing, waylaying, kidnapping, crimping, abducting, stealing... You get the idea.
Also, query: American citizens cannot be deported, because they are not 'aliens'. Therefore, they are being exiled, correct?
Yet, the U.S. has no actual process for exiling citizens, so how are they exiling citizens?
Former immigration lawyer here. Rendition doesn’t quite fit as no one appears to be claiming these folks were criminals or terrorists or that they were being whisked off to be questioned. I think the closest term would be extrajudicial removal, because they were not given access to any court.
To me “disappeared” doesn’t fit either. The “desaparecidos” in Latin American and Mexican history were/are individuals murdered by their governments or by criminal elements and never found. Here we’re seeing individuals kidnapped by the U.S. government and sent to other countries.
My take is that we should keep focused on tRump’s CONSTANT persecution and beratement, because taking the focus off of that lets him slip away every time. I agree with you; that is not an option!
They are ok with white women dying from sepsis though. Not sure the white thing matters for the Trump crowd. They aren’t saving white women in ERs who need help, just waiting for the fetus to die and then trying to save the white woman. Wonder what the medical bills look like for these women
Desaparecido has been a word in Spanish to describe political abduction and exile/death since at least the 1970s when Pinochet took Chile.
In English: Disappeared.
These people are being disappeared by the Trump regime.
The Disappeared are those who have been taken.
Does anyone know what happened to the women and children who were sent to Panama? They were being held in a hotel for a while. Some were sent to a jail in the Darian gap.
Is Trump still sending people there?
What about Guantanamo Bay? Why did they set up rows and rows of tents?
It's horrifying. CECOT is literally the modern equivalent of Auschwitz. It didn't start as a death camp, the gas chambers and crematoria were added later.
Exactly. I wish people would stop saying these victims were “deported”. They were kidnapped and taken to be imprisoned indefinitely in a random country. It’s human trafficking to concentration camps.
I’ve been deported from a foreign country. So many forms to fill out, translators to book, embassy to visit. You are totally right—it’s a process! Took 6 weeks before they sent me out of country.
There is not much that is more Illegal than sending people to a foreign country, to a torture prison, without even any due process to determine any guilt or innocence or even having been indicted under any proper charges!
The illegal process is kidnapping, trafficking and unlawful imprisonment. All of which BONDI, PATEL AND NOEM have, in concert, solicitated and facilitated. Time for states to start charging their anti- organized crime acts. Shit or get off the pot.
Someone tried to give me a copypasta about how “illegals” should be deported with a list of law codes. I just said “that requires due process which he said he’s too impatient to do”. Waiting for them to get back from the burn ward.
They came back with “do illegals due process when they enter another country”. I said and showed yes - many ways; and people here legally were canceled just to be arrested. The response was a “Biden said you ain’t black”
"illegally deported". seems to describe the action being taken.
Again the horror is we are in this place to begin with, that put this many people with no ethical morals or even a sense of legal in power to get even this far. This is all being done by adults no less. How did we allow this to be?
AND, deported people are returned to their country of origin and freed, not imprisoned in a third country. During the Iraq/Afghanistan war, prisoners that we didn't like were sent to CIA black sites for torture, and it was called "rendition," which is also an incorrect use of a legal term.
Trump's fatal flaw will be the fact due to his ego and narcissism and distorted personality and need for control and fidelity from the ranks he is surrounded by nincompoops.
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Note: Kidnapped, not 'deported.'
DA Bragg still needs to prosecute Adams and Bondi for bribery and corruption. @chrislhayes.bsky.social
These are acts of TERRORISM
Capitol switchboard (202) 224-3121.
Email them through their websites.
Tell them this:
1. Call for impeachment. Loudly. Daily.
2. Visit the concentration camps in El Salvador and demand to see your constituents.
Or don’t ask for money…
(Please repost)
We ARE witnessing the beginning of our children having to state
"The Americans knew and ignored it as well."
@muellershewrote.com
@lawfaremedia.org
I have almost no hope anymore because plugging podcasts is more advantageous than burning down the regime that IS forcing us into complicity.
Read the reports I have produced, then decide if I know what I'm talking about.
Fyi I fully comprehend the horrific actions I am seeing in the CECOT satellite images.
No matter how much anyone says otherwise, this is a site that begins the statement
"The Americans knew too".
Ignore this and we have lost our moment completely.
@muellershewrote.com
@lawfaremedia.org
https://www.substack.com/@roguefox
Each is protected under the law;has rights of due process-civil rights and liberties because we are are still United States of America!
If fascism exists in the United States, is the #GOP a fascist party? One doesn’t exist without the other.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
trafficking kidnapping
They’re exiled
No law in the US applies to exile
@bsky.support please give us an edit choice 🙏🏻🦋
Also, query: American citizens cannot be deported, because they are not 'aliens'. Therefore, they are being exiled, correct?
Yet, the U.S. has no actual process for exiling citizens, so how are they exiling citizens?
I’ve been using abduction and trafficking, but if there are better words I’m open to using them.
Extraordinary rendition isn’t really a dinner table phrase.
Is this a new type of state crime?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Zv8JMXsmI&t=310s
THAT IS NOT AN OPTION.
https://bsky.app/profile/stuffabouthockey.bsky.social/post/3lnptib4vw227
In English: Disappeared.
These people are being disappeared by the Trump regime.
The Disappeared are those who have been taken.
Is Trump still sending people there?
What about Guantanamo Bay? Why did they set up rows and rows of tents?
What he’s done is round up an ethnic group he doesn’t like and put them in a concentration camp.
Full stop
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Calling something by a legal or technical term does not automatically transfer those traits to it, which is what people seem to be wanting to do.
A window is not a porthole, no matter what Marines say.
Again the horror is we are in this place to begin with, that put this many people with no ethical morals or even a sense of legal in power to get even this far. This is all being done by adults no less. How did we allow this to be?
Is it extraordinary rendition?
Forced Repatriation?
Exile?
Denaturalization?
What the F is it??
Language matters!
It's like using "underaged sex workers." HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND CHILD RAPE!!!
SCOTUS put him above the law.
He's lawless.